What WoW needs.. is a main quest with Chromie that ACTUALLY tells you the story and let's you play the most important things from each expansion. Like the battle of Ahn quraj and Onyxia's lair from vanilla. Kaelthas, Vashj and Illidan from TBC etc..
Brilliant idea. Basically create a leveling experience that's a long questline which takes you through key moments of all of the expansions, and then you level up the last 10 levels in the current expansion.
I love that Asmon's initial reaction to hearing the words "I started playing WoW" is basically the same of a League player hearing someone say "I started playing League". Basically the "oof, why would you do that?" even tho they obviously love the game.
@@chrisberg2if by "cheap dota copy" you mean by now pretty different in gameplay (other than they are both MOBA) and Wildly more successful then yeah I mean don't get me wrong I'm not on any side - I played both and stopped playing both but calling every MOBA a dota copy makes about as much sense as calling every FPS a doom-clone
I love finding a LoL comment on here and obviously i feel your point on this. For me though id argue WoW can be a fun entertainment to play Solo whereas LoL forces you into its downright toxic pool of players. (Sure i still play the occasional AI game but lets face it those dont count)
Same, but then I remember all the things that made me quit. A bit sad, really, but at this point I'd need friends in game I could play with and all of mine have quit as well.
I think his take on the game is so positive is because he played the game like an average player would in Vanilla. He wasn’t concerned about min-maxing, just exploring the world and taking things as they come.
I think thats the problem is the game i NOT designed to encourage that currently. It needs to get back to that instead of its current approach. His feedback was perfect in regards to being dropped in mid story and being a hero or champion already.
Can confirm. I resubbed a couple of months ago. After gearing my main (sort of), I've been levelling alts in chromie time expansions I haven't played yet and collecting transmogs. No mythic raids, no keys, no meta. It's been a blast.
I had a similar experience a year or so ago. The most fun I had was leveling and trying really hard to immerse myself into the story. I thought I had 20 years of content to go through, instead I was just dropped mid way through into season 20 of a show and was expected to care about the story. I tried to even check online who the characters were in the cut scenes and read up on them, however eventually I just gave up and started skipping all the dialogue.
yeahhh WoW trained me like a dog to skip through dialogue, and that habit tracked into other games too. i realized I had forgotten to play a game slowly and enjoy the journey and take my time with quests been slowly trying to unlearn that and enjoy other games
Having tried free to play wow recently after not playing for about 10 years, the statement "make a big zone so it feels like a world" is a good one. I remember just exploring back in the day and finding a random house on a hill or something and a named npc easter egg, not related to any quests. That was fun.
Was that because the map was big ? Or because you had just discovered the world, and wanted to see it ? No matter how they do new expansions, wow is still wow in many ways. There are still shit to explore, but there's no sense of wonder because you've seen it a lot already. That's the reason people turn to metagaming, they either enjoy it, or they've seen it all already, and just can't appreciate it anymore.
@@crysosisback7115 I think a big part of that was in classic there was 1 flight point per zone. there was 1 town/central hub per zone (in some case not even that) whit maybe 2-3 other quest giver hubs spread around the whole zone. this meant that you had to travel a lot... by foot. this meant that you could just not jump on your flight mount fly straight up 50 yards into the air (out of archer range) fly in a straight line to where you needed to be fly down in a straight line and do the quest, get back on and then fly back and complain about the world feeling tiny. you needed to open the map, see how do I get from here to there (rivers, lakes, cliffs, mountains, forest, big bad dragon spot and so on) path there do the quest then walk all the way back. another thing was that a lot of classic wow was just full of nothing, there was like a lone NPC that did nothing no quest assigned or part of any quest just a orc out in noware standing by his home eating stew from time to time. there was also the fact that that the world was not full like every squere feet of the world had a mob or a quest or a npc or something. several spot on the world was just tree and nothing for miles okey maybe not miles (no herbs, no mobs, ore or anything).
I'm actually kinda glad this guy had such a good experience, I felt like after awhile the magic of this game was lost playing myself, but to hear other people being able to have great interactions, meeting people/enjoying the map is amazing =]
They should really make a type of quest that just puts you in mini scenario's that are significant in terms of the lore. A sort of best hits of the lore used to catch people up before you get into the BFA or DF leveling.
Maybe that should just be a leveling path unto itself. Go here, see things, watch a few cutscenes, take down old dungeon/raid bosses scaled to a single player/small group encounter with maybe some notable NPC's helping. Then at the end, you're level whatever [current expansion] starts you at, and you go.
I started playing ff14 today and it's really refreshing to explore a new game. The weird part is because I played ff14, I suddenly see how good wow actually is made, we are just spoiled/ bored after 2 decades playing wow
@@RuinXVI I would say where FF14 wins are the more consistent storyline and generally saner playerbase, but in terms of technical quality, texture, especially when you compare ARR zone with Old World in WOW, difference in quality of open world is quite staggering. Though, you can absolutely use whatever texture mod you like in FF14, the extent of modding available in FF14 is miles ahead of WOW mods outside of raiding.
@@RuinXVI i didnt say wow was better than ff14 they are just 2 different well made games :) Love the flashy sparkles in ff14 and the scenery. What I meant was I just noticed in wow everything looks like it has the same consistent aesthetics, even minor things like quest logs.
The way the world feels is what keeps me around apart from M+ and PvP. It somehow feels big and full and vibrant, which is even more impressive given the age of some zones. I love FFXIV's story to death, but it just feels so empty and constrained by comparison. Maybe it's the instancing idk.
I started hearing about classic hardcore, truthfully i stopped playing 15 years ago.. But hearing people talking again about the game and seeing some videos on UA-cam it has sparked memories that i thought have been forgotten in time. Now im thinking of starting again. Thank you for your video, and the dude who did the review. I shall rise from the ashes and bright forth Honour!
Being able to jump on a boat to cross the sea seemed like some technological breakthrough. Or was that Everquest. Can't even remember (haven't played in 20 years).
For me it was long days in Westfall. I couldn't afford the game as a kid then and my parents didn't approve of video games at all, so couldn't tell them I was playing it. I kept playing the 2 week demo over and over again, chilling in Westfall, exploring all the low level areas and starts of every race.
@@IDFArmor i'll never forget when i entered shadowfang keep for the first time.. after the NPC unlocks the door to the yard, and an epic soundtrack starts playing. I don't know why it is stuck with me.. but it's never going away..
I was like 10 and I still remember entering that magical world and really feeling that game. I think a large part of why I liked it so much was just my age at the time.
I think if they condense the story and let you play out the entire story of the game by doing world quests for each xpac as part of the leveling experience it would make leveling more engaging and not feel like you miss out on things.
I love this video!! I played for about a year back in 2017-2018. I just came back to Classic at the end of May and started played WoW a few days ago. The game is so different now. I feel like a brand new player again. It's fun to see another new player's perspective. :)
I've also just started playing a few months ago. I've enjoyed the story look of the zones, progressing and collecting cool pieces of gear but I've learned to just not ask questions during dungeons. I would either get no response or someone mad at me. I have not played any of the dragonflight raids for this reason. I feel I need to study and watch guides but then that spoils the raid for me. I'm lucky top have a friend irl to ask questions to.
That's just all MMO raiding now beyond a certain level. At least WoW has a braindead level of raid (lfg/normal) that you can usually do with no prior knowledge, just for the story. Personally I do every new raid at that level, and then just mostly do PvP and M+ unless I need a specific piece of gear. The reason why I could never get into Destiny raiding was because there was only the hard tier and the sweatlord tier, and no basic tier for people who just wanted the story and then move on to other content.
Here's my hot take on WoW skill trees I think it's definitely an improvement over the old talent system, and in a way a sort of return to form of the old-old talent system, but improved in some ways. I like the separate spec and general trees. With the old-old talent system there was always a concern about specing into other trees because you might be missing out on important stuff in your main tree. Now that's no longer a concern. And you even have the opportunity to get access to abilities from other specs that you couldn't in the old system (but not the vanilla system where you basically just had everything). But what I don't like about it is they seem to have used this as an excuse to even further gut the base classes and put abilities they once just had behind talents instead. So, it's illusion of choice because those talents in particular aren't actually a choice. I also think the old-old talent system worked because it gave you a sense of steady progression alongside the more sporadic progression of learning more abilities as you leveled. Retail is lacking that almost completely. The new talent system would be a lot better if it actually had the proper systems to support it, but it doesn't.
