Vinyl Technology Roundtable Featuring Michael Fremer

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  • Опубліковано 27 сер 2024
  • Turntable experts Michael Fremer, Craig Milnes (Director of Design and Engineering Wilson-Benesch), Leif Johannsen (Chief Officer Acoustics and Research, Ortofon), Mark Dohmann (Director Technical Services and Design at Dohmann Audio Pty Ltd) and J.R. Boisclair (Owner WAM Engineering / WallyTools ) in a live discussion about vinyl playback technology and about the possibilities to get the perfect sound out of it.
    Experience more about actual developments and expert know how in this round

КОМЕНТАРІ • 49

  • @pmpgonzalez
    @pmpgonzalez Місяць тому +1

    What a great session. Thank you guys. You made me seriously think about leaving my current job, learn more about vinyl and turntables and go pro.

  • @terrywho22
    @terrywho22 Місяць тому +3

    Glad we have affirmation that cogging does exist in direct-drive systems... and it's both measurable and audible. The truth of the matter is (what many of us have known for years) each drive type has positives and negatives. Each is best in its *own way* so pick a table that works best for you and your budget and start spinning some vinyl. Your ears and heart will thank you for it. Thanks for posting this very interesting discussion.

  • @troylogan446
    @troylogan446 Місяць тому +4

    What is this affordable Tonearm???

  • @stephenharding428
    @stephenharding428 Місяць тому +1

    Thank you that was highly entertaining. Looks like I am going to have to start saving again, my gear is clearly dated! 😂

  • @grahamstrahle4010
    @grahamstrahle4010 Місяць тому +2

    Micro Seiki CF-1 used carbon fibre for its arm-tube. I believe it was manufactured in 1979 - 1984. Mine still sounds lovely.

  • @robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883
    @robbiedetroitstigermanviny8883 Місяць тому +1

    You are improving everything around vinyl, how about improving the vinyl.

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 Місяць тому

    Long live vinyl and long live the vintage revolution:)

  • @dougg1075
    @dougg1075 Місяць тому

    Always thought it was crazy how you can hear the recording space in the groves, like the hotel girl in The Wall. “ wanna take a bath”

  • @user-jy3io4iz2p
    @user-jy3io4iz2p 9 днів тому

    In manufacture the bigger the company the less they understand the basics. Raw materials are tested and get green light under certain setpoints of a machine that proces them. By time things do change (different location production of raw materials, different machines used to make raw materials as the machine you are running does not get any younger either). What big companies do not seem to acknowlegde is a drift (or shift when the same raw materials come from elsewhere) and keep clinging on to how is believed they should manufacter themselves. In the past you had machinists that were very good at taking notice of these things and had a little book with data they wrote down. Today in manufacture this work is done by temps with more often than not no dedication to the product and taking notes is rare so there is no data to fall back on and seeing a shift in data happening. All that is done is go to setting as they were and wonder why targets aren't met. Seen at a company they started taking notes because they wanted to standardise on how products should ran (setpoints) to come to the conclusion this was near impossible. You had to adjust for visible as measurable criteria. There was a standard for setpoints but became "a religion" instead of a starting point with some room to move. Targets were unrealistcly high and pressure raise delivering on time. So the wiggle room was simply gone (output over quality) with a result of rejects by customers (expensive shoes, not mentioning any brands). One division of that company was killed of by the company themselves blaming the temps not doing their job 😅

  • @watdanuqta-mf5ms
    @watdanuqta-mf5ms Місяць тому

    Great discussion by an interesting group. I'm wondering though, most of what's discussed is at the upper end of the market and matters to a small group of customers(enthusiasts). Like a lot of state-of-the-art tech, it eventually filters down to affordable, mainstream priced products. But, will there be a market for any of this? Right now, a lot of younger audio customers like vintage products because of some hip cool factor and more likely don't care about the kind of quality this roundtable is discussing. No one is taught much math and science in school anymore and the audio market is being driven by influencers and just about any no nothing person on UA-cam who decides to assemble a web channel and prattle on about a subject he's interested in but doesn't really know much about.

  • @carminedesanto6746
    @carminedesanto6746 Місяць тому +1

    Watched the original video..this is a great video.
    My question is ..why shouldn’t a tt match the precision of the lathe/ cutting head that makes the master disk 🤔
    Seems logical that if you’re getting “more out of the grove”..how was that possible given the manufacturers systems ….🧐
    Dint get me wrong Vinyl is amazing..but you have to wonder 💭 HOW.

    • @makiskouloumparitsis9203
      @makiskouloumparitsis9203 Місяць тому

      Boomers hearing things that aren't there because they spent alot of money. You are right, logically that is not possible, i doubt if any od those people can hear past 12khz

  • @michaelcorlet2998
    @michaelcorlet2998 Місяць тому

    What about mofi super ultra analog vynal,were are they.

