Tough Talks: They Mistook a Backlash for a Movement, Part#1

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  • @RasheedBarnes
    @RasheedBarnes 6 років тому +87

    I got the opportunity to sit in on this lecture from one of the best minds of our generation.

  • @angylgyrl
    @angylgyrl 5 років тому +35

    Brilliant lecture Mr. Tommy Curry. Thank you so much for laying out the role of White women in the formation of racism in America.

  • @deniseworsham8559
    @deniseworsham8559 5 років тому +27

    A welcome Black scholarly breath of fresh air. Entertainers can't begin to feed us this perspective of such a command of the English language. This intelligence used to be more common among Black men: Eloquent and confident while masculine; nothing "toxic" about him.

    • @michaelwilliams853
      @michaelwilliams853 2 роки тому +3

      I beg to differ; I think white peoples will find him “toxic!” 😂🤣☺️

    • @coolfear360
      @coolfear360 2 роки тому +2

      @@michaelwilliams853 lol they’ll find him dangerous let alone toxic

    • @cullenami
      @cullenami Рік тому

      @@michaelwilliams853 That's because he is toxic.

    • @michaelwilliams853
      @michaelwilliams853 Рік тому

      @@cullenami how so?

    • @cullenami
      @cullenami Рік тому

      @@michaelwilliams853 I find his racist attitude pretty toxic.

  • @sekkhiaakare7701
    @sekkhiaakare7701 6 років тому +26

    Dr. Curry is giving it up! I'm going to save this and watch again. i've always been interested in the white woman's so-called feminism and their relationship with the evils of patriarchy.

  • @thenoobprincev2529
    @thenoobprincev2529 2 роки тому +7

    Holy crap. This was severly eye opening and interesting. We absloutely need to hear and talk more about this👌

  • @coolocelot
    @coolocelot Рік тому +13

    I can just feel the feminism leaving my mind as I listen to Tommy Curry. This is what decolonizing feels like

  • @smvgrv1624
    @smvgrv1624 5 років тому +22

    Currently reading "The man not" by , Dr. Curry. 👍🏾

  • @Metaghost-yl9li
    @Metaghost-yl9li 4 роки тому +34

    Thank you Dr Curry for your research. I was watching a BBC documentary a few weeks ago and the presenter could not stop going on about the suffragette contribution to ending slavery etc etc etc. Now, I see it's not such a pretty picture as painted by British academics. I now view many of these "Look how much we helped Black people" stories with a cup of salt. Because if you scratch the surface, you always find RACISM WHITE SUPREMACY! THANK YOU!

    • @trence5
      @trence5 2 роки тому +11

      I'm going to make it a point to read "They Were Her Property" one day.

    • @michaelwilliams853
      @michaelwilliams853 2 роки тому +3

      In fact, I'm listening to it for the 2nd time...

    • @thisrichbastard.809
      @thisrichbastard.809 Рік тому

      I view all so called academics who espouse “white” altruism towards melanated dominant peoples as suspect.

    • @SagesseNoir
      @SagesseNoir Рік тому +1

      @@trence5 I've recently bought that book. Very interesting

  • @hazardblkspirit4818
    @hazardblkspirit4818 6 років тому +32

    This is great scholarship. Tommy Curry is doing incredible work. I wish I could take a class from him. Keep up the work Dr. Curry!

  • @Rey-Nolds
    @Rey-Nolds 4 роки тому +7

    Standing Ovation...from my seat at seeing this video.

  • @oddfellow7510
    @oddfellow7510 6 років тому +15

    Great watch and great information.
    I can't express how relevant and needed this work is.

  • @paulsusac4839
    @paulsusac4839 6 років тому +10

    Wow, this guy has a LOT of great ideas. Thanks!

    • @TeykoII
      @TeykoII 6 років тому +1

      Thank you. Just research.

  • @Annihalate718
    @Annihalate718 4 роки тому +12

    WHOA!. Timeout... I NEVER KNEW about the history of the term "Hyper Masculinity" and it's relation to Black men. WOW

  • @joefromdc
    @joefromdc 5 років тому +14

    Wish you the best on ur travels Dr. Curry. I’m really sorry that we as a people didn’t take better care of you and ur family. U have what is called Christ consciousness

    • @dingolaystar3873
      @dingolaystar3873 4 роки тому

      I agree. I wish we had risen to the call. However, I know he and his family will be safe. My God says, "Touch not my anointed." I believe God's word that says, "No weapon formed against you shall prosper." This is my prayer for Dr. Curry and his family. A brilliant brother telling the truth and putting it down for OUR people.