I disagree, I think it's a good thing many abilities are no longer baseline. You had millions of buttons, no room to even hold them all, most of them were extremely situational, like think of shamans and warlocks, that shit was crazy. I just started playing Cataclysm on a private server, things look so much more streamlines on the surface but somehow it feels worse. You feel way too powerful from the start, it's meaningless, you get all these abilities really early and it doesn't feel exciting. I remember Wrath and everything before where it was like OMG can't wait for level 40 to unlock mail/plate or Stormstrike, things like that. Maybe that's different for new players, I don't know, but I definitely think Vanilla and Cataclysm already were extreme opposites, both with massive flaws, Vanilla being too slow and grindy, and Cata being too watered down. Also some class identities being lost is definitely a minus, even though Cata was much more balanced. I think if the game wants to have a healthy future, it needs to find ways to shake off the idea of having a meta and having to pick some classes, specs, or specific talents. Overall you're mostly right.
@ararune3734 Specs were already anemic as they were and new talents just made the base class feel even more anemic and required talents just to get baseline abilities you SHOULD have because you NEED them to play your class. That's what I mean when I say illusion of choice. Those should not be talents, you should just have them. It seems like that was just to pad the trees out. Imo, a spec should feel "complete" without talents, and talents should feel like you're adding on top.
I'm currently a week into playing WoW . I played briefly many years ago but never had all the expansions or anything. There's so much to do the game trying to play Retail WoW as a new player in 2023
I started playing for basically the first time 2 months ago. Trying to understand the story and progressing through everything while also enjoying PVP has been fun! Although I must say, it's been fun just thanks to playing a tanky class and therefore not getting one-shot everywhere lol
For leveling it depends. When you still had to go through booty Bay then stranglethorn was the best because it is the first area you are exposed to pvp while lvling.
See this was and is similar to my experience coming back to WoW. I quit at the end of Wraith. I came back at the beginning of Shadowlands. Somehow my old toons were still alive. Its been awhile now that ive been back, Dragonflight is alot of fun. But with 10 years worth of old content ive missed out on i don't ever find myself bored.
I JUST STARTED PLAYING NOW AS WELL! I'm 100% loving it. It made me do a 24hour long session playing the game non-stop, only for food. It's CRAZY. Oh and btw as for now, i don't really care about raids or m+, i guess that time will come later. Im just enjoying all the pve content and I plan on playing every sinlgle expansion. Dragonflihght for me is the best part of the game and one of the best mmorpgs experiences i've had.
The "Goal" of the game is to pay a monthly subscription to have at least 15 max characters that you alternate through weekly to farm mounts with. THE END!
@@bobross9127 I wish there was a cheaper option for just 1 version only. As someone who has barely played WoW (friends all played Runescape back when I started in 04 so that was/is my MMO), I've been interested in Classic but yeah the price put me off.
But you can, its just not linear. If you want to do all quests in the game its almost available to you. Anyway if you want the story Id just re-play classic, tbcc and wotlkc imo.
This is how most people view the game when they start. All the "I went back and leveled up without heirlooms", or I returned from not playing for 10 years is not the same as first time playing videos I can't take seriously. Their opinions are tainted. A lot of people quit because they are angry at Blizzard or angry at life, or connect WoW to a negative time in their life which is understandable, so when they come back those old feelings don't just go away. As some one who does the "guide" thing, and some one who has gotten new players to try the game, most recently my young son (6). People generally enjoy the game very much. My kid's eyes lit up as we progressed the redridge storyline. He was so excited to do the treasure map questline in Westfall (although it's on the map now I just told him no opening his map).
I no longer play wow (haven't for many years) but the new skill trees have been the only thing that made me consider get the latest expansion. I didn't for many other reasons but I did have fun planning some imaginary builds in wowhead.
As someone who hasnt played since Cata when my guild fell apart this video was really refreshing, really been devating the past couple years on getting back into it all.
As someone who has just started playing wow within the last month. Everything he just said is pretty much how I feel about the game right now. It’s loads of fun, I personally don’t play on an RP server but I found friends to show me the ropes. But people I meet in game have also been extremely friendly and willing to help give tips or give advice on addons etc
My favourite zone ever was Suramar in Legion. I loved to just explore and look at the scenery, hear the music, get lost in that world. I miss it sometimes.
The good thing in wow is that you can do whatever you want to do. I really enjoy minmaxing and doing higher raids and m+. Friend of mine ONLY plays arena, others farm transmog and do old content to read all the quests, another one wants to gather every item and do all the achievements, i know people that just play to roleplay. There is just so much to do so everyone can find something that brings them back
I agree about the hero thing. In early WOW you feel small in a huge world full of monsters. Then you start wielding unique artifacts and being the hero of the world, that's a thing I really don't like.
I started in mid september, my experience is very similar to this guy so far. I'm just exploring, following the main quests and learning how my class works. I started as a Fury Warrior and it was really fun, but I decided to give a try to Aug Evoker, and man, I'm having a blast with it, even more than the warrior. Tried a few dungeons, but not so many. Learning how to play in the endgame content is a but overwhelming to me, since there are LOTS of things to understand, as I'm kinda "new" to this genre. And I say "new" cause I tried some MMO's before, and played a decent amount of time, but never *really* got into them. So... I'm patient enough, I think I will enjoy WoW long term
WoD is #1 leveling experience because the zones were peak design. Zones made with fact you can't fly meant great zone designs that were fun to quest in.
I feel actual heartbreak for people who are just now playing WoW for the first time . . . It’s not even the same game at all . He’s totally right . . . It’s like watching a movie but now it’s 8 movies deep and you can’t rewatch the first ones . It’s just not the same .
@@N3mdraz Yes and also update old world through expansions and patches. The new quest line for Winterspring is a great example. Taking players to older zones and updating the lore through these zones would add so much more to the game. Wish they would of done it more with Legion. Sooo many zones in Azeroth and Outland that were just ridden with the Legion.
My friend who just started WoW for the first time ever is playing Wrath Classic and is having a blast. I help him out here and there but he's also met a handful of super nice people who have taught him things, helped him with quests and dungeons, and so on.
I switched from Frostmane to Wyrmrest Accord back in MoP and it was the best decision. Even though I don't RP myself, it was so interesting walking through cities or even small towns and seeing people RP while you pass by, it makes the world feel alive.
Wow classic was that reset you were talking about in the end. Everyone started from the beginning again. Some people will 100% quit wow if you force them to start over, not everybody wants to go all the way back to the beginning after putting in a lifetime in the game.
Imagine if they released a story mode leveling experience next expansion where you are mostly watching cinematics. The players would participate in single-player versions of major dungeons and raids that are used to teach and challenge new players with progressively more complicated tasks based on the class and role they selected. All narrated by Bwonsamdi!
@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo Yeah, i mean , there are no stories in wow at all. There are just "evil guys who want destroy azeroth because they are evil". Only in shadowlands arthas got his motivation to make war with horde and alliance. Back in wotlk he was just like "oh damn i'm so evil i will kill you".
Baldman saying the lore matters was the funniest thing in the video the lore stopped mattering as soon as blizzard shat out tbc with its ridiculous retcons
I think the big zones could have smaller hubs scattered about like the barrens or ahsenvale. With conflict points to keep people and pvp going, such as materials that only spawn there or rares, and just different factions camps close by.
The skill trees are indeed the best skill system we have seen sofar. I think it was WoD or MoP that introduced the "per 15 level select one skill of one row uniquely" that was so besides any point
this videos always make me nostalgic and want to come back. Whenever I come back to game, it's fun for a month or two then I just lose interest. I think if I found a stable guild to play with, I would stick around longer. Community makes the game fun. I play OSRS now because I have friends who do as well.
