Thank you for the great video. Very professional. I watched it very enjoyable. I’m sorry we didn’t adjust your wheels perfectly. Maybe it’s a fish that slipped through the net. But anyway, we will improve the quality of our hand-built worker to make the spoke tension and spoke twist best. We will keep going.
Great review! I'm on my second set of ICAN carbon wheels and I love them. I have the Aero 40's on my Giant TCR Advanced and they have performed rock solid for me for over two years. Fast and reliable and running disc brakes and tubeless the whole time.
Awesome ty, very informative. I'm almost 60, use to run a printing press and die cutting press. Mechanically inclined. Amazing the precision involved for the wheels. I don't have carbon wheels. I have 3 bikes; campagnolo ventos, Shimano R500, and Mavic ksyzium SL. These wheels are not the best but I've noticed they can take a huge hit and are still true. I live in upper state NY and the roads are horrible. Elmira NY. I don't know how to service them yet
I've had ICAN Aero wheels on both my road bikes for a couple years, one set disk (55) , one rim (50). I LOVE them. I've liked them better than a set of Yoeleos that I had. But obviously your experience may differ. This video was interesting to see the details. As always, I click on Oz videos.
Rode a 50mm disc carbon wheelset from Mantel, for about a year. Nice wheels, and apparently well built, but you can definitely feel the wind gusts. One day I was riding and the bike felt weird, like the front end was off, somehow. Took me a while to realize that the wind was turning the front wheel to one side, and I was instinctively pushing to the opposite side, while riding. That killed deep section wheels for me. I am now riding 30mm Progress Phantom alloys and dt Swiss er1600. Couldn't be happier. Also, I felt that carbon wheels where harsher than alloys, even with very low pressures (I ride 25mm and 28mm tires between 6bar and 6.5bar and I weigh 74kg).
@@retroonhisbikes Yes I suppose it must. But when a 40 km. crosswind gusts, the deep section rims behave like sails, moving the bike and 68kg. me abruptly sideways! Very unnerving on a fast descent
Best in-depth review I’ve seen. Very methodical and thorough approach. I thank you for your time and analysis. I’ll be investing in a set of these wheels later this month. Safe and happy riding.
My iCan wheels are really nice. I got full monocoque (trispoke and disc) so no chance of spoke tension issues. The carbon fibre is really good, tubeless is the best fit I've ever seen for easy setup. Only quibble is the front is slightly imbalanced, but once I add some weights it'll be perfect. And the front is so light adding a few grams won't be a problem.
Loved the intro Steve haha. Seems like a lot of tubers are getting the same wheels lately for review. The brands must be trying to get tubers to market their products. As long as reviews are honest and impartial, which yours. Not sold on the rims deeper than 45 myself as Ive found the 45 a sweet spot before wind becomes a detriment.
I have used a set of Aero 40 ICAN wheels for ~5000 miles and so far so good. Nothing to really talk about. One thing I like is that they are easy to get a 28 mm Continental GP5000 on. This is true for both the regular and tubules versions. Love that you took apart the hub like that and showed how to do it. Have not seen that done anywhere else! The 40 wheels are only about 1300 grams as well.
That was a good one again! About the spoke tension. No rim is perfect. Therefore you always have to find a compromise between trueness and spoke tension. ICANs approach seems to lay more focus on trueness than tension. When I build wheels I try to go the opposite way. I prefer to have a slightly untrue wheel but equal spoke tension. This should make the wheel less prone to spoke failure since all spokes carry the same load.
Just curious as I don’t know much about building wheels, but in the case of a rim brake wheel would you build it for more trueness for braking consistency?
I have those hubs in my LightBicycle wheels, had to change the bearings in the front and the outer bearing for the rear after a few months. A year on the inner rear and hub bearings are just about ok but ideally need changing.
