I was listening to this episode on pocket casts but came here just to comment. Your Cricket analysis and analogies are obviously great but I loved the end where you talked about Pakistani music, was beautiful. Maybe it's the 90's kid in me getting all nostalgic, but it was a great listen! Keep doing this.
Haha, if this episode had ended right after Osman completed his censored version of the message, it still would have been the top 3 episodes of all time. What a beautiful insight.
from this tournament we learnt that the Pakistani cricketers have a problems with chasing in limited over cricket the only exception being in finals/semi-finals during which the curse of the top-order collapse that triggers a middle-order collapse (unless misbah can help it) in the first innings shows up once more
Visited Niyaz Stadium in May this year and it doesn’t look like a stadium anymore, looks more like a part of Pakka Qila and should be handed over to Archeology department. Also, Hyderabad doesn’t have an international level hotel so don’t expect any international cricket happening there in next 10 years at least.
I have always thought why our players don't have any association, they should be able to band together against the PCB and fight for the rights of all players, current, ex, or domestic players. However, the last few years has been an eye opener, it has revealed to me that in a society where moral corruption has permeates through the fabric of the society, players are no different, the last few years gave Bobsy authority without impunity, so I think more power to the players is not the way, associations should not be allowed to be created, these players don't need any more powers, they already have social media and their agents behind, and unfortunately the players that don't wield such power will be collateral damage.
Regarding the central contracts being revised, couple of things, firstly I agree, you would want to give A categories to your best to incentivize them, but what if I tell you those central contracts were given out under a different management, does the new one have the right to revise them? Maybe, maybe not. What if I tell you the previous contracts were signed because the players staged a coup and wouldn't travel for the ODI WC if their demands were not met, that they wanted a share in the ICC revenues and that they wanted rights to their NFT's and they wanted their salaries to be increased and they wanted the contracts to be for multiple years, does the board, under new management, have the right to revise the contracts? What if I tell you the previous contracts were finally negotiated because a certain ex player touted as a " match winner" played a crucial role in being the intermediary between the board and the players and later had to resign from his post of Chief Selector because of conflict of interest? You know what forget it, I won't tell you all that, yea you are right, the players have it tough, and the evil board needs to be put in its place. My friends, everything is not black and white, be objective, would expect better when there are 2 "journalists" on the pod.
I dont know why Rizwan is not captain, but I would urge you to investigate his connections with Yazo International and share with us what you find maybe that might answer our questions
I'm sorry these are terrible points. The players didn't stage any coup they resisted signing a terrible and restrictive contract. They wanted their salaries to increase in line with increased revenues and most importantly they wanted to be able to play franchise cricket like the rest of the world. This sort of colonial mentality of treating players like kuttay who should play for free is extremely passe. And given that management changes every 12 months how the hell would they have the right to change contracts?! Is this how you would work at a corporate setup where your salary isnt at market level and forced to stay low, where management keeps changing and where you aren't allowed to have a fair share in revenue you generate? No one buys tickets to see the chairman or selectors they do it for players.
@@BattaFast don't apologize, I won't. One man's terrorist is another man's resistance fighter, its two sides of the same coin You choose to see from the players point of view, and I choose to see it from a fans point of view. I call it a coup you call it a resistance we are saying the same thing perspective is different. What is the market benchmark of salaries anyways? Most of your players compare themselves to BCCI payouts, you think thats reasonable? As a journalist you need to try to be objective and dare I say honest, and if you are, it will come across on your pod
Half of your players don't have any sense, they come from poor backgrounds and go crazy when they see bright lights, this was always the case but in the age of social media their inability to cope with instant stardom has declined exponentially and the other half, that has crossed that bridge? Well they are managed by greedy agents.
There's this ongoing case with Lasanna Diarra in European football that could deliver a huge change that forces footballers to be treated under regular labor law than current exceptions. It is an issue in many places
@@BattaFast May be discuss this in the next podcast. Their command over language and rational thought is below par which is me being generous. I have only watched pak media after T20 fiasco and somehow YT think I need to listen to them. But a middle school kid can do a better job then them . I may be wrong but it seems like pak society as a whole is lagging behind in the evolution of intellect compared to the rest of the world similar to their cricket team. I am curious to know if you guys live in Pak or are ex-pats which is why you are apt.