Same here. New zones are fun for a few months but I just can't grind rep anymore. Even with dragonflight, arguably one of the best implementations of rep with great rewards. Played for a few months and unsubbed. Raiding would be fun if I could find a raid team worth a damn that didn't break-up after the first tier. Definitely got my money's worth but not into grinding one game for years anymore.
I was a new player in WoW as of december of last year. My new player experience was "dude my prot warrior is doing more damage than your fury warrior."-kicked, and "you dont know every mechanic of every dungeon?"-kicked, and "you dont know what 'x' spell does?"-kicked. Took me a month to level through old content and learn most of the things i needed to know to be a functioning raid member in DF. Spent a lot of that time going through old raids for Mogs. Got up to 389ilvl and then just quit because theres no hope for new players without a dedicated group trying to get into mid-high tier raiding. "Know it and be perfect or get out". Had a whole month of hardcore no-sleep fun, and then just nothing.
The PvP in WoW has just always been top tier. There simply isn’t another game that scratches the itch like WoW. I got good during Legion, quit during BFA and came back for Dragonflight after seeing the reviews. I love the addition of solo shuffle and rated BG’s with my guild have been a blast. The convoluted aspects of the PvE and limitless arbitrary items and systems are just too much for me to learn this xpac, but that’s okay since I can devote 100% of my attention to PvP and I won’t fall behind.
Also re: leveling experience - agree. Dragonflight is the only expansion that I was able to do every new zone before reaching the new level cap. For reference in TBC most people I knew including myself were max level before hitting Nagrand. It felt weird.
I also started playing Retail in 2023 (I played MoP and WotLK private in 2021/22). I was a Tibia player. We had a similar experience! What bothers me most is the fact that the game's lore is not introduced to me. Who are the titans? Who are the Old gods? Who did I save to be who I am? What are my achievements? But it's definitely not a bad experience, especially for those who don't have as much time to play anymore. Today I enter the game, do 2 or 3 m+, do a Raid... Not to mention that I felt very welcome by the Brazilian community (I'm Brazilian). I said I was new at the beginning of DG, people helped and guided me. It wasn't a bad experience by far... obviously we have bad people, but not all of them. I can't discourage people from starting to play WoW in 2023
As a long time druid now alt-a-holoic - the flight from moonglade to TB was honestly the most relaxing shit. people would hate for always being on this flight path when id join group. but it was so chill. edit: it didnt dawn on me until the very end that this guy actually had a very interactive experience in WoW...during a time of LFG when everyone says the game is the least sociable....its still alive and well!
This guy got the experience of WoW we all did, when we first played. Everything was wondrous and exciting so many things to do not even close to enough time in a day. Soak it in and enjoy it, you'll never be able to obtain it ever again.
This is true. I love retail but I vastly more enjoyed the classic leveling experience (better in wrath when it’s a bit easier) my issue is at max level the game is boring af. But that’s when I got back to retail. But I still go back and level in classic for fun
@@erichall090909 i'm not a huge fan of the quest hub format in wrath. Seems like you get 2 quests at a time and keep having to return to the same locations over and over instead of just giving you a bunch of quests at once. Chains are cool and everything but it seems like every quest hub is built the same way in wrath it gets a little monotonous
@@seph_f I agree. Northrend is boring as hell. I never liked the zones, im not a tbc zone fan either but its way more interesting. Tho it might be the reason that i have played almost 10 years on wotlk private server :P
“If the button glowed, I pressed the button” Same or I can only comprehend so many commands while in battle. Never played WoW but other MMOs have taught me It’s not quite my thing.
I've played every version of WoW since 2006, and I still know 0% of the story All of the lore complaints over the years have gone right over my head lol
@@MrBasforce Oh okay! I was 99% sure WoW had a flying mechanic first, but this wasn't the first time I had heard WoW had copied flying from GW2. So I was confused. Thank you for explaining! =)
Man I was a HS freshman when wow came oud and i was the "fat kid" who got laughed at a lot but then I would get home, I'd log in and a dozen people would immediately say things like glad you're back! And hey those bombs you made were great yesterday, ect..I was the guild engineer and loved to collect stuff so I always had a bank full of ore and I've smelt and give free to the guild smiths. I needed that connection then and wow was the only place I felt wanted. I miss you guys. Cheers to the HellRazers on dunemaul server circa 2004-2006
oh my god man when i was 10 years old playing a tauren druid for the first time ever in mulgore for the first time being a big cat hunting large birds and other cats and stuff man that shit was amazing
As a Runescape player with all content available all the time wow system of expansions that are basically there own individual game that year like a cod franchise game turns me off completely but each to there own
9:00 i dont agree of starting at classic if you are not used to classic youll hate it, classic is really a bad game for today and hard to enjoy if you are not already into classic
Honestly feels kind of bad that the lore is garbage for new players. Would be cool if you're sent to a historian for a quick tldr cinematic of all the feats and pitfalls of the expansions (with xp rewards). Being called hero after 1 hour of tutorial island would make me quit rather quick.
I think Blizz is scared of losing their hardcore whales, but imagine how easy they could just retail the story from TBC/WOtlk and so on, just different. Like just start from Warcraft 3 again but different, hell they could put the entire thing on it's head and say alliance and horde work together.
@@notaskaven964 Yeah but what if they actually honestly redcone everything and start at 0 from Warcraft 3s end. Clearly Shadowlands has shown they not afraid to go back on everything that has come before
Tbh I really like that suggestion. Kinda like a "we write a new sequel" type and I'm not even saying that because the story they came up with in recent years sucks.
@@notaskaven964 Honestly, I think it's time to lose the old content. I think the game itself has become a bit of a bloated mess. I mean, if you compare the size of the game itself, it's about 100 gb now I think, in classic it used to be about 8gb. How many players would actually need to travel to every single zone in the previous expansions? It's just content sitting there and never being accessed by the majority of players.
4:40 "Saving the Princess" was a BFA xpac-intro quest for the Horde (Blizz probably removed it?). Basically, you're sent into Stormwind to "rescue a captured representative from Zuldazar". Spoilers, it's Talanji. Escaping Stormwind with Talanji, you then get that Cutscene of her parting the fog with the Alliance fleet getting absolutely bombed.
I feel like what made classic WoW so good to me was after playing Warcraft 3 and feeling like I was a continuation of that story especially when leveling in lordaeron or kalimdor
As a guy who's played since the very beginning, release day. And have spent majority of that time on RP servers, I can say I enjoyed my time there more than other servers.
When I first got into WoW around MOP, the guild I joined that recruited me was super nice. Super helpful and friendly. Teaching my little snot nosed pre teen ass everything they knew.
Roox is awesome. His playthrough is an actual well documented and realistic one on how new players experience WoW - it's completely opposite of what the gaslighting doomers will want you to believe.
thank fuck you came back in DF bro. you wouldnt have 3 60s in shadowlands lmao. it was way more grindy and way less alt friendly than DF. DF is better in just about every way.
I was so hyped when they redesigned the talent trees. I feel like this should've been done ages ago. I've longed for the vanilla style talent system and I feel like this is a beautiful blend between traditional and modern styles.
I will confirm as someone who has played the game primarily on "regular" servers I have always had more fun on RP servers, it's just really hard to raid on them, or it was in my experience with the odd hours I've worked most of my life.
this video resonated with me... I used to play wc3 and the first few expansions, but everytime I consider getting back into wow, I see a ton of expansions whose lore I'm not familiar with. That alone makes me not want to play the newest expansion, since I don't know how the characters that I became familiar with developed... And that's ignoring all the stuff that pisses me off, like how they treated arthas in shadowlands.
6:18, that's one thing I really don't like about a lot of games. They don't feel like "real" worlds. More like some sort of amusement park. Every inch of the map is set up for a certain activity, no exploration and finding out interesting things yourself.
If you notice when tryed the game he bought the dragonflight collectors edition u can tell here 5:45 by the mount. So he was making sure we was going to commit to trying the game.
