Nice, it's basically an Edsel Citation Engine 410/475, from back in 1958, got the fuel pump connection on top in front of the engine next to the distributior,. My 58 CITATION had the 475 engine with 4 barrel carb.😁👍😉
You are right about them running well with "mud and piss". My 462 ran strong despite needing a full rebuild and having a mismatched 430 intake. But you HAVE to replace the original timing set if it is still there. Because the nylon teeth on the camshaft timing gear ARE going to crack and break off - and block the oil pickup tube. The original oil pump drive shaft is prone to twisting itself into a pretzel - better get a sturdier billet one from Precision Oil Pumps. And that crank driven power steering pump.... expensive to replace or rebuild. If it's groaning it's on its way out the door.... beware of it dumping a load of ATF in the crank case. The Carter 3 port fuel pump is difficult to find properly rebuilt (contact Mike Casella) Then there are the two small thermostats behind the water pump on the early 430's... remove and do not replace: over-designed and unnecessary. The exhaust manifolds are prone to cracking and hard to find/expensive. So yeah... lovely motor but you have to know what you're getting into. ;)
I rebuilt my 430 2 years ago runs great i put a warmer cam in it to liven it up a little and run 10 :1 compression used resonators only no mufflers Less restricted exhaust and running valvoline Vr1 30 racing oil high zinc .. 20 mpg at 60 mph only a idiot would change engine I have a 57 mercury with a super marauder 430 tri power never has engine been rebuilt or heads off with 53 k original miles just timing chain replacement And waterpump rebuild .. a 430 is bullet proof .. the engine before the 430 came around in late 57 was the 368 shared by mercury and Lincoln and later bored to 430 cid Used by Lincoln Edsel mercury (LEM) like I said before only mentally challenged would get rid of original engine .. and reason for Warmer cam highly recommended better overlap on valve cycles duration better for today's fuel and waterless antifreeze (Evans coolant ) less chance pinging if you machine shop doesn't recommend warning up cam profile and flowing heads ... find a real machine shop ... our family shop in business Since 1935 ... and always recommended improving performance without killing longevity of engine .. I am driving my 1963 Continental Nocturne Blue 4 door today same color as one crushed in goldfinger (5years on rebuilt 430 ) warmed up 430 with C6 firmed up shifts ( transmission out of 66 ) low restricted exhaust . Running resonators only like on all my cars if installed less restricted and its 92 degrees outside engine running 195 degrees A/c running R 12 still cold enough to frost AC vents made trip to Tampa 60 mph no issues the round trip will be 355 miles just a perfect run 👌 Great video thanks 😊
Rebuilt the 462 in my 1967. Went 510ci, Edelbrock heads they found laying around in a store room (Thoroughly Worked Over) 3x2 carb intake, cam blank ground to roller cam to match heads & intake. 11:1 compression. 650hp through an AOD Trans for 575 at the wheels. Out on the road with AOD gets 27-30mpg at the speed limit running just the middle carb, electric choke, pertronix ignition, 290 Amp alternator, 16 volt battery & a few other hidden upgrades. I found an outstanding machine shop in a huge warehouse at a Ford dealer that just works on Lincoln mainly, Thunderbird & top of the line Mercury's. Ac has been rebuilt for R134 as well
Back in the day when gas was 29 cents a gallon the atrocious gas milage was no big deal.Today it could be a deal-breaker, but there's no denying they were smooth and reliable.Did I mention HEAVY !
bought a 1968 Continental when i was in the Air Force. it had some broken exhaust studs and was oily on the block. still drove it about 10,000 miles before deciding to rebuild it. not knowing all i really needed was valve cover gaskets. took the heads to a machine shop and they replaced the studs (i had no knowledge at the time nor a place to do it myself). then ended up having the entire engine rebuilt. the guys who worked it only had to hit the cylinders with a hone (that looked more like a wire brush than the typical 3 bladed hone). it had 98k on it when i pulled it out. i loved that car but it needed more work than i could afford and i ended up selling it. mine was a january 68 so i got the 'last of the V-8s' lol (YES I KNOW IT WASNT THE LAST OF THE V-8s) it was the 462cid before they started using the 460s before i sold it i had filled it with 26 gallons of gas. then it sat for 10 years. TEN YEARS and the guy who bought it, put a new battery in and it started and ran. he used all he fuel in the tank and it never missed a beat
They’re pretty awesome motors especially once you put a little time into replacing the nylon timing gears with new iron gears and chain. Also big time Upgrade comes from getting good head gaskets with rebuilt heads and good exhaust gaskets from Remflex
They have the canted combustion chambers like the 348/409 Chevies. No combustion chamber in the heads. Perfectly flat. Great torque engines. I put one in a 59 F100 years ago.