Why does Babar Azam have staying power but a player like Fakhar Zaman doesn't? As in, when there is a lean patch, who has a greater likelihood of being dropped/rested and who is less likely to be dropped/rested?
I really want to see him back in the test side, if only because he's done amazing things otherwise, and even his lower average in Tests + relative experience could be a great value-add in the current circumstances!
Saim had 3 failures and a 150+ knock. His numbers are skewed because of single knock. At least it should be mentioned when naming him as top 10 scorer. All the rest had at least 2 or 3 decent outings
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That analogy by Osman on the treatment of PSL is brilliant 🤌🏽 and perfect. In a way, it's a good sign that the ICC money is the highest revenue earner as it should be from the game's governing body but no matter what issues there might be, why tf would you not maximise the PSL which has, as that reporter said, saved your (halal) bacon in the past?
A line from Asghar Farhadi’s Oscar winning film for your friend Asad
“Don’t worry. Only the first 100 years of life are tough.”
“The Salesman” is the name of the film just in case…
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I was listening to this episode on pocket casts but came here just to comment. Your Cricket analysis and analogies are obviously great but I loved the end where you talked about Pakistani music, was beautiful. Maybe it's the 90's kid in me getting all nostalgic, but it was a great listen! Keep doing this.
Fully agree - lovely end to the pod
You two deserve a million views
Haha, if this episode had ended right after Osman completed his censored version of the message, it still would have been the top 3 episodes of all time. What a beautiful insight.
from this tournament we learnt that the Pakistani cricketers have a problems with chasing in limited over cricket the only exception being in finals/semi-finals during which the curse of the top-order collapse that triggers a middle-order collapse (unless misbah can help it) in the first innings shows up once more
How everyone has forgotten the hyderabad ground niaz stadium, last International match played there was in 96
i was literally going to mention but had slipped my mind by the time i spoke next
Visited Niyaz Stadium in May this year and it doesn’t look like a stadium anymore, looks more like a part of Pakka Qila and should be handed over to Archeology department. Also, Hyderabad doesn’t have an international level hotel so don’t expect any international cricket happening there in next 10 years at least.
I have always thought why our players don't have any association, they should be able to band together against the PCB and fight for the rights of all players, current, ex, or domestic players. However, the last few years has been an eye opener, it has revealed to me that in a society where moral corruption has permeates through the fabric of the society, players are no different, the last few years gave Bobsy authority without impunity, so I think more power to the players is not the way, associations should not be allowed to be created, these players don't need any more powers, they already have social media and their agents behind, and unfortunately the players that don't wield such power will be collateral damage.
Regarding the central contracts being revised, couple of things, firstly I agree, you would want to give A categories to your best to incentivize them, but what if I tell you those central contracts were given out under a different management, does the new one have the right to revise them? Maybe, maybe not. What if I tell you the previous contracts were signed because the players staged a coup and wouldn't travel for the ODI WC if their demands were not met, that they wanted a share in the ICC revenues and that they wanted rights to their NFT's and they wanted their salaries to be increased and they wanted the contracts to be for multiple years, does the board, under new management, have the right to revise the contracts? What if I tell you the previous contracts were finally negotiated because a certain ex player touted as a " match winner" played a crucial role in being the intermediary between the board and the players and later had to resign from his post of Chief Selector because of conflict of interest? You know what forget it, I won't tell you all that, yea you are right, the players have it tough, and the evil board needs to be put in its place. My friends, everything is not black and white, be objective, would expect better when there are 2 "journalists" on the pod.
I dont know why Rizwan is not captain, but I would urge you to investigate his connections with Yazo International and share with us what you find maybe that might answer our questions
I'm sorry these are terrible points. The players didn't stage any coup they resisted signing a terrible and restrictive contract. They wanted their salaries to increase in line with increased revenues and most importantly they wanted to be able to play franchise cricket like the rest of the world. This sort of colonial mentality of treating players like kuttay who should play for free is extremely passe. And given that management changes every 12 months how the hell would they have the right to change contracts?! Is this how you would work at a corporate setup where your salary isnt at market level and forced to stay low, where management keeps changing and where you aren't allowed to have a fair share in revenue you generate? No one buys tickets to see the chairman or selectors they do it for players.
