WHY immigrant clubs are about more than football
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- Football and immigration - two things that played a huge role in making Germany what it is today. And the two fit together as well - Germany has hundreds of football clubs founded by immigrants. In Munich, Türkgücü München have made history by becoming the first of these sides to ever play at a fully professional level. While this ambitious club mixes it up in the 3. Liga, countless smaller sides like FC Polonia or SV Norden-Nordwest in Berlin act as points of pride and community centers for immigrants around the country. Kick off! reporter Dave Braneck travels the nation to see how immigrant football clubs shape German football and society.
Report by Dave Braneck
Editing: Phil Czegka
Camera: Joe Wright, Thomas Lemmer
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Ha like Portuguese immigrant club Wolverhampton wanderers 😂 wolves
lol
Ahahhahahahaha So True.
They need Cristiano there
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Nah
That's the Jorge Mendes's club
That doesnt count 🤣
See the problem with Türkgücü is by no means their name, their logo or their identity. Sure there are racist douchebags who hate Türkgücü due to that, and that‘s disgusting. It‘s just another plastic club. They had less than 500 fans in attendances on average in the fourth division last year. They don‘t have a big fan base, that‘s been filling up stadiums every season no matter what division like Essen, Aachen, Cottbus, Offenbach, the two Leipzig sides, and many more, that are all stuck in the fourth tier because the number of places in the professional league is limited. And one of those highly desired places is going to a club that, two years ago was just another irrelevant amateur side, and that is just there because some millionaire felt like owning a new toy. Being able to spend big bucks (without ever accomplishing something to be in that position) in the sixth division, welp there goes the fair competition. Talking about being the number 2 in Munich when literally no one, even in Munich, knew them just a year ago, and about the Champions League before ever playing a game in the third division... that‘s just ridiculous
also if you criticize them they will call you a nazi because they have no arguments to counter yours and because they are turks and you are german.... I hate them for always playing the victim... I have all the rights to dislike them especially since I am a bayern munich fan and our second team plays derbys against them in the 3rd division
And a few years later.. they disappeared like everyone predicted
Technically some major clubs are immigrant clubs. Barcelona was created by British and Swiss immigrants. And English immigrants created AC Milan, Ajax, Genoa, Corinthians and Athletic Bilbao.
And Germans (Preisn) created FC Bayern if that counts ;)
@Παναγιώτης Γεωργίου no, Corinthians is a British school and founded by British people.
I don't think any of these clubs has any connection with english immigrant colonies on these countries or have any importance to their identity, history and culture.
@Alex Kanyima What is typical of identity politics?
@Alex Kanyima And where did you identified these things? I didn't see any political worries in any answer but yours. I saw people saying that technically some clubs could be considered immigrant clubs because they were founded by imigrants (and they are right, technically they could) to what I replied saying that, in my opinion, what makes a club an immigrant club in practice, is the ties with the colony (the immigrant comunity living in the country), not only the nationality of those who have founded the clubs, because many of them didn't have the intention to create an immigrant club, but just a club, while others had the will to found a club that represented their immigrant community and create ties with it. I still can't see where is the polarization or the identity politics content.
There’s also an Italian immigrant club called Lupo Martini Wolfsburg. It was founded by Italian immigrants who worked at the Volkswagen factories.
up until last year they were in the 4th division!
Unfortunately, only the coach and two players are italian
Hellas Verona was also an immigrant club. It was created by Greek high school students that lived in the city but now is considered a fully Italian team.
There's an amateur club in the US called Brooklyn Italians. It has a deep history and is now focused on youth development. It's a community based organization.
Dave's seen them play in the US Open Cup! Definitely a cool club with lots of great history.
@@dwkickoff They've even won it and had a chance to play in the CONCACAF Champions' Cup(similar to Champions League) as a result in 1991.
@@inquisitive871 the first U.S. club in the CONCACAF Champions Cup was New York Hungaria, so the U.S., be it none are professional clubs, have a history of immigrant based football clubs. New York Hungaria died back in 2000, formed back in 1923. Philadelphia Ukrainians (Est. 1950), New York Greek American (Est. 1941) are other examples of immigrat clubs from the U.S. taking part in the Champions Cup back in the 60s.
