my brain only feels the tempo that the drums are at, so i feel it recursively speeding up and resetting, but what's fun is tapping quarter notes the first time and them becoming 8th then 16th and 32nd and just trying to keep up lol
*don't you love it when an MLP theorist appears on a video from a microtonal musician to talk about freaking Risset Rhythms* (don't ask about this comment)
Seeing the mechanics behind the illusion is like seeing the actual shape of that 90° twisting hallway of the Forest Temple in _The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time._
That tip of un-syncing the delay from the tempo if you're automating tempo is gold! I always ran into that problem when writing with a changing tempo so I eventually abandoned the concept. Kinda can't believe it's that simple, kudos
Nice one! Reaper is good for making Risset variations, as it lets you automate the playback rate. I've even done a few that triple the tempo (and thus sample rate) over the cycle, rather than doubling, as Claude Risset's original does.
This is great stuff. I've been planning an album for a while now, and Risset rhythms were one of the things I wanted to use. Great to see how well it works here. I love the track!
This is amazing, I hope you don't mind if I attempt this for myself for a song. More of these kinds of videos would be very exciting to me if you do any more in the future
I'm honoured you enjoy my music. Believe it or not I hold down a full time job and only do this music stuff as a hobby. There will be more, but it might take a while :)
Wow programming this must have been a headache, (especially the drums) - but well worth it. Did you just manually edit each midi part, clicking and dragging the patterns to condense and expand accordingly? Seems like that would result in a lot of guess and check editing since it wouldnt sound good playing back until much of it was in place. Anyway, great song and awesome of you to share some of the behind the scenes creativity that went into it
yes that's how I did it. a lot of trial and error, and nudging things until they sounded ok. this is one of my simpler looking projects to be fair but yes I keep things organised enough. I should share some more of these behind the scenes videos..
ngl i already sampled your beautiful voice To be honest, I expected both for it to go faster, like speedcore levels and, a twist somewhere during the song, so not expecting it doesn't count.
It's cool to see how you pulled it off! Did you run across the concept of Risset rhythms online, or did you think of the idea yourself and then figure out how to do it from there?
No I didn't think of it myself! It took a long time before I wanted to try it, but I've listened to examples and read about this stuff. I think it's fascinating and the are more ideas to explore there. My execution on this track needs some work, I think I will try things differently next time I attempt such rhythms, if I'm honest.
The way it's laid out in my DAW is probably different than how a musician would notate the measures, but here's how it looks to me: 16 measures. Start of measure 1 is 37.75 BPM. Linear ramp to the start of measure 9 at 286 BPM. Linear ramp to start of measure 16 at 536.28 BPM. From that point there's a lot of constant gradual nudging of BPM in a way that's difficult to explain and probably very difficult to chart. Having charted many tunes on stepmania in my years I know you're gonna be at it for a while...
I'm not sure what I could show - my equipment right now is mainly a desktop computer and a pair of headphones. I have no dedicated studio space so I can't set up monitor speakers, instruments, MIDI controllers. My home is tiny, it's really a pain. But in a few years I want to move somewhere where I can have a dedicated studio space.
For channels with video ads they might be able to make it work, but I don't want video ads ruining people's listening experience. UA-cam is still a great promotional tool, a way to get heard and also to connect with people
i did this in about 2016 to create a sound that i called "flowtrance". i took basic psytrance structure and just made a tempo map of ramp ups/downs. did a full tribute album to terence mckenna with permission to use his lectures in the record, so i created this: psilozilox.bandcamp.com/releases i called it flowtrance, i think you may enjoy it. there's also a cool track with ram dass samples in it as well. seeing someone else doing this midi tempo changing thing is really intense for me. i thought i was the only one! back in the day when i was recording those records, i would use ableton live to map the tempo and send it externally to my tr-8 drum machine, my king korg/tb3,03, and my microbrute. I used to have to record each track individually through my external r16 recorder, starting with drums, sending the tempo map through ableton to the tr-8, pressing record on the system and just sitting with the drum machine changing patterns and flowing with the track. once that was done, i'd start with the basslines, and then layer on other synths, slowly tweaking the reso/cutoff/accents of all my 303 units doing the basslines/acid lines, then the other synths i had plugged in at the time. this idea went through two renditions, the first one i used this tempo map but only really used the kick drum on the tr-8, kind of going for a tribalistic drumming trancey kind of feel. did a whole album of that, originally got the rights to use one mckenna lecture and one ram dass lecture in that album. then about a year later, i got inspired to revisit the concept and redid it with full tr-8 drummy goodness, aiming for more of a psytrancey thing with snares and hats and all that lovely stuff. that's when i got the rights to do the mckenna tribute album. that production changed my life, straight up. got me into a blessed engineering school
Coincidentally I opened one a couple weeks ago. I don't want to post an invite link publicly but I can send you one in private. Maybe you could post your discord id here or, if you want to keep that a secret, send me a note through sevish.com/contact and I'll reply back with an invite link.
