I want a Solar Aspect that brings back Divine Protection. The ability to convert our offensive Grenades into Healing Grenades on the fly would be a huge boon.
@@Blue-qt8ms I blame Titans and Hunters needing to have access to them for Bungo's lazy and bad choice. Same with the nerf to Ionic Traces and Benevolent Dawn. I wouldn't mind the other two classes having access to them if it weren't for the fact it nerfs the Warlock's kit. The existence of Healing Grenades are fine letting Hunters and Titans have a choice of survivability or offense but Warlock's should have kept access to be able to have both available at the same time. Also they deleted part of the Warlock "IdEnTiTy" by not letting us convert our Grenade into something else like every other sub-class. Handheld Supernova, Bleakwatchers, Arksouls (via Getaway Artists which should've just been built in to Arclock), and Threadlings. Solar now being the ONLY sub-class without that identity.
@@coinisinorbit No, I am correct. Heat Rises isn't converting our Grenade into something else, it just allows for Solar Warlock to floof about a bit longer. It doesn't do what the other sub-classes do which makes the Grenade something disconnected from the Warlock itself. It's not an amp'd Grenade like Handheld Supernova with Void. From a magnetic sticky Grenade into a short range blastwave. It's not an Arc Soul like with Getaway Artists with Arc. That should've just been baked into the kit but that's just my opinion. Still it turn the Grenade from a chuckable Grenade to a shoulder Turret. It's not a room lock down turret, the Bleakwatcher like with Stasis. Turning a chuckable Grenade from their normal function into a Turret. And it's not a homing creature, the Threadling when the Grenade is charged like with Strand. Turning a Grenade that drops up to 3 Threadlings whilst airborne into a Brood nestled on the Warlock's shoulder. You know what WAS similar to all the aforementioned Grenades from the other sub-classes? Divine Protection. That's the part of the "ClAsS iDeNtItY" that was taken out.
I hope the strand actually gets a summoner feel. Or add new summons that can produce more threadlings. The Broodweaver needs more love and the class as a whole.
@@blandera8919 Sure, the broodweaver isn't entirely one-dimensional, but you can't deny that the class is structured in a way that strongly encourages you to go the summoner route; all 3 aspects either involve threadlings significantly or focus on them exclusively. The fact that the combo of a pre-existing exotic and a grenade ability is viable for difficult content doesn't change that. What kind of changes would you like?
@@AOPrinciple Ideas for new warlock strand aspects: 1) Taking the stasis turret route, but instead this stationary summon will spawn more threadlings where it lands, enabling you to somewhat control where the threadlings are. 2) Use an ability to get a few on-demand perched threadlings, with extra for the threadling grenade. 3) Infect an enemy with enough threadlings to turn it into a more tanky strand summon, standing roughly by you at all times.
@blandera8919 sorry to break it to you but there is another exotic called verity's bow and it really good Specially since we have strand weapons Got a GL and AR with hatching perk and let me tell you it destroyed everything And you get your grenade back fast You can summon all you want
I’m not a warlock main but I had a neat idea of the wandering tangle aspect that it would be cool if when you made a tangle it automatically just started flying around suspending, like the winterbite projectile. That might be op but something that made it feel more like a summon or enhanced tangle.
Yes this is what ive been saying, let the tangle auto track to seek out enemies. Let it "wander" to a target, stick to it and explode. Simple and useful in both pve and pvp
Eh, nova bomb tracking makes me think just making the tangle, if thrown by anyone, have the effects. Otherwise your wanderer is gonna decide the dreg currently falling off the map is the highest priority target...
As a lover of Stormcaller, only now that we have all these crazy artifact perks in Season of the Deep does it really feel like the best option for some encounters. Only pain point is survivability considering that rift is the only healing and the long cast animation on rift. That overshield on ionic trace pickup idea would be so nice, or any kind of update to help you stay alive really. I wish the artifact perks could be permanent fixes, at least one or two of them.
aw your build is only working for survivability scenarios and doesn't add much value to the team? such a bummer. welcome to how hunters have felt since mmmm idk day fucking 1
@@cookeez7010 Hunters have the arc melee ability that heals on kills, increases your damage, resets your dodge cooldown, and turns your punches into arc damage which spawns orbs that can heal you with a single mod on the boots. Warlocks are the only class that can't get elemental melee
@@elitejt8388 For real man they're like "Man radiance is op bla bla bla warlock too strong wtf" yeah ofc I enjoy playing 1 Subclass for hours just to use a super for YOU, makes sense...
@@herrscher1904 and when you DARE play something else to have some fun, they yell at you because they want their fucking well. Just play warlock ? Or stfu.
Don't mean to sound like a broken record, but imo this all started with the introduction of well of radiance since Before that it was pretty clear that warlocks were space wizards and after that the role got more focused on being support. As a warlock since D1 I think this is the moment it all started going down hill since after that all major dps abilities got either nerfed or simply outpaced as the game moved forward with little to no buffs since the mentality of "You're gonna be on well anyway" became so prevalent in the community. Also 100% agree with your 3.0 reworks point. I think it needed to happen, but I expected for warlocks to get something in return, like idk but "whatever you can do the other now do as well but you don't get to do what they do doesn't feel fair. while I do enjoy the elemental companions I think they were poorly implemented for the most part, bleak watcher was like the beta and it works well and CHOG was good on void release, however it went down hill from there solar didn’t even get one and arc soul was so ass it had to be buffed TWICE to be the equivalent of a second primary weapon. Strand was marketed as the summoner class is the only one of the subclasses that made the summon universal and I think that’s what is holding back threadlings since if they made then useful to the extent of CHOG or bleak watcher the other 2 loose identity.
@@IlPinguonautathey already did, it no longer provides a overshield and you can easily break the well of radiance by sneezing on the sword. It's already been gutted in pvp, the only thing that well has going for it is when you're playing against incompetent players
That's legit how it is. Warlocks don't feel like an individual class anymore, we're just collectively called "the well of radiance guys" because that's all we're known for nowadays. It doesn't even matter how good the other subclasses are (and they aren't anyways, the new strand aspect is legit ass), they'll forever live in the shadow of solar so long as well exists. The day well gets nerfed, it's gonna make a lot of people mad, but I genuinely believe it'll only prove to be a good thing for the class as a whole.
This exactly i couldnt have said it better. Ive been saying this for awhile now they turned locks into medics. Ive been considering swapping to another class because of this. I dont have time to play multiple classes. Feels bad
Honestly, I would happily give up Well of Radiance if it meant the devs would see Warlocks as players too. Fire me as a space babysitter so I can actually be a space wizard. If they are going to give away our identity, then please give away our support obligation as well. Let buffing be a team obligation so Warlocks can BE something.
Especially in PvP. You need all the skill and perfection in game as a warlock just to survive a decent titan player thats strapped on antaeus wards or some other broken meta exotic of theres.
Here to feed the algorithm beast so mlre people can see these truths. I've been a warlock main sense D1 like a lot of people here, and i do agree with you. I tend to take long breaks from the game as i really only play warlock and i wind up not having too much fun. Doesnt help that im a solo player aswell and i dont want to deal with lfg
I agree with everything except the axing of Lightning Surge for warlock, and I believe the only reason I feel that way is because it’s the most unique animation a warlock has and is something that does Titan levels of add clear, IF IT HITS
Wanderer: When you spawn a tangle it is replaced with a sentient tangle that roams the battlefield lashing out at enemies with strand tentacles dealing damage in addition to severing and unraveling targets. After 10 seconds it detonates. Your tangles have their internal cooldown reduced by 5 seconds.
Which, compared to the classes, this looks like complete ass. Like, titan: awesome melee jump, hunter: useful and badass fake hunter from dodgeing warlock: throw the ball. K bye
@@arnifenrenso2940 This was just my suggestion to make it better than a Tangle that simply has slightly better tracking and a Suspend effect--whcih is incredibly weak and vanilla.
As an exclusive warlock player: Thank you for validating what I have felt about Warlocks for YEARS. Thanks to devour, Void 3.0 is the only subclass where I feel like I am actually empowered to get my hands dirty. Every other subclass involves fully meme-ing a single gimmick, conflicting incentives, and arbitrary limits. I chose Warlock because I wanted to be a goddamn space wizard, but I have been relegated to the role of a space babysitter. Even the newest exotics are designed for Warlocks to support with the trace rifle: mark targets to generate ammo for allies and give them woven mail. I'm tired of being forced to sit back and watch my friends have all the crazy fun with cool abilities and verb interactions. It's getting to the point where I'm simply not interested in reading patch notes, updates, and new exotics anymore. At this point, I am willing to give up Well of Radiance entirely if it means Devs will see Warlocks as actual players rather than glorified space bards.
couldn’t have said it better, i don’t mind playing the support role, but bungie has pushed us so far into that role that very rarely we can run those god tier builds like bonk hammer
i completely agree man. void tbh is the only somewhat empowering class on warlock and even then it no longer feels special cuz devour, warlocks void specific speciality, was given to all classes. not to say this is bad, but like he said in the video, bungie is just giving titans and hunters warlocks identities and abilities, wiping the whole reason to play warlock for any given reason.
you guys do realize you don't have to be the well+div guy in everything right? Does well and div make raids way easier most of the time? yes, but lets not pretend stasis, arc, and strand warlocks neutral game's aren't ridiculously strong and strand warlocks super is straight up one of the best dps supers. Being expected to bring well and div because others don't want to is annoying but you don't have to. Make your friends pick up their slack and play the build you want. Warlock definitely needs some buffs but it's not anywhere near as bad as y'all are making it sound
I don't like how Warlocks have become the buddy subclass. Void buddy, Arc buddy, throw the Stasis buddy, release the Strand buddies etc. That's why Strand also doesn't feel like a summoner class to me, because it's not unique enough in that regard. Also, as a PVP enjoyer, the buddie's AIs and inconsistencies could really need some adjustments.
i haven’t paid all that much attention to the state of warlocks for a while now, and being a warlock main myself i completely agree with everything you’ve covered.
Hey folks, thanks for swinging by and offering your opinions on this video so far. I'm very surprised to see how this exploded as much as it did. I'm not going to micro-manage all of the comments as it pertains to feedback for or against and have instead put down a discussion point in my community section which goes over the most common criticisms and my responses to them. I'll be glad to engage in civil discussion here and there as we go on. My upcoming video review of Season of Defiance and thoughts on Season of the Deep in 2-3 weeks will come back to this video and offer some more insights on it. Thanks again!
A note on you thinking that sun star and rain of fire are bad. Rain of fire is a very sleeper pick for PvP, and is extremely op when used correctly, and it’s just good for fast reloads on damage. Sunstar just makes arc warlock completely broken with arc souls and I think both exotics are really good, especially rain of fire which is slept on. I recommend trying sunstar and rain of fire, they’re both actually good.
I played all the classes (havent played for a year tho) and what i can say is: Just use other exotics... They may not be broken, but most still offer value and interesting gameplay loops. Use the 2 melee charge arms with the melee charge auto rifle and spam arc bolts. Use Vesper of radius with a sword that recharges you class ability and arc souls/void soul. Use the speedrun boots with sweet business. etc. This game has so much to offer yet people only use the most powerful stuff. Most PvE is easy As for class favouritism i do agree on some parts but you just see the broken parts because thats what people use.
@@sandburgbilly381 yeah Rain of fire is great for dps with weapons that have a longer reload time, also great for run and gunning when you're trying to speedrun things. Fallen sunstar is also fantastic.
@@bragekv9937 okay but like. hunters class ability is mobile. titans got a mobile class ability for arc. would it have been that hard to give warlocks like, the surge melee attack as a replacement for the class ability instead?
To TLDR this: While warlock CAN dive deep into subclass fantasies, It's significantly more difficult to do so without full build commitment. Hunter and Titan have completely insane combos baked into thier subclass kits. For two examples hunters are able to infinitely dodge and jolt melee targets on arc, and void Titans are able to infinitely chain volatile explosions that heal not only them but the entire team
@@councilfraun9300 dodge near enemies to get melee energy and one of your aspects makes arc melee kills recharge dodge. you literally just have to read the aspects and slot whatever fragments feel like they make sense for what you're trying to do because the aspects hard carry and it only gets stronger if you pair it with something like liar's handshake
Volatile was void titan's identity and ironically gyrfalcon hunter is the one that can do it better than anyone else right now. I understand what everyone is saying but being warlock mains make you all think this is a problem that affects only warlocks while actually the whole game is in shambles
@@rhn4710 I'd still say titan is the best volitile class but it's a matter of perspective and preference. All classes on some level have had their identities dumbed down or nerfed into the ground in one way or another but truth be told this game will never be truly balanced. Bungie has made it clear their idea of fun reigns above all else till the complaints are unanimous or pretty close to everyone complaining about something in particular regardless of it actually being a balancing issue. The community needs to stop fighting eachother before we can actually get some decent change that we ask for in destiny
I mained Middle Tree Stormcaller because of Ionic Traces and Pulsewave. So finding out EVERYONE got Ionic Traces and Pulsewave was removed just ruined it for me. Middle Tree Storm had some of the best Neutral Game capabilities.
Here’s another way to get people off starfire protocol, give us a super that actually works for boss damage so we don’t have to run well, I’ve had 4 warlocks in raids and everyone’s got well cause why bother with the other supers, they don’t do damage or are too risky due to hitting the wrong thing and wiping the team, Rivins eyes for example
This is the big one for me, I don't doubt that Starfire was super strong before the nerf, but after seeing Aztecross' Super DPS testing before and after the buffs it became even more obvious why it was used so much, before the buff Titans had 2 supers that could output almost around 900k-1M damage and in the case of stasis it could effectively do that damage to everything on a room while freezing them constantly by spamming heavy attack, then there was a fairly big drop off drop off with 3rd best doing less than 700k which was still also titan Hunters could doo just over 600K which is a good 30% decrease from best Titan, Warlocks? not even 500k literally half the damage of Titans, post buff, Titans now go over 1M, hunters between 800-900K Warlocks 700-750k at best, which is an improvement in getting them a bit more in line with each other, but then you actually look at what those supers are, again Titan huge AoE, Hunter smaller, but still AoE, Warlock best are Meme beam at around 750k which is single target and Dawnblade at 700k which is a bit of a weird one as it tracks meaning you don't have 100% control over what you hitting, if there are ads near or between you and the boss, there's a good change half your projectiles will hit the ads instead massively lowering that damage, so its like yeah, Starfire is strong but that's accentuated by the fact that everything else was, and kinda still is, trash in comparison to the other two classes, on top of this to actually get that super high damage on Starfire build required a specific exotic, a demo rocket and witherhoard, so that's Super, Power Ammo, Special Ammo, Specific Exo Armor, Specific Exo weapon and fairly specific Power weapon, there wasn't much room for adjustment without losing a lot of damage orrrr... you could just be a hunter in lucky pants with Malfeseance and do over 1M in 1 phase against templar... so that's Exo Primary weapon and Exo armor, no super, no special or heavy ammo, no setup outside of readying the weapon. On a slightly different note, the changes to the armor giving some built in 4x surge also feels rough on warlock, Bakris gives it for dodging non hunter, which is like a 10s cooldown, so basically always up and makes invisible and invulnerable during the dodge, It requires stasis subclass but buffs both stasis and Arc, so potentially 100% uptime on all weapons having 25% damage boost for almost no cost and a lot of safety, Titans, eternal warrior build the surge up by chaining Arc kills (so again basically free as you'll be killing stuff anyway and is very easy for Titans to do on Arc) and gives max stacks coming out of super, Path of burning steps is basically the same but for solar, Warlocks have Mantle of battle harmony which requires you to NOT use your super and get a kill to get the damage buff for 10s, now I can see there's an argument to be made that mantle gets you your super quicker to begin with but is it worth using for a 25% damage buff and holding your super while also needing a kill to proc for 10s, when you could stick with 3 surge mods for 22% damage basically all the time assuming use of time dilation etc and that doesn't require weapon to match subclass, or an exotic at all, I do use mantle a fair amount, but that's for one of two reasons, A build up super quick then hot swap ( so not even using the damage buff) or for an ager's Scepter build primarily to extend the duration of Alt. fire in which case I'm going to run surges anyway because yanno, it drains the super so again no damage buff, the only time it does get the buff is when i dont need the bigger damage Alt mode and at that point its just upping me from 22% from mods to 25% from exotic, yes it doesn't require armor change etc. but charge isnt difficult to get, a teammates pops a super and you've probably got plenty of orbs , mantle has you to stop shooting the boss and kill an Add with subclass matching weapon every now assuming everyone else hasnt just melted all the adds with there supers because they're allowed to use them without hurting there damage, so to boost damage vs boss you need to stop shooting the boss? I feel like the kill to proc requirement is a little much, is 25% damage boost strong? yes, is the cost of effectively not having a super a fair trade off, possible in some cases given half our supers are trash damage anyway, but making it require a kill every 10s during DPS reduces the the amount of cases where it could be useful again, again, compare this to hunter, who just has to dodge and get invis and invulnable on top and potentially reloading there weapons with gamblers dodge or which ever dodge it is, so easy to use with or without ads, no killing requires, the Titan one generally requires chaining kills so not great for busses, unless its eternal in which case pop super, get max stacks on super end, then shoots the boss until dead, warlocks is get a kill, shoot the boss until lowish then try and guess when to pop super for the kill, with is similar but if you pop early the boss doesn't die and you've got no damage buff, pop too late and half your super is basically wasted as the boss is already dead which yeah there dead for final stands and stuff that could really F you over when you're edgeing the super pop only to realise shit I waited too long we now wipe or shit a went early, we not wipe, basically requires popping at the perfect time to make the damage worth it, especially and Mantle does literally nothing else, no quick thaw like burning path, no invis + invul like Bakris, just more super energy in order to get a slightly higher damage buff for 10s +4s for each kill afterwards build up a over what you can get for picking up 1 OoP with normal surge mods which last longer even without time dilation IIRC which don't restrict the use of your super or subclass and lasts 10s per orb minimum and potentially 18s per orb with time dilation meaning pick up 3 orb, you now have 2 mins of surge on whatever weapon type you want plus potential stat buffs from armor charge aswell, to get that with mantle youd need to kill, what? 30ish enemies in fairly quick succession and I don't even know if the buff can stack up to 2 min so might require you to top it up constantly. The weird part is from what I've heard Warlock is the most popular class amongst the Devs, which makes me wonder if its actually the opposite of class favouritism and theys made the other classes particularly so players dont just say" oh bungie devs all play x that's why its the strongest" but have gone a little too far and made warlock feel a little lackuster and have kinda lost there identity a lot of the time minus a few specific cases like starfire and sunbracers, well, i guess now its only the latter.
Buff chaos reach just enough that you gotta run Gravimag Stabilizers to make it viable. It's frustrating to see the longest lasting "burst" super not even hold a candle to that of hunter and titan supers. Endgame meta will always revolve around boss dps. As fun as it is, I'm tired of using Witherhoard with Starfire for every single boss.
@@smallestgoober9399 yeah, feel like base level supers should all be viable (especially given there will be newer players who don't own certain exotics so you've basically just said to them, nah you cant use this super because you aren't wearing X or Y) and you the exotic should take it to the next level, especially for geomag given its only use is the super compared to most other exotics which will be useful most if not all the time, maybe if they gave Geomag some neutral game usage it wouldn't be so bad but having an exotic that is only useful for a super obviously leads to hot swapping armor when you want to super then immediately switching off afterwards which is awkward, right now there's no reason not to run for e.g mantle, build up super, swap out to geo, super, then back to mantle to build next super, obviously not ideal but its still better than pure Geomag and I Doubt the devs want people to be constantly swapping gear mid activity just to be able to do mediocre damage, swapping between encounters, yeah fair enough, but mid boss fight? almost certainly not
Chaos reach is now doing good damage, same with Dawn blade, the buffs they received made them very good, damage doesn’t come from supers anymore, they mostly come from god roll weapons and exotics than buff your ability spam
@@Snotzalotz gathering storm and thunder crash not withstanding, and both take a quarter of the time to fire compared to both dawnblade and chaos reach Warlock has 0 chance to keep up with dps cause warlocks get locked into cast animation and nova bomb may as well be a fucking grenade at this rate with its damage While hunter and titan can be shooting said weapons that do more damage then supers while also having the super damage going
As a Titan player who hasn't played Warlock since Shadowkeep....I had no idea Warlocks were getting shafted so hard. Hopefully things turn around for you guys.