@@inquisitive871 FA EURO NY?
Romanians este missing from that stage!!
Thx for visit us in BLN !
Thanks for having us! Dziękuję!
Brazil in the past had 3 teams called Palestra Italia. Palmeiras in São Paulo, Cruzeiro in Minas Gerais and one of the teams who merged in toParaná Clube in Paraná.
Was quite surprised and heartened to have Australian football mentioned. For well over a century, football in Australia has been dominated by immigrant clubs. Be it by Scottish clubs from C. 1900 to C. 1939, with Greek, Italian, Dutch and Croatian clubs being the dominate groups from the post-war era into around the 1980s where clubs were forced to superficially sacrifice their community identities in order to appeal to "all Australians"...
My own club South Melbourne was founded by a merger of an English club (South Melbourne United) and the recently created Hellas, itself a club created by the merging of two Greek clubs. Currently, a committee of 35 clubs are working towards a second national division and instituting promotion and relegation at a national level. Most of these 35 clubs have some sort of "ethnic" association and many of them formally played at a national level prior to the A-League. Furthermore, Optus Sport, the main football streaming service here has been producing a series of videos looking at the role of immigrants in football here. One of their videos includes the role of Germans.
Australia is a fascinating case when it comes to immigrant clubs!
The A league will fail shortly and the old clubs will rise again, only hope the passion stays but the 'homeland' politics fades
yo these stories of smaller clubs are friggin awesome to follow 🖤
keep it up!
1 year later and promotion to the 2. Liga isn't far off. Great for this team.
I'm an aussie and at one stage our top flight was made up of mostly immigrant clubs (we call them ethnic clubs) primarily based in Sydney and Melbourne and because of the corruption from these clubs as well as the racial violence's from some of these clubs fans we ended up having to dissolve the NSL our top flight at the time and replace it with the A-League which is a league of mostly new franchise clubs
Not just in Sydney and Melbourne Nearly all of Adelaides local clubs comes from either Italian or Greek roots
@@tundeinafrica Bulk of the ethnic NSL clubs were from Sydney and Melbourne, not saying other cities did not have them but the bulk of them that competed in the NSL were from Sydney and Melbourne
You guys used to have pro-rel?
@@inquisitive871 we never had a proper pro/rel system in place rather teams usually came and went due to induvial clubs financial situations as the NSL was Semi Pro and Travel across Australia and in the Later years New Zealand is expensive (Cheaper to go to NZ from the east coast then Perth)
Hi from an East Bengal fan, Robbie Fowler's new club
Regardless what cultural background you come from, respect each other, live peacefully is the most important
You all are back with a bang !!!!❤️❤️
This isnt a football club but in rugby there is the London Irish RFC
i don't have any problem with Türkgücü München representing a specific community, my problem with the club is the fact, that the investor of the club has full authority and is another case of the trend that you can buy your success in german football, i have and will always critizise whenever i see such a case, whether it's TSG Hoffenheim, RB Leipzig, Türkgücü München or KFC Uerdingen.
Good point, it's important to separate criticism against the club that have issues with ethnic clubs generally, and those that have issues with investors and Türkgücü's ownership structure.
Hibernian are not Glaswegian they're from Edinburgh so represent the Irish community of Edinburgh not Glasgow
Great catch! Of course they're not both in Glasgow, sorry about that.
Could there be a potential derby between 1860 and Turkgücü? Both these clubs will be battling to be Munich’s second club.
not really. Türkgücü is seen as a plastic club by everyone. 1860 sadly do have their sheik Ismaik, but he doesn't spend as much as Türkgücüs investor and 1860 had lots of history before Ismaik.
Yeah
TheJoern true. In munich there‘s us and there‘s bayern. You can‘t buy your way in like Türkgücü did
Not possible. 1860 will always be Bayern's local rival. But even Bayern II was better than them last season lol.