Hi, Belgian here, so WoW came out in 2005 for me. I first met the game when one of my childhood friend (we were 15 at the time, born in 1990) with whom I practiced kung fu said one day "let's skip kung fu today, you should come home to try the game I told you about (we were playing Diablo 2 for some years and he told me about the next Blizz game and that he would create an account and join a guild composed of members of our Daiblo 2 friends). So we went to his home and we logged into the World of Warcraft on his account (he had a lvl 40+ undead mage, it was 2 months after the EU launch) and he told me to create a char on his account that I could play when he wasn't logged in. I created a tauren druid and leveled up to level 5 in an hour and a half... and I fell in love with WoW. Why do I tell you my story ? Because it's the same story than the one rooxwastaken told us in this video. It's simply a story about exploration, discovery, playing with friends, making friends along the way. That's what made WoW and that's why it won't ever be the same game as we known in its beginnings. I've stopped playing official WoW since the middle of MOP because I couldn't find the enjoyment I had in 2005 and despite all the new content and features I wasn't able to immerse myself in it the same way I did in the first years. I had kept playing WoW as a casual since the end of WotLK with long time IRL and in game friends and I think it was the only thing that really kept me enthralled by the game. The social aspect of it was, for most of the players, the part that gave us a reason to log in after a long day of school/college/work/whatever and enjoy some time with people who resonated with us. My conclusion: to all of you, long time players, if you still enjoy the game for its intrinsic value, good for you, for the others stop waiting for the day WoW will be the same it was in 2004-2005 to 2008-2009 because you'll forever be disappointed. WoW won't ever be the same. It's a very good game for new players or for high level ones and some others but you won't ever find the initial bliss of playing it. Before I get any comment: yes, I still play WoW on private servers but very casually since I'm now married, have two kids and work a 9-5 job. I don't know if I'll ever stop because I play it as a kind of therapy (many months without playing then playing it 3 hours/day when I feel blue). I hesitate to try retail when the next expansion comes because some IRL friends have started playing again since Dragonflight launched but I'm not sure about it. My last words will be: As long as you truly enjoy it, keep playing, we all need a form of escapism in life and if WoW is the form that escapism has taken then play it. However, never forget that it's easier to get lost in a world where you have control over everything than it is to keep your feet on the ground in real life which is the hardest "game" you'll ever play. Matt
I’d kill to get back into WOW, but I have zero direction on how to play each expansion from start to finish. Me being a story guy, it’s very important to me personally.
I am in no way hoping for a reboot as I have just come from the Chinese wow server that went down the drain a couple months ago. I've had my fair share of 'starting over' here and have no intention of doing it all over again.
Honestly this was really nice to see. I hear about so many players that are assholes to someone being new to the game. Its nice to know theirs other people out there trying to help them rather then scaring them away~
When he said, the majority of people are really nice and try to help you and stuff I was questioning my whole WoW experience. Been playing back in Classic, Burning Crusade and quit in WotLk before the Lichking raid even came out and started playing again like 4 months ago. Sometimes there are nice people but you have to be really lucky to find them, whereas you find douchebags pretty frequently. Searching for a group or a raid in WoW feels like you are applying for a job after graduating and they expect you to have 10 years of experience in that field. I remember wanting to do Raszageth in Raidfinder difficulty and after wiping once people were like "How?! This raid is literally x months old and people still die here?!" A lot of people seem to think that everyone plays WoW since 2004 and they should know every mechanic in the book by heart. I'm grateful for every person who helps newbies and is actually giving people time to learn the mechanics of raids and dungeons, you are the real heroes WoW desperately needs. ❤
Well, Lich King was 14 years ago. I think the playerbase and the gaming community in general has improved to a point where most people are just trying to have a good time. Current retail is also very casual oriented, you don't need 50 different buffs, 80 potions and 3 trillion enchants to actually be able to kill a mob like in classic, so people are a lot more forgiving.
@@Boppy00 Seems like you understood me wrong. What I was saying was that, now after I started playing again with Dragonflight I feel like the community is way too harsh on new people. There's barely any beginner friendly raids and even if you go into Aberrus via Raidfinder, for example, they expect you to know everything, even tho the Raidfinder is kinda there to take a look at the raid. And I see it in M+ aswell... If you wipe once the tank usually leaves. You are not scared of the monsters inside the dungeon, but of the monsters inside the community. 😅
NO WAY! THANKS FOR WATCHING!!!
Enjoyed your vids btw
congrats on getting reacted by a major content creation
Yea how did you respond so fast? You swooped in like a hawk
I knew this was gonna reach the bald one, congratz
Subscribed, dude. This was really well done and I loved seeing the perspective from a new player :)
What WoW needs.. is a main quest with Chromie that ACTUALLY tells you the story and let's you play the most important things from each expansion.
Like the battle of Ahn quraj and Onyxia's lair from vanilla.
Kaelthas, Vashj and Illidan from TBC etc..
Remove any FOMO through the Bronze Dragonflight and time walking that isn't a temporary, rotating event.
Brilliant idea. Basically create a leveling experience that's a long questline which takes you through key moments of all of the expansions, and then you level up the last 10 levels in the current expansion.
I think one of the worst things they could have done was gate some of the essential parts of the story in raids.
I love that idea!
nice Idea actually. Use Chromie for what she was built for.
I love that Asmon's initial reaction to hearing the words "I started playing WoW" is basically the same of a League player hearing someone say "I started playing League". Basically the "oof, why would you do that?" even tho they obviously love the game.
"obviously love the game" the way an abusive husband loves his wife with his fists
Wait people still waste their time on that cheap dota copy?
@@chrisberg2Doesnt that cheap dota game have like 50x more players?
@@chrisberg2if by "cheap dota copy" you mean by now pretty different in gameplay (other than they are both MOBA) and Wildly more successful then yeah
I mean don't get me wrong I'm not on any side - I played both and stopped playing both but calling every MOBA a dota copy makes about as much sense as calling every FPS a doom-clone
I love finding a LoL comment on here and obviously i feel your point on this. For me though id argue WoW can be a fun entertainment to play Solo whereas LoL forces you into its downright toxic pool of players. (Sure i still play the occasional AI game but lets face it those dont count)
His fresh perspective on the game ALMOST makes me want to play again....almost
I felt this. Listening to him talk made me want to install knowing all my current personal dislikes.
Same
Same, but then I remember all the things that made me quit. A bit sad, really, but at this point I'd need friends in game I could play with and all of mine have quit as well.
Thunder Bluff brought back some nice memories. idk why but just chilling in TB was so satisfying.
Blizzard paying people to influence don't give in
I think his take on the game is so positive is because he played the game like an average player would in Vanilla. He wasn’t concerned about min-maxing, just exploring the world and taking things as they come.
thats what u suposed to do .......................
@@spontansoundrecords3681not supposed to do, but the best case scenario. Bcos if you don't you'll slowly turn into an toxic ego player
@@Hydra3237 wtf are u Talking abt
I think thats the problem is the game i NOT designed to encourage that currently. It needs to get back to that instead of its current approach. His feedback was perfect in regards to being dropped in mid story and being a hero or champion already.
Can confirm. I resubbed a couple of months ago. After gearing my main (sort of), I've been levelling alts in chromie time expansions I haven't played yet and collecting transmogs. No mythic raids, no keys, no meta. It's been a blast.
I had a similar experience a year or so ago. The most fun I had was leveling and trying really hard to immerse myself into the story. I thought I had 20 years of content to go through, instead I was just dropped mid way through into season 20 of a show and was expected to care about the story. I tried to even check online who the characters were in the cut scenes and read up on them, however eventually I just gave up and started skipping all the dialogue.
yeahhh WoW trained me like a dog to skip through dialogue, and that habit tracked into other games too. i realized I had forgotten to play a game slowly and enjoy the journey and take my time with quests
been slowly trying to unlearn that and enjoy other games
Dialogue is xp waste
@@nuqirs ye, that's why i waited to read anything in FF14 til all my classes were lvl 90 and i can just take NG+ at my own pace
@pikupixel5094 just started FF14, so far digging it
end game is the only thing that is important. If you want a story go read a fiction book.
Having tried free to play wow recently after not playing for about 10 years, the statement "make a big zone so it feels like a world" is a good one. I remember just exploring back in the day and finding a random house on a hill or something and a named npc easter egg, not related to any quests. That was fun.