@@fang4853 If warlocks don't get nerfed, and we're still complaining, wouldn't that suggest that our stuff arrives underpowered constantly and simply gets ignored instead of buffed or reworked? We can't ALL be "mad cuz bad", right?
Average bitchy warlock: “I think my already strong exotic should be buffed to be overpowered” Warlocks can already dupe their threadlings, (bug, may be fixed) not to mention imagine casually sending out 16 fucking threadlings from casting your rift…
@@Snotzalotz if your definition of meta is well bitch, then I have some news for you... Also usage stats disagree, I can say with 70% certainty that you are a Titan because of how dominant and prevalent they are in the PvP population :)
@@TheFriendlyInvader complaining about "well bitching" is insane when it literally takes pressing a single button on the best pve subclass in the entire game lol
@@Krvnchy After which I do... Approximately nothing, really the gameplay isn't exactly engaging and it turns both myself and any teammates in the general vicinity into braindead apes who would rather enter a DPS race than actually work with the mechanics of whatever encounter they're currently doing. You want to see broken? Look at thundercrash Titan, you also press a single button for the highest DPS super in the game, and you actually do damage, as well as having a really good neutral kit on Arc Titan. As for your claims that well is the best PvE subclass, that's fucking nonsense, unless your idea of "best subclass" is legitimately just sitting in a corner waiting for well to charge for like 20 seconds of DPS, and doing fuck all otherwise. There's no synergy, the neutral abilities are weak, and the overall gameplay flow is absolutely dogshit on solar warlock, especially compared to the Arc, Void, and even Stasis kits the class offers in PvE. Solar sits firmly at the bottom, even under Strand, which is an accomplishment you really have to work for.
Warlock main since d1. Although I feel like stormcaller is in a somewhat good spot, I agree with you on dawnblade and strand. I just want it to go back the the good old days when I could train fire down from the sky on everyone. That table aspect needs to be completely scrapped and made into something to feed threadling generation, which also needs some type of an identity buff. I just feel like it gets lost in the whole suspend everything and shoot crowd.
More survivability, and less reliance on exotics for ability regen for arc, and I think we are golden. Warlocks should be able to get amazing ability regen on warlock without needing to put on those two exotics. Maybe melee or grenade regen from killing jolted targets. Just more regen on top of the electrostatic mind
@@elitejt8388 I’ve been playing Stormcaller without either Crown of Tempests or Fallen Sunstar and been getting so much ability energy that I usually have abilities back right when I need them, shortly after using them. Often times I have a new rift up before the old one’s even gone.
Dawn blade is good?! Use Dawn chorus and Dawn blade and you’ll easily hit for 600k on your super.. not to mention it’s one of the best supers in PvP and has by far the best movement in the game..
Starting this video being a Warlock main had me feeling like i just walked into the kitchen and my parents are preparing to have an intervention w me! 😅
One of the things that I hate about how Bungie is handling warlocks, especially as a warlock main, is that we are treated as a support class and have not gotten even half decent offensive abilities. Shadebinder Super is really meant for crowd control, Storm caller super is steal relatively weak as crowd control, both version of Nova Bombs still falls short even after they received, Broodweiver is just a worse Nova that solely relies on threadlings damage, and well is a shell of its former self and is almost a requirement for endgame content because everything else is dog water poopoo. Additionally I am so tired of receiving exotics Armor that only enforces you play a supportive role instead of offensive. A great example is the new Season of the Deep exotic helmet that is meant for trace rifles, and I don’t have an issue….. at least for the trace rifle portion. Where I start to have an issue is that when you mark a priority target and YOUR ALLIES get the final blow on bosses or champions, THEY GET HEAVY AMMO…….. BUT THE USER DOESNT. LIKE REALLY??!!!!!!!!!! If that is not supportive I don’t know what is. It’s time for some more offensive exotics and aspects THAT ARENT BLAND AND LACKLUSTER IN UTILITY.
I think some of this was harsh. Electrostatic mind is a very strong ability which gives us the easiest consistent access to ionic traces which provide quite a bit ability regen. When you combine that aspect with fragments to generate ionic traces, it is possible to get multiple ionic traces from a single enemy. Fallen sunstar bumps ion traces to a whopping 25% grenade and melee PER trace (so if you are combining this with spark of ions, you literally get half of your grenade back for killing a jolted target) in addition to giving nearby allies energy equivalent to a normal ionic trace. I agree with most of this tho. Solar 3.0 in particular was very cringey. 2 of the aspects being aerial felt like they only cared about top tree and pvp balance. Meanwhile they tried to cram both the healer fantasy AND pyromancer fantasy into touch of flame. Then what baffles me is that warlocks grenade charge abilities are good but none of them are meta defining/game breaking. Meanwhile touch of thunder is ridiculous and storm grenade took all the attention and lets pulse grenade casually recharge itself while doing insane damage
My ideas on different class abilities based on elements Void, "interdimensional warp": using your class ability warps you out of reality and reenter for a brief moment (like a dodge). Leaving the warp leaves behind a void breach for you and your fireteam to pick up Solar, Radiant seekers: replaces your rift with a burst of noble seekers that hunt for fireteam members and yourself. They give the players 2 seconds of restoration and cure Arc, amplification: replaces your rift with a temporary arc wave. Entering the wave grants damage reduction and amplification Stasis, shatter fall: your rift is replaced with a animation. Your warlock waves the staff and slams it to the ground creating a pulse. The pulse gives you and allys a stasis overshield. The pulse also shatters any frozen enemies within range Strand, The Swarm: based off the number of kills you summon the brood to fight for you. Your warlock does a animation and various waves of threadlings burst outward to fight for you.
First vid of yours I’ve watched, a Titan main (for transparency’s sake I guess?) I think it’s really easy for people to look at the uses of something like “top tree dawn” and say it’s broken because the 1% that play warlock and want to beat other classes on warlock HAVE to use it’s kit. Same thing for lightning surge cheese, etc. if you want to play warlock well you kinda only have 1 maybe 2 choices. You have a lot of good points and I hope people are able to look past the “warlock complain because they not titan/hunter” bullshit that most people pull.
Dunno how familiar you are with PvP, but the high end movement skill cap for all Classes is Warlock -> Hunter -> Titan and speed going Warlock -> Stompee Hunter -> Titan -> Hunter. I played a lot of comp and scrimmed until Lightfall, and lemme tell you: Titans are broken in PvP, Stompees can give Hunters an edge to catch up with the Movement of Titans and Warlocks. Also I play all classes equally if that helps to remove bias (maybe leaning towards Titan and Warlock I guess)
A note on Arc Warlock: If you focus on grenade spam(pulse is my favorite), ionic trace generation, and have a decent Fallen Sunstar you can effectively spam your grenade, rift, and for what it's worth your charged melee (the charged melee needs a LOT of help here). The super ability options just suck across the board and that is sad.
Very true I'm using this build with cold heart very fun can't seem to get the catalyst to drop for cold heart so it very well could get better, this season I find chaos reach to be viable if I switch to geomags during bosses but I still either gonna run strand or solar for endgame content later down the road but in raids dungeons lower difficulty content yeah I'll use arc and void more
Chaos reach buffs have been very good? Especially with the seasonal mods, do some damage tests and you’ll see Warlock he very good supers apart from Nova bomb, that still absolutely sucks
@@Snotzalotz The exact reverse of your comment is true. The void subclass provides an easy way to weaken through the child of the old gods aspect, so nova bombs typically have higher potential damage with the right setup. Chaos reach on the other hand is reliant on a seasonal mod to get high damage numbers; next season it will go right back to being mediocre.
I’ve been getting the feeling they want warlocks to be just a support class. That feeling was solidified with the release of this new exotic helmet that’s obviously meant to be used with divinity.
While I like being a support warlock (medic, provider, or whatever else), the fact that I've been having a tougher time playing solo without proper builds to back it up kinda hurts the more I think about it. Am I bad at the game playing solo? Thankfully no. Are almost all of my builds made to either boost other people or keep them alive? Unfortunately yes. Do those builds help me survive when I'm on my own? Not really. I like being a team player, but I'd also like to demolish my enemies and clean-slate rooms like a titan or a hunter can.
I'd love a strand aspect that allows for different threadling units, maybe have it be something like a threadling has a chance to be a flying threadling unit that hits at range and can unravel targets, like an arc soul but it can fly around independently and doesn't just follow the player. Love that we have easier access to suspends now, but with the other 2 aspects being so unique, it does feel like we got the short end of the stick here.
I thought itd be cool for strand Warlocks to have an aspect where they completely modify a tangle and change it to an orbiting turret. It spins like a disco ball while shooting enemies while applying sever, then exploding applying unravel. Itd also be cool if you could grab the tangle and reposition it
@@Tivallia9010 I think each Subclass should have a Turret. Void Soul, Arc Soul and Stasis Turrets are cool and give good support. I LOVE Void Soul in pve. Solar should get one where you convert your grenade and you throw it in the middle of a room and it creates a field similar to that of Void Soul that scorches targets in the radius. Strand can get a turret similar to Arc Soul and when it's timer runs out it launches at the nearest target to explode and suspend.
As a warlock, all I do is get to a corner and pop a rift then move to the next corner and pop another rift. In a close quarters fight, there is zero escapability or finesse in the kit. Give warlocks actual mage abilities. Let me create a wall of fire, or summon hurricanes that shoves enemies or throw their aim off, or steal enemy abilities and use it against them (transcending subclasses), or have more control over neutral gameplay like devouring a grenade increases swiftness or ability uptime etc like we kinda used to have before 3.0. The power fantasy is just not there. We aren’t the vampires that void promises, or the hurricane that arc promises, etc. On top of all that, all our main attributes were given to other characters or completely removed, like floating with a solar grenade, converting it to a healing grenade, activating devour by consuming a grenade, bottom tree dawnblade completely removed etc.
the rapid response to shadebinder melee while shatterdive and cryoclasm got left as is for most of the year kinda alerted me that something was off in Bungie's evaluation of Warlocks, but the release of solar 3.0 was just like a slap in the face to me as someone who actually liked running well of radiance before then. The removal of being able to convert charged grenades into healing grenades really hurt the whole support role of that subclass branch IMO, not to mention moving the melees that give what we would now call radiance to a fragment that all classes can get and the other two can chain much more effectively due to refundable melees (picking up the hammer or just straight up having the knives get refunded on a kill while radiant) just really felt like something was left missing from the whole subclass. I honestly expected the entire year from that point on that there was going to be another update to light 3.0 in season 19 to give all 9 subclasses 1 more aspect each just because i was so convinced that they wouldn't leave Dawnblade in the state it was in with only 2 decent builds. The point you make about usage rates is so good imo. Like the whole justification Bungie gave for why they had to nerf Starfire as hard as they did was that its usage rates were too high, and yet Warlocks have consistently been the least played class in all aspects of the game. It just doesn't make sense to me. I've always liked the appeal of playing as a support character and when I started playing I thought that's what warlock was, but at some point it seems like any unique support identity warlocks might've once had just got washed away and spread out into the other classes. Can't wait to never play solar again until Bungie nerfs every good part of the other 4 subclasses and i'm just a permanent lunafactions bot.
If you watched the super damage test aztecross did, warlock supers are consistently at the bottom. I believe top warlock damage was 500-600 K, meanwhile titan has two supers breaking a million.
Because the warlock supers are ranged and not reliant on being surrounded. What you want daybreak to do the same damage as glacial when glacial needs the stars to align?
@@blue21-23a Yes, Titans rely on being surrounded for that 1M+ damage but that's not exactly what I'd call stars aligning, sure its not useful in all cases however it has huge AoE so assuming correct range, it literally can't miss, can be used for room clearing as well as DPS, freezes constantly, and arguable can mess everyone else's DPS up because now there load of crystals blocking your view of the boss, flipside for Warlocks, daybreak is potentially hurt by being surrounded as the projectiles may track the wrong target so half the time you want to be up in the air for clearer vision which exposes you, same for meme beam without the tracking issue, and both can be messed up by glacial completely blocking vision, golden gun suffers from the blocked view as well but only requires a 1s opening with nighthawk, so for every case where there aren't enemies for warlocks super to do its thing there another case where the are for titans, biggest difference being titans get a much bigger pay-out and as I said can be used for rooms clear as well as DPS, daybreak could be used against ads but you then aren't getting any the stacking damage from dawn chorus, so for Titans if you know glacial doesn't work for X boss you use it to get to the boss/DPS phase, is the boss isn't good for daybreak you don't really have a secondary use for it and obviously meme beam is basically only boss DPS with minimal ad clear, similar issues with Winters wrath being mainly single target but at least that benefits from a Titan Glacial by allowing you to only use the secondary action to shatter
@@blue21-23a what I want added to Daybreak is the ability to spam up close light melee abilities like a sword lol Higher danger & risk, but potentially higher damage too
You can throw a nova and keep shooting without having to move. Cuirass thundercrash needs you to phisically hit the boss and go back, it's all lost time and viable only in encounters where the boss is near enough and actually hittable. Behemoth is rng (stars align was most likely referring to the fact you need to hit the boss with crystals) and again, the damage you're doing is easily surpassed by weapons + the worst instant cast super. There is a reason why berserker dps is not meta.
With context, this comment makes no sense, those Titan supers are so situational to do that damage, warlocks supers are simply one and done and then use your weapons and abilities to deal the rest of the damage, Titan is spending most of a damage phase only doing about 1m damage, while warlock has probably already put out about 3m in that time.
It could've done something regarding movement, or actually make a construct. Instead we get a second shackle grenade that requires you to run over to it and throw it.
Couple points: Movement: warlocks movement is generally speaking the fastest, that’s why they’re used in speedrunning. Harder to pick up, higher skill cieling tho. Lots of advanced tech with well skating and snap skating and what not, just need to take the time to learn it. Titan and hunter are miles better in pvp sure, but like in general warlock movement is fine and is easy to chain momentum One shots: straight up shouldn’t exist in general, so this isn’t a pain of the warlock kit, but a problem that needs to be addressed on other classes Rift: rift has a long cooldown and placement time because it healing on demand like you said. It can borderline win you fights in pvp alone with the constant stream of health. Until they get you out of the rift you are constantly healing, that’s why the classy restoration meta was so broken. Not to mention btw, you can slide mid cast with your rift, so yes you can move. It’s a trade off, it heals and overshields you, of course you shouldn’t be able to just insta pop it, or pop it in the open. Empowering may need a touch up, but in no way should it be combined, you’re literally giving every subclass a mini well. You would quite literally kill the pvp meta. Elemental rift is neat. Cooldown is also fine though, barricade just needs to be increased. Buffing things continuously rather than nerfing only leads to power creep. Dodge doesn’t provide enough of a benefit to nerf, it is a movement tool and for its timer it’s very justified. Well of radiance: well is broken, flat and simple. Completely dumbs down the pve and pvp meta landscape, with the lowest timer and a scaling damage resistance to resilience with constant healing. Borderline mandatory in pve and hardcore content. Bubble at the very least requires you to leave the bubble and possibly die in the process. Well was genuinely the worst thing to ever be added in the game Dawnblade: pvp it’s fine, just up the damage for pve, that’s fair. Definitely need a new aspect tho seriously, bring back blessing of the sky in some way Exotics: Rain of fire is able to output the most dps with the proper swap setups, you just gotta learn it. There are other great warlock exotics, you just gotta take time to build around them Arc warlock: it just genuinely needs a complete overhaul. It’s bad. I won’t even try to defend it, it’s bad I genuinely do believe you need to look at this from the lense of objectivity and not class love. I play all 3 equally, so I mean it when I say it that it is not as bad as you’re saying it is. And like warlock, titan and hunter have many classes that are lagging behind in multiple areas (hunter arc is genuinely buns in pve, the worst I’ve seen. Titan stasis and Solar are very weak and do not have much build crafting wise to attempt at enhancing them. Titan stasis is especially dead, pvp it’s atrocious and pve it just isn’t as potent as shadebinder and revenant. Only good thing on the titan tree is sunspots, and even then it just doesn’t matter.) I’ve yet to play hunter or titan strand, but for the most part am hearing general discontentment. Warlocks consumable nade in general for infinite suspension is very very strong in general, the summoning vibe of this kit can be touched but I genuinely don’t believe that the class itself is Weak. Best dps super in the game anyhow. Every class has its problems with both overpowered and underpowered aspects. The goal should be to bring balance, not just get better stuff. There are strong setups on warlock, they’re just not as obvious, or may take some more player skill to pull off. Regardless, really, 30 minute video is a bit dramatic for the most used class in endgame pve. Try the other classes out, try and remove yourself from the class elitist mindset. You’ll see things in a much better light 🙏
You completely lost me when you claimed that Arc Hunter and Solar and Stasis Titan suck in pve. Arc Hunter and Solar Titan are the go-to for soloing dungeons and both literally melee through everything with a constant uptime in healing. I've personally been punching my way through GMs on a Stasis Titan this season, with almost a 100% uptime on a Stasis overshield because the amount of shards a glacial grenade generates is out of control. Literally everything else you've said is wrong. Discontentment with Titan and Hunter Strand? Lolwut?
@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 I mean hunter and titan strand I said what I’m hearing, but again if you read my point on it I said I can’t back up anything on it as I haven’t tried them. So for those 2 I have no opinions. Also for those other 3 classes, arc hunter and solar/stasis titan, they require such specific setup for such niche use cases that I didn’t really consider. Overall as a class they are weak imo, that’s why their usage is so low. One particular build does not define the potency and health of a subclass. These points can be argued sure, that’s what debates are all about. I still stand behind the rest of what I’ve said tho, and this too
Ever since i've started destiny 2, I've wanted to use warlock, and I main warlock. Recently I've tried other classes and I am starting to see how we warlocks are getting the short end of the stick.
I've always said this for warlock. Movement is their tool void has something that can be utilized AND turned into an aspect. The void blink from Nova warp can be directional blink binded to the same command as icarus with the same cooldown as Icarus. Either surpress or destabilize targets Ionic blink too. It would mostly be the blink animation bur on your screen you'll be able to have more direction with a jolt affect to nearby enemies If these get turned into aspects then movement on light subclasses will be fixed.
1000% agree with this. I also am a warlock main and at this point I feel like Bungie specifically targets warlock to fit the use they want it to fit. It seems like in their mind warlocks should just be support for the other classes and that any attempt to allow warlocks to hold up on their own is a disservice to the other classes. Pure favoritism at its finest.
I'm a titan main but daybreak should do this. "When hitting an enemy directly with your thrown sword, the flames from your burned foes travel above nearby allies and create a veil of light that make them radiant and give them restoration x2. Fulfilling that "pyro medic" fantasy. The fire comes off of the enimies and goes shwoosh and shing. Then white fire rains down on your teammates l. It would be a great alternative to moving away from well. It would also go good with a 20% damage buff to bosses to help make up the difference for not being able to shoot
Remember in Curse of Osiris how the cutscene looked when Osiris ignited his dawn blade? He flew around, slaying vex in the coolest mix of flair and arcane wisdom. Dawn blade should work like that. Swish, stab, fling ranged attacks from a distance, and lastly, you should be able to cut the super short and plant your well of radiance from using dawn blade.
Every time a new 3.0 subclass came out I was so disappointed to see Warlocks verb abilities like arc web, devour, restoration and radiant be given to the other classes who have an easier time obtaining and abusing them. May be a bitter warlock main but Arc was my favorite class, the add clear that arc web put out was great. When titan got jolt and a grenade focused aspect (in wish warlocks have always gotten them before) that was better at ad clear then arc web and all warlocks really gained was a new melee that wasn't viable in pve. Was very upsetting.