@@BattaFast don't apologize, I won't. One man's terrorist is another man's resistance fighter, its two sides of the same coin
You choose to see from the players point of view, and I choose to see it from a fans point of view. I call it a coup you call it a resistance we are saying the same thing perspective is different. What is the market benchmark of salaries anyways? Most of your players compare themselves to BCCI payouts, you think thats reasonable? As a journalist you need to try to be objective and dare I say honest, and if you are, it will come across on your pod
Half of your players don't have any sense, they come from poor backgrounds and go crazy when they see bright lights, this was always the case but in the age of social media their inability to cope with instant stardom has declined exponentially and the other half, that has crossed that bridge? Well they are managed by greedy agents.
Lol nice to see this non-serious analysis that a non-serious board like PCB deserves
What is this thumbnail 😂 have the phrases been deliberately misplaced? Also, a great alliteration sequence.
last sentence answers first two
Any idea why no Naseem in the connection camp? Seemed odd
2:42 pe episode khatam kardena chahye tha! Epic reply by Osman bhai 😅
I wonder to what extent countries' labour laws cover the contracts that athletes have with bodies that govern their sports
There's this ongoing case with Lasanna Diarra in European football that could deliver a huge change that forces footballers to be treated under regular labor law than current exceptions. It is an issue in many places
@@BattaFast Thank you, will look it up
Why does that reply to your friend makes me laugh and sad at the same time?
It would be very Pakistani for Pakistan to win a huge margin against England
yeah when osman sent that text one of our friends was like now the jinx is too strong Pak to win it
29:41 Bro! You don’t have to call me out like that
You guys are forgetting Pak has the unique capability to make green players look veteran
JBH
What is wrong with Pakistani journalism, except you two its all garbage .. even on national tv its appalling
...thanks?
@@BattaFast May be discuss this in the next podcast. Their command over language and rational thought is below par which is me being generous. I have only watched pak media after T20 fiasco and somehow YT think I need to listen to them. But a middle school kid can do a better job then them . I may be wrong but it seems like pak society as a whole is lagging behind in the evolution of intellect compared to the rest of the world similar to their cricket team. I am curious to know if you guys live in Pak or are ex-pats which is why you are apt.
I don't think Pak cricket journalism is a reflection of social intellect. I've been living in Pakistan for almost all my adult life.
Why does Babar Azam have staying power but a player like Fakhar Zaman doesn't? As in, when there is a lean patch, who has a greater likelihood of being dropped/rested and who is less likely to be dropped/rested?
Other than ethnicity I think it's cuz Babar is classical and Fakhar isn't
I really want to see him back in the test side, if only because he's done amazing things otherwise, and even his lower average in Tests + relative experience could be a great value-add in the current circumstances!
Saim had 3 failures and a 150+ knock. His numbers are skewed because of single knock. At least it should be mentioned when naming him as top 10 scorer. All the rest had at least 2 or 3 decent outings
Feel it's far more relevant to mention that NO ONE batted decently second.
That CAT has something to say guys! Pay attention!
That or it was simply agreeing with everything that was said 👏🏽
Do u know if Babar and co pay people including ex cricketers to campaign for them on media?
I know of some cricketers using agencies for campaigns but someone like Babar is popular enough to have his fans do that anyway
I wish Osman's WhatsApp msgs were made public, ur views will go through the roof.
LOL
Fakahr khud Fauji thats why he could say that
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Laanati bhai yeh Pakistan cricket pe podcast hai
@@BattaFast ok ok mr smarty pants ahmer
I think you should change your bio
What do they know of Pakistan cricket, who only pakistan cricket know
i can hear the mouth breathing and nose breathing , and all possible noises from a respiratory system from the guy on the left.
Wait till you see something pokes out of his nose as well 😂
Watch thinking it of as ASMR
The intro is so annoying….
That analogy by Osman on the treatment of PSL is brilliant 🤌🏽 and perfect. In a way, it's a good sign that the ICC money is the highest revenue earner as it should be from the game's governing body but no matter what issues there might be, why tf would you not maximise the PSL which has, as that reporter said, saved your (halal) bacon in the past?