Bayern 2 will be the second Team in munich xd
I thought it was all about diversity nowadays.
diversity only for the immigrants :))
Are there any immigrant clubs in Spain I know they have a large Latin American population it’d be interesting and cool if they had any immigrant clubs in Spain
This is one of the next videos you’ve done. I think you could spend years doing ones around NYC. There are more languages spoken in the borough of Queens than anywhere else in the world!
Guys....Hibernian FC is from Edinburgh. And many many Argentina clubs were started by immigrants
Thanks Hernan! We slipped up there and appreciate your pointing it out.
@@dwkickoff Nice one, now give me a job as a researcher
3:50 "intergration"
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My new favourite football channel on UA-cam! Love how they show so much diversity around the footballing world and the detail they give about everything they report on is perfectly in-depth!
I'm not living in Germany, but I got a point about the immigrants clubs. I have a problem with the immigrants teams in the professional leagues like Bundesliga, Bundesliga 2, abd 3 Liga, That these teams won't help the immigrants integrate into the society and the new country they're in, like for example Turkgucu München, is a team in the 3.Liga, let us say that I'm a German from Turkish descents and I'm living in Frankfurt which team should I support? Turkgucu München or Eintracht Frankfurt? If I chose Turkgucu than I'm doing something that won't make me integrate into the German society and that would give the chance to the racists. But if there are amateur immigrants teams then it's okay.
I'm open to any discussion, because I could be wrong.
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Sim, tô aqui, o que cê sabe que um clube brasileiro foi fundado na Alemanha
Where is the journalist from?
from the US state that ranks second among states in blueberry production
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I would see this back when I used to play in my local league. It was always very interesting to play clubs that were made up of specific ethnic groups. We would play against clubs that were pure Salvadorian, whom despite being mostly short players, they were real quick on the ball lol. Some clubs were also made up of people who attended a specific church in the area.
what about real immigrant teams like Panionios and Anorthosis that were forced to migrate after wars? What about AEK who was forced to leave their identity as Pera Club in Constantinople and reeastablish itself as Athletic Union of Constantinople - AEK in Athens? AEK' success is current, not to be as some German team in the 3rd division wannabe
Great call, and some others have pointed it out as well. AEK are a great example, both for their historic roots and ongoing success.
@@dwkickoff don't forget also, that in 1999 AEK travelled to Belgrade, while it was bombed, and played a friendly game with Partizan, forcing NATO to stop bombing for 24 hours. This would justify a video by itself "The team that stopped a war"
@@hm2255 Wow ok now I need to read more about AEK, that sounds like a club rich with history. I had never known that much about Greek football, I'm curious now. Thanks for the comment and sharing these stories.
Those are not immigrant teams. They are refugee teams.
It's Istanbul. ;)
Eine Schande, ich spuck auf diesen Club. Er gehört und wird nie zu Deutschland gehören!
I would like to correct you on a pretty big and pretty offensive mistake: Hibs ( Hibernian) are an Edinburgh team we were founded by the Edinburgh Irish immigrant population in the cowgate district of Edinburgh known as little Ireland not in Glasgow there is some assumption us and Celtic are the same team we're not I hate Celtic because I hate Glasgow please check your facts in the future.
Thanks for pointing this out and we apologize for the mistake! It's also been mentioned a few times before. This was a slip of the tongue and we certainly didn't mean to lump Glasgow and Edinburgh or Celtic and Hibs together like that, sorry!
@@dwkickoff That's fine I'm just used to people saying through ignorance these things happen
This is why Germany has so many diversity in there team.
@Alex Kanyima True with a lot mix Ethnic groups.
@Alex Kanyima It happen in France
@Alex Kanyima Belgium need some more young players for the future.
FC Polonia Berlin thats moore than a club ;) ynwim
"C" is pronounced as "j" in Turkish not "ch". Everybody continues making that mistake.
It is a tricky one to get right but thanks for the tip. Think Emre Jan and we are on our way
Sound fascism to me.