Tbf, hunters had Touch of Winter for stasis. Warlocks hold the majority of the "touch" aspects, but titans and hunter get one each. However, warlocks still get nothing from this exchange
first of all, titans always had healing on sun spots, it never was a warlock only thing, second, radiant wasn't even in the game and with sunspots giving out a dmg buff before the nerf, I'd argue titans had that pre 3.0 more so than warlocks, devour is still baked into warlock itself and wether or not you use that aspect or a fragment is up to you, no one has an easier time to get devour we all have the same way, warlocks are the only ones who have two ways instead of one(leaving out exotics), literally the only thing on your list here, that's been distributed to other classes and made a little worse than it was (thanks to the jolt nerf) is arc web
several of the 3.0 reworks took things from a class and distributed them to the others, like volatile, which used to be a Titan only thing, now it's not or invisibility, everyone can do that now
@@dexterpaton7944 so bad in fact that you decided to upvote your own comment? I've played 300hours+ on warlock, have been getting back to warlock after mostly playing titan for years, all I gotta say is that warlock feels incredibly strong right now and that 3.0 didn't JUST take from warlock, weird how that's a "bad take"
Genuinely- the fact that I'm hearing this opinion from someone other than myself honestly almost brings me to tears- 🥺 I love you- And I cannot put into words about how happy it makes me to know I'm not the only person who's thought this over the past couple of years-
Thinking the same thing I am in a hunter dominant clan and all they keep saying when I rant about warlock is "play another class if your unhappy" that doesn't fix the problem glad it isn't just me exclusively thinking warlocks need a buff and rework
@potato killer like I enjoy warlock why would I play another class? If I wanted another class I'd play it but I want warlock lol that's not a solution lol. And yeah! Warlocks have been underpowered for a LONG time minus well of radiance, and well is like the excuse to nerf everything else? That makes ZERO sense... and then they take everything that makes warlocks unique and just gives it to everyone else- 🤷♂️ so now there's basically nothing left that's unique for warlocks-
@potato killer I totally agree, if anything is mentioned about warlocks in the community everyone shuns you for it because they know warlocks have been crap because ether cried about it
@mac sommerville precisely. Most days now I've just considered moving onto a titan as much as I love my warlock, warlocks just aren't special anymore and in pvp getting one tapped and tap melee all the time kinda gets tiring
I couldn't agree more about everything youve said, with that....two things I'd like to see in all warlock subclasses icarus dash and a burn added to our rift that is left behind jist like the shield and smoke do ....but great video. Ive been waiting for someone to address these issues .
You know what would have been cool for a perk with the name "wonderer" and have it still be about tangles? When you throw a tangle instead of exploding it becomes a roaming turret that shoots unravelling spikes like the melee (maybe it shoots in bursts like an ach soul) and lasts 20 seconds so you have time to make another tangle and pick it up to keep the loop going before it ends without having to go into the back end and change recharge times. Boom, I just made a better aspect with 4 or 5 minutes of thought than Bungie's design team apparently can...
I started paying attention to Bungie's disdain for Warlocks when HH-Supernova was turned into a marshmallow tosser back in shadowkeep. I was so confused and surprised it woke me up. Void was the one Warlock class that I enjoyed playing because of the risk-reward loop, and HH-SN allowed me to compete with the other classes on an even field if I was careful. Ever since then, it's been a consistent series of disappointments for wanting to play my preferred fantasy. All my PvP activites force me to play Hunter to have fun OR be competitive. All my PvE activites force me to play Hunter or Titan, because if I am Warlock the only thing I hear over comms is "WHERE IS THE WELL? WHY CAN'T YOU JUST PLAY WELL? NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR DPS, I NEED A WELL!" Sorry, it's just not fun to be Well of Radiance and Div-bitch every encounter. In fact it's boring as hell. It's just sad man. Sad and frustrating.
See now I never get asked to play well anymore since I do constant weakening and whole team healing on void and I stay alive with void overshields, but I get where your coming from. Everytime I go to crucible I almost always switch to arc hunter because its the only viable thing imo since warlock has no pvp usability and weak supers so in high end content unless im on void gotta run well. Bungie needs to fix this, BRING BACK THE SUNSINGER
Welcome back, its 1 week until the final shape, and this video still gathers my thoughts perfectly. All of our aspects are turning into Summons, prismatic is almost entirely summons, with the exception of two aspects. Well has finally been nerfed after being the best super for a while (this is a good thing, but warlocks are not seeing enough compensation) Prismatic Warlock is very clearly to me, the weakest of the three classes. The two new exotic armor pieces arent too interesting. And the worst part is? Class favouritism is getting mad, especially with Titan. Banner of war had shipped, and Synthoceps did not receive any nerds for the longest time. Now, say this is nerfed with banner, at the exact same time as the release another pair of arms that is better for BoW than Synthos is. Every time a new subclass or whatnot releases for Warlock, I am always disapointed in what it grants me that is unique to the new classes. Am I being selfish for seeking something that the others dont get? Am I ungrateful because my class isnt "better"? I just want, ONE good content drop for my class, that really shakes up the class.
Isn’t it crazy that now the class being reworked and considered the weakest is titan? They complain about only being a melee class while our class suffers from the same thing except with summons. Where’s our rework lol?!
@@elitejt8388 I especially love how it took till final shape for our summon aspect on the summon class, weaver's call, was buffed to where it should have been this whole time. It really makes you wonder why it took so long for warlocks to get an update to a starting aspect, when Hunters and Titans consistently got new aspects that changed how the subclass plays in a fundamental aspect. Atleast with Prismatic, we get to show off why we are so strong, by getting the easiest access to the best healing buff across all three prismatic classes
What you said about having only the warlock being able to pick up the tangle, i AGREE! That should be OVERALL though. You don't create the tangle, you cant interact with it.
For realllll The amount of times where I make a tangle and then a blueberry sprints to pick it up is beyond frustrating, like can I please have my two little children from it?
@@Nienna_Asyare lmaoooooo right! Or even when I'm on titan and get put into red health because someone thought throwing it at a dreg is more useful than woven mail for all of us. Lmao
I thought it was apparent after bungie made the first 3.0 release, but I think we've generally reached a point at which hunter = gunplay or warlock = ability play, isn't or rather can't be the only defining factor for any of the classes anymore. Sure hunter often has more gunplay focused benefits baked into their subclasses but at this point they're more of a nimble assassin type of class, just like titan isn't just me go punch and punch stronk, but has become a much more sustain/tank focused class with either more destructive or controlling abilities and finally warlocks are still very much ability focused but also gained some neutral game or gunplay capabilities while maintaining their incredible endgame(high level viability)strength
Watching warlocks complain about being """weak""" is like not eating for 4 months and then seeing a child throw a perfectly cooked delicious juicy steak onto a sidewalk and stomp on it because they didnt like it
Huh. Judging by the views and the comments, I guess I'm not crazy. At this point I am poised to lean into my personal, specific power fantasies for as long as I can until Final Shape.
Instead of spawning 3 threadlings the rift should spawn either DIFFERENT/BIGGER threadlings OR maybe make it look like a portal into the ground where they spawn. Good for pve and not pvp which is what they want. Also since swarmers are useless because the melee ability does the same thing they should give us a better melee. Arc if they wanna make it movement based im fine with it..... Give us movement abilities. A tp version of icarus dash would be cool. Maybe make it so when were amplified you take less damage. Hell, a icarus dash for ALL the subclasses would be good so we actually get movement. and for the rifts we should do this healing (depends on subclass) procs verbs "devour, cure, woven mail etc" emp (d o subclass also) procs (volt bullets, void bullets, sever shots etc) making them USEFULL for synergy and Endgame. Void is in a good place tbh in my opinion. Im just always forced to well on endgame yk. solar was covered in the video well arc is ass..... the seasonal aspecs make it usefull strand just needs the buffs i said and mr freeze needs a rework on all classes
I’ve seen this video so many times. Sometimes it’s a Titan main saying that dunemarchers peacekeepers and Synthoceps aren’t enough to play with or that sunspots should still give a damage buff, sometimes it’s a Hunter main saying they aren’t needed in endgame pve or that stompee5 are just like the other movement exotics and don’t need a nerf, and sometimes it’s this. There’s some valid points like the wanderer puts the ass in aspect, but a lot of the changes you proposed would kill what little game balance there is.
I am a warlock main. I strongly disagree that warlocks are weak in pve. I cannot talk about pvp because I do not personally enjoy it (it is really easy), but warlocks are by far the most dominant class in pve. The only aspect of warlock in pve that is bad is arc warlock. For damage, warlocks have been the most dominant for a long while and still continue to be. Obviously there was starfire, which was way too strong, but there is now the strand cycle. This works on every class, but it is especially good on warlock with the super. Warlocks are mandatory pretty much any raid or dungeon with well of radiance. Warlocks have the best survivability and ad clear in the game through sunbracers (insane ad clear and infinite restoration 2 I used it to 2 man root), and in nightfall activites verity's brow is very busted. Strand warlock is extremely good offering the best damage in the game (look up warlock strand cycle it is almost as good as starfire) along with extremely good ad clear. There is also just infinite suspend for nightfalls. Void is just good overall. Nova is quite weak, but it is good ad clear and survivability with a variety of builds. Stasis is good overall, but it has been powercrept by strand. Stasis turrets are very good, but I think strand suspend is better than freeze. Warlocks do have infinite suspend easily. Arc is ok. Easily the worst subclass and it needs some help. However, it still has some upsides. Arc souls give the team a lot of extra help in damage and ad clear along with chaos now being pretty good for damage. Solar warlock is just what makes the class. Well is the best super in destiny and it is not close. With the strongest damage cycle, best super, excellent support, and the best ad clear, can you deny the strength of warlocks? Titans are just kind of useless. Cuirass (no idea of spelling) of the falling star is good but is outclassed because it puts you out of position and doesn't do enough to warrant that. For reference, a warlock needle storm does a similar amount of damage to a Cuirass thunder crash with no season artifacts. Bubble is useless. Any melee super is just for ad clear. In very few spots will you use a melee super for damage in high level content because things do too much damage. By high level I mean like master- grand master activites not like duality. Strand titan is very good but that is it. Solar is good on survivability. Hunters can be argued better because they have star eater scales. I would not care if you said hunters are best, but I wouldn't. Again nothing on hunter is mandatory besides tether maybe (not really) The damage is good and it has very good builds, but warlocks are simply better because of well, ad clear and survivability (sunbraces be busted), and a multitude of things I mentioned before. Overall, I think warlocks are an extremely dominant class, and titan is the worst class in pve by far. I think they are the best class in pve. Again, this is just pve. In pvp I think they are the worst, but idk.
Veritys are trash, sunbracers are next on the nerf radar after starfire nerfs, and strand super sucks, because it's so inconsistent. Well is only mandatory, because they design the raids with wells in mind. All arc and void supers suck, and you are basically throwing if you use either one of these in real endgame. Although I do agree with titans being weak. Totally undeserved HOIL and synthos nerfs. Bubble used to give you better damage buff than the well and they gutted that for some reason, and ALL their roaming supers suck in pve. Bungie just doesn't have the vision to make the game fun for all classes, balance be damned. If balanced means boring, I don't want it.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one that thought all this! Yah, bungle really needs to implement equilibrium throughout ALL classes. It’s not fair being one shot in pvp by both classes and not being able to one shot yourself. Unless I’m not equipping the right equipment… but I have 100 Resilience and I still feel underpowered!
@@miserstecher123 "not a lot of people" however my experience as far as titans are concerned say otherwise. Not to mention they gave blink to hunters in arc. Granted they had it in D1 but it was a warlock mainstay for void and it got nerfed to the ground. I only use it now because it's fun to use not for it's utility
Thank you Phantom, for your time and dedication to start this conversation. Also thank you to everyone taking part in it. I see myself as Solar/Stasis-Warlock Main. While agreeing to almost everything you said, I felt myself being superior to the other classes before S21 Starfire nerf hit. In my opinion, giving up your super for damage in supporting the fire-team was perfectly compensated by grenade spam via starfire protocol. In combination with witherhoard and a demo rocket I've been able to keep up with top DPS guys in my fireteam. Nerfing ashes to assets was ok, because it hit every class but made well spamming kinda impossible. Pulling off the DPS method, needed some skill as well and for the neutral game, being stationary in a rift that did not heal you was a fair adjustment. Why did I fell superior? I was able to save teammates by consuming my (heat rises) grenade near them for sure 1000 times. Using an eager edge sword to close the gap and charge the grenade inflight felt always like a very potent ability, which was very hard to master. The well skate is imo the best movement tool in the game. Restoration x2 is only available on warlock (as far as i know) To take it one step further, before the introduction of strand, the Stasis warlock was king of crowd control. Having those bleak watchers up freezing everything, numbing the battlefield was amazing. End of superiority... Not only was the CC-crown taken from the warlocks, it was split and given to titans and hunters in the form of infinite suspensions. The strand warlock does not have such a thing. Weavers trance is a joke, ether everything is dead already(normal content) or you need to shot a red bar enemy with for five your osteo minutes resulting in yourself being dead(Master/GM) or I'm just stupid. As you guys mentioned before: devour on all the classes, healing on all classes, crowd control on all classes, arc-web on all classes is stripping away the class diversity/identity, which sure will be only determined by the jump abilities. Sorry for the long comment! TL:DR: I agree
They butchered warlocks, gave it's toolkit to titans and hunters, then gave us starfire protocol, and now they are taking it away by completely obliterating it. Sunbracers are going to be nerfed to since every starfire users are going to switch to it, even though it has existed for a long time. Maybe they'll get a season or two before being put down like the rest of warlocks exotic that are actually performing. As for the strand wanderer aspect, why not an aspect that actually generated a threadling every 5 sec while in combat or something like that. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that aspect but I know I'll never be using it. It's bad. Plain bad. I watched aztecross testing the damage of supers before season of the deep. Good thing I'm already dead inside and lost all hopes of using anything else but well ever again in pve, or I'd have had a heart attack. But hey, we got a better camera angle coming for daybreak. It's going to make it great again.... Guess I'll stick to osteo/necrotic on strand and hope it doesn't get the bullet next season. Which it will, let's not kid ourselves here. You'll use well, and watch on the side lines while hunters and titans have fun, and you'll be happy about it.
@HousingBear79 sure titans have sunspots, but ultimately unable to keep up constantly and consistently, warlocks have builds to get that well back almost instantly. You wanna bitch about warlocks being butchered talk about titans and hunters being thrown around from being tanks and scouts to fist man and gun man. Nothing matters when it comes to arguing about this. And also the movement ability bs, we have always been different, in all reality hunters should have the highest base speed in the game, but both warlock and titans jump let's them go faster.
@@dillonlardner7113 Every void subclass? Every solar subclass? Equipping the recuperation mod on leg armor? Unrelenting? Crimson? Suros regime? Rat king? Ruinous effigy? The lament? Skullfort? Precious scars? Loreley splendor? Stronghold? No backup plans? Crest of alpha lupi? Wormhusk? Assassins cowl? Liars handshake? Honorable mentions Graviton forfeit and mask of the quiet one. Also don't get me started on overshields. Well of radiance is a combo of healing and damage boosting that is easy to use and strong especially for dps. If you could shoot out of a titan bubble more people would use it but at the moment for dps situations well runs uncontested much to alot of warlock mains dismay as this means they are playing well in 85% of endgame content and that can get stale.
As a warlock main, this may be one of the best videos I've ever seen critiquing how poorly warlocks have been treated in this game. Bungie claims they don't play favorites but it's pretty obvious they do. It's about time they start making some proper changes to our favorite space wizards.
It’s just stupid, the devs have never unfairly treated any of the classes never mind warlocks, how long did it take them to nerf Starfire? It was meta for about 2 years? Remember old Chaos reach? Never mind how unbelievably broken Icarus dash is in PvE and pvp, warlocks Solar class is the best class in both game modes, it’s by far the best in end game content as well, unfairly treated my ass, if anything the class is always getting the most unique exotics, synergies and builds, if you don’t like it there’s two more characters to play.
Geez im glad someone said this. Been a warlock main since D1beta. Ive been debating becoming a full time crayon eater. You sir have gained a new sub and supporter of all your content.❤
You alluded to it at one point, but another severe limitation of the rift is the fact that it basically locks you into place to gain its benefit, which is a huge factor in almost any advanced gameplay.
@@bragekv9937 I play all three classes. In general, titans have multiple factors that lend themselves to a more mobile gameplay style, including gameplay built strongly around creating overshields. Their class ability is also resistance, giving them twice the excuse to build it up and facetank, whereas for a warlock, it's extra duty. Not saying, "They have it easier." They have their own challenges. In fact, I wasn't comparing apples to oranges at all. i was just talking about the dynamics of a rift.
@@bragekv9937 the barricade stops bullets if the titan is there or not. it also deals a large amount of damage if stood in. rift does neither of those, and it has an extremely long animation and way longer cooldown
@@bragekv9937 They can't, but their barricases basically starts blocking the moment you press the key, coz they make a step back and spawn it 'in front' of them. You just aint killing titan in a crucible if he can just barricade right as you're killing him to get an overshield on top of that. Also their animation is so messed up gl headshotting him in it. Not to mention they can find an spot at which they can shoot through the barrier but 'stand' behind it?? Warlock's rift makes you *stand* in place (for an easy hs) for the animation, after which u can still just get oneshotted by a shouldercharge or shotgun xd Not to mention rift doesnt even tickle your enemies, but you get burned by barricades faster than a vortex nade.
@@popycorn300 Lock's rift is basically a 'kill me!' button. Only way its usable most of the time is to just get the void soul that you can send out for a debuff and some nade energy lol
I want arclocks to have a melee that acts as a long range spear type melee. It should charge like thunderclap but let you move while charging, and it would only do damage on a direct hit.
What about blink for arclocks? If they rework the melee to have one like u said it would be so great Hild w, blink in their face and unleash an overcharge melee and joli everyone
8:14 technically... thanks to our class getting the grenade enhancing aspect our grapple melee is effectively a shoulder charge with paragrin greaves, thanks to the threadlings (WITHOUT thread of evolution mind you) basically turning it into an instant kill. 25:34 yeaaah evo only bumps movement by like... 20%? granted the damage bump is about 50%.... but that says a lot on its own, given how weak they are individually. 26:02 i sware the super spawns the threadlings anyways even on embed. at least that's what i think when i see small ticks of damage after the needles explode.
I consider warlock my main but play all 3 classes and it's hard to not notice how any content with a power cap is suddenly considerably more difficult whenever I get on the lock. With how much time that's been wasted on gathering stat gear and ornaments for the warlock I'd honestly rather just quit than swap mains. You know it's bad when even the sunken cost fallacy can't reel you back in.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who really noticed this weird phenomenon. I mean in Destiny 1 it was the same thing. I can fly around and survive on my titan but anytime I get on warlock I'm dying left and right.
@@Runelor indeed, just the other week, on my titan wearing loreley, I noticed that I could survive standing afk in the first duality encounter while 5 scions were pelting me with bullets as loreley was passively looping barricades and sunwells. Even though the power delta is topped out, providing that extra bit of damage reduction, that's still in a dungeon mind you. It's an interesting contrast.
I am so glad someone is finally talking about this, I've been thinking about this stuff for a long time and felt like no one was talking about it. The warlocks identity still exists, it just also exists on every other class, and they often do it better, so uhh... I don't think thats much of an identity. Putting devour on every class is baffling enough and hurts warlocks uniqueness immensely, but putting it on a fragment for every class when warlock has to spend 50% of their aspects on getting devour without it being improved in any way blows my mind. And that's just one example, ionic traces, chain void and solar explosions, chain lightning grenades, healing nades, the list goes on and on.