Was that because the map was big ?
Or because you had just discovered the world, and wanted to see it ?
No matter how they do new expansions, wow is still wow in many ways.
There are still shit to explore, but there's no sense of wonder because you've seen it a lot already.
That's the reason people turn to metagaming, they either enjoy it, or they've seen it all already, and just can't appreciate it anymore.
@@crysosisback7115 I think a big part of that was in classic there was 1 flight point per zone.
there was 1 town/central hub per zone (in some case not even that) whit maybe 2-3 other quest giver hubs spread around the whole zone.
this meant that you had to travel a lot... by foot. this meant that you could just not jump on your flight mount fly straight up 50 yards into the air (out of archer range) fly in a straight line to where you needed to be fly down in a straight line and do the quest, get back on and then fly back and complain about the world feeling tiny.
you needed to open the map, see how do I get from here to there (rivers, lakes, cliffs, mountains, forest, big bad dragon spot and so on) path there do the quest then walk all the way back.
another thing was that a lot of classic wow was just full of nothing, there was like a lone NPC that did nothing no quest assigned or part of any quest just a orc out in noware standing by his home eating stew from time to time.
there was also the fact that that the world was not full like every squere feet of the world had a mob or a quest or a npc or something.
several spot on the world was just tree and nothing for miles okey maybe not miles (no herbs, no mobs, ore or anything).
I'm actually kinda glad this guy had such a good experience, I felt like after awhile the magic of this game was lost playing myself, but to hear other people being able to have great interactions, meeting people/enjoying the map is amazing =]
They should really make a type of quest that just puts you in mini scenario's that are significant in terms of the lore. A sort of best hits of the lore used to catch people up before you get into the BFA or DF leveling.
Maybe that should just be a leveling path unto itself. Go here, see things, watch a few cutscenes, take down old dungeon/raid bosses scaled to a single player/small group encounter with maybe some notable NPC's helping. Then at the end, you're level whatever [current expansion] starts you at, and you go.
@@Mordakar Ye man I love that idea. I can't believe they haven't done anything like that.
he wasnt an old WOW player thats why he still finds the game exciting and fun
I started playing ff14 today and it's really refreshing to explore a new game.
The weird part is because I played ff14, I suddenly see how good wow actually is made, we are just spoiled/ bored after 2 decades playing wow
@@N3mdraz Man.. FF14 is made far better than WOW lol
@@RuinXVI I would say where FF14 wins are the more consistent storyline and generally saner playerbase, but in terms of technical quality, texture, especially when you compare ARR zone with Old World in WOW, difference in quality of open world is quite staggering.
Though, you can absolutely use whatever texture mod you like in FF14, the extent of modding available in FF14 is miles ahead of WOW mods outside of raiding.
@@RuinXVI i didnt say wow was better than ff14 they are just 2 different well made games :)
Love the flashy sparkles in ff14 and the scenery. What I meant was I just noticed in wow everything looks like it has the same consistent aesthetics, even minor things like quest logs.
You gotta admit exploring the massive beautiful zones with the magical eclectic wow music is some of the greatest gaming exp u will ever have.
The way the world feels is what keeps me around apart from M+ and PvP. It somehow feels big and full and vibrant, which is even more impressive given the age of some zones. I love FFXIV's story to death, but it just feels so empty and constrained by comparison. Maybe it's the instancing idk.
No the greatest experience is timewalking at timeless isle with a cencer of eternal agony and 4 mates
Fax
Your comment almost made me stop spamming arenas and BGs whole day... almost
rdr2 is boring @@Mr.SkeliBones
I started hearing about classic hardcore, truthfully i stopped playing 15 years ago.. But hearing people talking again about the game and seeing some videos on UA-cam it has sparked memories that i thought have been forgotten in time. Now im thinking of starting again. Thank you for your video, and the dude who did the review. I shall rise from the ashes and bright forth Honour!
this is a pretty wholesome vid. havent seen one on this channel in awhile
I will never forget the feeling when we started in 2004... Never. I'm not a WoW fan, but that was truly magical period.
Being able to jump on a boat to cross the sea seemed like some technological breakthrough. Or was that Everquest. Can't even remember (haven't played in 20 years).
My first gryphon ride from SW to IF is still etched in my memory
For me it was long days in Westfall. I couldn't afford the game as a kid then and my parents didn't approve of video games at all, so couldn't tell them I was playing it. I kept playing the 2 week demo over and over again, chilling in Westfall, exploring all the low level areas and starts of every race.
@@IDFArmor i'll never forget when i entered shadowfang keep for the first time.. after the NPC unlocks the door to the yard, and an epic soundtrack starts playing.
I don't know why it is stuck with me.. but it's never going away..
I was like 10 and I still remember entering that magical world and really feeling that game. I think a large part of why I liked it so much was just my age at the time.
I think if they condense the story and let you play out the entire story of the game by doing world quests for each xpac as part of the leveling experience it would make leveling more engaging and not feel like you miss out on things.
They need to make a new mmo, but they don't want to spend $$$
Man.... this guy is the type of person I'd love to meet in WoW. Genuinely cool person.
I love this video!! I played for about a year back in 2017-2018. I just came back to Classic at the end of May and started played WoW a few days ago. The game is so different now. I feel like a brand new player again. It's fun to see another new player's perspective. :)
I've also just started playing a few months ago. I've enjoyed the story look of the zones, progressing and collecting cool pieces of gear but I've learned to just not ask questions during dungeons. I would either get no response or someone mad at me. I have not played any of the dragonflight raids for this reason. I feel I need to study and watch guides but then that spoils the raid for me. I'm lucky top have a friend irl to ask questions to.
That's just all MMO raiding now beyond a certain level. At least WoW has a braindead level of raid (lfg/normal) that you can usually do with no prior knowledge, just for the story. Personally I do every new raid at that level, and then just mostly do PvP and M+ unless I need a specific piece of gear. The reason why I could never get into Destiny raiding was because there was only the hard tier and the sweatlord tier, and no basic tier for people who just wanted the story and then move on to other content.
Here's my hot take on WoW skill trees
I think it's definitely an improvement over the old talent system, and in a way a sort of return to form of the old-old talent system, but improved in some ways. I like the separate spec and general trees. With the old-old talent system there was always a concern about specing into other trees because you might be missing out on important stuff in your main tree. Now that's no longer a concern. And you even have the opportunity to get access to abilities from other specs that you couldn't in the old system (but not the vanilla system where you basically just had everything).
But what I don't like about it is they seem to have used this as an excuse to even further gut the base classes and put abilities they once just had behind talents instead. So, it's illusion of choice because those talents in particular aren't actually a choice. I also think the old-old talent system worked because it gave you a sense of steady progression alongside the more sporadic progression of learning more abilities as you leveled. Retail is lacking that almost completely.
The new talent system would be a lot better if it actually had the proper systems to support it, but it doesn't.
I disagree, I think it's a good thing many abilities are no longer baseline. You had millions of buttons, no room to even hold them all, most of them were extremely situational, like think of shamans and warlocks, that shit was crazy.
I just started playing Cataclysm on a private server, things look so much more streamlines on the surface but somehow it feels worse. You feel way too powerful from the start, it's meaningless, you get all these abilities really early and it doesn't feel exciting. I remember Wrath and everything before where it was like OMG can't wait for level 40 to unlock mail/plate or Stormstrike, things like that. Maybe that's different for new players, I don't know, but I definitely think Vanilla and Cataclysm already were extreme opposites, both with massive flaws, Vanilla being too slow and grindy, and Cata being too watered down.
Also some class identities being lost is definitely a minus, even though Cata was much more balanced. I think if the game wants to have a healthy future, it needs to find ways to shake off the idea of having a meta and having to pick some classes, specs, or specific talents.
Overall you're mostly right.
@ararune3734 Specs were already anemic as they were and new talents just made the base class feel even more anemic and required talents just to get baseline abilities you SHOULD have because you NEED them to play your class. That's what I mean when I say illusion of choice. Those should not be talents, you should just have them. It seems like that was just to pad the trees out.