My ICAN TriAero's are mostly pretty good. Within the first couple weeks I had a spoke pop out. I got it back in, took the bike to a shop & they mentioned the tension was off on both front & back, dish was out on front & back. Once we sorted that out... no problems ever. Other than maybe how hard it is to put my tubeless tires on... but that's ok. oh - & the fact I didn't order TriAero's. When I contacted ICAN - I never got a reply. Seeing as the TriAero's were a bit more expensive & it was mostly aesthetics I dropped it. So - I am a fan of the products, not the company. I will be doing another build this summer & most likely will be building a wheelset from scratch. ICAN most likely will not be a consideration.
I just ordered a pair of YISHUN mountain bike wheels w the 240 hubs and Sapim spokes, amazing price compared to something like ENVE, etc.. Supposed to be very durable, 30mm internal width
I bought FL 40 ican rim brake wheels in 2020 and use 25c at 120 psi rear and over 100 front. Lots of cracks in the asphalt and pea sized gravel on it in alaska ( pea sized grave is dumped on intersections for traction for cars in winter) I'm a light rider but drove into a really nasty pot hole 24"w x 12" and expected something would be damaged but it was fine a few others too but not so big. 4200 kilometers and work great. But carbon wheels are noisy (hollow sound) and noticeably stiffer than aluminum rims but I got used to it. I'd buy again if my bike disappeared. Oh yeah I aways clean road grit off my rims and brake shoes with water to minimize wear.
I appreciate the review but I’m curious why you set the spoke tension variance at 20% on this review but yet set it at 5% for Elite Wheels? Something doesn’t smell right to me. It would seem to me that the spoke tension variance would be a set value to measure all wheels spoke tensions at rather than setting it higher or lower to ensure tension is within the variance.
Hey oz, thanks for the review. Quick question, I have the same spoke tension tool as the one you have, are the readings equal to readings on a park tool TM-1? The Zitto TC-02 came with a tension converter sheet, but it doesn't seem to be the same conversions as the park tool conversion table... I guess the Park Tool TM-1 also reads deflection in mm... Thanks again for the review, you videos convinced me of buying a set of GO-ZONE carbon wheels, and I will also review and test them when they arrive.
Tensions vary with different rim and spoke types and arrangements. It's important to have a tension which matches rim strength...the wheel builder needs to know rim limitations.
I'm really surprised. I bought a frame and was totally disappointed on the quality. It looked nice but the thinness at the top tube was troubling. It was returned but I had to fork out the return postage. AFTER a lot of back and forth with them saying to keep it, that it was fine. Which clearly it was not
@@Silidons91 no inspection needed. The little cable outer frame grommet wouldn't sit right and you could see the carbon at the top of the top tube was paper thin. I'm not a carbon expert but that wasn't ok. And, you clearly missed the point. Which was that I was surprised you said they have good customer service. Yet, my experience was totally different and no matter how good they're wheels are (which clearly even with Oz's incredible video, they're definitely a bottom tier compared with other Chinese wheels) most riders don't own truing stands and aren't going to service their wheels BEFORE even mounting them.
@@jlatnyc I'm not sure how you can see how the carbon is paper thin, that's why I'm confused. Also, those things don't fit correctly on a lot of frames lol. It could be just a bit of over spray or if an unpainted frame, just not the best cut for the cable hole.
@@Silidons91 it was clearly visible when I took the grommet out and the amount of flex on the part was not acceptable. I don't squeeze my frames for the heck of it, but this one's flex and crackling sound with little pressure. No thanks, I wasn't letting my girlfriend ride that bicycle
I can see the trifox is finished. Will there be a review soonon that one? And thanks for the review! I just bought myself a triaero from ICAN, but havent bought the wheels yet.
Hi Oz. Great to see your videos and how you review and explain with high detail every single stuff. I have a question about a spoke tension tool you showed. Is it calibrated ? Do you Know how to do it by yourself ? with sapim spoke CX Ray how do you know the conversion measurements ? Thanks a lot in advance
I use the measurements for plotting a circular graph which is quick and easy to visualise indescrepencies. The overall tension should be determined by the wheel builder.