Just because it's sludged doesen't necessarilly mean that it needs a rebuild. Before PCV valves were required, all engines were prone to sludge, except perhaps those of which were mainly used for freeway driving
Super durable engines alright. Only weak point in my experience on my '60Lincoln is the exhaust manifolds. It's a good thing that they are available reproduced,but it's tough to keep them leak free at the mating surfaces to the heads.
Back in about 1972 my dad replaced his 292 in his 1961 F 100 4x4 with a 430 . For some reason I don’t remember he went back to the 292 just a few months later.
they are amazing engines, a MEL engine tied for first place at the inaugural Daytona 500 on the new paved track in 1959. look it up. photo finish took days to decide
Yep. Had to trash mine because it was rusted through and had irreparable internal damage. Seeing so many swap options makes me hopeful but I'm having difficulty choosing the right one with such a clean slate. Dont judge me. I just wanna ride.
If you have to swap, go with a 460. Can be built for.much much less & is waaaaaay lighter. Wide range of parts as well. A friend built a 521 for his 1967. Edelbrock complete top end kit, roller timing set, etc. 11:1 compression for 600hp. AOD Trans, etc. 400 pounds lighter & a real torquer
I changed leaking valve covers gaskets on my 62 Lincoln and there was a LOT more sludge on top of the heads. Car still ran perfect, a bitch cleaning it up with the engine in the car.
you should have left it in the car, just pressure washed it, and ran some block cleaner like Rislone through it, changed the oil to synthetic and filter, and ran it.
Funny thing is I have rebuilt a couple dozen engines in my life. I have torn apart many, many others. EVERY LAST Ford engine I ever torn down or ever taken the rocker covers off have this sludge. NONE of the Mopar, Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac or Buick engines had this sludge, they were all almost "like new" clean. I do not understand it. Is it because people who own Fords are too cheap to change the oil? Or is it because all these Ford engines I had experience with used Pennzoil? Why? It is a mystery to me.
Not funny or even remotely believable. Sludge is not brand specific, all makes use all brands of oil and Ford owners aren't subhuman. Mechanic and operator of all type and age domestic vehicles including marine and some general aviation since late 60s.
No they were there own design, another name was turn pike cruiser. They were very good, I had a 383 block same as the 430 block, bell housing and fly well off the FE Would mate up, from my memory 55 plus years ago.
SHOULD HAVE PUT A 6.0L MERCEDES V12 IN THE LINCOLN CONTINENTAL TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE ORIGINAL FROM THE 30'S AND 40'S!!!WISH YOU COULD'VE PUT A S65 AMG V12 IN IT!!!
Great video man! This one gives me hope. I'm working to get my 61 motor going, and from cranking it sounds great. Still have compression and leak down to do. If I do have to rebuild right now, do you have a complete rebuild kit you could recommend?
You might try Egge motor parts.Whatever they don't have in stock, they can make.Be prepared to shop around for a machine shop that can bore that motor. The fact that the bottom of the heads are flat pos
@@Aaron-dp5kb Agreed. My '64 Lincoln Continental convertible was the same and I see parts cars all the time that are the same. My understanding is oil would leak from the o-ring around the distributor (front of the motor) and oil would get everywhere including on the oil pan. The piece of sound deadening type material on the top of the valley pain could hold that oil etc. Nathan, do you ever put anything back under the intake manifold above the valley pan like they did from the factory? I wasn't planning to myself.
Nice, it's basically an Edsel Citation Engine 410/475, from back in 1958, got the fuel pump connection on top in front of the engine next to the distributior,. My 58 CITATION had the 475 engine with 4 barrel carb.😁👍😉
You're right. That is amazing for an engine to run great despite neglected maintenance.
You are right about them running well with "mud and piss". My 462 ran strong despite needing a full rebuild and having a mismatched 430 intake. But you HAVE to replace the original timing set if it is still there. Because the nylon teeth on the camshaft timing gear ARE going to crack and break off - and block the oil pickup tube. The original oil pump drive shaft is prone to twisting itself into a pretzel - better get a sturdier billet one from Precision Oil Pumps. And that crank driven power steering pump.... expensive to replace or rebuild. If it's groaning it's on its way out the door.... beware of it dumping a load of ATF in the crank case. The Carter 3 port fuel pump is difficult to find properly rebuilt (contact Mike Casella) Then there are the two small thermostats behind the water pump on the early 430's... remove and do not replace: over-designed and unnecessary. The exhaust manifolds are prone to cracking and hard to find/expensive. So yeah... lovely motor but you have to know what you're getting into. ;)
bigfancycar all very true
I rebuilt my 430 2 years ago runs great i put a warmer cam in it to liven it up a little and run 10 :1 compression used resonators only no mufflers
Less restricted exhaust and running valvoline Vr1 30 racing oil high zinc .. 20 mpg at 60 mph only a idiot would change engine
I have a 57 mercury with a super marauder 430 tri power never has engine been rebuilt or heads off with 53 k original miles just timing chain replacement
And waterpump rebuild .. a 430 is bullet proof .. the engine before the 430 came around in late 57 was the 368 shared by mercury and Lincoln and later bored to 430 cid Used by Lincoln Edsel mercury (LEM) like I said before only mentally challenged would get rid of original engine .. and reason for
Warmer cam highly recommended better overlap on valve cycles duration better for today's fuel and waterless antifreeze (Evans coolant ) less chance pinging if you machine shop doesn't recommend warning up cam profile and flowing heads ... find a real machine shop ... our family shop in business
Since 1935 ... and always recommended improving performance without killing longevity of engine .. I am driving my 1963 Continental Nocturne Blue
4 door today same color as one crushed in goldfinger (5years on rebuilt 430 ) warmed up 430 with C6 firmed up shifts ( transmission out of 66 ) low restricted exhaust . Running resonators only like on all my cars if installed less restricted and its 92 degrees outside engine running 195 degrees
A/c running R 12 still cold enough to frost AC vents made trip to Tampa 60 mph no issues the round trip will be 355 miles just a perfect run 👌
Great video thanks 😊
What camshaft did you use in your 430?