Imo, a spec should feel "complete" without talents, and talents should feel like you're adding on top.
I'm currently a week into playing WoW . I played briefly many years ago but never had all the expansions or anything. There's so much to do the game trying to play Retail WoW as a new player in 2023
Hey I started very recently too maybe 2 or 3 weeks now, are you na or eu? I’m looking for eu people to play with
@@wolfieenightcore6701 I am in EU myself!
what servers do you guys play on im on eu too
well, count me in EU new player as well
I started playing for basically the first time 2 months ago. Trying to understand the story and progressing through everything while also enjoying PVP has been fun! Although I must say, it's been fun just thanks to playing a tanky class and therefore not getting one-shot everywhere lol
Omg I have been watching Roox since ep one and Asmongold finally sees him! Congratulations Roox!!!
Same brudda.
@@SlaujPog
That's dope! I just subbed to him.
Thanks dude :)
@@rooxwastakenya :D love your @ btw
Wasn’t expecting you react to this. I’ve been following this guy almost since his first video. I love his video and comedy style.
15 years on, and I rejoin the game now and again thinking I'll recreate some of those original feelings of wonder. I never do.
Ofc not, its like buying the old toys you played with when you where 3-4 years old and try to find same nostalgic moments :D
You’re searching for a moment in time which you can’t get again. It’s not WoW you miss.
For leveling it depends.
When you still had to go through booty Bay then stranglethorn was the best because it is the first area you are exposed to pvp while lvling.
See this was and is similar to my experience coming back to WoW. I quit at the end of Wraith. I came back at the beginning of Shadowlands. Somehow my old toons were still alive. Its been awhile now that ive been back, Dragonflight is alot of fun. But with 10 years worth of old content ive missed out on i don't ever find myself bored.
>toons
I JUST STARTED PLAYING NOW AS WELL! I'm 100% loving it. It made me do a 24hour long session playing the game non-stop, only for food. It's CRAZY. Oh and btw as for now, i don't really care about raids or m+, i guess that time will come later. Im just enjoying all the pve content and I plan on playing every sinlgle expansion. Dragonflihght for me is the best part of the game and one of the best mmorpgs experiences i've had.
The folks want an update
Smart, avoid reading up guides or meta as long as you can, it only ruins the fun of the game.
The "Goal" of the game is to pay a monthly subscription to have at least 15 max characters that you alternate through weekly to farm mounts with. THE END!
@@bobross9127 I wish there was a cheaper option for just 1 version only. As someone who has barely played WoW (friends all played Runescape back when I started in 04 so that was/is my MMO), I've been interested in Classic but yeah the price put me off.
not being able to play the whole story is a deal breaker for me.
But you can, its just not linear. If you want to do all quests in the game its almost available to you. Anyway if you want the story Id just re-play classic, tbcc and wotlkc imo.
@@DjuntasI know you can but it's empty in those areas now and you get to a point where you burn through all the enemies.
This is me i started playing 6 months ago now I’m clearing mythic ATSC with my guild ! Such a great experience
They need to find a way of incorporating the old zones into the levelling process again without hand picking which zones to go to
This is how most people view the game when they start. All the "I went back and leveled up without heirlooms", or I returned from not playing for 10 years is not the same as first time playing videos I can't take seriously. Their opinions are tainted. A lot of people quit because they are angry at Blizzard or angry at life, or connect WoW to a negative time in their life which is understandable, so when they come back those old feelings don't just go away. As some one who does the "guide" thing, and some one who has gotten new players to try the game, most recently my young son (6). People generally enjoy the game very much. My kid's eyes lit up as we progressed the redridge storyline. He was so excited to do the treasure map questline in Westfall (although it's on the map now I just told him no opening his map).
Stopped playing WOW a few months ago got to level 60 and got extremely bored
@@leinonibishop9480go away Bobby
@@leinonibishop9480 yeah I know 😭 I just got bored not sure why I spent like 2 weeks straight just to get 60 probably just felt burnt out tbh
I no longer play wow (haven't for many years) but the new skill trees have been the only thing that made me consider get the latest expansion. I didn't for many other reasons but I did have fun planning some imaginary builds in wowhead.
As someone who hasnt played since Cata when my guild fell apart this video was really refreshing, really been devating the past couple years on getting back into it all.
Dragon flight is a solid expansion, I haven’t had any complaints except for the last patch but that’s just nitpicking
As someone who has just started playing wow within the last month. Everything he just said is pretty much how I feel about the game right now. It’s loads of fun, I personally don’t play on an RP server but I found friends to show me the ropes. But people I meet in game have also been extremely friendly and willing to help give tips or give advice on addons etc
From someone who was one of the best hunters in the world in 06-08 Let us know how you feel in 4years?
My favourite zone ever was Suramar in Legion. I loved to just explore and look at the scenery, hear the music, get lost in that world. I miss it sometimes.
I started in late Shadowlands and came back this season. Cleared Aberrus Normal, I've done some M+ and I'm having a good time.
The good thing in wow is that you can do whatever you want to do. I really enjoy minmaxing and doing higher raids and m+. Friend of mine ONLY plays arena, others farm transmog and do old content to read all the quests, another one wants to gather every item and do all the achievements, i know people that just play to roleplay.
There is just so much to do so everyone can find something that brings them back
I agree about the hero thing. In early WOW you feel small in a huge world full of monsters. Then you start wielding unique artifacts and being the hero of the world, that's a thing I really don't like.
I started in mid september, my experience is very similar to this guy so far.
I'm just exploring, following the main quests and learning how my class works.
I started as a Fury Warrior and it was really fun, but I decided to give a try to Aug Evoker, and man, I'm having a blast with it, even more than the warrior.
Tried a few dungeons, but not so many. Learning how to play in the endgame content is a but overwhelming to me, since there are LOTS of things to understand, as I'm kinda "new" to this genre. And I say "new" cause I tried some MMO's before, and played a decent amount of time, but never *really* got into them.
So... I'm patient enough, I think I will enjoy WoW long term
WoD is #1 leveling experience because the zones were peak design. Zones made with fact you can't fly meant great zone designs that were fun to quest in.
Dont forget the music. Frostfire ridge had some of the best sounds my ears had the pleasure of hearing in WoW.
The best zone music for me was on azuremyst isle.
But I rarely leveled there.
Classic is #1 leveling experience
No it's #1 because you can level the entire range through just bonus objectives and treasures.
I feel actual heartbreak for people who are just now playing WoW for the first time . . . It’s not even the same game at all . He’s totally right . . . It’s like watching a movie but now it’s 8 movies deep and you can’t rewatch the first ones . It’s just not the same .
Yeah because that's a reason to be heartbroken. 😂😂😂
5:59 exactly! I miss huge open zones.. Also with flying you lose the feeling of the grandeur of the zone sadly.
Yeah they should stop making small islands "as new expansion zones". Just attach new zones to the old world
@@N3mdraz Yes and also update old world through expansions and patches. The new quest line for Winterspring is a great example. Taking players to older zones and updating the lore through these zones would add so much more to the game. Wish they would of done it more with Legion. Sooo many zones in Azeroth and Outland that were just ridden with the Legion.
@@arrianagreen6473 yeah agreed, old zonde should have also relevancy for highest evel players.
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My friend who just started WoW for the first time ever is playing Wrath Classic and is having a blast. I help him out here and there but he's also met a handful of super nice people who have taught him things, helped him with quests and dungeons, and so on.
I switched from Frostmane to Wyrmrest Accord back in MoP and it was the best decision. Even though I don't RP myself, it was so interesting walking through cities or even small towns and seeing people RP while you pass by, it makes the world feel alive.
I Also played on Wyrmrest accord... lots of friendly people around
Wow classic was that reset you were talking about in the end. Everyone started from the beginning again. Some people will 100% quit wow if you force them to start over, not everybody wants to go all the way back to the beginning after putting in a lifetime in the game.
Imagine if they released a story mode leveling experience next expansion where you are mostly watching cinematics. The players would participate in single-player versions of major dungeons and raids that are used to teach and challenge new players with progressively more complicated tasks based on the class and role they selected. All narrated by Bwonsamdi!