@@stevenleffanue thank you for answering so quickly. I´m learning the wheel building process and I have heard there´s a way to construct an easy tool to re-calibrate the spoke tension tool. Have you heard about it ? Do you Know where can I get some other information about calibrate the tool ? (Whatever tool it is, it will have to be recalibrated don´t you think so ? Thank you again. I really appreciate you share your Knowledge
Once again a very thorough and enjoyable review. You've done a number of carbon wheel reviews now. Overall, if you had to choose a single set of carbon wheels, would you choose the ICAN, Hyper or AVIAV wheels or something else? I've never ridden carbon rims nor deep section rim wheels. For this reason I was considering 38mm rather than 50mm with 28mm clincher tyres. I would appreciate your thoughts.
@@stevenleffanue Thanks. Based on price alone, the ICAN wheels look like the best offering, but if you had a choice between all of the carbon wheels you have reviewed, which would you say was the best value for money?
Depends on your usage and weighr. Yoeleo are rock solid , bullet proof wheels but slightly heavier. Winspace with carbon spokes are good race wheels. ICAN and Farsport good value for money.
Can you comment on how close to perfection or lack of imperfections you record when analyzing name brand wheels. Are they typically more “Perfect “ than Chinese wheels?
question about spokes, i can see they are touching on the point of crossing, they are even deformed due to this touch. Is that a bad thing? I havent seen that on any wheels recently, all spokes have each individual linefrom hub to rim. I suppose spokes to be even bended on the point of crossing are very oldschool. How about that?
Touching spokes where they cross has been the most common way of spoking wheels for many decades using steel spokes. It's only with carbon spokes this is not the case.
Great video and review. I like this brand and this video was very useful. I have some components and they are very good. Ican response is also very appreciated, hope they will improve.
I buy a pair of the ICAN alpha 50mm Disc wheelset and they have high speed drag and they are not as fast and slipper as the roval cl50mm and Rovalx50mm. Why these Chinese cannot make their carbon wheelset light like that of zipp and Roval and use the same hub design with smaller diameter bearings and use either Hybrid or full ceramic bearings. The Chinese factory can beat Roval and Zipp wheel revolution speed if they wanted to.
Some Chinese hubs or should i say Taiwanese hubs do have variations to bearing type and size. There's a fine line between bearing weight, friction and longevity. Bicycle wheels take the weight and the bearings especially the rear. The big brands do use ceramic but at the cost of longevity which is a non issue for world pro riders.
Brilliant stuff lads, I have a set of elite 60mm wheels as well as a set of zipp 303s and I find myself riding the cheap elites far more often - the exception being a strong cross winds day coz it’s a bit much at times. 👍
Thank you for the great video. Very professional. I watched it very enjoyable.
I’m sorry we didn’t adjust your wheels perfectly. Maybe it’s a fish that slipped through the net. But anyway, we will improve the quality of our hand-built worker to make the spoke tension and spoke twist best. We will keep going.
No major issues. All wheels have imperfections , your wheels certainly up to spec and perform great. 👍
I love that ICAN cycling has watched your video. Well done ICAN. After this review your rims are now on my shopping list.
@@davidclayton1803 Thank you for your support！and Where do you buy from，WEBSITE or ?
Ebay, free shipping is a +.
@@ICANCycling not much choices on your website for Australian warehouse
Great review! I'm on my second set of ICAN carbon wheels and I love them. I have the Aero 40's on my Giant TCR Advanced and they have performed rock solid for me for over two years. Fast and reliable and running disc brakes and tubeless the whole time.
Awesome ty, very informative. I'm almost 60, use to run a printing press and die cutting press. Mechanically inclined. Amazing the precision involved for the wheels. I don't have carbon wheels. I have 3 bikes; campagnolo ventos, Shimano R500, and Mavic ksyzium SL. These wheels are not the best but I've noticed they can take a huge hit and are still true. I live in upper state NY and the roads are horrible. Elmira NY. I don't know how to service them yet
I've had ICAN Aero wheels on both my road bikes for a couple years, one set disk (55) , one rim (50). I LOVE them. I've liked them better than a set of Yoeleos that I had. But obviously your experience may differ. This video was interesting to see the details. As always, I click on Oz videos.