You open a video on any topic, which was made in Germany.
You get a lecture about how bad is far-right...
It is not, that I want to defend them, but... are they really that important?
Do you think the far-right are irrelevant on a topic that specifically deals with immigration and the acceptance of immigrant and minority communities? Türkgücü's first match, though played without fans, was under heavy police presence because the 'III. Weg', a German far-right group, planned on protesting an immigrant club playing at such a high level.
I can't think if syrians create a club in my country?! :D
kürküchü
Please am in turkey 🇹🇷🇹🇷
How can I join team second division?
Your opinion is good for me gus
My life is football ⚽️⚽️⚽️💔
Hersey Türkgücü icin🇹🇷
First comment without watching the video
Yo same profile
Germany cant say anything about this. They git atleast til 2045
This was a really interesting watch. Great content.
Thanks for that, we're glad you liked it!
@@dwkickoff What about a club that pushed a German ethnic identity first and foremost, like this Turkish immigrant team?
India's top teir club East Bengal is an immigrant club formed 100 years ago
#JoyEastBengal 💛❤️
Is it Mohan Bagun
@Pandurang Gireesh Mohun Bagan AC is represented by the Bengali Hindus who were originally from West Bengal.
East Bengal FC represents the Bengali Hindus who immigrated to West Bengal from East Bengal/East Pakistan/Bangladesh.
Mohammedan SC represents the Bengali Muslims of West Bengal.
Thank you 🙂 Peace ✌🏽
@@ObitoUchiha10089 wow thank you so much for that info, didn't know much about regional indian teams, cheers man and have a nice day
I dont know how i feel about they play in Germany but they wear another flag on their jersey. I am not sure if thats very respectful
Turkgucu's badge is a mix between the Turkish and Bavarian flags, so they're not only representing Turkey, but Munich as well.
@@dwkickoff Well, it's turkish and bavarian. The Munich colours are black and yellow.
AC Milan has a England flag on the Emblem
The Flag on the AC Milan Badge is because the city of Milan’s flag is the same or because the founders were English
@@oadah7989 what’s about FC Genoa or Barcelona ?!
In Iran , we also had an immigrant club called "Ararat Tehran F.C" ,which was a very old armenian club and home of many armenian iranian players (Andranik Teymourian, Markar Aghajanyan , Edmond Bezik
, Serjik Teymourian). The club dissolved in 2009. We used to have at least one armenian player in national team, but the last one was Ando Teymourian.
Another semi ethnic club is "Tractor Sazi Tabriz" (the richest iranian club nowadays) , which has 90% Azerbaijani-Iranian fan base. But unfortunately other ethnic groups like Kurds, Arabs,... don't have any immigrant based clubs.
It needs to be said , many of the iranian football legends have Azerbaijani or Kurdish or arabic or armenian descents.
(like Ali Daei maybe the biggest iranian footballer of all time with Azerbaijan descent or Sardar Azmoun with Turkmen descent)
No one gives a shit about diversity and social justice crap in muslim countries. All critical theories are reserved for western nations.
I think arabs have foolad khuzestan .
A team from the arab province of iran
@@knightf8648 That's true. That's why it's the middle east and it sucks and it's a constant war between different groups of people
@@Ali-ve6bj Foolad isn't that ethnic though. I would say Naft Abadan has more Arab-speaking fans.
I think the real interesting stories about immigrant clubs arent in Germany. In Sweden, several immigrant clubs have been participating in the top flight. Assyriska FF founded by Assyrian immigrants, Syrianska FC founded by Cyriak immigrants and Dalkurd FF founded by Kurdish immigrants. Assyriska FF even reached a club final, so they actually had an immigrant club one game away from European football. Immigrant clubs are a much bigger part of Swedish football than they ever have been in Germany.
That's an excellent point, immigrant clubs might be more impactful in Sweden than anywhere else. Türkgücü have quite a bit of work ahead of them if they want to hit those heights.