No
@@DeadManWalking-ym1oo Yeah, i mean , there are no stories in wow at all. There are just "evil guys who want destroy azeroth because they are evil". Only in shadowlands arthas got his motivation to make war with horde and alliance. Back in wotlk he was just like "oh damn i'm so evil i will kill you".
Baldman saying the lore matters was the funniest thing in the video
the lore stopped mattering as soon as blizzard shat out tbc with its ridiculous retcons
I think the big zones could have smaller hubs scattered about like the barrens or ahsenvale. With conflict points to keep people and pvp going, such as materials that only spawn there or rares, and just different factions camps close by.
The skill trees are indeed the best skill system we have seen sofar. I think it was WoD or MoP that introduced the "per 15 level select one skill of one row uniquely" that was so besides any point
this videos always make me nostalgic and want to come back. Whenever I come back to game, it's fun for a month or two then I just lose interest. I think if I found a stable guild to play with, I would stick around longer. Community makes the game fun. I play OSRS now because I have friends who do as well.
for me, the fun doesnt even last a week, and i regret coming back every time.
Same here. New zones are fun for a few months but I just can't grind rep anymore. Even with dragonflight, arguably one of the best implementations of rep with great rewards. Played for a few months and unsubbed. Raiding would be fun if I could find a raid team worth a damn that didn't break-up after the first tier. Definitely got my money's worth but not into grinding one game for years anymore.
I was a new player in WoW as of december of last year. My new player experience was "dude my prot warrior is doing more damage than your fury warrior."-kicked, and "you dont know every mechanic of every dungeon?"-kicked, and "you dont know what 'x' spell does?"-kicked. Took me a month to level through old content and learn most of the things i needed to know to be a functioning raid member in DF. Spent a lot of that time going through old raids for Mogs. Got up to 389ilvl and then just quit because theres no hope for new players without a dedicated group trying to get into mid-high tier raiding. "Know it and be perfect or get out". Had a whole month of hardcore no-sleep fun, and then just nothing.
The PvP in WoW has just always been top tier. There simply isn’t another game that scratches the itch like WoW. I got good during Legion, quit during BFA and came back for Dragonflight after seeing the reviews. I love the addition of solo shuffle and rated BG’s with my guild have been a blast. The convoluted aspects of the PvE and limitless arbitrary items and systems are just too much for me to learn this xpac, but that’s okay since I can devote 100% of my attention to PvP and I won’t fall behind.
Markus the Casual is also documenting his new player experience and it's been really cool to see
Also re: leveling experience - agree. Dragonflight is the only expansion that I was able to do every new zone before reaching the new level cap.
For reference in TBC most people I knew including myself were max level before hitting Nagrand. It felt weird.
I also started playing Retail in 2023 (I played MoP and WotLK private in 2021/22). I was a Tibia player.
We had a similar experience! What bothers me most is the fact that the game's lore is not introduced to me. Who are the titans? Who are the Old gods? Who did I save to be who I am? What are my achievements?
But it's definitely not a bad experience, especially for those who don't have as much time to play anymore. Today I enter the game, do 2 or 3 m+, do a Raid...
Not to mention that I felt very welcome by the Brazilian community (I'm Brazilian). I said I was new at the beginning of DG, people helped and guided me. It wasn't a bad experience by far... obviously we have bad people, but not all of them.
I can't discourage people from starting to play WoW in 2023
As a long time druid now alt-a-holoic - the flight from moonglade to TB was honestly the most relaxing shit. people would hate for always being on this flight path when id join group. but it was so chill.
edit: it didnt dawn on me until the very end that this guy actually had a very interactive experience in WoW...during a time of LFG when everyone says the game is the least sociable....its still alive and well!
This guy got the experience of WoW we all did, when we first played. Everything was wondrous and exciting so many things to do not even close to enough time in a day. Soak it in and enjoy it, you'll never be able to obtain it ever again.
it's insane how much better classic is from a leveling / world perspective than every other expansion. The original wow zones are so iconic
This is true. I love retail but I vastly more enjoyed the classic leveling experience (better in wrath when it’s a bit easier) my issue is at max level the game is boring af. But that’s when I got back to retail. But I still go back and level in classic for fun
@@erichall090909 i'm not a huge fan of the quest hub format in wrath. Seems like you get 2 quests at a time and keep having to return to the same locations over and over instead of just giving you a bunch of quests at once. Chains are cool and everything but it seems like every quest hub is built the same way in wrath it gets a little monotonous
@@seph_f I agree. Northrend is boring as hell. I never liked the zones, im not a tbc zone fan either but its way more interesting. Tho it might be the reason that i have played almost 10 years on wotlk private server :P
Classic andys are on such level of delusion
@@ziggs123 why’s that? What do you think is best?
“If the button glowed, I pressed the button”
Same or I can only comprehend so many commands while in battle. Never played WoW but other MMOs have taught me It’s not quite my thing.
You should take a moment and watch when he jumps off the giant sword. Hilarious!! As well as when he first started. So fun.
I cheered when he stuck the landing.
@@fightingfaerie that was a spectacular WoW moment!
I've played every version of WoW since 2006, and I still know 0% of the story
All of the lore complaints over the years have gone right over my head lol
Ofc, flying is best feeling thing in Wow, beocouse is from Guild Wars 2 😂
But WoW had flying before GW2 unless I'm stroking out.
@@angry_zergling I'm and video author was talking about dragonflight flying, this one is copy from gw2. Old wow flying mechanic is junkie at best.
@@MrBasforce Oh okay! I was 99% sure WoW had a flying mechanic first, but this wasn't the first time I had heard WoW had copied flying from GW2. So I was confused.
Thank you for explaining! =)
@@angry_zergling I'm happy to. Have nice day!
Man I was a HS freshman when wow came oud and i was the "fat kid" who got laughed at a lot but then I would get home, I'd log in and a dozen people would immediately say things like glad you're back! And hey those bombs you made were great yesterday, ect..I was the guild engineer and loved to collect stuff so I always had a bank full of ore and I've smelt and give free to the guild smiths. I needed that connection then and wow was the only place I felt wanted. I miss you guys. Cheers to the HellRazers on dunemaul server circa 2004-2006
oh my god man when i was 10 years old playing a tauren druid for the first time ever in mulgore for the first time being a big cat hunting large birds and other cats and stuff man that shit was amazing
Yeah I remember meeting the ogres for the first time as a dwarf in Loch modan, was terrified by the size and the fact they were elites. Good memories
@@N3mdraz when i first started i was obsessed with blood elves.. their starting area gives me chills thinking about.. it is such a magical place
@@oscaroogabooga8565 yeah, blood elves is still nostalgic, great looking starter zone with one of the most melancholic music in game.
As a Runescape player with all content available all the time wow system of expansions that are basically there own individual game that year like a cod franchise game turns me off completely but each to there own
Yeah dude. The doom and gloom videos get old. This was nice.
9:00 i dont agree of starting at classic if you are not used to classic youll hate it, classic is really a bad game for today and hard to enjoy if you are not already into classic
Honestly feels kind of bad that the lore is garbage for new players. Would be cool if you're sent to a historian for a quick tldr cinematic of all the feats and pitfalls of the expansions (with xp rewards).
Being called hero after 1 hour of tutorial island would make me quit rather quick.
I think Blizz is scared of losing their hardcore whales, but imagine how easy they could just retail the story from TBC/WOtlk and so on, just different. Like just start from Warcraft 3 again but different, hell they could put the entire thing on it's head and say alliance and horde work together.
But the story is way past wc3 now
@@notaskaven964 Yeah but what if they actually honestly redcone everything and start at 0 from Warcraft 3s end. Clearly Shadowlands has shown they not afraid to go back on everything that has come before
@@nairav9156 then we'd lose shitloads of content for no reason
Tbh I really like that suggestion. Kinda like a "we write a new sequel" type and I'm not even saying that because the story they came up with in recent years sucks.