  • @hendersoncnc
    @hendersoncnc 3 роки тому +9

    1:25:00 white boy thought he was gonna trip dr curry up lol

  • @mynextmoveisgonnabemybestm2902
    @mynextmoveisgonnabemybestm2902 5 років тому +21

    Dr. Tommy Curry as young and healthy too.... there is going to be many years of hell that he's going to bring

  • @AudioPervert1
    @AudioPervert1 2 роки тому +5

    To say the least, this is deeply compelling and disturbing debate (pov) Kudos ❤️🌄

  • @samiam394
    @samiam394 4 роки тому +7

    Wow this was an amazing lecture! Thank you Dr. Curry. Found your from Dr. Hasan Johnson.

  • @Miruberryhappy
    @Miruberryhappy 6 років тому +7

    So sad that such an awesome lecture happened after I have graduated.

  • @gabrielmeth4844
    @gabrielmeth4844 8 місяців тому +2

    The study 'Dating Divide' went in to detail about the glorification of white male beards as a sign of power and desire.
    To think it went back so far 😂😂😂

  • @whawkins8636
    @whawkins8636 6 років тому +13

    I truly enjoy and appreciate this brother

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому

      Thank you very much.

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому +1

      Thank you. There is much we do not yet know or wish to encounter when dealing with the history of white supremacy.

    • @whawkins8636
      @whawkins8636 6 років тому +1

      Tommy J. Curry beside the man not, please name four other good books on this topic to read.

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому +3

      Sure...
      1. Louise Newman, White Women's Rights: The Racial Origins of Feminism in the United States.
      2. Elizabeth McRae, Mothers of Massive Resistance: White Women and the Politics of White Supremacy
      3. Allison Sneider, Suffragists in an Imperial Age: U.S. Expansion and the Woman Question, 1870-1929
      4. Margaret Jacobs, White Mother to a Dark Race: Settler Colonialism, Maternalism, and the Removal of Indigenous Children in the American West and Australia, 1880-1940

    • @Rey-Nolds
      @Rey-Nolds 4 роки тому

      @@TommyJCurry-zs1mb BGS videos bought me to your videos and greatful he did. Stay Well.

  • @BlacksParson
    @BlacksParson 6 років тому +9

    Outstanding

  • @taylordupree6065
    @taylordupree6065 5 років тому +3

    Excellent excellent..... I'll be sharing this information... Thanks

  • @updogysl
    @updogysl 11 місяців тому +2

    1:22:00 - 1:30:40 Very emotional man, almost lost his cool. The person asking the question needs to do a deep dive into why they had such an emotional reaction to someone giving empirical support for a claim

  • @kreativeforce532
    @kreativeforce532 Рік тому +2

    28:32 meanwhile in the carribean since the arrival of Africans there the statement amongst us was "that when we die we return to Gini (Guinea)". A euphemism at the time for Africa that whites used in their language and thus was the only common name used for Africa amongst the various African ethnic groups and our inter-ethnic offspring. When said offspring asked where our people came from "Gini across the sea" (or on the other side of the kalunga, the line dividing the world of the living and that of the dead) was the answer.
    In otherwords Africans most certainly defined the americas as our hell, and Africa as our heaven or at least as the realm of the living (earth in the abrahamic context. An ideology which is not one native to us.)

  • @PassportGods
    @PassportGods 2 місяці тому

    5:46 Feminism as a backlash against black male emancipation. 😳
    12:11 Deliberate program of action to eradicate gains.
    24:00 Feminism and equality.
    26:07 Dems, Rep, & Slaves.
    27:05 "Slavery was good for the African."

  • @ncrewments
    @ncrewments 6 років тому +12

    DAMN!! Need a cigarette after that!! :-)

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому +5

      I appreciate the compliment.

    • @ajala8639
      @ajala8639 6 років тому +11

      Brother, your analysis caused me to change my whole view on feminism. And "The Man-Not" is a must-read for all Afrikans who are serious about the liberation of our People. #Respect

  • @nattyp7801
    @nattyp7801 Рік тому +1

    Know thyself and the slavery mentality will be eradicated!!!!