Thank you for making this video. You covered alot of the points I had in mind. Especially the steal warlock stuff and give it to other classes aspect. Feels like I am getting robbed just like those tangles and the new bad aspect
@@GoogleAccount-jn5qb It had to be removed from Titans because of the D2 sandbox. I don't think you've thought about how fucking annoying fast moving titans with impulse jumps, and easy to cast barriers would be. Especially since they're already so fast.
As a Rain of Fire user, the exotic is quite potent with Mythoclast. It's one of the easiest ways to gain Radiant, which in turn leaves room for you to spec into Restoration and Benevolence to buff others and feed into ability regen. With how often the Osteo + Necro Grips gets thrown around for being meta, Necro Grips itself isn't that big of a boost over plain Osteo. Osteo + Grips is really only strong for trash clear, while the RoF + Mythoclast unlocks a very tanky, versatile (and supportive, even) ability generation kit that's not normally attributed to the Solar subclass.
@@awildmicio0922 I mean the build I mentioned is literally PVE focused if I'm even suggesting any form of support. Regardless, it's currently sitting at a .77 TTK, which is right about average. In regular lobbies, it's perfectly fine. It gets even better with Radiant so long as you're using it at the appropriate ranges.
@@SolixTanaka in PVE I can see it being decent. I still stand by what I said about mytho….. they keep trying to adjust fusions as a whole for PvP and vex continues to suffer because of this. They need to reclass the weapon as an auto rifle and give it all of the auto rifle buffs
@@awildmicio0922 It lacks range, but it's really not as bad as you make it out to be. I'm a decent pvp player (~2.7 KDA, peaked at mid-Plat last two seasons). I wouldn't bring it into comp, but in pubs it feels similar to a 450 AR.
@@awildmicio0922 the amount of times I’ve died to mytho in pvp… smh if anything, it feels like it’d need a nerf I can’t remember a single encounter I had against mytho where I came out on top. And I’m not a bad player by any means
I am a 99% voidlock main. I am not terribly unhappy with void, but I do wish there was one change to secant filaments. When casting a rift when devour is active should add 5 seconds and refresh health, etc. For several months I justices it as it activated devour and it is in the text. Recently I finally added the fragment to my kit and to my surprise this refreshes devour when picking up a new orb or breach. If a simple fragment can the exotic should too. I do enjoy strand occasionally. A criticism there is that threading kills should always count as strand ability final blows which in my experience typically don't from perched.
I was a Titan main in Destiny 1. Play more hunter and some warlock during those days. Warlocks were PvP feared. Just for their supers. Back when supers were strong like they should be. Now you get hit with a melee and die. Which is another topic entirely. Destiny 2 I continued with Titan main. I was already seeing nerfs happening to the Warlock class, but I didn’t realize just how bad until I switch to a Warlock main with Witch Queen. Like I’ve stated I’ve played all three classes since Destiny 1, but when you main a class you hone in on its weaknesses and strengths. Warlocks are supposed to be like Mages and Wizards. Casting spells and summoning stuff. Warlocks are definitely more about abilities. When you limit that with the art of gunplay you take away its identity. One such example is Rifts. Rifts are a joke among Warlocks. You have a better chance if you run than put down a Rift. This is PvP and PvE. You can regain health just as fast outside of it as in it. Animation is so long in this faster pace Destiny you will die before you put it down and it does no benefit right away so you’ll die anyways even if you survive putting it down. Nerfing things like this that take away from the identity of the class. It’s like taking away Hunter’s dodge or Titan’s barricade. Starfire Protocol’s TYPE of nerf was uncalled for! It’s utterly useless against a boss now. Not only is the regeneration rate completely drove in ground, but the verbiage of the exotic changed from “damage” to “kills”. Warlocks already have an exotic for that attached to Well. It’s Phoenix Protocol! I used that build before Starfire Protocol. Starfire became a viable option because Solar 3.0 and fusion grenade dp output. This is what a Warlock is suppose to do! That’s why you want a warlock to come along. For that maximum survivability and dps. One change I would wish to come true a Rift and/or Well that moves with your character. More so the Rift. Increase the survivability with Rift as well. Now we’re talking.
I would love it if rift just became an aura around you. Teammates nearby on initial cast would get a boost of health, or a damage buff if they stuck by us on empowering rift.
Just like what you pointed out with the stasis combos, I just watched a guy solo RON with a solar warlock, he has movment, dps ad control and INSANE healing, restoration x2 to be exact and the uptime he had on that was just ridiculous.
This was likely a combination of Sunbracers for the ad control and healing and starfire for DPS. Starfire is now a dead exotic after the nerfs. Sunbracers requires a lot of work to use properly and is only this powerful in solo content. Your average player can not do this.
I agree with pretty much everything said in the video, but tbh, Fallen Sunstar is one of the best overall exotics for warlock, and when you say warlock should be ability focused, Fallen Sunstar makes it that way. I am able to throw pulse grenades so quickly, the previous one doesn't run out before I throw another one. As for rifts, I am able to stack them consistently. And having constant access to amplified and speed boost really does help on the movement side of things.
You can do that in normal difficulty content sure, but nobody cares about normal content because everything falls over from just looking at it. Bring that into a GM without this season's artifact mods and see what happens.
This video is sarcasm right? I mean warlocks are the best class, whether it’s sr, solo content or general end game content warlocks are the dominant choice.
It really isn’t, the cool downs are a huge factor when it comes to this class, Warlocks are an ABILITY base character. Take that away then they’re pretty much not useful whatsoever, even well doesn’t feel like we do much, maybe it does but in my opinion it doesn’t because since we’ve been given new perks to help us boost damage or support capabilities well is just a niche thing.
The class identity stuff I absolutely get. Devour on hunter/titan, arc web, healing grenade, threadlings being bad, etc. Some points to add: burst glide has the fastest horazontal movement of all jumps when not under a ceiling or scrolling except blink.(my brother was so surprised at much lower the burst was on catapult lift since he is used to burst glide) While solar doesnt have the identity of healing, the subclass is one of the best in the game with massive buffs to grenades(nearly 3x for fusions), melee regenertion(heat rises), the best movement in the game and a very powerful super especially for soloing(and then another that isnt that bad). Rift is stupidly bad in some cases but simply buffing linger duration, radius, cooldown(especially empowering), damage and/or animation speed would work Penumbral blast was an easier nerf to make because it didnt involve nerfing verbs but instead one ability The arc supers need love but chaos reach first needes to let go off the senitivity loss so can act more like a roaming super and be less helpless Tangles in general are not usefull for builds anywhere(not just warlock) because using an orb(thread of warding is better for getting woven mail than into the fray) or your weapon is thousands of times better. Much like diamond lance, gunpowder gamble and glacial harvest, tangles dont need a cooldown(longer than ~3) seconds I agree partially but on titan I also kind of feel it and im starting to think that people overestimate how good other classes stuff are and think they are majorly missing out.
Finally someone else that notices these things. In fact I think you’re even taking it easy in regards to some aspects of warlocks. Good vid though it makes things clear for people that don’t know
After being a warlock main now since dark below… I have seen a lot of rises and falls with the class. Dawnblade was in a decent spot, but still a bit under appreciated up until Solar 3.0 mainly due to dawn chorus giving bottom tree dawnblade some more viability in end game/raids. I remember all the nerfs we had to our abilities, and all my friends wonder why I’m mad at how warlocks are in the game now. They are maining Titan and Hunter, but the one guy they have always on warlock (me) is mad that I only have one clear choice to run in any activity being Well. I wish I could run other supers, but they aren’t in a spot to be used over well. As was stated, all of the exotics lately have been niche exotics. Match your subclass with this to get increased damage, or use your air dodge to reload weapons… where Hunters get Star Eater’s that is a huge super buff, and titans get Falling Star for their best super for burst damage. We have been shafted repeatedly, yet the other classes don’t seem to understand how much we have been over the years. Removing our identity and trying to force us to be more gun focused like hunters, and they wonder why more warlocks are moving to Hunter. We don’t have an identity, we don’t have any variety in our gear. Especially now with the new helmet being for trace rifles. Bungie is pretty much saying “You’re the one using div and well, deal with it.” It isn’t fair to us warlocks to have to sit back while titans can grenade spam better than us, and hunters can have obscene damage numbers. But our best super without any artifact mods is still bottom of the board in general. Bungie needs to reassess what it is to be a warlock. We were not the gun fighters, or the close quarter shooters. We were the ability users that could heal our allies with a grenade, the ones that could always have uptime on our devour melee, the ones that could set the world on fire… now we have none of that as a class. Titans and Hunters do it better after all.
Thank. You. I’m so tired of trying to explain this to my friends who don’t main warlock. My best friend is a stubborn titan main who always makes fun of warlock jump and warlocks being made to use well and warlock abilities in general and it’s all in good fun but sometimes it makes me mad because he doesn’t understand When I leveled my titan and played to get a solo ghosts of the deep clear, it was genuinely shocking how much more survivability you have on SOLAR TITAN, without loreley, than solar warlock, the healing class It’s so unfair. I’m sick of it. We’re the ability class but titans and hunters get to spam abilities for free while we don’t. We don’t have an intrinsic way to spam melees, both classes do. I’ll run well in raids but it’s getting to the point where I’m going to refuse. I want to run stasis. Not well. But because I’m a warlock I’m expected to 🙃
@@spymaster1You should check out a Snap/phoenix dive sunbracers build while you still can. Well is still boring but at least in between damage phases is somewhat entertaining... at least until Bungie nerfs that too.
@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 Oh, I have been! it's super fun. a little boring because it's just another grenade slam setup but I do enjoy it. i've actually been using dawn chorus lately, constant ignitions with conditional finality and incandescent weapons is fun
I do wholeheartedly agree on Stasis points Imo the harvest cooldown isnt necessary anymore and on that note - stasis abilities having longer base cooldowns than other abilities - that is something that should also be gone for good for every class, not just warlocks. The game has powecrept way past the point where that was needed. Strand is a great example here, it has smaller cooldowns, an entire fragment that literally gives grenades for free and Strand in general is essentially doing the thing that stasis was supposed to be good at but better. Unlimited crowd control for virtually no cost or effort
I've been feeling this more and more, I like where the new strand aspect is going, but its incredibly weak and frustrating as it is now. Sunstar and osmiomancy are the only 2 new exotics that i actually use. Not to mention the newest exotic locking warlocks to use well and div basically permanently.
just a suggestion but i think we should get a hive magic class for all subclasses for example give warlocks the ability to summon thralls on the death of enemies and the grenades being poison over time the titan getting a hive knight shield and sword as a roaming super and the tip of the sword spreads poison and the hunter getting a blade barrage type super but it being knives that emit poison over time like thorn or osteo
as a main of all 3 classes who just plays whatever fits/is best warlocks are the best class for 90% of the game - Best dps - Best support - Best ad clear - (one of the) Best pvp subclasses - Fastest "class favouritism" isnt a thing, sometimes your favourite class wont be given as much love as other classes because they NEED that love to stay viable and keep up with warlocks tl;dr theres a reason that a lot of the best players play warlock:)
All it takes bungie to do is to nerf sunbraces and warlocks will be trash tier. Starfire is already non-viable. All supers suck, expect the well, which is 100% mandatory in master level content.
@@ejpdchsbmkijley In what way warlocks are top dps? Their supers suck, aside from the well, which is just bad design from bungie. Like half of the hunters supers are better for DPS than warlocks.
i always thought that they shoud have created the classes based on a triangle with the 3 aspects covering that triangle on each corner, those being ability - defense - speed. in the ability corner with medium speed and defense is the warlock great with abilities with fast cool downs and with medium agility and medium defense and a health pool somewhere in between titan and hunter (acting as support and all around class). in the defense corner with low ability and low agility you have the titan but has more health and stronger shields (acting as a tank class able to take more damage and do extreme damage at very slow ability cool downs). then in the agility corner for the hunter focusing more on ambush based skills and ranged attacks and is able to quickly get around but takes more damage due to having lower defense and a lower health pool and has medium ability cool downs. the way that bungie looks at it is thast they want all classes to be exactly balanced which isn't possible (Warlock classes aparently getting screwed over at every turn) and then focusing on gunplay with time to kill in PvP lowering and ability usage almost worthless in PvP thats basicly warlocks out the window in PvP (they were originally ment to be a PvE support and ability usage focused class and that has been slowly tacken from them).
Year 1 armor had a similar effect to the triangle you’re mentioning (also, because discipline, strength, and intellect weren’t in the game then lol) warlocks mainly had restoration armor, titans had resilience, and hunters had mobility
As a titan main yea to *everything you said* for the most part but bungie seems to have forgotten what the classes are now warlocks especially. I doubt thing will get better for yall anytime forward
Even though us Warlocks had a one shot Melee on Stormcaller in PvP, your hitbox would still be there when you activate the Melee ability while sliding across the floor, just like when you’re jumping with Blink on so a Shotgun or a Spike Grenade Launcher user can one shot you if they react fast enough
We HAD the one shot melee, but the other classes cried about it and got it nerfed. And yet the community seems fine with knockout and infinite throwing knives. I don’t understand it
Preach brotha. You forgot to mention that we have the least dmg supers in all classes, maybe thats why everyone was on starfire to actually be able to do something useful during dps, bungie typically killed the solution while ignoring the problem.
They’re incredibly versatile and powerful for both crucible and pve. That’s it,that’s the truth,this video is a dude whining about how warlock has no identity. Stasis warlock=freeze everything Strand warlock=strand babies Void warlock=EXPLOSIONS and area control Arc warlock=movement and lighting all over the place(good but definitely needs reworks) Solar warlock=everything burns and explodes,all teammates heal. They’re still the only class with rifts and the best endgame abilities(except for arc warlocks)
I agree with most of what you say here, as a hunter pvp player I knew warlock was the least loved class for pvp but I had no idea how hamstringed they were in pve as well. For the dawnblade buff, instead of more duration, why not make it kills refund duration for the swing almost entirely, nerfed effect in pvp, or only ignition kills with the blade explosion refund energy, add clear. If you need it to be good against bosses just add a fragment or aspect called god slayer that makes the supers do bonus damage against bosses or benefits for hitting bosses
as weak as i think warlocks have gotten (outside of a couple outliers like well and needlestorm) you are INSANE if you think warlocks have the weakest movement
Prior solar 3.0 we also had the ability to make ennemies affected by our abilities explode, which is not possible anymore as they just gave everyone ignitions, and we once again lost our advantage because we are the worst class to make ignition happen.
Bungie's response, probably: "Understood, buffing enemy HP by 1 million and nerfing Saint-14 helmet and Sealed Ahamkaras Grasp" Edit: "Patch notes: we are now reducing all glimmer and purple shard drops, you now must run 900000 activities to gain 300 glimmer and 90purple shards each"
> Mantle Harmony bad > Assembler Bad Oof. Off to a bad start >Fails to mention that Warlock Witch Queen Exotics are untouched while both Hunter and Titan Exotics were hit. 🤔 > Arc and Solar 3.0 were lackluster for Warlocks Left unsaid: “…Please ignore Touch of Flame, and Amplified buffing Arc souls” > Rain of Fire Bad > Sunstar Bad > “… Well ok, they are good, but only in “”””Very specific circumstances””””” I don’t even know what to say to this. Lunafactions is only useful for very specific circumstances, yet it is a top pick. Cuirass is only useful for once every few minutes Just because something is niche doesn’t make it not potent. >Architect was supposed to be a summoner class. It’s ok in that regard, but why not point out that it does suspend on a a similar level as Titan? >Icarus dash is the only warlock movement ability? Skating and blink? > Rift isn’t potent because other things do the same thing. Stasis can build a wall with crystals, does that make Titan Barricade useless. Rift is supposed to be a way to create a mini power position. Disappointed in the video
They are. Assemblers were gutted not too long ago from the release and there days are almost unusable. Mantle is only good for regenerating super a little bit faster and that's it. The damage buff it gives it not worth anything.
I want a Solar Aspect that brings back Divine Protection.
The ability to convert our offensive Grenades into Healing Grenades on the fly would be a huge boon.
They should’ve done that instead of making a healing grenade so it pushes warlocks for onto the healing side of solar and less on dps/damage
@@Blue-qt8ms
I blame Titans and Hunters needing to have access to them for Bungo's lazy and bad choice.
Same with the nerf to Ionic Traces and Benevolent Dawn.
I wouldn't mind the other two classes having access to them if it weren't for the fact it nerfs the Warlock's kit.
The existence of Healing Grenades are fine letting Hunters and Titans have a choice of survivability or offense but Warlock's should have kept access to be able to have both available at the same time.
Also they deleted part of the Warlock "IdEnTiTy" by not letting us convert our Grenade into something else like every other sub-class. Handheld Supernova, Bleakwatchers, Arksouls (via Getaway Artists which should've just been built in to Arclock), and Threadlings. Solar now being the ONLY sub-class without that identity.
@@godknightomegayou're completely wrong, solar 3.0 let's you consume your grenade for heat rises.
@@coinisinorbit
No, I am correct.
Heat Rises isn't converting our Grenade into something else, it just allows for Solar Warlock to floof about a bit longer.
It doesn't do what the other sub-classes do which makes the Grenade something disconnected from the Warlock itself.
It's not an amp'd Grenade like Handheld Supernova with Void. From a magnetic sticky Grenade into a short range blastwave.
It's not an Arc Soul like with Getaway Artists with Arc. That should've just been baked into the kit but that's just my opinion. Still it turn the Grenade from a chuckable Grenade to a shoulder Turret.
It's not a room lock down turret, the Bleakwatcher like with Stasis. Turning a chuckable Grenade from their normal function into a Turret.
And it's not a homing creature, the Threadling when the Grenade is charged like with Strand. Turning a Grenade that drops up to 3 Threadlings whilst airborne into a Brood nestled on the Warlock's shoulder.
You know what WAS similar to all the aforementioned Grenades from the other sub-classes? Divine Protection.
That's the part of the "ClAsS iDeNtItY" that was taken out.
@@coinisinorbit heat rises is ass though.
I hope the strand actually gets a summoner feel. Or add new summons that can produce more threadlings. The Broodweaver needs more love and the class as a whole.
It's already an obviously summoner class. What do you mean?
@@AOPrinciple a lack luster one where the meta strand is necrotic grips and osteo striga with suspend.
@@blandera8919 Sure, the broodweaver isn't entirely one-dimensional, but you can't deny that the class is structured in a way that strongly encourages you to go the summoner route; all 3 aspects either involve threadlings significantly or focus on them exclusively. The fact that the combo of a pre-existing exotic and a grenade ability is viable for difficult content doesn't change that. What kind of changes would you like?
@@AOPrinciple Ideas for new warlock strand aspects:
1) Taking the stasis turret route, but instead this stationary summon will spawn more threadlings where it lands, enabling you to somewhat control where the threadlings are.
2) Use an ability to get a few on-demand perched threadlings, with extra for the threadling grenade.
3) Infect an enemy with enough threadlings to turn it into a more tanky strand summon, standing roughly by you at all times.
@blandera8919 sorry to break it to you but there is another exotic called verity's bow and it really good
Specially since we have strand weapons
Got a GL and AR with hatching perk and let me tell you it destroyed everything
And you get your grenade back fast
You can summon all you want
I’m not a warlock main but I had a neat idea of the wandering tangle aspect that it would be cool if when you made a tangle it automatically just started flying around suspending, like the winterbite projectile. That might be op but something that made it feel more like a summon or enhanced tangle.
Yes this is what ive been saying, let the tangle auto track to seek out enemies. Let it "wander" to a target, stick to it and explode. Simple and useful in both pve and pvp
Yeah the new aspect for warlock is so sad..it feels unpolished
They will nerf suspend eventually. It's just way too overpowered. An aspect like this would be dope.
@@Lorentz_Driverwatch them nerf Stasis again instead lol
Eh, nova bomb tracking makes me think just making the tangle, if thrown by anyone, have the effects. Otherwise your wanderer is gonna decide the dreg currently falling off the map is the highest priority target...