@@notaskaven964 Honestly, I think it's time to lose the old content. I think the game itself has become a bit of a bloated mess. I mean, if you compare the size of the game itself, it's about 100 gb now I think, in classic it used to be about 8gb. How many players would actually need to travel to every single zone in the previous expansions? It's just content sitting there and never being accessed by the majority of players.
4:40 "Saving the Princess" was a BFA xpac-intro quest for the Horde (Blizz probably removed it?). Basically, you're sent into Stormwind to "rescue a captured representative from Zuldazar". Spoilers, it's Talanji. Escaping Stormwind with Talanji, you then get that Cutscene of her parting the fog with the Alliance fleet getting absolutely bombed.
I remember when MMO's were great... Ultima Online in 1997, Everquest in 1999, then came wow and the genre took a downward spiral to easy mode.
I feel like what made classic WoW so good to me was after playing Warcraft 3 and feeling like I was a continuation of that story especially when leveling in lordaeron or kalimdor
As a guy who's played since the very beginning, release day. And have spent majority of that time on RP servers, I can say I enjoyed my time there more than other servers.
The video started and when "I started playing WOW" the immediate pause into ooooOOOOOoo, had me rolling
Bros facial expressions get me every time😂
When I first got into WoW around MOP, the guild I joined that recruited me was super nice. Super helpful and friendly. Teaching my little snot nosed pre teen ass everything they knew.
Everyone commenting without even watching lol
They are the copium nerd squad
Bwonsamdi making fun of us for dying is some serious funny shit 😂😂
Roox is awesome. His playthrough is an actual well documented and realistic one on how new players experience WoW - it's completely opposite of what the gaslighting doomers will want you to believe.
When he released his first vid back in january I was searching for a game to play and he sold me on wow and honestly I love
The first 6 seconds already have me hooked with Asmond's reaction.
returned to the game after 10 year break. absolutely loving it. been playing a 2 months and already have three 70s
thank fuck you came back in DF bro. you wouldnt have 3 60s in shadowlands lmao. it was way more grindy and way less alt friendly than DF. DF is better in just about every way.
Starting WoW in 2023 is a bat shit insane decision especially when there are SO MANY better games
The sword he was talking about was [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]
did someone say [Thunderfury, Blessed Blade of the Windseeker]?
I wouldn't recommend Dragonflight to anybody.
I was so hyped when they redesigned the talent trees. I feel like this should've been done ages ago. I've longed for the vanilla style talent system and I feel like this is a beautiful blend between traditional and modern styles.
"What makes the game fun is the people you play with." That's literally like every game on the planet lol. Such a stupid argument.
Calm down lol
I will confirm as someone who has played the game primarily on "regular" servers I have always had more fun on RP servers, it's just really hard to raid on them, or it was in my experience with the odd hours I've worked most of my life.
This made me happy. There is hope for my boomer game.
this video resonated with me... I used to play wc3 and the first few expansions, but everytime I consider getting back into wow, I see a ton of expansions whose lore I'm not familiar with. That alone makes me not want to play the newest expansion, since I don't know how the characters that I became familiar with developed...
And that's ignoring all the stuff that pisses me off, like how they treated arthas in shadowlands.
Imagine thinking Furryflight is better than MoP or Legion. lol
Systems wise, yes.
Imagine being stuck in the past
Calls Dragonflight furry but defends the pabda expansion. Makes sense.
@@camil-jr When the past is better than the current hot garbage we have, sure I'll stay there for as long as I want.
@@Achille12345 keep coping about how MoP was better than Dragonflight
6:18, that's one thing I really don't like about a lot of games. They don't feel like "real" worlds. More like some sort of amusement park. Every inch of the map is set up for a certain activity, no exploration and finding out interesting things yourself.
If you notice when tryed the game he bought the dragonflight collectors edition u can tell here 5:45 by the mount. So he was making sure we was going to commit to trying the game.
Hi, Belgian here, so WoW came out in 2005 for me.
I first met the game when one of my childhood friend (we were 15 at the time, born in 1990) with whom I practiced kung fu said one day "let's skip kung fu today, you should come home to try the game I told you about (we were playing Diablo 2 for some years and he told me about the next Blizz game and that he would create an account and join a guild composed of members of our Daiblo 2 friends).
So we went to his home and we logged into the World of Warcraft on his account (he had a lvl 40+ undead mage, it was 2 months after the EU launch) and he told me to create a char on his account that I could play when he wasn't logged in. I created a tauren druid and leveled up to level 5 in an hour and a half... and I fell in love with WoW.
Why do I tell you my story ? Because it's the same story than the one rooxwastaken told us in this video. It's simply a story about exploration, discovery, playing with friends, making friends along the way. That's what made WoW and that's why it won't ever be the same game as we known in its beginnings. I've stopped playing official WoW since the middle of MOP because I couldn't find the enjoyment I had in 2005 and despite all the new content and features I wasn't able to immerse myself in it the same way I did in the first years. I had kept playing WoW as a casual since the end of WotLK with long time IRL and in game friends and I think it was the only thing that really kept me enthralled by the game. The social aspect of it was, for most of the players, the part that gave us a reason to log in after a long day of school/college/work/whatever and enjoy some time with people who resonated with us.
My conclusion: to all of you, long time players, if you still enjoy the game for its intrinsic value, good for you, for the others stop waiting for the day WoW will be the same it was in 2004-2005 to 2008-2009 because you'll forever be disappointed. WoW won't ever be the same. It's a very good game for new players or for high level ones and some others but you won't ever find the initial bliss of playing it.
Before I get any comment: yes, I still play WoW on private servers but very casually since I'm now married, have two kids and work a 9-5 job. I don't know if I'll ever stop because I play it as a kind of therapy (many months without playing then playing it 3 hours/day when I feel blue). I hesitate to try retail when the next expansion comes because some IRL friends have started playing again since Dragonflight launched but I'm not sure about it.
My last words will be: As long as you truly enjoy it, keep playing, we all need a form of escapism in life and if WoW is the form that escapism has taken then play it. However, never forget that it's easier to get lost in a world where you have control over everything than it is to keep your feet on the ground in real life which is the hardest "game" you'll ever play.
Matt
I’d kill to get back into WOW, but I have zero direction on how to play each expansion from start to finish. Me being a story guy, it’s very important to me personally.
They must disable that "kick player option"..
I am in no way hoping for a reboot as I have just come from the Chinese wow server that went down the drain a couple months ago. I've had my fair share of 'starting over' here and have no intention of doing it all over again.
Honestly this was really nice to see. I hear about so many players that are assholes to someone being new to the game. Its nice to know theirs other people out there trying to help them rather then scaring them away~
When he said, the majority of people are really nice and try to help you and stuff I was questioning my whole WoW experience. Been playing back in Classic, Burning Crusade and quit in WotLk before the Lichking raid even came out and started playing again like 4 months ago. Sometimes there are nice people but you have to be really lucky to find them, whereas you find douchebags pretty frequently. Searching for a group or a raid in WoW feels like you are applying for a job after graduating and they expect you to have 10 years of experience in that field. I remember wanting to do Raszageth in Raidfinder difficulty and after wiping once people were like "How?! This raid is literally x months old and people still die here?!" A lot of people seem to think that everyone plays WoW since 2004 and they should know every mechanic in the book by heart. I'm grateful for every person who helps newbies and is actually giving people time to learn the mechanics of raids and dungeons, you are the real heroes WoW desperately needs. ❤
Well, Lich King was 14 years ago. I think the playerbase and the gaming community in general has improved to a point where most people are just trying to have a good time. Current retail is also very casual oriented, you don't need 50 different buffs, 80 potions and 3 trillion enchants to actually be able to kill a mob like in classic, so people are a lot more forgiving.
@@Boppy00 Seems like you understood me wrong. What I was saying was that, now after I started playing again with Dragonflight I feel like the community is way too harsh on new people. There's barely any beginner friendly raids and even if you go into Aberrus via Raidfinder, for example, they expect you to know everything, even tho the Raidfinder is kinda there to take a look at the raid. And I see it in M+ aswell... If you wipe once the tank usually leaves. You are not scared of the monsters inside the dungeon, but of the monsters inside the community. 😅