  • @SilverFrogStudios
    @SilverFrogStudios 2 роки тому +4

    This is an important perspective and corrective to the racially santized image of movement feminism. IMO it's never wrong to pierce what I would call spheres of relative innocence. In several instances it becomes clear that the author is jousting in a motivated way from, and likely in defense of, another sphere of relative innocence. Whenever you catch a historical scholar who is very obviously waaaay too smart and well read acting like he believes in simple oppositional constructions and claims from nearly infinitely complicated social history he knows well, you need to rock back in your chair and squint a bit. The OH YEAH YOU SCHOOLED THEM!! DROPPING FACTBOMBS!!! kind of reactions on here are testament to what is most defective in this presentation, where a kind of pro-black-masculine gish-gallop happens. But overall this was well worth the hour and a half.

  • @Cyberphunkisms
    @Cyberphunkisms Рік тому

    19:00 this is how i felt about my mustache before I cut it.

  • @Cyberphunkisms
    @Cyberphunkisms Рік тому +1

    i wanna apply to run this shit.

  • @seanclayter5072
    @seanclayter5072 Рік тому

    I find it strange that in most of the videos I’ve seen involving this doctor people refer to him as mr or by his first name

  • @Aluvsloans
    @Aluvsloans 6 років тому +4

    The Dr Tommy J Curry...

  • @BLK-LA
    @BLK-LA Рік тому

    If slavery was ended then why did 5 modern American states just vote about the continuance of slavery, in 2022? Why did Louisiana vote to keep slavery?

    • @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13
      @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 Рік тому

      What they have in a state constitution has nothing to do with the actual law of the land. The US Constitution forbids slavery, that trumps state constitutions.

    • @darksaint0124
      @darksaint0124 8 місяців тому +1

      ​@@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13The 13th amendment has a gigantic exception in it. It does not outlaw slavery. Even if it did, it did not make slavery a crime or put any penalties in place for anyone found to be holding slaves. You are repeating something that you learned in Elementary School and never thought about seriously. Share cropping, convict leasing, and debt peonage were all 20th century versions of slavery in the United States.

  • @joefromdc
    @joefromdc 5 років тому

    What’s the name of the article by Dr. Jordan?

  • @glennsheppard1800
    @glennsheppard1800 3 роки тому +3

    The dr. Is on too something.

  • @jeffblack5534
    @jeffblack5534 6 років тому +16

    🐐

    • @TeykoII
      @TeykoII 6 років тому

      Jeff Black Is that a goat.

    • @jeffblack5534
      @jeffblack5534 6 років тому +3

      TeykoII yep. It means Greatest of all time

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому +7

      I appreciate is sir.

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому +4

      Thank you.

    • @omalone1169
      @omalone1169 Рік тому

      ​@@TommyJCurry-zs1mbplease @ 1:00:20 can I see the source for the Dorothy Heights 1963 report

  • @Cyberphunkisms
    @Cyberphunkisms Рік тому

    30:00 holy shit.

  • @citycrusher9308
    @citycrusher9308 2 роки тому +1

    49:25 - Calls Trump a mysogynist
    101:00 - white patriarchy gave you feminism

    • @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13
      @coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 Рік тому +1

      And? Both things can be true, so what point are you making?

    • @citycrusher9308
      @citycrusher9308 Рік тому +1

      @@coolbreeze2.0-mortemadfasc13 I am leaving timestamps for myself. In case I decide to make a video concerning this topic. (forgot about this tbh)

  • @theelectricprince8231
    @theelectricprince8231 2 роки тому +1

    1:11:20 💥💥

  • @fabbeyonddadancer
    @fabbeyonddadancer 5 років тому

    First question was base on misinformation

  • @leonstenutz6003
    @leonstenutz6003 Рік тому

    13:00 Adresses feminism as being anti-male, or at least anti black male.

  • @susanwright6873
    @susanwright6873 3 роки тому +3

    And now he is defending Cosby ? "that's Cosby..don't put that on Black men?" but it is OK for him to put Stanton's comments onto all women who believe in Feminism...? Really ?

    • @BEazyDopemuzic
      @BEazyDopemuzic 3 роки тому +10

      He never defended Cosby for one . Stanton lead a movement and was propagating ideology. He also referenced many other feminist leaders. Cosby is one man that behaved abusively in his personal life. Bill Cosby is not a political or ideological leader, he's an entertainer. And he never put Stanton's comments onto all women that believe in feminism.