That's awesome, that was my favorite part of the song. It really catches your attention
my brain only feels the tempo that the drums are at, so i feel it recursively speeding up and resetting, but what's fun is tapping quarter notes the first time and them becoming 8th then 16th and 32nd and just trying to keep up lol
*don't you love it when an MLP theorist appears on a video from a microtonal musician to talk about freaking Risset Rhythms* (don't ask about this comment)
My favorite part of the song, thank you for elaborating. Very interesting stuff
wow i cant believe im this early. im a huge fan of yours, and so far this tutorial is very intriguing.
much love from the states :)
Seeing the mechanics behind the illusion is like seeing the actual shape of that 90° twisting hallway of the Forest Temple in _The Legend of Zelda: Ocarina of Time._
That tip of un-syncing the delay from the tempo if you're automating tempo is gold! I always ran into that problem when writing with a changing tempo so I eventually abandoned the concept. Kinda can't believe it's that simple, kudos
Super cool little technique. Duly noted, thanks for sharing!
Dope, it is essentially a rhythmic shepard tone indeed. I wonder what it would sound like if the midi sequencing is as fluid as the bpm automation.
Oh wait, would that mean nothing happens? lol
@@benyamind Yeah that's right!
Nice one! Reaper is good for making Risset variations, as it lets you automate the playback rate. I've even done a few that triple the tempo (and thus sample rate) over the cycle, rather than doubling, as Claude Risset's original does.
Whenever I need a pint of very cool avant garde music theory presented in a very cool approachable way I go to Sevish's channel. 👍
i just clicked this to hear your voice no cap
Thanx and your new "Song"is fantastic (as usual)!
This is great stuff. I've been planning an album for a while now, and Risset rhythms were one of the things I wanted to use. Great to see how well it works here. I love the track!
That's so cool!
This is amazing, I hope you don't mind if I attempt this for myself for a song.
More of these kinds of videos would be very exciting to me if you do any more in the future
For sure, have fun!
music is math
If music is math everything is math
@@Eichelprinzessin if everything is math then music is math
@@Eichelprinzessin this seems to be the case so far
@@treehann 🤯
YEAH, THAT'S RIGHT
i love your music & revere your talent mate. pls give us more! (:
I'm honoured you enjoy my music. Believe it or not I hold down a full time job and only do this music stuff as a hobby. There will be more, but it might take a while :)
Thanks for sharing!
that's so cool!!! thank you sm for sharing
Wow programming this must have been a headache, (especially the drums) - but well worth it. Did you just manually edit each midi part, clicking and dragging the patterns to condense and expand accordingly? Seems like that would result in a lot of guess and check editing since it wouldnt sound good playing back until much of it was in place. Anyway, great song and awesome of you to share some of the behind the scenes creativity that went into it
Also hilarious how clean and organized this project looks compared to mine. Shout out to bitwig too for such a clean design (I use cubase)
yes that's how I did it. a lot of trial and error, and nudging things until they sounded ok. this is one of my simpler looking projects to be fair but yes I keep things organised enough. I should share some more of these behind the scenes videos..
ngl i already sampled your beautiful voice
To be honest, I expected both for it to go faster, like speedcore levels and, a twist somewhere during the song, so not expecting it doesn't count.