As a lover of Stormcaller, only now that we have all these crazy artifact perks in Season of the Deep does it really feel like the best option for some encounters. Only pain point is survivability considering that rift is the only healing and the long cast animation on rift. That overshield on ionic trace pickup idea would be so nice, or any kind of update to help you stay alive really. I wish the artifact perks could be permanent fixes, at least one or two of them.
aw your build is only working for survivability scenarios and doesn't add much value to the team? such a bummer. welcome to how hunters have felt since mmmm idk day fucking 1
@@cookeez7010 Jesus chill tf out
@@bradyellison7230 nah homie is speaking facts ,imagine having no way of healing
@@highfivemistertorque4537 Bungie gave devour and healing nades to all classes since... Idk, 3.0 update I guess?
@@cookeez7010 Hunters have the arc melee ability that heals on kills, increases your damage, resets your dodge cooldown, and turns your punches into arc damage which spawns orbs that can heal you with a single mod on the boots. Warlocks are the only class that can't get elemental melee
I feel more like a summoner on arc with arc soul than on strand.
As a warlock main, i can just agree with everything you said. I feel the same way, we lost our identity and Bungie doesn't care at all.
So true
What hurts even more, is a lot of people tell us to stfu up. We just want fair treatment, why is that so hard?
@@elitejt8388 For real man they're like "Man radiance is op bla bla bla warlock too strong wtf" yeah ofc I enjoy playing 1 Subclass for hours just to use a super for YOU, makes sense...
@@benoitgarin6477 you legit couldn't say it any better I f*ckin hate using solarlock for 80% of content
@@herrscher1904 and when you DARE play something else to have some fun, they yell at you because they want their fucking well. Just play warlock ? Or stfu.
Don't mean to sound like a broken record, but imo this all started with the introduction of well of radiance since Before that it was pretty clear that warlocks were space wizards and after that the role got more focused on being support. As a warlock since D1 I think this is the moment it all started going down hill since after that all major dps abilities got either nerfed or simply outpaced as the game moved forward with little to no buffs since the mentality of "You're gonna be on well anyway" became so prevalent in the community. Also 100% agree with your 3.0 reworks point. I think it needed to happen, but I expected for warlocks to get something in return, like idk but "whatever you can do the other now do as well but you don't get to do what they do doesn't feel fair. while I do enjoy the elemental companions I think they were poorly implemented for the most part, bleak watcher was like the beta and it works well and CHOG was good on void release, however it went down hill from there solar didn’t even get one and arc soul was so ass it had to be buffed TWICE to be the equivalent of a second primary weapon. Strand was marketed as the summoner class is the only one of the subclasses that made the summon universal and I think that’s what is holding back threadlings since if they made then useful to the extent of CHOG or bleak watcher the other 2 loose identity.
One day they'll nerf well of radiance for sure, enjoy it while it lasts.
@@IlPinguonautathey already did, it no longer provides a overshield and you can easily break the well of radiance by sneezing on the sword. It's already been gutted in pvp, the only thing that well has going for it is when you're playing against incompetent players
That's legit how it is. Warlocks don't feel like an individual class anymore, we're just collectively called "the well of radiance guys" because that's all we're known for nowadays. It doesn't even matter how good the other subclasses are (and they aren't anyways, the new strand aspect is legit ass), they'll forever live in the shadow of solar so long as well exists. The day well gets nerfed, it's gonna make a lot of people mad, but I genuinely believe it'll only prove to be a good thing for the class as a whole.
This exactly i couldnt have said it better. Ive been saying this for awhile now they turned locks into medics. Ive been considering swapping to another class because of this. I dont have time to play multiple classes. Feels bad
Honestly, I would happily give up Well of Radiance if it meant the devs would see Warlocks as players too. Fire me as a space babysitter so I can actually be a space wizard. If they are going to give away our identity, then please give away our support obligation as well. Let buffing be a team obligation so Warlocks can BE something.
the way it seems to me lately is that warlock is extremely potent its just that you have to work 10x harder than the other classes to get there
Especially in PvP. You need all the skill and perfection in game as a warlock just to survive a decent titan player thats strapped on antaeus wards or some other broken meta exotic of theres.
Here to feed the algorithm beast so mlre people can see these truths. I've been a warlock main sense D1 like a lot of people here, and i do agree with you. I tend to take long breaks from the game as i really only play warlock and i wind up not having too much fun. Doesnt help that im a solo player aswell and i dont want to deal with lfg
I agree with everything except the axing of Lightning Surge for warlock, and I believe the only reason I feel that way is because it’s the most unique animation a warlock has and is something that does Titan levels of add clear, IF IT HITS
Wanderer: When you spawn a tangle it is replaced with a sentient tangle that roams the battlefield lashing out at enemies with strand tentacles dealing damage in addition to severing and unraveling targets. After 10 seconds it detonates. Your tangles have their internal cooldown reduced by 5 seconds.
Which, compared to the classes, this looks like complete ass. Like, titan: awesome melee jump, hunter: useful and badass fake hunter from dodgeing warlock: throw the ball. K bye
@@arnifenrenso2940 This was just my suggestion to make it better than a Tangle that simply has slightly better tracking and a Suspend effect--whcih is incredibly weak and vanilla.
That is......actually an amazing idea. I love it.
@@hmx8694 Thanks!
As an exclusive warlock player: Thank you for validating what I have felt about Warlocks for YEARS. Thanks to devour, Void 3.0 is the only subclass where I feel like I am actually empowered to get my hands dirty. Every other subclass involves fully meme-ing a single gimmick, conflicting incentives, and arbitrary limits. I chose Warlock because I wanted to be a goddamn space wizard, but I have been relegated to the role of a space babysitter. Even the newest exotics are designed for Warlocks to support with the trace rifle: mark targets to generate ammo for allies and give them woven mail. I'm tired of being forced to sit back and watch my friends have all the crazy fun with cool abilities and verb interactions. It's getting to the point where I'm simply not interested in reading patch notes, updates, and new exotics anymore. At this point, I am willing to give up Well of Radiance entirely if it means Devs will see Warlocks as actual players rather than glorified space bards.
couldn’t have said it better, i don’t mind playing the support role, but bungie has pushed us so far into that role that very rarely we can run those god tier builds like bonk hammer
Absolutely. It's frustrating that in a raid, I always feel subpar cause I'm relegated to Well+DivBitch
i completely agree man. void tbh is the only somewhat empowering class on warlock and even then it no longer feels special cuz devour, warlocks void specific speciality, was given to all classes. not to say this is bad, but like he said in the video, bungie is just giving titans and hunters warlocks identities and abilities, wiping the whole reason to play warlock for any given reason.
you guys do realize you don't have to be the well+div guy in everything right? Does well and div make raids way easier most of the time? yes, but lets not pretend stasis, arc, and strand warlocks neutral game's aren't ridiculously strong and strand warlocks super is straight up one of the best dps supers. Being expected to bring well and div because others don't want to is annoying but you don't have to. Make your friends pick up their slack and play the build you want. Warlock definitely needs some buffs but it's not anywhere near as bad as y'all are making it sound
Void is whack, feed the void is basically just echo of starvation but you have to give up an aspect so any sensible player only uses 2 aspects
I don't like how Warlocks have become the buddy subclass. Void buddy, Arc buddy, throw the Stasis buddy, release the Strand buddies etc. That's why Strand also doesn't feel like a summoner class to me, because it's not unique enough in that regard.
Also, as a PVP enjoyer, the buddie's AIs and inconsistencies could really need some adjustments.
i haven’t paid all that much attention to the state of warlocks for a while now, and being a warlock main myself i completely agree with everything you’ve covered.
Hey folks, thanks for swinging by and offering your opinions on this video so far. I'm very surprised to see how this exploded as much as it did. I'm not going to micro-manage all of the comments as it pertains to feedback for or against and have instead put down a discussion point in my community section which goes over the most common criticisms and my responses to them. I'll be glad to engage in civil discussion here and there as we go on.
My upcoming video review of Season of Defiance and thoughts on Season of the Deep in 2-3 weeks will come back to this video and offer some more insights on it.
Thanks again!
A note on you thinking that sun star and rain of fire are bad. Rain of fire is a very sleeper pick for PvP, and is extremely op when used correctly, and it’s just good for fast reloads on damage. Sunstar just makes arc warlock completely broken with arc souls and I think both exotics are really good, especially rain of fire which is slept on. I recommend trying sunstar and rain of fire, they’re both actually good.
I played all the classes (havent played for a year tho) and what i can say is: Just use other exotics...
They may not be broken, but most still offer value and interesting gameplay loops.
Use the 2 melee charge arms with the melee charge auto rifle and spam arc bolts.
Use Vesper of radius with a sword that recharges you class ability and arc souls/void soul.
Use the speedrun boots with sweet business.
etc.
This game has so much to offer yet people only use the most powerful stuff.
Most PvE is easy
As for class favouritism i do agree on some parts but you just see the broken parts because thats what people use.
@@sandburgbilly381 yeah Rain of fire is great for dps with weapons that have a longer reload time, also great for run and gunning when you're trying to speedrun things. Fallen sunstar is also fantastic.
New Arc-Warlock identity: Hold the W key
The aspect Warlocls get: Stand in rift stationary to get arc soul buff
you don't need to stay to have the arc soul. it's there for 15 sec, most builds have a new rift to resummon arc soul by then.
@@bragekv9937 okay but like. hunters class ability is mobile. titans got a mobile class ability for arc. would it have been that hard to give warlocks like, the surge melee attack as a replacement for the class ability instead?
And warlocks lost the mobility intrinsic with their arc kit when they killed electrostatic mind for arc 3.0.
@@Ahnock”why can’t I have 3 damaging abilities instead of 2 like every other class/subclass”
Moron
To TLDR this:
While warlock CAN dive deep into subclass fantasies, It's significantly more difficult to do so without full build commitment. Hunter and Titan have completely insane combos baked into thier subclass kits. For two examples hunters are able to infinitely dodge and jolt melee targets on arc, and void Titans are able to infinitely chain volatile explosions that heal not only them but the entire team
How can hunters infinitely jolt melee and dodge?
@@councilfraun9300gamblers dodge and combination blow
@@councilfraun9300 dodge near enemies to get melee energy and one of your aspects makes arc melee kills recharge dodge. you literally just have to read the aspects and slot whatever fragments feel like they make sense for what you're trying to do because the aspects hard carry and it only gets stronger if you pair it with something like liar's handshake
Volatile was void titan's identity and ironically gyrfalcon hunter is the one that can do it better than anyone else right now.
I understand what everyone is saying but being warlock mains make you all think this is a problem that affects only warlocks while actually the whole game is in shambles
@@rhn4710 I'd still say titan is the best volitile class but it's a matter of perspective and preference. All classes on some level have had their identities dumbed down or nerfed into the ground in one way or another but truth be told this game will never be truly balanced. Bungie has made it clear their idea of fun reigns above all else till the complaints are unanimous or pretty close to everyone complaining about something in particular regardless of it actually being a balancing issue. The community needs to stop fighting eachother before we can actually get some decent change that we ask for in destiny
That’s how I felt since returning. The fact that others could do what some of what Warlock does stripped it of its class identity
I mained Middle Tree Stormcaller because of Ionic Traces and Pulsewave. So finding out EVERYONE got Ionic Traces and Pulsewave was removed just ruined it for me. Middle Tree Storm had some of the best Neutral Game capabilities.
Here’s another way to get people off starfire protocol, give us a super that actually works for boss damage so we don’t have to run well, I’ve had 4 warlocks in raids and everyone’s got well cause why bother with the other supers, they don’t do damage or are too risky due to hitting the wrong thing and wiping the team, Rivins eyes for example
This is the big one for me, I don't doubt that Starfire was super strong before the nerf, but after seeing Aztecross' Super DPS testing before and after the buffs it became even more obvious why it was used so much, before the buff Titans had 2 supers that could output almost around 900k-1M damage and in the case of stasis it could effectively do that damage to everything on a room while freezing them constantly by spamming heavy attack, then there was a fairly big drop off drop off with 3rd best doing less than 700k which was still also titan Hunters could doo just over 600K which is a good 30% decrease from best Titan, Warlocks? not even 500k literally half the damage of Titans, post buff, Titans now go over 1M, hunters between 800-900K Warlocks 700-750k at best, which is an improvement in getting them a bit more in line with each other, but then you actually look at what those supers are, again Titan huge AoE, Hunter smaller, but still AoE, Warlock best are Meme beam at around 750k which is single target and Dawnblade at 700k which is a bit of a weird one as it tracks meaning you don't have 100% control over what you hitting, if there are ads near or between you and the boss, there's a good change half your projectiles will hit the ads instead massively lowering that damage, so its like yeah, Starfire is strong but that's accentuated by the fact that everything else was, and kinda still is, trash in comparison to the other two classes, on top of this to actually get that super high damage on Starfire build required a specific exotic, a demo rocket and witherhoard, so that's Super, Power Ammo, Special Ammo, Specific Exo Armor, Specific Exo weapon and fairly specific Power weapon, there wasn't much room for adjustment without losing a lot of damage orrrr... you could just be a hunter in lucky pants with Malfeseance and do over 1M in 1 phase against templar... so that's Exo Primary weapon and Exo armor, no super, no special or heavy ammo, no setup outside of readying the weapon.
On a slightly different note, the changes to the armor giving some built in 4x surge also feels rough on warlock, Bakris gives it for dodging non hunter, which is like a 10s cooldown, so basically always up and makes invisible and invulnerable during the dodge, It requires stasis subclass but buffs both stasis and Arc, so potentially 100% uptime on all weapons having 25% damage boost for almost no cost and a lot of safety, Titans, eternal warrior build the surge up by chaining Arc kills (so again basically free as you'll be killing stuff anyway and is very easy for Titans to do on Arc) and gives max stacks coming out of super, Path of burning steps is basically the same but for solar, Warlocks have Mantle of battle harmony which requires you to NOT use your super and get a kill to get the damage buff for 10s, now I can see there's an argument to be made that mantle gets you your super quicker to begin with but is it worth using for a 25% damage buff and holding your super while also needing a kill to proc for 10s, when you could stick with 3 surge mods for 22% damage basically all the time assuming use of time dilation etc and that doesn't require weapon to match subclass, or an exotic at all, I do use mantle a fair amount, but that's for one of two reasons, A build up super quick then hot swap ( so not even using the damage buff) or for an ager's Scepter build primarily to extend the duration of Alt. fire in which case I'm going to run surges anyway because yanno, it drains the super so again no damage buff, the only time it does get the buff is when i dont need the bigger damage Alt mode and at that point its just upping me from 22% from mods to 25% from exotic, yes it doesn't require armor change etc. but charge isnt difficult to get, a teammates pops a super and you've probably got plenty of orbs , mantle has you to stop shooting the boss and kill an Add with subclass matching weapon every now assuming everyone else hasnt just melted all the adds with there supers because they're allowed to use them without hurting there damage, so to boost damage vs boss you need to stop shooting the boss? I feel like the kill to proc requirement is a little much, is 25% damage boost strong? yes, is the cost of effectively not having a super a fair trade off, possible in some cases given half our supers are trash damage anyway, but making it require a kill every 10s during DPS reduces the the amount of cases where it could be useful again, again, compare this to hunter, who just has to dodge and get invis and invulnable on top and potentially reloading there weapons with gamblers dodge or which ever dodge it is, so easy to use with or without ads, no killing requires, the Titan one generally requires chaining kills so not great for busses, unless its eternal in which case pop super, get max stacks on super end, then shoots the boss until dead, warlocks is get a kill, shoot the boss until lowish then try and guess when to pop super for the kill, with is similar but if you pop early the boss doesn't die and you've got no damage buff, pop too late and half your super is basically wasted as the boss is already dead which yeah there dead for final stands and stuff that could really F you over when you're edgeing the super pop only to realise shit I waited too long we now wipe or shit a went early, we not wipe, basically requires popping at the perfect time to make the damage worth it, especially and Mantle does literally nothing else, no quick thaw like burning path, no invis + invul like Bakris, just more super energy in order to get a slightly higher damage buff for 10s +4s for each kill afterwards build up a over what you can get for picking up 1 OoP with normal surge mods which last longer even without time dilation IIRC which don't restrict the use of your super or subclass and lasts 10s per orb minimum and potentially 18s per orb with time dilation meaning pick up 3 orb, you now have 2 mins of surge on whatever weapon type you want plus potential stat buffs from armor charge aswell, to get that with mantle youd need to kill, what? 30ish enemies in fairly quick succession and I don't even know if the buff can stack up to 2 min so might require you to top it up constantly.
The weird part is from what I've heard Warlock is the most popular class amongst the Devs, which makes me wonder if its actually the opposite of class favouritism and theys made the other classes particularly so players dont just say" oh bungie devs all play x that's why its the strongest" but have gone a little too far and made warlock feel a little lackuster and have kinda lost there identity a lot of the time minus a few specific cases like starfire and sunbracers, well, i guess now its only the latter.
Buff chaos reach just enough that you gotta run Gravimag Stabilizers to make it viable. It's frustrating to see the longest lasting "burst" super not even hold a candle to that of hunter and titan supers. Endgame meta will always revolve around boss dps. As fun as it is, I'm tired of using Witherhoard with Starfire for every single boss.
@@smallestgoober9399 yeah, feel like base level supers should all be viable (especially given there will be newer players who don't own certain exotics so you've basically just said to them, nah you cant use this super because you aren't wearing X or Y) and you the exotic should take it to the next level, especially for geomag given its only use is the super compared to most other exotics which will be useful most if not all the time, maybe if they gave Geomag some neutral game usage it wouldn't be so bad but having an exotic that is only useful for a super obviously leads to hot swapping armor when you want to super then immediately switching off afterwards which is awkward, right now there's no reason not to run for e.g mantle, build up super, swap out to geo, super, then back to mantle to build next super, obviously not ideal but its still better than pure Geomag and I Doubt the devs want people to be constantly swapping gear mid activity just to be able to do mediocre damage, swapping between encounters, yeah fair enough, but mid boss fight? almost certainly not
Chaos reach is now doing good damage, same with Dawn blade, the buffs they received made them very good, damage doesn’t come from supers anymore, they mostly come from god roll weapons and exotics than buff your ability spam
@@Snotzalotz gathering storm and thunder crash not withstanding, and both take a quarter of the time to fire compared to both dawnblade and chaos reach
Warlock has 0 chance to keep up with dps cause warlocks get locked into cast animation and nova bomb may as well be a fucking grenade at this rate with its damage
While hunter and titan can be shooting said weapons that do more damage then supers while also having the super damage going
As a Titan player who hasn't played Warlock since Shadowkeep....I had no idea Warlocks were getting shafted so hard. Hopefully things turn around for you guys.
Thank you for your support, friend. It is appreciated.
About time tbh warlocks where overused last season
warlocks have been meta for a while now hes just flat out wrong
@@Bloodbeast327 ik warlock mains don’t know nerfs, hunters and titans take the brunt of it most of the time.
@@fang4853 If warlocks don't get nerfed, and we're still complaining, wouldn't that suggest that our stuff arrives underpowered constantly and simply gets ignored instead of buffed or reworked? We can't ALL be "mad cuz bad", right?
I think it would be cool if the swarmers doubled the amount of threadlings you could on top of what it already does
And Threading final blows give you Woven Mail.
Average bitchy warlock: “I think my already strong exotic should be buffed to be overpowered”
Warlocks can already dupe their threadlings, (bug, may be fixed) not to mention imagine casually sending out 16 fucking threadlings from casting your rift…
I hope this gets more views. 100% agree on your assessment of the state of this class.
Not that many Warlock mains, even fewer are the ones with the awareness to know that Warlock has problems
@@Kreau every class has problems, doesn’t mean Warlock still isn’t the most meta class in the game
@@Snotzalotz if your definition of meta is well bitch, then I have some news for you...
Also usage stats disagree, I can say with 70% certainty that you are a Titan because of how dominant and prevalent they are in the PvP population :)
@@TheFriendlyInvader complaining about "well bitching" is insane when it literally takes pressing a single button on the best pve subclass in the entire game lol
@@Krvnchy After which I do... Approximately nothing, really the gameplay isn't exactly engaging and it turns both myself and any teammates in the general vicinity into braindead apes who would rather enter a DPS race than actually work with the mechanics of whatever encounter they're currently doing.