Brazil has, probably, the most successfull immigrant clubs in the world: Vasco da Gama (Portugal), Palmeiras (Italy) and Cruzeiro (Italy). All three won national leagues and south american championship (Copa Libertadores). I think Vasco da Gama has the most interesting history of them, because it is the only club considered big (we have 12 big clubs) that started in the last division and conquered his place among the best and because it was the first considered big to accept poor and black players, being kicked of Rio de Janeiro league because of that, after being champion (in the year of its debut in the first division) and refusing to expel 12 poor or black players as the other clubs (feeling humiliated) demanded.
Demography is also important in this history. 20% of Rio de Janeiro population was composed by portuguese, 31% by sons and daughters of portuguese man or woman in the time the club was founded. Only Lisbon has more portuguese inhabitants than Rio de Janeiro. All other portuguese cities had less portuguese inhabitants than Rio de Janeiro.
@@Lexrezende Wow I'm Brazilian and I didn't know that. Vasco is an interesting team indeed. Thank you for the quick history class about it. I hope they can get better sooner than later, it's always saddening to see them reduced to a yoyo club.
@@RenegadeShepard69 It will take a long time. Almost 20 years in the hands of corrupted and bad administrations are very difficult to reverse.
Yes Sir!!
2:22 and 3:28 Vince Staples "Norf Norf" Beat!
4:09 Souls of Mischief - 93 Til Infinity !
Nice catch!
@@dwkickoff
Good musical taste, without a doubt, and excellent reporting. Keep it up! Cheers From Portugal.
Türkgücü münchen We don't know it in Germany
I feel like you don't know what you're talking about.I won't get into any details but if you create a team with the flag of a country this is not multicultural.It's just turkish.I hope you get that at least.
Türkgücü's symbol is made up of both the Turkish and Bavarian flags. They make it clear they represent Munich as well as the Turkish community! And many of these clubs coming together is what makes a broader society multicultural. It's about the bigger picture, not just the individual clubs.
@@dwkickoff doesn't make it multicultural for me
Turkey is by far more multicultural than Germany
@@Rudkovskyyy kurds armenians assyrians and greeks don't approve your comment
Rudkovskyyy they are not
Türgugü München must be abolished.
If youare a German of Turkish origins then you must be loyal to Germany.
Soil above blood
The founder of the New York cosmos was turkish
And last friday Türkügü München is bankrupt
Vasco da Gama is probably the club with a national and a continental title that has the deepest ties with the founder immigrants country in the world. Palmeiras and Cruzeiro were founded by Italians (both were called Palestra Italia before second war, when they were forced to change their names and become more brazilian and less italian), but I don't think many italians know that. Vasco da Gama, on the other hand, is well known in Portugal and club membership is accepted as prove of ties with the portuguese colony in the process to one obtain portuguese nationality by the Portuguese Consulate in Brazil.
In the time the club was founded, 20% of Rio de Janeiro population was composed by portuguese immigrants. The second city in the world in number of portuguese inhabitants. Only Lisbon had more portuguese people than Rio de Janeiro.
31% of the city population was composed by sons and daughters of portuguese fathers or mothers. It means 51% of Rio de Janeiro population formed a giant portuguese colony that have influenced the city and the country culture and history.
Vasco da Gama has also a great role in football history in Brasil, because it was the first mass club to accept poor and black people (in the year Vasco would become a mass club) when football was a racist and elitist sport in Brazil. The club was kicked out from the Rio de Janeiro league (there were no national championship until the 1960s) because Vasco refused to exclude 12 of its players (the poor or black ones) that had won the Rio de Janeiro championship in 1923, the same year they debuted in the first division. It is the only brazilian club considered big to begin its history in the last division.
Brazil had an enourmous immigration process and have many colony clubs, mostly portuguese or italian. The biggest portuguese colony clubs are Vasco da Gama (Rio de Janeiro), Portuguesa (São Paulo) and Tuna Luso-brasileira (Maranhão). The biggest italian colony clubs are Palmeiras (Sâo Paulo), Cruzeiro (Minas Gerais) and Juventus (São Paulo). There are also some small german colony clubs in the south.
great background thanks Alexandre
@@dwkickoff You're welcome.