    • @meatymatmart
      @meatymatmart 2 роки тому +5

      1:25:45 He literally says all feminism isn't *that*. Please listen more closely.

    • @marsmith1907
      @marsmith1907 2 роки тому +3

      Cry harder 😆 🤣 😂

    • @omalone1169
      @omalone1169 Рік тому

      ​@@meatymatmart49:30 our problems in conception

    • @omalone1169
      @omalone1169 Рік тому

      53:50 small error. He is reference Mary O Ryan's book which references Horace Mann at least twice.

  • @olandofuller5588
    @olandofuller5588 5 років тому +2

    I'll solve the problem:
    Slaves where called EBO another word for Hebrew. Outside of the bible there are signs that read "slaves of Israel hill"... If your family was slave doesn't mean you were Hebrew because there were native blacks that were slaves and Moores that were slaves. If you were an ebo you are Hebrew which is why no other culture will stand with you but only God will save you.

    • @marsmith1907
      @marsmith1907 2 роки тому

      Shut up. Such a conflated weak argument. Ebo aren't Hebrew. Africa isn't the old world.

  • @ricardocima
    @ricardocima 6 років тому +4

    Why not a debate with someone who disagrees with him?

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому +40

      What is there to disagree with? It was merely a contextualization of previous literature and the actual statements of white suffragettes.

    • @nickj5476
      @nickj5476 6 років тому +12

      Tell them Dr. Curry, there is no argument. Only facts!!!!!

    • @dsmoove8353
      @dsmoove8353 6 років тому +12

      Tommy J. Curry Greetings Dr. Curry this is one of the Co host of the Codebreakers hope all is well. We need to get u back on with us so we can deep dive into this subject matter. Fanstastic lecture. Thanks for being one of the few voices in tha wilderness that actually do the hard core research to tell the hidden truth about the Mistreatment of black males.

    • @TommyJCurry-zs1mb
      @TommyJCurry-zs1mb 6 років тому +14

      I would be happy to do so.

    • @jeffblack5534
      @jeffblack5534 6 років тому +10

      Tommy J. Curry slayed 😂

  • @hendersoncnc
    @hendersoncnc 3 роки тому

    55:00 toxic masculinity

  • @susanwright6873
    @susanwright6873 3 роки тому +2

    and why does he not talk about the number of black men that voted for Trump....check the stats...black men voted for Trump in record numbers. I dislike his narrow view without full statistics of the Black population. He is clearly out to make a point and picks and chooses his data to prove his point.

    • @BEazyDopemuzic
      @BEazyDopemuzic 3 роки тому +1

      Trump got 12% of the Black male vote. He got 53% of the White female vote. Please stop.

    • @meatymatmart
      @meatymatmart 2 роки тому

      Yet somehow black men were second only to black women in Biden votes, weird how that works. "Record numbers" and you have the nerve to talk about picking and choosing data.

    • @marsmith1907
      @marsmith1907 2 роки тому +1

      Pathetically irrelevant!

    • @theelectricprince8231
      @theelectricprince8231 2 роки тому +1

      2/3 of white women voted for Trump. You need to remove the forest growing out of your hypocritical face before you try and talk about the speck of dust in someone else face

    • @matttate920
      @matttate920 2 роки тому +5

      Not on topic.

  • @susanwright6873
    @susanwright6873 3 роки тому

    white patriarchy did NOT give women feminism ....wow so many off the cuff remarks...yikes.

    • @meatymatmart
      @meatymatmart 2 роки тому +6

      He's saying feminism came from patriarchy...as in the system of patriarchy is what allowed feminism in the first place.

    • @Blvck_6
      @Blvck_6 2 роки тому

      if white patriarchy didn't want feminism, feminism wouldn't exist.... they (women) did not have the power to do anything about it

    • @marsmith1907
      @marsmith1907 2 роки тому +1

      Shut up already! You're definitely an agent troll!

    • @theelectricprince8231
      @theelectricprince8231 2 роки тому

      Feminism is an extension of Western traditionalism ("patriachy"). Feminism is and will always be a reactionary hate movement that has a home in official western imperial power.

    • @TheeGemstone
      @TheeGemstone Рік тому

      Feminism was funded by white patriarchs and the ideology and racism within feminism was derived from white patriarchs