I have a similar experience, two sets of both Ican Aero and Yoeloes and the Icans arrived better built and i measure as well.
Rode a 50mm disc carbon wheelset from Mantel, for about a year. Nice wheels, and apparently well built, but you can definitely feel the wind gusts. One day I was riding and the bike felt weird, like the front end was off, somehow. Took me a while to realize that the wind was turning the front wheel to one side, and I was instinctively pushing to the opposite side, while riding. That killed deep section wheels for me. I am now riding 30mm Progress Phantom alloys and dt Swiss er1600. Couldn't be happier. Also, I felt that carbon wheels where harsher than alloys, even with very low pressures (I ride 25mm and 28mm tires between 6bar and 6.5bar and I weigh 74kg).
My experience exactly. 55 mm icans descending a step mountain road, almost lost it due to a crosswind gust😬😬. No more deep section wheels for me.
Does the wind not blow against the wheel front and rear edges equally? I’ve hardly notice much with my 80mm wheels
@@retroonhisbikes Yes I suppose it must. But when a 40 km. crosswind gusts, the deep section rims behave like sails, moving the bike and 68kg. me abruptly sideways! Very unnerving on a fast descent
Best in-depth review I’ve seen. Very methodical and thorough approach. I thank you for your time and analysis. I’ll be investing in a set of these wheels later this month.
Safe and happy riding.
no kidding, this review is extremely in-depth
My iCan wheels are really nice. I got full monocoque (trispoke and disc) so no chance of spoke tension issues.
The carbon fibre is really good, tubeless is the best fit I've ever seen for easy setup.
Only quibble is the front is slightly imbalanced, but once I add some weights it'll be perfect. And the front is so light adding a few grams won't be a problem.
Loved the intro Steve haha. Seems like a lot of tubers are getting the same wheels lately for review. The brands must be trying to get tubers to market their products. As long as reviews are honest and impartial, which yours.
Not sold on the rims deeper than 45 myself as Ive found the 45 a sweet spot before wind becomes a detriment.
I have used a set of Aero 40 ICAN wheels for ~5000 miles and so far so good. Nothing to really talk about. One thing I like is that they are easy to get a 28 mm Continental GP5000 on. This is true for both the regular and tubules versions. Love that you took apart the hub like that and showed how to do it. Have not seen that done anywhere else! The 40 wheels are only about 1300 grams as well.
That was a good one again! About the spoke tension. No rim is perfect. Therefore you always have to find a compromise between trueness and spoke tension. ICANs approach seems to lay more focus on trueness than tension. When I build wheels I try to go the opposite way. I prefer to have a slightly untrue wheel but equal spoke tension. This should make the wheel less prone to spoke failure since all spokes carry the same load.
Just curious as I don’t know much about building wheels, but in the case of a rim brake wheel would you build it for more trueness for braking consistency?
Couldn’t wait for the road impressions. That was great. Thanks to you both! 👏🏼
I have those hubs in my LightBicycle wheels, had to change the bearings in the front and the outer bearing for the rear after a few months. A year on the inner rear and hub bearings are just about ok but ideally need changing.
Good video, very informative and great to see your daughter getting in on the Oz Cycle channel!
great review I have ordered these and will do the checks you did and hope for many happy miles
My ICAN TriAero's are mostly pretty good. Within the first couple weeks I had a spoke pop out. I got it back in, took the bike to a shop & they mentioned the tension was off on both front & back, dish was out on front & back.
Once we sorted that out... no problems ever. Other than maybe how hard it is to put my tubeless tires on... but that's ok.
oh - & the fact I didn't order TriAero's. When I contacted ICAN - I never got a reply. Seeing as the TriAero's were a bit more expensive & it was mostly aesthetics I dropped it.
So - I am a fan of the products, not the company.
I will be doing another build this summer & most likely will be building a wheelset from scratch. ICAN most likely will not be a consideration.