You want to see broken? Look at thundercrash Titan, you also press a single button for the highest DPS super in the game, and you actually do damage, as well as having a really good neutral kit on Arc Titan.
As for your claims that well is the best PvE subclass, that's fucking nonsense, unless your idea of "best subclass" is legitimately just sitting in a corner waiting for well to charge for like 20 seconds of DPS, and doing fuck all otherwise. There's no synergy, the neutral abilities are weak, and the overall gameplay flow is absolutely dogshit on solar warlock, especially compared to the Arc, Void, and even Stasis kits the class offers in PvE. Solar sits firmly at the bottom, even under Strand, which is an accomplishment you really have to work for.
Warlock main since d1. Although I feel like stormcaller is in a somewhat good spot, I agree with you on dawnblade and strand. I just want it to go back the the good old days when I could train fire down from the sky on everyone. That table aspect needs to be completely scrapped and made into something to feed threadling generation, which also needs some type of an identity buff. I just feel like it gets lost in the whole suspend everything and shoot crowd.
More survivability, and less reliance on exotics for ability regen for arc, and I think we are golden. Warlocks should be able to get amazing ability regen on warlock without needing to put on those two exotics. Maybe melee or grenade regen from killing jolted targets. Just more regen on top of the electrostatic mind
@@elitejt8388 I’ve been playing Stormcaller without either Crown of Tempests or Fallen Sunstar and been getting so much ability energy that I usually have abilities back right when I need them, shortly after using them. Often times I have a new rift up before the old one’s even gone.
Dawn blade is good?! Use Dawn chorus and Dawn blade and you’ll easily hit for 600k on your super.. not to mention it’s one of the best supers in PvP and has by far the best movement in the game..
arc warlock sucks in anything but pub stomping.
Starting this video being a Warlock main had me feeling like i just walked into the kitchen and my parents are preparing to have an intervention w me! 😅
I knew it was going to be a long one so I wanted to throw a little bit of a joke aspect in there at the beginning :D
One of the things that I hate about how Bungie is handling warlocks, especially as a warlock main, is that we are treated as a support class and have not gotten even half decent offensive abilities. Shadebinder Super is really meant for crowd control, Storm caller super is steal relatively weak as crowd control, both version of Nova Bombs still falls short even after they received, Broodweiver is just a worse Nova that solely relies on threadlings damage, and well is a shell of its former self and is almost a requirement for endgame content because everything else is dog water poopoo. Additionally I am so tired of receiving exotics Armor that only enforces you play a supportive role instead of offensive. A great example is the new Season of the Deep exotic helmet that is meant for trace rifles, and I don’t have an issue….. at least for the trace rifle portion. Where I start to have an issue is that when you mark a priority target and YOUR ALLIES get the final blow on bosses or champions, THEY GET HEAVY AMMO…….. BUT THE USER DOESNT. LIKE REALLY??!!!!!!!!!! If that is not supportive I don’t know what is. It’s time for some more offensive exotics and aspects THAT ARENT BLAND AND LACKLUSTER IN UTILITY.
I think some of this was harsh. Electrostatic mind is a very strong ability which gives us the easiest consistent access to ionic traces which provide quite a bit ability regen. When you combine that aspect with fragments to generate ionic traces, it is possible to get multiple ionic traces from a single enemy. Fallen sunstar bumps ion traces to a whopping 25% grenade and melee PER trace (so if you are combining this with spark of ions, you literally get half of your grenade back for killing a jolted target) in addition to giving nearby allies energy equivalent to a normal ionic trace. I agree with most of this tho. Solar 3.0 in particular was very cringey. 2 of the aspects being aerial felt like they only cared about top tree and pvp balance. Meanwhile they tried to cram both the healer fantasy AND pyromancer fantasy into touch of flame. Then what baffles me is that warlocks grenade charge abilities are good but none of them are meta defining/game breaking. Meanwhile touch of thunder is ridiculous and storm grenade took all the attention and lets pulse grenade casually recharge itself while doing insane damage
As a titan main I agree touch of the thunder is not a titan aspect
Touch of thunder and flame should be swapped.
My ideas on different class abilities based on elements
Void, "interdimensional warp": using your class ability warps you out of reality and reenter for a brief moment (like a dodge). Leaving the warp leaves behind a void breach for you and your fireteam to pick up
Solar, Radiant seekers: replaces your rift with a burst of noble seekers that hunt for fireteam members and yourself. They give the players 2 seconds of restoration and cure
Arc, amplification: replaces your rift with a temporary arc wave. Entering the wave grants damage reduction and amplification
Stasis, shatter fall: your rift is replaced with a animation. Your warlock waves the staff and slams it to the ground creating a pulse. The pulse gives you and allys a stasis overshield. The pulse also shatters any frozen enemies within range
Strand, The Swarm: based off the number of kills you summon the brood to fight for you. Your warlock does a animation and various waves of threadlings burst outward to fight for you.
Thats actually a fucking sick idea, just maybe give a bit of survivability to strand
That does sound cool!
But the void one is just blink with a void breach, no?
@@tuoritto Blink should be a dash ability anyway. It shouldn't be a jump. It should work like Icarus dash
@@astarielastra2190
Fair enough
Neeeeeed. That's much more of a warlock identity
First vid of yours I’ve watched, a Titan main (for transparency’s sake I guess?) I think it’s really easy for people to look at the uses of something like “top tree dawn” and say it’s broken because the 1% that play warlock and want to beat other classes on warlock HAVE to use it’s kit. Same thing for lightning surge cheese, etc. if you want to play warlock well you kinda only have 1 maybe 2 choices. You have a lot of good points and I hope people are able to look past the “warlock complain because they not titan/hunter” bullshit that most people pull.
Dunno how familiar you are with PvP, but the high end movement skill cap for all Classes is Warlock -> Hunter -> Titan and speed going Warlock -> Stompee Hunter -> Titan -> Hunter.
I played a lot of comp and scrimmed until Lightfall, and lemme tell you: Titans are broken in PvP, Stompees can give Hunters an edge to catch up with the Movement of Titans and Warlocks.
Also I play all classes equally if that helps to remove bias (maybe leaning towards Titan and Warlock I guess)
My comment was more related to overall strength of kit or it’s viability, and less about movement specifically.
A note on Arc Warlock: If you focus on grenade spam(pulse is my favorite), ionic trace generation, and have a decent Fallen Sunstar you can effectively spam your grenade, rift, and for what it's worth your charged melee (the charged melee needs a LOT of help here). The super ability options just suck across the board and that is sad.
Very true I'm using this build with cold heart very fun can't seem to get the catalyst to drop for cold heart so it very well could get better, this season I find chaos reach to be viable if I switch to geomags during bosses but I still either gonna run strand or solar for endgame content later down the road but in raids dungeons lower difficulty content yeah I'll use arc and void more
Chaos reach buffs have been very good? Especially with the seasonal mods, do some damage tests and you’ll see Warlock he very good supers apart from Nova bomb, that still absolutely sucks
@SnotturzZz agreed nova need another buff
@@Snotzalotz Yeah, same damage as insa cast blade barrage with 20 seconds cast time. It's trash.
@@Snotzalotz The exact reverse of your comment is true. The void subclass provides an easy way to weaken through the child of the old gods aspect, so nova bombs typically have higher potential damage with the right setup. Chaos reach on the other hand is reliant on a seasonal mod to get high damage numbers; next season it will go right back to being mediocre.
I’ve been getting the feeling they want warlocks to be just a support class. That feeling was solidified with the release of this new exotic helmet that’s obviously meant to be used with divinity.
They went from support-focused to support-only. When The Final Shape releases, I expect we won't be able to defeat orange bars without teammates help
Agreed. Tag enemies for your allies, give them heavy ammo. Tag allies to share woven mail. GOD FORBID A WARLOCK ACTUALLY KILL ANYTHING.
So Boots of the Assembler didn't give it away?
@@meekumanu got those before I was burnt out. Never considered the direction things were going in back then lol
While I like being a support warlock (medic, provider, or whatever else), the fact that I've been having a tougher time playing solo without proper builds to back it up kinda hurts the more I think about it.
Am I bad at the game playing solo? Thankfully no.
Are almost all of my builds made to either boost other people or keep them alive? Unfortunately yes.
Do those builds help me survive when I'm on my own? Not really.
I like being a team player, but I'd also like to demolish my enemies and clean-slate rooms like a titan or a hunter can.
I'd love a strand aspect that allows for different threadling units, maybe have it be something like a threadling has a chance to be a flying threadling unit that hits at range and can unravel targets, like an arc soul but it can fly around independently and doesn't just follow the player. Love that we have easier access to suspends now, but with the other 2 aspects being so unique, it does feel like we got the short end of the stick here.
I thought itd be cool for strand Warlocks to have an aspect where they completely modify a tangle and change it to an orbiting turret. It spins like a disco ball while shooting enemies while applying sever, then exploding applying unravel. Itd also be cool if you could grab the tangle and reposition it
@@Tivallia9010 I think each Subclass should have a Turret. Void Soul, Arc Soul and Stasis Turrets are cool and give good support. I LOVE Void Soul in pve. Solar should get one where you convert your grenade and you throw it in the middle of a room and it creates a field similar to that of Void Soul that scorches targets in the radius. Strand can get a turret similar to Arc Soul and when it's timer runs out it launches at the nearest target to explode and suspend.
As a warlock, all I do is get to a corner and pop a rift then move to the next corner and pop another rift. In a close quarters fight, there is zero escapability or finesse in the kit. Give warlocks actual mage abilities. Let me create a wall of fire, or summon hurricanes that shoves enemies or throw their aim off, or steal enemy abilities and use it against them (transcending subclasses), or have more control over neutral gameplay like devouring a grenade increases swiftness or ability uptime etc like we kinda used to have before 3.0.
The power fantasy is just not there. We aren’t the vampires that void promises, or the hurricane that arc promises, etc.
On top of all that, all our main attributes were given to other characters or completely removed, like floating with a solar grenade, converting it to a healing grenade, activating devour by consuming a grenade, bottom tree dawnblade completely removed etc.
As a warlock main, i agree with Phantom on these. also i would love to have the elemental rifts. Id have a tough choice between element and heal rift.
the rapid response to shadebinder melee while shatterdive and cryoclasm got left as is for most of the year kinda alerted me that something was off in Bungie's evaluation of Warlocks, but the release of solar 3.0 was just like a slap in the face to me as someone who actually liked running well of radiance before then. The removal of being able to convert charged grenades into healing grenades really hurt the whole support role of that subclass branch IMO, not to mention moving the melees that give what we would now call radiance to a fragment that all classes can get and the other two can chain much more effectively due to refundable melees (picking up the hammer or just straight up having the knives get refunded on a kill while radiant) just really felt like something was left missing from the whole subclass. I honestly expected the entire year from that point on that there was going to be another update to light 3.0 in season 19 to give all 9 subclasses 1 more aspect each just because i was so convinced that they wouldn't leave Dawnblade in the state it was in with only 2 decent builds.
The point you make about usage rates is so good imo. Like the whole justification Bungie gave for why they had to nerf Starfire as hard as they did was that its usage rates were too high, and yet Warlocks have consistently been the least played class in all aspects of the game. It just doesn't make sense to me. I've always liked the appeal of playing as a support character and when I started playing I thought that's what warlock was, but at some point it seems like any unique support identity warlocks might've once had just got washed away and spread out into the other classes. Can't wait to never play solar again until Bungie nerfs every good part of the other 4 subclasses and i'm just a permanent lunafactions bot.
But hey, you can now generate the heavy ammo for the team with useless trace rifles...
If you watched the super damage test aztecross did, warlock supers are consistently at the bottom. I believe top warlock damage was 500-600 K, meanwhile titan has two supers breaking a million.
Because the warlock supers are ranged and not reliant on being surrounded. What you want daybreak to do the same damage as glacial when glacial needs the stars to align?
@@blue21-23a Yes, Titans rely on being surrounded for that 1M+ damage but that's not exactly what I'd call stars aligning, sure its not useful in all cases however it has huge AoE so assuming correct range, it literally can't miss, can be used for room clearing as well as DPS, freezes constantly, and arguable can mess everyone else's DPS up because now there load of crystals blocking your view of the boss, flipside for Warlocks, daybreak is potentially hurt by being surrounded as the projectiles may track the wrong target so half the time you want to be up in the air for clearer vision which exposes you, same for meme beam without the tracking issue, and both can be messed up by glacial completely blocking vision, golden gun suffers from the blocked view as well but only requires a 1s opening with nighthawk, so for every case where there aren't enemies for warlocks super to do its thing there another case where the are for titans, biggest difference being titans get a much bigger pay-out and as I said can be used for rooms clear as well as DPS, daybreak could be used against ads but you then aren't getting any the stacking damage from dawn chorus, so for Titans if you know glacial doesn't work for X boss you use it to get to the boss/DPS phase, is the boss isn't good for daybreak you don't really have a secondary use for it and obviously meme beam is basically only boss DPS with minimal ad clear, similar issues with Winters wrath being mainly single target but at least that benefits from a Titan Glacial by allowing you to only use the secondary action to shatter
@@blue21-23a what I want added to Daybreak is the ability to spam up close light melee abilities like a sword lol
Higher danger & risk, but potentially higher damage too
You can throw a nova and keep shooting without having to move. Cuirass thundercrash needs you to phisically hit the boss and go back, it's all lost time and viable only in encounters where the boss is near enough and actually hittable. Behemoth is rng (stars align was most likely referring to the fact you need to hit the boss with crystals) and again, the damage you're doing is easily surpassed by weapons + the worst instant cast super. There is a reason why berserker dps is not meta.
With context, this comment makes no sense, those Titan supers are so situational to do that damage, warlocks supers are simply one and done and then use your weapons and abilities to deal the rest of the damage, Titan is spending most of a damage phase only doing about 1m damage, while warlock has probably already put out about 3m in that time.
the wanderer could’ve turned your tangles into really big threadlings that generated threadlings when killing enemies
It could've done something regarding movement, or actually make a construct. Instead we get a second shackle grenade that requires you to run over to it and throw it.
@@Kreau honestly would have LOVED to have a bigger threadling that roams the field longer and doesn't explode.
Couple points:
Movement: warlocks movement is generally speaking the fastest, that’s why they’re used in speedrunning. Harder to pick up, higher skill cieling tho. Lots of advanced tech with well skating and snap skating and what not, just need to take the time to learn it. Titan and hunter are miles better in pvp sure, but like in general warlock movement is fine and is easy to chain momentum
One shots: straight up shouldn’t exist in general, so this isn’t a pain of the warlock kit, but a problem that needs to be addressed on other classes
Rift: rift has a long cooldown and placement time because it healing on demand like you said. It can borderline win you fights in pvp alone with the constant stream of health. Until they get you out of the rift you are constantly healing, that’s why the classy restoration meta was so broken. Not to mention btw, you can slide mid cast with your rift, so yes you can move. It’s a trade off, it heals and overshields you, of course you shouldn’t be able to just insta pop it, or pop it in the open. Empowering may need a touch up, but in no way should it be combined, you’re literally giving every subclass a mini well. You would quite literally kill the pvp meta. Elemental rift is neat. Cooldown is also fine though, barricade just needs to be increased. Buffing things continuously rather than nerfing only leads to power creep. Dodge doesn’t provide enough of a benefit to nerf, it is a movement tool and for its timer it’s very justified.
Well of radiance: well is broken, flat and simple. Completely dumbs down the pve and pvp meta landscape, with the lowest timer and a scaling damage resistance to resilience with constant healing. Borderline mandatory in pve and hardcore content. Bubble at the very least requires you to leave the bubble and possibly die in the process. Well was genuinely the worst thing to ever be added in the game
Dawnblade: pvp it’s fine, just up the damage for pve, that’s fair. Definitely need a new aspect tho seriously, bring back blessing of the sky in some way
Exotics: Rain of fire is able to output the most dps with the proper swap setups, you just gotta learn it. There are other great warlock exotics, you just gotta take time to build around them
Arc warlock: it just genuinely needs a complete overhaul. It’s bad. I won’t even try to defend it, it’s bad
I genuinely do believe you need to look at this from the lense of objectivity and not class love. I play all 3 equally, so I mean it when I say it that it is not as bad as you’re saying it is. And like warlock, titan and hunter have many classes that are lagging behind in multiple areas (hunter arc is genuinely buns in pve, the worst I’ve seen. Titan stasis and Solar are very weak and do not have much build crafting wise to attempt at enhancing them. Titan stasis is especially dead, pvp it’s atrocious and pve it just isn’t as potent as shadebinder and revenant. Only good thing on the titan tree is sunspots, and even then it just doesn’t matter.) I’ve yet to play hunter or titan strand, but for the most part am hearing general discontentment. Warlocks consumable nade in general for infinite suspension is very very strong in general, the summoning vibe of this kit can be touched but I genuinely don’t believe that the class itself is Weak. Best dps super in the game anyhow.
Every class has its problems with both overpowered and underpowered aspects. The goal should be to bring balance, not just get better stuff. There are strong setups on warlock, they’re just not as obvious, or may take some more player skill to pull off. Regardless, really, 30 minute video is a bit dramatic for the most used class in endgame pve. Try the other classes out, try and remove yourself from the class elitist mindset. You’ll see things in a much better light 🙏
You completely lost me when you claimed that Arc Hunter and Solar and Stasis Titan suck in pve. Arc Hunter and Solar Titan are the go-to for soloing dungeons and both literally melee through everything with a constant uptime in healing. I've personally been punching my way through GMs on a Stasis Titan this season, with almost a 100% uptime on a Stasis overshield because the amount of shards a glacial grenade generates is out of control.
Literally everything else you've said is wrong. Discontentment with Titan and Hunter Strand? Lolwut?
@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 I mean hunter and titan strand I said what I’m hearing, but again if you read my point on it I said I can’t back up anything on it as I haven’t tried them. So for those 2 I have no opinions. Also for those other 3 classes, arc hunter and solar/stasis titan, they require such specific setup for such niche use cases that I didn’t really consider. Overall as a class they are weak imo, that’s why their usage is so low. One particular build does not define the potency and health of a subclass. These points can be argued sure, that’s what debates are all about. I still stand behind the rest of what I’ve said tho, and this too
Ever since i've started destiny 2, I've wanted to use warlock, and I main warlock. Recently I've tried other classes and I am starting to see how we warlocks are getting the short end of the stick.
I've always said this for warlock. Movement is their tool void has something that can be utilized AND turned into an aspect. The void blink from Nova warp can be directional blink binded to the same command as icarus with the same cooldown as Icarus. Either surpress or destabilize targets
Ionic blink too. It would mostly be the blink animation bur on your screen you'll be able to have more direction with a jolt affect to nearby enemies
If these get turned into aspects then movement on light subclasses will be fixed.
1000% agree with this. I also am a warlock main and at this point I feel like Bungie specifically targets warlock to fit the use they want it to fit. It seems like in their mind warlocks should just be support for the other classes and that any attempt to allow warlocks to hold up on their own is a disservice to the other classes. Pure favoritism at its finest.
They target warlock bc warlock is just the best class
I'm a titan main but daybreak should do this. "When hitting an enemy directly with your thrown sword, the flames from your burned foes travel above nearby allies and create a veil of light that make them radiant and give them restoration x2. Fulfilling that "pyro medic" fantasy. The fire comes off of the enimies and goes shwoosh and shing. Then white fire rains down on your teammates l. It would be a great alternative to moving away from well. It would also go good with a 20% damage buff to bosses to help make up the difference for not being able to shoot
Remember in Curse of Osiris how the cutscene looked when Osiris ignited his dawn blade? He flew around, slaying vex in the coolest mix of flair and arcane wisdom. Dawn blade should work like that. Swish, stab, fling ranged attacks from a distance, and lastly, you should be able to cut the super short and plant your well of radiance from using dawn blade.