@@dkattan5819 it was something that Granddad had isky brand
if I can figure out the specs I will message you
@@quagmiredavis4117 Thanks so much!! I'm just getting started on this ride...
Rebuilt the 462 in my 1967. Went 510ci, Edelbrock heads they found laying around in a store room (Thoroughly Worked Over) 3x2 carb intake, cam blank ground to roller cam to match heads & intake. 11:1 compression. 650hp through an AOD Trans for 575 at the wheels. Out on the road with AOD gets 27-30mpg at the speed limit running just the middle carb, electric choke, pertronix ignition, 290 Amp alternator, 16 volt battery & a few other hidden upgrades. I found an outstanding machine shop in a huge warehouse at a Ford dealer that just works on Lincoln mainly, Thunderbird & top of the line Mercury's. Ac has been rebuilt for R134 as well
55 gallon fuel tank & 120 octane fuel makes a smooth runner.
Back in the day when gas was 29 cents a gallon the atrocious gas milage was no big deal.Today it could be a deal-breaker, but there's no denying they were smooth and reliable.Did I mention HEAVY !
29 cents in 1964 =$2.47 today, so not that different in price, actually.
It is now before no bit local fine
@@emjayay Now, over five dollars per gallon, the highest gas prices on record, thanks to gov. subsidies and unmitigated greed of oil companies.
bought a 1968 Continental when i was in the Air Force. it had some broken exhaust studs and was oily on the block. still drove it about 10,000 miles before deciding to rebuild it. not knowing all i really needed was valve cover gaskets.
took the heads to a machine shop and they replaced the studs (i had no knowledge at the time nor a place to do it myself). then ended up having the entire engine rebuilt. the guys who worked it only had to hit the cylinders with a hone (that looked more like a wire brush than the typical 3 bladed hone). it had 98k on it when i pulled it out. i loved that car but it needed more work than i could afford and i ended up selling it. mine was a january 68 so i got the 'last of the V-8s' lol (YES I KNOW IT WASNT THE LAST OF THE V-8s) it was the 462cid before they started using the 460s before i sold it i had filled it with 26 gallons of gas. then it sat for 10 years. TEN YEARS and the guy who bought it, put a new battery in and it started and ran. he used all he fuel in the tank and it never missed a beat
They’re pretty awesome motors especially once you put a little time into replacing the nylon timing gears with new iron gears and chain. Also big time
Upgrade comes from getting good head gaskets with rebuilt heads and good exhaust gaskets from Remflex
They have the canted combustion chambers like the 348/409 Chevies. No combustion chamber in the heads. Perfectly flat. Great torque engines. I put one in a 59 F100 years ago.
Coupled with a 4 speed I bet it would pull down a mansion.
Just because it's sludged doesen't necessarilly mean that it needs a rebuild. Before PCV valves were required, all engines were prone to sludge, except perhaps those of which were mainly used for freeway driving
Run thinners through the motor for sludge. Chang the oil & put in a quarter of transmission fluid. The detergents keep the motor spotless
keep these cars alive! you're doing the lords work
Super durable engines alright. Only weak point in my experience on my '60Lincoln is the exhaust manifolds. It's a good thing that they are available reproduced,but it's tough to keep them leak free at the mating surfaces to the heads.
Back in about 1972 my dad replaced his 292 in his 1961 F 100 4x4 with a 430 . For some reason I don’t remember he went back to the 292 just a few months later.
Probable couldn't afford the gas.
Down with Ls swaps!