I just ordered a pair of YISHUN mountain bike wheels w the 240 hubs and Sapim spokes, amazing price compared to something like ENVE, etc.. Supposed to be very durable, 30mm internal width
Such a great test. Never seen something like that. Anyway i went streight to ican page and purchased wheels. :D
Based on this man's review, I am going to get ICAN wheels today.
I have a set of their Alpha 50...great value. I didnt use the rim tape they sent tho...kept getting flats and reused my old tape.
Yeah that tape is pretty standard from the manufacturers in China. It does move on the rim and doesn't create a tubeless seal either.
I bought FL 40 ican rim brake wheels in 2020 and use 25c at 120 psi rear and over 100 front. Lots of cracks in the asphalt and pea sized gravel on it in alaska ( pea sized grave is dumped on intersections for traction for cars in winter) I'm a light rider but drove into a really nasty pot hole 24"w x 12" and expected something would be damaged but it was fine a few others too but not so big. 4200 kilometers and work great. But carbon wheels are noisy (hollow sound) and noticeably stiffer than aluminum rims but I got used to it. I'd buy again if my bike disappeared. Oh yeah I aways clean road grit off my rims and brake shoes with water to minimize wear.
good to see an honest review of these non-known brands
BEST INTRO EVER!! XD
I appreciate the review but I’m curious why you set the spoke tension variance at 20% on this review but yet set it at 5% for Elite Wheels? Something doesn’t smell right to me. It would seem to me that the spoke tension variance would be a set value to measure all wheels spoke tensions at rather than setting it higher or lower to ensure tension is within the variance.
Hey oz, thanks for the review. Quick question, I have the same spoke tension tool as the one you have, are the readings equal to readings on a park tool TM-1? The Zitto TC-02 came with a tension converter sheet, but it doesn't seem to be the same conversions as the park tool conversion table...
I guess the Park Tool TM-1 also reads deflection in mm...
Thanks again for the review, you videos convinced me of buying a set of GO-ZONE carbon wheels, and I will also review and test them when they arrive.
Tensions vary with different rim and spoke types and arrangements. It's important to have a tension which matches rim strength...the wheel builder needs to know rim limitations.
they're also really good getting back to you customer service wise, great company
I'm really surprised. I bought a frame and was totally disappointed on the quality. It looked nice but the thinness at the top tube was troubling. It was returned but I had to fork out the return postage. AFTER a lot of back and forth with them saying to keep it, that it was fine. Which clearly it was not
@@jlatnyc are you just going off of your opinion on how thin it was or did you actually get it inspected?
@@Silidons91 no inspection needed. The little cable outer frame grommet wouldn't sit right and you could see the carbon at the top of the top tube was paper thin. I'm not a carbon expert but that wasn't ok. And, you clearly missed the point. Which was that I was surprised you said they have good customer service. Yet, my experience was totally different and no matter how good they're wheels are (which clearly even with Oz's incredible video, they're definitely a bottom tier compared with other Chinese wheels) most riders don't own truing stands and aren't going to service their wheels BEFORE even mounting them.
@@jlatnyc I'm not sure how you can see how the carbon is paper thin, that's why I'm confused. Also, those things don't fit correctly on a lot of frames lol. It could be just a bit of over spray or if an unpainted frame, just not the best cut for the cable hole.
@@Silidons91 it was clearly visible when I took the grommet out and the amount of flex on the part was not acceptable. I don't squeeze my frames for the heck of it, but this one's flex and crackling sound with little pressure. No thanks, I wasn't letting my girlfriend ride that bicycle
How do these compare to the Elite Wheels you reviewed in terms of quality, build and riding?
I can see the trifox is finished. Will there be a review soonon that one? And thanks for the review! I just bought myself a triaero from ICAN, but havent bought the wheels yet.
Yes , Trifox build n review soon
Hi Oz. Great to see your videos and how you review and explain with high detail every single stuff. I have a question about a spoke tension tool you showed. Is it calibrated ? Do you Know how to do it by yourself ? with sapim spoke CX Ray how do you know the conversion measurements ? Thanks a lot in advance
I use the measurements for plotting a circular graph which is quick and easy to visualise indescrepencies. The overall tension should be determined by the wheel builder.