Every time a new 3.0 subclass came out I was so disappointed to see Warlocks verb abilities like arc web, devour, restoration and radiant be given to the other classes who have an easier time obtaining and abusing them. May be a bitter warlock main but Arc was my favorite class, the add clear that arc web put out was great. When titan got jolt and a grenade focused aspect (in wish warlocks have always gotten them before) that was better at ad clear then arc web and all warlocks really gained was a new melee that wasn't viable in pve. Was very upsetting.
Tbf, hunters had Touch of Winter for stasis. Warlocks hold the majority of the "touch" aspects, but titans and hunter get one each. However, warlocks still get nothing from this exchange
first of all, titans always had healing on sun spots, it never was a warlock only thing, second, radiant wasn't even in the game and with sunspots giving out a dmg buff before the nerf, I'd argue titans had that pre 3.0 more so than warlocks, devour is still baked into warlock itself and wether or not you use that aspect or a fragment is up to you, no one has an easier time to get devour we all have the same way, warlocks are the only ones who have two ways instead of one(leaving out exotics), literally the only thing on your list here, that's been distributed to other classes and made a little worse than it was (thanks to the jolt nerf) is arc web
several of the 3.0 reworks took things from a class and distributed them to the others, like volatile, which used to be a Titan only thing, now it's not or invisibility, everyone can do that now
@@miserstecher123 unbelievably bad takes from someone who has played 5 minutes tops on warlock
@@dexterpaton7944 so bad in fact that you decided to upvote your own comment? I've played 300hours+ on warlock, have been getting back to warlock after mostly playing titan for years, all I gotta say is that warlock feels incredibly strong right now and that 3.0 didn't JUST take from warlock, weird how that's a "bad take"
Genuinely- the fact that I'm hearing this opinion from someone other than myself honestly almost brings me to tears- 🥺
I love you-
And I cannot put into words about how happy it makes me to know I'm not the only person who's thought this over the past couple of years-
Thinking the same thing I am in a hunter dominant clan and all they keep saying when I rant about warlock is "play another class if your unhappy" that doesn't fix the problem glad it isn't just me exclusively thinking warlocks need a buff and rework
@potato killer like I enjoy warlock why would I play another class? If I wanted another class I'd play it but I want warlock lol that's not a solution lol.
And yeah! Warlocks have been underpowered for a LONG time minus well of radiance, and well is like the excuse to nerf everything else? That makes ZERO sense... and then they take everything that makes warlocks unique and just gives it to everyone else- 🤷♂️ so now there's basically nothing left that's unique for warlocks-
@potato killer I totally agree, if anything is mentioned about warlocks in the community everyone shuns you for it because they know warlocks have been crap because ether cried about it
@mac sommerville precisely. Most days now I've just considered moving onto a titan as much as I love my warlock, warlocks just aren't special anymore and in pvp getting one tapped and tap melee all the time kinda gets tiring
I couldn't agree more about everything youve said, with that....two things I'd like to see in all warlock subclasses icarus dash and a burn added to our rift that is left behind jist like the shield and smoke do ....but great video. Ive been waiting for someone to address these issues .
You know what would have been cool for a perk with the name "wonderer" and have it still be about tangles? When you throw a tangle instead of exploding it becomes a roaming turret that shoots unravelling spikes like the melee (maybe it shoots in bursts like an ach soul) and lasts 20 seconds so you have time to make another tangle and pick it up to keep the loop going before it ends without having to go into the back end and change recharge times. Boom, I just made a better aspect with 4 or 5 minutes of thought than Bungie's design team apparently can...
And the scripting already exists in a basic form too, just reskin Winterbite's projectile and change the effects to strand.
@@AysaMetric exactly! It was right there and they still somehow made it boring.
The funny thing is, the new Hunter strand aspect is more of a summon than anything the Broodweaver gets.
hunters aspect feels nothing like a summoner. it feels like a shinobu ninja trickster shit
I started paying attention to Bungie's disdain for Warlocks when HH-Supernova was turned into a marshmallow tosser back in shadowkeep. I was so confused and surprised it woke me up. Void was the one Warlock class that I enjoyed playing because of the risk-reward loop, and HH-SN allowed me to compete with the other classes on an even field if I was careful. Ever since then, it's been a consistent series of disappointments for wanting to play my preferred fantasy. All my PvP activites force me to play Hunter to have fun OR be competitive. All my PvE activites force me to play Hunter or Titan, because if I am Warlock the only thing I hear over comms is "WHERE IS THE WELL? WHY CAN'T YOU JUST PLAY WELL? NO ONE CARES ABOUT YOUR DPS, I NEED A WELL!" Sorry, it's just not fun to be Well of Radiance and Div-bitch every encounter. In fact it's boring as hell. It's just sad man. Sad and frustrating.
See now I never get asked to play well anymore since I do constant weakening and whole team healing on void and I stay alive with void overshields, but I get where your coming from. Everytime I go to crucible I almost always switch to arc hunter because its the only viable thing imo since warlock has no pvp usability and weak supers so in high end content unless im on void gotta run well. Bungie needs to fix this, BRING BACK THE SUNSINGER
Welcome back, its 1 week until the final shape, and this video still gathers my thoughts perfectly.
All of our aspects are turning into Summons, prismatic is almost entirely summons, with the exception of two aspects.
Well has finally been nerfed after being the best super for a while (this is a good thing, but warlocks are not seeing enough compensation)
Prismatic Warlock is very clearly to me, the weakest of the three classes.
The two new exotic armor pieces arent too interesting.
And the worst part is? Class favouritism is getting mad, especially with Titan. Banner of war had shipped, and Synthoceps did not receive any nerds for the longest time. Now, say this is nerfed with banner, at the exact same time as the release another pair of arms that is better for BoW than Synthos is.
Every time a new subclass or whatnot releases for Warlock, I am always disapointed in what it grants me that is unique to the new classes. Am I being selfish for seeking something that the others dont get? Am I ungrateful because my class isnt "better"? I just want, ONE good content drop for my class, that really shakes up the class.
Isn’t it crazy that now the class being reworked and considered the weakest is titan? They complain about only being a melee class while our class suffers from the same thing except with summons. Where’s our rework lol?!
@@elitejt8388 I especially love how it took till final shape for our summon aspect on the summon class, weaver's call, was buffed to where it should have been this whole time. It really makes you wonder why it took so long for warlocks to get an update to a starting aspect, when Hunters and Titans consistently got new aspects that changed how the subclass plays in a fundamental aspect.
Atleast with Prismatic, we get to show off why we are so strong, by getting the easiest access to the best healing buff across all three prismatic classes
What you said about having only the warlock being able to pick up the tangle, i AGREE! That should be OVERALL though. You don't create the tangle, you cant interact with it.
Eh, I'd still like the ability to use my friends tangles as grapple points, but I agree that they shouldn't be able to be picked up
@@coinisinorbit as grapple point that's fair game. It's the picking up and shooting of them that I don't like.
For realllll
The amount of times where I make a tangle and then a blueberry sprints to pick it up is beyond frustrating, like can I please have my two little children from it?
@@Nienna_Asyare lmaoooooo right! Or even when I'm on titan and get put into red health because someone thought throwing it at a dreg is more useful than woven mail for all of us. Lmao
I thought it was apparent after bungie made the first 3.0 release, but I think we've generally reached a point at which hunter = gunplay or warlock = ability play, isn't or rather can't be the only defining factor for any of the classes anymore.
Sure hunter often has more gunplay focused benefits baked into their subclasses but at this point they're more of a nimble assassin type of class, just like titan isn't just me go punch and punch stronk, but has become a much more sustain/tank focused class with either more destructive or controlling abilities and finally warlocks are still very much ability focused but also gained some neutral game or gunplay capabilities while maintaining their incredible endgame(high level viability)strength
Seeing dawnblade get gutted in haunted hurt so much
Watching warlocks complain about being """weak""" is like not eating for 4 months and then seeing a child throw a perfectly cooked delicious juicy steak onto a sidewalk and stomp on it because they didnt like it
So you can't refute anything that was said in the video and resort to insults instead? Must be a titan.
@@Bushido_Brown. ask any high end player they'll tell you warlock is the best class for pve and it's not even close
also titans better
As a warlock main, i hope Bungie will listen to this guy.
Huh. Judging by the views and the comments, I guess I'm not crazy.
At this point I am poised to lean into my personal, specific power fantasies for as long as I can until Final Shape.
Instead of spawning 3 threadlings the rift should spawn either DIFFERENT/BIGGER threadlings OR maybe make it look like a portal into the ground where they spawn. Good for pve and not pvp which is what they want.
Also since swarmers are useless because the melee ability does the same thing they should give us a better melee.
Arc if they wanna make it movement based im fine with it..... Give us movement abilities.
A tp version of icarus dash would be cool. Maybe make it so when were amplified you take less damage.
Hell, a icarus dash for ALL the subclasses would be good so we actually get movement.
and for the rifts we should do this
healing (depends on subclass) procs verbs "devour, cure, woven mail etc"
emp (d o subclass also) procs (volt bullets, void bullets, sever shots etc)
making them USEFULL for synergy and Endgame.
Void is in a good place tbh in my opinion. Im just always forced to well on endgame yk.
solar was covered in the video well
arc is ass..... the seasonal aspecs make it usefull
strand just needs the buffs i said
and mr freeze needs a rework on all classes
I’ve seen this video so many times. Sometimes it’s a Titan main saying that dunemarchers peacekeepers and Synthoceps aren’t enough to play with or that sunspots should still give a damage buff, sometimes it’s a Hunter main saying they aren’t needed in endgame pve or that stompee5 are just like the other movement exotics and don’t need a nerf, and sometimes it’s this. There’s some valid points like the wanderer puts the ass in aspect, but a lot of the changes you proposed would kill what little game balance there is.
I think the point of this video wasn’t that these exact things needed to be added, but just that *something* needed to change
I haven't played for long, but recently got my hands on sunbracers, it def makes me feel like a space wizard I was meant to be.
I am a warlock main. I strongly disagree that warlocks are weak in pve. I cannot talk about pvp because I do not personally enjoy it (it is really easy), but warlocks are by far the most dominant class in pve. The only aspect of warlock in pve that is bad is arc warlock. For damage, warlocks have been the most dominant for a long while and still continue to be. Obviously there was starfire, which was way too strong, but there is now the strand cycle. This works on every class, but it is especially good on warlock with the super. Warlocks are mandatory pretty much any raid or dungeon with well of radiance. Warlocks have the best survivability and ad clear in the game through sunbracers (insane ad clear and infinite restoration 2 I used it to 2 man root), and in nightfall activites verity's brow is very busted. Strand warlock is extremely good offering the best damage in the game (look up warlock strand cycle it is almost as good as starfire) along with extremely good ad clear. There is also just infinite suspend for nightfalls. Void is just good overall. Nova is quite weak, but it is good ad clear and survivability with a variety of builds. Stasis is good overall, but it has been powercrept by strand. Stasis turrets are very good, but I think strand suspend is better than freeze. Warlocks do have infinite suspend easily. Arc is ok. Easily the worst subclass and it needs some help. However, it still has some upsides. Arc souls give the team a lot of extra help in damage and ad clear along with chaos now being pretty good for damage. Solar warlock is just what makes the class. Well is the best super in destiny and it is not close. With the strongest damage cycle, best super, excellent support, and the best ad clear, can you deny the strength of warlocks?
Titans are just kind of useless. Cuirass (no idea of spelling) of the falling star is good but is outclassed because it puts you out of position and doesn't do enough to warrant that. For reference, a warlock needle storm does a similar amount of damage to a Cuirass thunder crash with no season artifacts. Bubble is useless. Any melee super is just for ad clear. In very few spots will you use a melee super for damage in high level content because things do too much damage. By high level I mean like master- grand master activites not like duality. Strand titan is very good but that is it. Solar is good on survivability.
Hunters can be argued better because they have star eater scales. I would not care if you said hunters are best, but I wouldn't. Again nothing on hunter is mandatory besides tether maybe (not really) The damage is good and it has very good builds, but warlocks are simply better because of well, ad clear and survivability (sunbraces be busted), and a multitude of things I mentioned before.
Overall, I think warlocks are an extremely dominant class, and titan is the worst class in pve by far. I think they are the best class in pve.
Again, this is just pve. In pvp I think they are the worst, but idk.
also warlock jump is great just do not be bad.
Veritys are trash, sunbracers are next on the nerf radar after starfire nerfs, and strand super sucks, because it's so inconsistent. Well is only mandatory, because they design the raids with wells in mind. All arc and void supers suck, and you are basically throwing if you use either one of these in real endgame.
Although I do agree with titans being weak. Totally undeserved HOIL and synthos nerfs. Bubble used to give you better damage buff than the well and they gutted that for some reason, and ALL their roaming supers suck in pve. Bungie just doesn't have the vision to make the game fun for all classes, balance be damned. If balanced means boring, I don't want it.
Thank you. I thought I was the only one that thought all this! Yah, bungle really needs to implement equilibrium throughout ALL classes. It’s not fair being one shot in pvp by both classes and not being able to one shot yourself. Unless I’m not equipping the right equipment… but I have 100 Resilience and I still feel underpowered!
I'm curious, what exactly do you mean by "being one shot by the other classes", throwing knives? peregrine greaves + shoulder charge?
because not a lot of people are that good at hitting their throwing knives or using peregrine greaves in pvp
@@miserstecher123 "not a lot of people" however my experience as far as titans are concerned say otherwise. Not to mention they gave blink to hunters in arc. Granted they had it in D1 but it was a warlock mainstay for void and it got nerfed to the ground. I only use it now because it's fun to use not for it's utility
@@A-Rod1337 I mean you can literally look at the usage rate of peregrine greaves, not sure what else would one shot you on titan
@@miserstecher123 don't know what to tell ya man lol I must be coming across the dudes that do run it more often than not.
Thank you Phantom, for your time and dedication to start this conversation. Also thank you to everyone taking part in it.
I see myself as Solar/Stasis-Warlock Main.
While agreeing to almost everything you said, I felt myself being superior to the other classes before S21 Starfire nerf hit.
In my opinion, giving up your super for damage in supporting the fire-team was perfectly compensated by grenade spam via starfire protocol. In combination with witherhoard and a demo rocket I've been able to keep up with top DPS guys in my fireteam.
Nerfing ashes to assets was ok, because it hit every class but made well spamming kinda impossible.
Pulling off the DPS method, needed some skill as well and for the neutral game, being stationary in a rift that did not heal you was a fair adjustment.
Why did I fell superior?
I was able to save teammates by consuming my (heat rises) grenade near them for sure 1000 times. Using an eager edge sword to close the gap and charge the grenade inflight felt always like a very potent ability, which was very hard to master.
The well skate is imo the best movement tool in the game.
Restoration x2 is only available on warlock (as far as i know)
To take it one step further, before the introduction of strand, the Stasis warlock was king of crowd control. Having those bleak watchers up freezing everything, numbing the battlefield was amazing.
End of superiority...
Not only was the CC-crown taken from the warlocks, it was split and given to titans and hunters in the form of infinite suspensions. The strand warlock does not have such a thing. Weavers trance is a joke, ether everything is dead already(normal content) or you need to shot a red bar enemy with for five your osteo minutes resulting in yourself being dead(Master/GM) or I'm just stupid.
As you guys mentioned before: devour on all the classes, healing on all classes, crowd control on all classes, arc-web on all classes is stripping away the class diversity/identity, which sure will be only determined by the jump abilities.
Sorry for the long comment!
TL:DR: I agree
They butchered warlocks, gave it's toolkit to titans and hunters, then gave us starfire protocol, and now they are taking it away by completely obliterating it. Sunbracers are going to be nerfed to since every starfire users are going to switch to it, even though it has existed for a long time. Maybe they'll get a season or two before being put down like the rest of warlocks exotic that are actually performing.
As for the strand wanderer aspect, why not an aspect that actually generated a threadling every 5 sec while in combat or something like that. I don't know what they were thinking when they made that aspect but I know I'll never be using it. It's bad. Plain bad.
I watched aztecross testing the damage of supers before season of the deep. Good thing I'm already dead inside and lost all hopes of using anything else but well ever again in pve, or I'd have had a heart attack. But hey, we got a better camera angle coming for daybreak. It's going to make it great again....
Guess I'll stick to osteo/necrotic on strand and hope it doesn't get the bullet next season. Which it will, let's not kid ourselves here.
You'll use well, and watch on the side lines while hunters and titans have fun, and you'll be happy about it.
Complaining while warlocks are the best class everyone asks for them in lfg
@@cghul7315 People ask for warlocks because they want a well
@@ShadowQueenMaeve because they're the only one with constant healing
@HousingBear79 sure titans have sunspots, but ultimately unable to keep up constantly and consistently, warlocks have builds to get that well back almost instantly. You wanna bitch about warlocks being butchered talk about titans and hunters being thrown around from being tanks and scouts to fist man and gun man. Nothing matters when it comes to arguing about this. And also the movement ability bs, we have always been different, in all reality hunters should have the highest base speed in the game, but both warlock and titans jump let's them go faster.
@@dillonlardner7113 Every void subclass? Every solar subclass?
Equipping the recuperation mod on leg armor?
Unrelenting?
Crimson? Suros regime? Rat king? Ruinous effigy? The lament?
Skullfort? Precious scars? Loreley splendor? Stronghold? No backup plans? Crest of alpha lupi?
Wormhusk? Assassins cowl? Liars handshake?
Honorable mentions
Graviton forfeit and mask of the quiet one.
Also don't get me started on overshields.
Well of radiance is a combo of healing and damage boosting that is easy to use and strong especially for dps.
If you could shoot out of a titan bubble more people would use it but at the moment for dps situations well runs uncontested much to alot of warlock mains dismay as this means they are playing well in 85% of endgame content and that can get stale.
Remember when void warlock had 2 melees
As a warlock main, this may be one of the best videos I've ever seen critiquing how poorly warlocks have been treated in this game. Bungie claims they don't play favorites but it's pretty obvious they do. It's about time they start making some proper changes to our favorite space wizards.
You’re an idiot if you think that warlock isn’t bungies favorite class
It’s just stupid, the devs have never unfairly treated any of the classes never mind warlocks, how long did it take them to nerf Starfire? It was meta for about 2 years? Remember old Chaos reach? Never mind how unbelievably broken Icarus dash is in PvE and pvp, warlocks Solar class is the best class in both game modes, it’s by far the best in end game content as well, unfairly treated my ass, if anything the class is always getting the most unique exotics, synergies and builds, if you don’t like it there’s two more characters to play.
Geez im glad someone said this. Been a warlock main since D1beta. Ive been debating becoming a full time crayon eater. You sir have gained a new sub and supporter of all your content.❤
You alluded to it at one point, but another severe limitation of the rift is the fact that it basically locks you into place to gain its benefit, which is a huge factor in almost any advanced gameplay.
im sure titans can bring their shield along anywhere they want.
@@bragekv9937 I play all three classes. In general, titans have multiple factors that lend themselves to a more mobile gameplay style, including gameplay built strongly around creating overshields. Their class ability is also resistance, giving them twice the excuse to build it up and facetank, whereas for a warlock, it's extra duty. Not saying, "They have it easier." They have their own challenges. In fact, I wasn't comparing apples to oranges at all. i was just talking about the dynamics of a rift.
@@bragekv9937 the barricade stops bullets if the titan is there or not. it also deals a large amount of damage if stood in. rift does neither of those, and it has an extremely long animation and way longer cooldown
@@bragekv9937 They can't, but their barricases basically starts blocking the moment you press the key, coz they make a step back and spawn it 'in front' of them. You just aint killing titan in a crucible if he can just barricade right as you're killing him to get an overshield on top of that. Also their animation is so messed up gl headshotting him in it. Not to mention they can find an spot at which they can shoot through the barrier but 'stand' behind it?? Warlock's rift makes you *stand* in place (for an easy hs) for the animation, after which u can still just get oneshotted by a shouldercharge or shotgun xd Not to mention rift doesnt even tickle your enemies, but you get burned by barricades faster than a vortex nade.