  • @manolokonosko594
    @manolokonosko594 Місяць тому

    I'd like to see a feature in a turntable as was done on the Nakamichi models, which would spin the record, then automatically adjust the center of the record so that there would be no wow and flutter on off-center pressed discs. None of the audiophile expensive units do this. Your $100K turntable with the $40K tonearm and $25K cartridge will sound like crap if the record you play is pressed off center.

  • @jimbennett2795
    @jimbennett2795 Місяць тому

    THROW IT AT THE WALL AND SEE IF IT STICKS. Time to move to the next level.

  • @wa2368
    @wa2368 5 днів тому

    Fanatical Fossils.

  • @sergiolopez-pf6tx
    @sergiolopez-pf6tx 20 днів тому

    So many years and still talking about improving turntables? What were they doing while the record industry was nearly extinct? It for sure is a small private club.

  • @vmvlev
    @vmvlev Місяць тому +1

    hu ? i could swear i saw this last week ... did i trevel in time ?

  • @davestevens4193
    @davestevens4193 Місяць тому

    I'll save you an hour. Yes

  • @Woofy-tm8si
    @Woofy-tm8si Місяць тому

    Arrgh! 20nm scale? Do you maniacs realize the mess my head made when it exploded??? The neighbor lady two houses down is staring daggers in my direction! 😳😳😳🤯🤯🤯

  • @greencraig8570
    @greencraig8570 Місяць тому

    Master Fremer heading the Jedi Council.

  • @mikeross4081
    @mikeross4081 Місяць тому

    Why has this video been uploaded again?

  • @makiskouloumparitsis9203
    @makiskouloumparitsis9203 Місяць тому

    Lol i wonder why did you just post this when the one in tracking angle UA-cam is posted a long time ago

  • @ofir5000
    @ofir5000 Місяць тому +3

    A $100 DAC beats any turntable on the planet
    Analog is obsolete

    • @intothevoid9831
      @intothevoid9831 Місяць тому

      In your dreams. You obviously have no real world experience, or broken ears.

  • @Zoomerland
    @Zoomerland Місяць тому +2

    Aging men and their need for spinning audio media. I'm 70 yo and don't miss 45's, LPs, CDs, SACDs etc. Streaming is not as great as analog yet, but someday it will. All that stuff in the grooves will be available on digital someday. DACs are improving every year. Good bye spinning objects, I'll never miss the ritual of cleaning an LP and needle.

    • @intothevoid9831
      @intothevoid9831 Місяць тому +1

      Why are you on a vinyl video if all you do is stream? Enjoy the lower fidelity.

    • @dihydrotestosterone
      @dihydrotestosterone Місяць тому +1

      Let's be honest here, vinyl is worst than digital ( less dynamic range, background noise... and so on)
      So the romantic aspect I understand but Fidelity wise it's obsolete.... ​@intothevoid9831

    • @intothevoid9831
      @intothevoid9831 Місяць тому

      @@dihydrotestosterone Nobody cares about your random measurements. All that matters is the music, vinyl is better.

    • @makiskouloumparitsis9203
      @makiskouloumparitsis9203 Місяць тому

      @intothevoid9831 i agree with dihydrotestosterone, your vinyl is objectively and many times subjectively worse, and for music, with streaming is better for music because with it you can actually explore music and find new exciting music, with vinyl you listen to the same shit all the frickin time unless you keep buying records, but how are you gonna discover music if you're only listening to records. Its just a bad obsolete format and companies advantage of people's nostalgia, because most people in this hobby are 50,60,70 years old so they grew up with vinyl and they have a certain emotinal nostalgic connection to it, once you get past that vinyl is not better than digital in any shape or form.

    • @intothevoid9831
      @intothevoid9831 Місяць тому

      @@makiskouloumparitsis9203 Cool story. Streaming sucks. Ive used streaming before and it sounds vastly inferior. People had no issue discovering new music prior to the invention of the internet. Enjoy your lofi.

  • @scudder2010
    @scudder2010 Місяць тому +3

    Fremer is the biggest gaslighter in audio. Vinyl sucks!

    • @vmvlev
      @vmvlev Місяць тому

      NO YOU SUCK

    • @nirodha35
      @nirodha35 Місяць тому

      No,it doesn’t suck, it just isn’t superior (anymore)

    • @jimbennett2795
      @jimbennett2795 Місяць тому +6

      He hardly spoke. Vinyl is better than anything you own. That's a fact

    • @intothevoid9831
      @intothevoid9831 Місяць тому +2

      Your gear sucks*

    • @scudder2010
      @scudder2010 Місяць тому +2

      @@intothevoid9831 your mother doesn’t think so when she’s at my place…