@@stevenleffanue thank you for answering so quickly. I´m learning the wheel building process and I have heard there´s a way to construct an easy tool to re-calibrate the spoke tension tool. Have you heard about it ? Do you Know where can I get some other information about calibrate the tool ? (Whatever tool it is, it will have to be recalibrated don´t you think so ? Thank you again. I really appreciate you share your Knowledge
Prolly best to consult the tools manufacturer
For big riders(6'1-200pounds) which of this carbon brands wheelsets you reviewed is better? Rim brakes.
I've been riding Ican wheels for years nice wheels
Once again a very thorough and enjoyable review.
You've done a number of carbon wheel reviews now. Overall, if you had to choose a single set of carbon wheels, would you choose the ICAN, Hyper or AVIAV wheels or something else? I've never ridden carbon rims nor deep section rim wheels. For this reason I was considering 38mm rather than 50mm with 28mm clincher tyres. I would appreciate your thoughts.
Also depends upon your weight
@@stevenleffanue Thanks.
Based on price alone, the ICAN wheels look like the best offering, but if you had a choice between all of the carbon wheels you have reviewed, which would you say was the best value for money?
Depends on your usage and weighr. Yoeleo are rock solid , bullet proof wheels but slightly heavier. Winspace with carbon spokes are good race wheels. ICAN and Farsport good value for money.
@@stevenleffanue Thanks for the advice. Its one of those things that would be nice if there was a try before you buy facility.
Can you comment on how close to perfection or lack of imperfections you record when analyzing name brand wheels. Are they typically more “Perfect “ than Chinese wheels?
Great job! Thanks for the upload!
Laughing my butt off. Love the intro mate!
question about spokes, i can see they are touching on the point of crossing, they are even deformed due to this touch. Is that a bad thing? I havent seen that on any wheels recently, all spokes have each individual linefrom hub to rim. I suppose spokes to be even bended on the point of crossing are very oldschool. How about that?
Touching spokes where they cross has been the most common way of spoking wheels for many decades using steel spokes. It's only with carbon spokes this is not the case.
Great video and review.
I like this brand and this video was very useful. I have some components and they are very good.
Ican response is also very appreciated, hope they will improve.
You tried oil squirt dry?
How’s the braking performance?
It's disc brake
What's your opinion on Winspace 50's vs Ican aero 50's?
Winspace better for racing....stiffer , very zippy.
Ican average performance but good value for money
@@stevenleffanue cheers
Can you please review caden wheels next
Will see if I can get a hold of a set
😊
After 20 years I can't even hear my MTB freehub anymore.
I used it in a bus for special trips
ican kick ass
My Ican Aero 55 set weight 1485gr(Ican specif. is 1487+-20gr) .Freehub is alu not 100gr heavier steel like on footage.WTF?
YOELEO I like
These look like a great product. But I just can't get beyond the goofy brand name.
Alu rims are so slow compare to carbon aero 55
I buy a pair of the ICAN alpha 50mm Disc wheelset and they have high speed drag and they are not as fast and slipper as the roval cl50mm and Rovalx50mm. Why these Chinese cannot make their carbon wheelset light like that of zipp and Roval and use the same hub design with smaller diameter bearings and use either Hybrid or full ceramic bearings. The Chinese factory can beat Roval and Zipp wheel revolution speed if they wanted to.
Some Chinese hubs or should i say Taiwanese hubs do have variations to bearing type and size. There's a fine line between bearing weight, friction and longevity. Bicycle wheels take the weight and the bearings especially the rear. The big brands do use ceramic but at the cost of longevity which is a non issue for world pro riders.
@@glennoc8585 Very good reply.
I like your video ,but I don’t like I Can carbon wheels 😱👇
Brilliant stuff lads, I have a set of elite 60mm wheels as well as a set of zipp 303s and I find myself riding the cheap elites far more often - the exception being a strong cross winds day coz it’s a bit much at times. 👍