Thank you very much for this! Great explanation :)
You're awesome dude!
amazing
Ive always wanted to make a song using risset/ shepards tone
Except instead of the faster rhythms fading out, they'd become the low frequency pitches of the shepards tone. So they would both be one
bitwig! just got it. thanks for the lesson ~~ love the album
Dolly zoom of music.
It's cool to see how you pulled it off! Did you run across the concept of Risset rhythms online, or did you think of the idea yourself and then figure out how to do it from there?
No I didn't think of it myself! It took a long time before I wanted to try it, but I've listened to examples and read about this stuff. I think it's fascinating and the are more ideas to explore there. My execution on this track needs some work, I think I will try things differently next time I attempt such rhythms, if I'm honest.
YOU'RE GENIUS!
HOPE I CAN PRODUCE AT YOUR LEVEL SOMEDAY 💯
Sheppard tone. I knew it!
What DAW do u use?
Bitwig Studio :)
cool.
Haha that's twisted... bumping up the tempo while periodically halving the rate of the midi notes! 🤣👌
How many measures does the speedup section last for and what exactly is the rate at which the tempo increases? Charting reasons.
The way it's laid out in my DAW is probably different than how a musician would notate the measures, but here's how it looks to me: 16 measures. Start of measure 1 is 37.75 BPM. Linear ramp to the start of measure 9 at 286 BPM. Linear ramp to start of measure 16 at 536.28 BPM. From that point there's a lot of constant gradual nudging of BPM in a way that's difficult to explain and probably very difficult to chart. Having charted many tunes on stepmania in my years I know you're gonna be at it for a while...
Ima steel dis! 🥺💙
That is brilliant thank you very much! I m sure you´re familiar with Family Galaxy from Tim Exil.
would you be interested in giving us a general tour of the equipment you use?
I'm not sure what I could show - my equipment right now is mainly a desktop computer and a pair of headphones. I have no dedicated studio space so I can't set up monitor speakers, instruments, MIDI controllers. My home is tiny, it's really a pain. But in a few years I want to move somewhere where I can have a dedicated studio space.
For channels with video ads they might be able to make it work, but I don't want video ads ruining people's listening experience. UA-cam is still a great promotional tool, a way to get heard and also to connect with people
i did this in about 2016 to create a sound that i called "flowtrance". i took basic psytrance structure and just made a tempo map of ramp ups/downs. did a full tribute album to terence mckenna with permission to use his lectures in the record, so i created this: psilozilox.bandcamp.com/releases i called it flowtrance, i think you may enjoy it. there's also a cool track with ram dass samples in it as well. seeing someone else doing this midi tempo changing thing is really intense for me. i thought i was the only one! back in the day when i was recording those records, i would use ableton live to map the tempo and send it externally to my tr-8 drum machine, my king korg/tb3,03, and my microbrute. I used to have to record each track individually through my external r16 recorder, starting with drums, sending the tempo map through ableton to the tr-8, pressing record on the system and just sitting with the drum machine changing patterns and flowing with the track. once that was done, i'd start with the basslines, and then layer on other synths, slowly tweaking the reso/cutoff/accents of all my 303 units doing the basslines/acid lines, then the other synths i had plugged in at the time. this idea went through two renditions, the first one i used this tempo map but only really used the kick drum on the tr-8, kind of going for a tribalistic drumming trancey kind of feel. did a whole album of that, originally got the rights to use one mckenna lecture and one ram dass lecture in that album. then about a year later, i got inspired to revisit the concept and redid it with full tr-8 drummy goodness, aiming for more of a psytrancey thing with snares and hats and all that lovely stuff. that's when i got the rights to do the mckenna tribute album. that production changed my life, straight up. got me into a blessed engineering school
Like Hans Zimmer's Interstellar theme
0:44 🤣🤣🤣
have you ever thought of making a discord server or something of the sort?
Coincidentally I opened one a couple weeks ago. I don't want to post an invite link publicly but I can send you one in private. Maybe you could post your discord id here or, if you want to keep that a secret, send me a note through sevish.com/contact and I'll reply back with an invite link.
@@Sevish awesome! i'm tail panda#5469
@@Sevish Could you add me too? I'm muteqx#3240 - thanks! :-)
I'll try getting in as well, Nigu#6057
I knew sevish wasnt american
By some biological reactions