@@popycorn300 Lock's rift is basically a 'kill me!' button. Only way its usable most of the time is to just get the void soul that you can send out for a debuff and some nade energy lol
Warlocks: What is my Purpose
Bungie: You just use Well of Radiance
Warlocks: Oh my god.
Takes out whip.. wheres my well div bitch
I want arclocks to have a melee that acts as a long range spear type melee. It should charge like thunderclap but let you move while charging, and it would only do damage on a direct hit.
What about blink for arclocks? If they rework the melee to have one like u said it would be so great
Hild w, blink in their face and unleash an overcharge melee and joli everyone
@@Q-189 or just make it where we can use it like titans but it only activates the attack on command or when an enemy is in close proximity
8:14 technically... thanks to our class getting the grenade enhancing aspect our grapple melee is effectively a shoulder charge with paragrin greaves, thanks to the threadlings (WITHOUT thread of evolution mind you) basically turning it into an instant kill.
25:34 yeaaah evo only bumps movement by like... 20%? granted the damage bump is about 50%.... but that says a lot on its own, given how weak they are individually.
26:02 i sware the super spawns the threadlings anyways even on embed. at least that's what i think when i see small ticks of damage after the needles explode.
This is a problem with all classes ever since the diamond system was abandoned
I consider warlock my main but play all 3 classes and it's hard to not notice how any content with a power cap is suddenly considerably more difficult whenever I get on the lock.
With how much time that's been wasted on gathering stat gear and ornaments for the warlock I'd honestly rather just quit than swap mains.
You know it's bad when even the sunken cost fallacy can't reel you back in.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who really noticed this weird phenomenon. I mean in Destiny 1 it was the same thing. I can fly around and survive on my titan but anytime I get on warlock I'm dying left and right.
@@Runelor indeed, just the other week, on my titan wearing loreley, I noticed that I could survive standing afk in the first duality encounter while 5 scions were pelting me with bullets as loreley was passively looping barricades and sunwells.
Even though the power delta is topped out, providing that extra bit of damage reduction, that's still in a dungeon mind you.
It's an interesting contrast.
I am so glad someone is finally talking about this, I've been thinking about this stuff for a long time and felt like no one was talking about it.
The warlocks identity still exists, it just also exists on every other class, and they often do it better, so uhh... I don't think thats much of an identity. Putting devour on every class is baffling enough and hurts warlocks uniqueness immensely, but putting it on a fragment for every class when warlock has to spend 50% of their aspects on getting devour without it being improved in any way blows my mind. And that's just one example, ionic traces, chain void and solar explosions, chain lightning grenades, healing nades, the list goes on and on.
Thank you for making this video. You covered alot of the points I had in mind. Especially the steal warlock stuff and give it to other classes aspect. Feels like I am getting robbed just like those tangles and the new bad aspect
warlock did steal twilight garrison
@@GoogleAccount-jn5qb It had to be removed from Titans because of the D2 sandbox. I don't think you've thought about how fucking annoying fast moving titans with impulse jumps, and easy to cast barriers would be. Especially since they're already so fast.
As a Rain of Fire user, the exotic is quite potent with Mythoclast. It's one of the easiest ways to gain Radiant, which in turn leaves room for you to spec into Restoration and Benevolence to buff others and feed into ability regen.
With how often the Osteo + Necro Grips gets thrown around for being meta, Necro Grips itself isn't that big of a boost over plain Osteo. Osteo + Grips is really only strong for trash clear, while the RoF + Mythoclast unlocks a very tanky, versatile (and supportive, even) ability generation kit that's not normally attributed to the Solar subclass.
Yea run that in crucible and see how well you do… Mythoclast is in dire need of a major buff.
@@awildmicio0922 I mean the build I mentioned is literally PVE focused if I'm even suggesting any form of support.
Regardless, it's currently sitting at a .77 TTK, which is right about average. In regular lobbies, it's perfectly fine. It gets even better with Radiant so long as you're using it at the appropriate ranges.
@@SolixTanaka in PVE I can see it being decent. I still stand by what I said about mytho….. they keep trying to adjust fusions as a whole for PvP and vex continues to suffer because of this. They need to reclass the weapon as an auto rifle and give it all of the auto rifle buffs
@@awildmicio0922 It lacks range, but it's really not as bad as you make it out to be. I'm a decent pvp player (~2.7 KDA, peaked at mid-Plat last two seasons). I wouldn't bring it into comp, but in pubs it feels similar to a 450 AR.
@@awildmicio0922 the amount of times I’ve died to mytho in pvp… smh if anything, it feels like it’d need a nerf
I can’t remember a single encounter I had against mytho where I came out on top. And I’m not a bad player by any means
I am a 99% voidlock main. I am not terribly unhappy with void, but I do wish there was one change to secant filaments. When casting a rift when devour is active should add 5 seconds and refresh health, etc. For several months I justices it as it activated devour and it is in the text. Recently I finally added the fragment to my kit and to my surprise this refreshes devour when picking up a new orb or breach. If a simple fragment can the exotic should too.
I do enjoy strand occasionally. A criticism there is that threading kills should always count as strand ability final blows which in my experience typically don't from perched.
I was a Titan main in Destiny 1. Play more hunter and some warlock during those days. Warlocks were PvP feared. Just for their supers. Back when supers were strong like they should be. Now you get hit with a melee and die. Which is another topic entirely. Destiny 2 I continued with Titan main. I was already seeing nerfs happening to the Warlock class, but I didn’t realize just how bad until I switch to a Warlock main with Witch Queen. Like I’ve stated I’ve played all three classes since Destiny 1, but when you main a class you hone in on its weaknesses and strengths. Warlocks are supposed to be like Mages and Wizards. Casting spells and summoning stuff. Warlocks are definitely more about abilities. When you limit that with the art of gunplay you take away its identity. One such example is Rifts. Rifts are a joke among Warlocks. You have a better chance if you run than put down a Rift. This is PvP and PvE. You can regain health just as fast outside of it as in it. Animation is so long in this faster pace Destiny you will die before you put it down and it does no benefit right away so you’ll die anyways even if you survive putting it down. Nerfing things like this that take away from the identity of the class. It’s like taking away Hunter’s dodge or Titan’s barricade. Starfire Protocol’s TYPE of nerf was uncalled for! It’s utterly useless against a boss now. Not only is the regeneration rate completely drove in ground, but the verbiage of the exotic changed from “damage” to “kills”. Warlocks already have an exotic for that attached to Well. It’s Phoenix Protocol! I used that build before Starfire Protocol. Starfire became a viable option because Solar 3.0 and fusion grenade dp output. This is what a Warlock is suppose to do! That’s why you want a warlock to come along. For that maximum survivability and dps. One change I would wish to come true a Rift and/or Well that moves with your character. More so the Rift. Increase the survivability with Rift as well. Now we’re talking.
I would love it if rift just became an aura around you. Teammates nearby on initial cast would get a boost of health, or a damage buff if they stuck by us on empowering rift.
@@desmondkenway4952 I love the aura idea. Similar to the energy based shields on enemies.
Almost a year later, and the state of Warlocks is shittier than before.
Just like what you pointed out with the stasis combos, I just watched a guy solo RON with a solar warlock, he has movment, dps ad control and INSANE healing, restoration x2 to be exact and the uptime he had on that was just ridiculous.
This was likely a combination of Sunbracers for the ad control and healing and starfire for DPS. Starfire is now a dead exotic after the nerfs. Sunbracers requires a lot of work to use properly and is only this powerful in solo content. Your average player can not do this.
@benamende5897 there's a cracked arc build for it now, I think aztecross has a vid on it.
Impossible to do after starfire nerf.
I agree with pretty much everything said in the video, but tbh, Fallen Sunstar is one of the best overall exotics for warlock, and when you say warlock should be ability focused, Fallen Sunstar makes it that way. I am able to throw pulse grenades so quickly, the previous one doesn't run out before I throw another one. As for rifts, I am able to stack them consistently. And having constant access to amplified and speed boost really does help on the movement side of things.
You can do that in normal difficulty content sure, but nobody cares about normal content because everything falls over from just looking at it. Bring that into a GM without this season's artifact mods and see what happens.
This video is sarcasm right? I mean warlocks are the best class, whether it’s sr, solo content or general end game content warlocks are the dominant choice.
It really isn’t, the cool downs are a huge factor when it comes to this class, Warlocks are an ABILITY base character. Take that away then they’re pretty much not useful whatsoever, even well doesn’t feel like we do much, maybe it does but in my opinion it doesn’t because since we’ve been given new perks to help us boost damage or support capabilities well is just a niche thing.
This has to be sarcasm no way this guys is serious.
@@mrseppyif you remove abilities from any class the gameplay falls apart......
The class identity stuff I absolutely get. Devour on hunter/titan, arc web, healing grenade, threadlings being bad, etc.
Some points to add: burst glide has the fastest horazontal movement of all jumps when not under a ceiling or scrolling except blink.(my brother was so surprised at much lower the burst was on catapult lift since he is used to burst glide)
While solar doesnt have the identity of healing, the subclass is one of the best in the game with massive buffs to grenades(nearly 3x for fusions), melee regenertion(heat rises), the best movement in the game and a very powerful super especially for soloing(and then another that isnt that bad).
Rift is stupidly bad in some cases but simply buffing linger duration, radius, cooldown(especially empowering), damage and/or animation speed would work
Penumbral blast was an easier nerf to make because it didnt involve nerfing verbs but instead one ability
The arc supers need love but chaos reach first needes to let go off the senitivity loss so can act more like a roaming super and be less helpless
Tangles in general are not usefull for builds anywhere(not just warlock) because using an orb(thread of warding is better for getting woven mail than into the fray) or your weapon is thousands of times better. Much like diamond lance, gunpowder gamble and glacial harvest, tangles dont need a cooldown(longer than ~3) seconds
I agree partially but on titan I also kind of feel it and im starting to think that people overestimate how good other classes stuff are and think they are majorly missing out.
Finally someone else that notices these things. In fact I think you’re even taking it easy in regards to some aspects of warlocks. Good vid though it makes things clear for people that don’t know
ngl i turned the video off when you said warlock has the worst manoeuvrability, they have the best movement in the game
After being a warlock main now since dark below… I have seen a lot of rises and falls with the class. Dawnblade was in a decent spot, but still a bit under appreciated up until Solar 3.0 mainly due to dawn chorus giving bottom tree dawnblade some more viability in end game/raids. I remember all the nerfs we had to our abilities, and all my friends wonder why I’m mad at how warlocks are in the game now. They are maining Titan and Hunter, but the one guy they have always on warlock (me) is mad that I only have one clear choice to run in any activity being Well. I wish I could run other supers, but they aren’t in a spot to be used over well. As was stated, all of the exotics lately have been niche exotics. Match your subclass with this to get increased damage, or use your air dodge to reload weapons… where Hunters get Star Eater’s that is a huge super buff, and titans get Falling Star for their best super for burst damage. We have been shafted repeatedly, yet the other classes don’t seem to understand how much we have been over the years. Removing our identity and trying to force us to be more gun focused like hunters, and they wonder why more warlocks are moving to Hunter. We don’t have an identity, we don’t have any variety in our gear. Especially now with the new helmet being for trace rifles. Bungie is pretty much saying “You’re the one using div and well, deal with it.” It isn’t fair to us warlocks to have to sit back while titans can grenade spam better than us, and hunters can have obscene damage numbers. But our best super without any artifact mods is still bottom of the board in general. Bungie needs to reassess what it is to be a warlock. We were not the gun fighters, or the close quarter shooters. We were the ability users that could heal our allies with a grenade, the ones that could always have uptime on our devour melee, the ones that could set the world on fire… now we have none of that as a class. Titans and Hunters do it better after all.
Thank. You. I’m so tired of trying to explain this to my friends who don’t main warlock. My best friend is a stubborn titan main who always makes fun of warlock jump and warlocks being made to use well and warlock abilities in general and it’s all in good fun but sometimes it makes me mad because he doesn’t understand
When I leveled my titan and played to get a solo ghosts of the deep clear, it was genuinely shocking how much more survivability you have on SOLAR TITAN, without loreley, than solar warlock, the healing class
It’s so unfair. I’m sick of it. We’re the ability class but titans and hunters get to spam abilities for free while we don’t. We don’t have an intrinsic way to spam melees, both classes do.
I’ll run well in raids but it’s getting to the point where I’m going to refuse. I want to run stasis. Not well. But because I’m a warlock I’m expected to 🙃
@@spymaster1You should check out a Snap/phoenix dive sunbracers build while you still can. Well is still boring but at least in between damage phases is somewhat entertaining... at least until Bungie nerfs that too.
@@twohorsesinamancostume7606 Oh, I have been! it's super fun. a little boring because it's just another grenade slam setup but I do enjoy it. i've actually been using dawn chorus lately, constant ignitions with conditional finality and incandescent weapons is fun
I do wholeheartedly agree on Stasis points
Imo the harvest cooldown isnt necessary anymore and on that note - stasis abilities having longer base cooldowns than other abilities - that is something that should also be gone for good for every class, not just warlocks.
The game has powecrept way past the point where that was needed. Strand is a great example here, it has smaller cooldowns, an entire fragment that literally gives grenades for free and Strand in general is essentially doing the thing that stasis was supposed to be good at but better. Unlimited crowd control for virtually no cost or effort
Bro I hate using rifts. In rifts you either die spawning it or no one shows up when you use it.
I've been feeling this more and more, I like where the new strand aspect is going, but its incredibly weak and frustrating as it is now. Sunstar and osmiomancy are the only 2 new exotics that i actually use. Not to mention the newest exotic locking warlocks to use well and div basically permanently.
just a suggestion but i think we should get a hive magic class for all subclasses for example give warlocks the ability to summon thralls on the death of enemies and the grenades being poison over time the titan getting a hive knight shield and sword as a roaming super and the tip of the sword spreads poison and the hunter getting a blade barrage type super but it being knives that emit poison over time like thorn or osteo
as a main of all 3 classes who just plays whatever fits/is best
warlocks are the best class for 90% of the game
- Best dps
- Best support
- Best ad clear
- (one of the) Best pvp subclasses
- Fastest
"class favouritism" isnt a thing, sometimes your favourite class wont be given as much love as other classes because they NEED that love to stay viable and keep up with warlocks
tl;dr theres a reason that a lot of the best players play warlock:)
All it takes bungie to do is to nerf sunbraces and warlocks will be trash tier. Starfire is already non-viable. All supers suck, expect the well, which is 100% mandatory in master level content.
@@dat_21 out of everything i listed..
sunbracers contribute towards none of it:)
theyre just a nice lil bonus LMAO
@@ejpdchsbmkijley In what way warlocks are top dps? Their supers suck, aside from the well, which is just bad design from bungie. Like half of the hunters supers are better for DPS than warlocks.
@@dat_21 strand super + rocket + fusion :)
@@ejpdchsbmkijley Hunters can do the same with their SeS supers or by placing a tether and getting a 30% buff for the team.
i always thought that they shoud have created the classes based on a triangle with the 3 aspects covering that triangle on each corner, those being ability - defense - speed.
in the ability corner with medium speed and defense is the warlock great with abilities with fast cool downs and with medium agility and medium defense and a health pool somewhere in between titan and hunter (acting as support and all around class).
in the defense corner with low ability and low agility you have the titan but has more health and stronger shields (acting as a tank class able to take more damage and do extreme damage at very slow ability cool downs).
then in the agility corner for the hunter focusing more on ambush based skills and ranged attacks and is able to quickly get around but takes more damage due to having lower defense and a lower health pool and has medium ability cool downs.
the way that bungie looks at it is thast they want all classes to be exactly balanced which isn't possible (Warlock classes aparently getting screwed over at every turn) and then focusing on gunplay with time to kill in PvP lowering and ability usage almost worthless in PvP thats basicly warlocks out the window in PvP (they were originally ment to be a PvE support and ability usage focused class and that has been slowly tacken from them).
Year 1 armor had a similar effect to the triangle you’re mentioning (also, because discipline, strength, and intellect weren’t in the game then lol) warlocks mainly had restoration armor, titans had resilience, and hunters had mobility
Bruh - Your whole rift speech is and has been my biggest gripe on Locks! 5K hours as a Warlock main in PvE and PvP.
As a titan main yea to *everything you said* for the most part but bungie seems to have forgotten what the classes are now warlocks especially. I doubt thing will get better for yall anytime forward
Even though us Warlocks had a one shot Melee on Stormcaller in PvP, your hitbox would still be there when you activate the Melee ability while sliding across the floor, just like when you’re jumping with Blink on so a Shotgun or a Spike Grenade Launcher user can one shot you if they react fast enough
We HAD the one shot melee, but the other classes cried about it and got it nerfed. And yet the community seems fine with knockout and infinite throwing knives. I don’t understand it
Preach brotha. You forgot to mention that we have the least dmg supers in all classes, maybe thats why everyone was on starfire to actually be able to do something useful during dps, bungie typically killed the solution while ignoring the problem.
If I get stuck on well, there’s literally nothing better to run than Starfire anyway so it’s just a hard nerf to warlocks, period.
They’re incredibly versatile and powerful for both crucible and pve.
That’s it,that’s the truth,this video is a dude whining about how warlock has no identity.
Stasis warlock=freeze everything
Strand warlock=strand babies
Void warlock=EXPLOSIONS and area control
Arc warlock=movement and lighting all over the place(good but definitely needs reworks)
Solar warlock=everything burns and explodes,all teammates heal.
They’re still the only class with rifts and the best endgame abilities(except for arc warlocks)
I agree with most of what you say here, as a hunter pvp player I knew warlock was the least loved class for pvp but I had no idea how hamstringed they were in pve as well. For the dawnblade buff, instead of more duration, why not make it kills refund duration for the swing almost entirely, nerfed effect in pvp, or only ignition kills with the blade explosion refund energy, add clear. If you need it to be good against bosses just add a fragment or aspect called god slayer that makes the supers do bonus damage against bosses or benefits for hitting bosses
as weak as i think warlocks have gotten (outside of a couple outliers like well and needlestorm) you are INSANE if you think warlocks have the weakest movement
Prior solar 3.0 we also had the ability to make ennemies affected by our abilities explode, which is not possible anymore as they just gave everyone ignitions, and we once again lost our advantage because we are the worst class to make ignition happen.
Bungie's response, probably: "Understood, buffing enemy HP by 1 million and nerfing Saint-14 helmet and Sealed Ahamkaras Grasp"
Edit: "Patch notes: we are now reducing all glimmer and purple shard drops, you now must run 900000 activities to gain 300 glimmer and 90purple shards each"
> Mantle Harmony bad
> Assembler Bad
Oof. Off to a bad start
>Fails to mention that Warlock Witch Queen Exotics are untouched while both Hunter and Titan Exotics were hit.
🤔
> Arc and Solar 3.0 were lackluster for Warlocks
Left unsaid: “…Please ignore Touch of Flame, and Amplified buffing Arc souls”
> Rain of Fire Bad
> Sunstar Bad
> “… Well ok, they are good, but only in “”””Very specific circumstances”””””
I don’t even know what to say to this. Lunafactions is only useful for very specific circumstances, yet it is a top pick. Cuirass is only useful for once every few minutes Just because something is niche doesn’t make it not potent.
>Architect was supposed to be a summoner class.
It’s ok in that regard, but why not point out that it does suspend on a a similar level as Titan?
>Icarus dash is the only warlock movement ability?
Skating and blink?
> Rift isn’t potent because other things do the same thing.
Stasis can build a wall with crystals, does that make Titan Barricade useless. Rift is supposed to be a way to create a mini power position.
Disappointed in the video
They are. Assemblers were gutted not too long ago from the release and there days are almost unusable. Mantle is only good for regenerating super a little bit faster and that's it. The damage buff it gives it not worth anything.