They just don't make them like they used to.
they are amazing engines, a MEL engine tied for first place at the inaugural Daytona 500 on the new paved track in 1959. look it up. photo finish took days to decide
Yep. Had to trash mine because it was rusted through and had irreparable internal damage. Seeing so many swap options makes me hopeful but I'm having difficulty choosing the right one with such a clean slate. Dont judge me. I just wanna ride.
If you have to swap, go with a 460. Can be built for.much much less & is waaaaaay lighter. Wide range of parts as well. A friend built a 521 for his 1967. Edelbrock complete top end kit, roller timing set, etc. 11:1 compression for 600hp. AOD Trans, etc. 400 pounds lighter & a real torquer
With todays oil and fuel injection these old motors would run forever.
Sludge stops leaks
I changed leaking valve covers gaskets on my 62 Lincoln and there was a LOT more sludge on top of the heads. Car still ran perfect, a bitch cleaning it up with the engine in the car.
Looks like a highriser intake port.
i have a complete 1958 version that needs a new home and rebuilt .
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you should have left it in the car, just pressure washed it, and ran some block cleaner like Rislone through it, changed the oil to synthetic and filter, and ran it.
i have to keep you in mind if we ever need anything. We have a 64 hardtop.
Crank driven power steering pump. Cool.
Literally the worst part on these cars was the power
Steering pumps. They leak badly and perform beautifully haha
What machine shop do you use? Im in Jacksonville getting ready to disassemble my MEL462
Funny thing is I have rebuilt a couple dozen engines in my life. I have torn apart many, many others. EVERY LAST Ford engine I ever torn down or ever taken the rocker covers off have this sludge. NONE of the Mopar, Chevy, Pontiac, Cadillac or Buick engines had this sludge, they were all almost "like new" clean. I do not understand it. Is it because people who own Fords are too cheap to change the oil? Or is it because all these Ford engines I had experience with used Pennzoil? Why? It is a mystery to me.
Not funny or even remotely believable. Sludge is not brand specific, all makes use all brands of oil and Ford owners aren't subhuman. Mechanic and operator of all type and age domestic vehicles including marine and some general aviation since late 60s.
@@danontherun5685 I guess it was my imagination then.
Where can I get a rebuild kit for this engine?
Falcon global
Is the MEL a Y-block design like the FE and the, uhm, Y-block?
No they were there own design, another name was turn pike cruiser. They were very good, I had a 383 block same as the 430 block, bell housing and fly well off the FE Would mate up, from my memory 55 plus years ago.
@@jimschafer9196 your right. i put a 430 in my 58 bird which was a 3 speed manual. everything from the 352 bolted on the 430. no balance problems.
@@bobbyc6028 Boy of boy that must have been a very nice sleeper. Factory standards were very rare.
@@bobbyc6028 a few years ago someone had a YT video on a mercury factory 430 TRI power car, 58-59 if I remember it correctly.
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SHOULD HAVE PUT A 6.0L MERCEDES V12 IN THE LINCOLN CONTINENTAL TO PAY TRIBUTE TO THE ORIGINAL FROM THE 30'S AND 40'S!!!WISH YOU COULD'VE PUT A S65 AMG V12 IN IT!!!
Packard had
Do you have a repair Manuel for that motor I have a 430 and I don’t know the torque specs for it
It depends on the year, make, and model. Typically range from 400-500ft.lbs. It comes in at low rpms so it really pushes these heavy cars well.
Nathan Wilson mine is a 1958 430
Go to your public library and find a vintage Chilton,or Motors repair manual.
Old skool is the best fuck all these fucken new motor shit fuel injection I'll never run that on my car well said
Ya that goes for me too fuck that shit
Nice language. Do you eat or kiss your grandmother with that mouth?
I had a 383 ... What does MEL stand for?
Mercury Edsel Lincoln. It was the top of the line motor in the Merc and Edsel, standard in Lincolns.
MEL stands for Mercury-Edsel-Lincoln.
Great video man! This one gives me hope. I'm working to get my 61 motor going, and from cranking it sounds great. Still have compression and leak down to do. If I do have to rebuild right now, do you have a complete rebuild kit you could recommend?
Nic Sanford Belgard try falconglobal.biz
You might try Egge motor parts.Whatever they don't have in stock, they can make.Be prepared to shop around for a machine shop that can bore that motor. The fact that the bottom of the heads are flat pos
This is what happens when you neglect an engines maintenance.
Exactly Mitchell. This one definitely missed a few oil and filter changes
@@Aaron-dp5kb Agreed. My '64 Lincoln Continental convertible was the same and I see parts cars all the time that are the same. My understanding is oil would leak from the o-ring around the distributor (front of the motor) and oil would get everywhere including on the oil pan. The piece of sound deadening type material on the top of the valley pain could hold that oil etc. Nathan, do you ever put anything back under the intake manifold above the valley pan like they did from the factory? I wasn't planning to myself.
Quaker state motor oil back then
Put a FiTech on it.