Wow , so much racism in just one video!! quote " If a player has a Muller surname & another with Turkish background & both are at same level, then the player with Turkish background will be selected!" WOW & DW is glorifying it. Brilliant. I hope Turkey allows a Kurdish football club with Kurdish only football players to develop in turkey!
You do realize that one of Turkeys most celebrated politicians ever was half Kurdish right?
Do you think racism can exist without a connection to power relations? How is a football team founded by immigrants preferring to sign players from that community a concrete form of racism when these immigrant groups are in the minority and in a disadvantaged position when looking at society more broadly? Plus, as mentioned, Türkgücü's squad is highly international anyway.
@@dwkickoff in another comment a guy said:
"I feel like you don't know what you're talking about. I won't get into any details but if you create a team with the flag of a country this is not multicultural. It's just Turkish. I hope you get that at least."
you replied by saying :
"Türkgücü's symbol is made up of both the Turkish and Bavarian flags. They make it clear they represent Munich as well as the Turkish community! And many of these clubs coming together is what makes a broader society multicultural. It's about the bigger picture, not just the individual clubs."
So my question is how the team represents both Munich and the immigrant Turkish community if they have a preference for Turkish people?
Don't be a hypocrite. The team is just Turkish, not multicultural.
Assyriska FF comes to mind
In the start of the video, i thought they would talk about Wolves and the portuguese 🇵🇹
would any Wolves fan really wish to go back to the way it was?
Imagine A player like Ozil going to Turguchu Munchen🤔
Verbreitet die Szene bei 3:50 Rassismus vom Feinsten ! 👍
Wtf ja
Alter was zum...
I’ve no problem with this club but for me that’s no integration. For me integration is to integrate foreigners in the local community and cultures and not creating their own stuff. Instead of playing alongside with Germans, Italians, Austrians in a club they create their own Turkish club... since when is this integration?
Every one Sees this Problem, except the Media, who is constantly telling us, how great Multikulti und diversity is.
The club was founded in 1975 by Turkish immigrants. Today there are not many Turkish players in the squad. There are Germans, Croats, Austrians, Serbs, Italians, South Koreans and other nationalities. However, the club has this specific origin, and this means a lot to its supporters
@@dwkickoff then look at the fan base. It’s still a Turkish club. So Turks support a Turkish club in Germany. Integration is mixing identities and cultures. But they want that all Turks come together to support this club. For me that’s no integration. Would it be so cool if every nationality has its own football club? No because that would led to racism and delimitation.
For example it’s the same situation like in Cyprus today. There are Turks and Greeks on that island. But instead of integration the Turks created their own “country”.
@@johanneskepler2141 Multikulti and diversity is great but just if all parties have the will to integrate into that country. If an Albanian wears a Lederhosen and drinks with us in Bavaria then it will be not important want nation this dude has. But if FOR EXAMPLE a Turk just want to speak Turkish, just buys at Turkish stores and supports Turkish clubs (located in Germany) then this will be no good example for integration. Integration means to integrate into sth and not living like at home.
@@fabiansaerveMultikulti und Diversität sind gut? Das sind so plakative Aussagen, für die wirklich garkeine Argumente sprechen. Multikulti und Diversität in zb, weil wir hier beim Fußball sind, einem Fußballteam ist also besser, wie wenn da nur deutsche spielen oder nur deutsche Kultur vorherrscht, also ohne bewusst andere auszugrenzen? Warum? Ist "Deutsch" schlecht. Wenn es doch egal ist, welche Herkunft man hat, sollte es doch auch egal sein, wenn in einem Team nur deutsche spielen, wie es zum Beispiel in Dorfvereinen oft üblich ist, denn Herkunft - > egal. Der Gedanke "da spielen nur deutsche, das Team braucht mehr Diversität, da müssen noch andere Nationalitäten rein, weil das gut ist" ist ja genau das Gegenteil von "mir ist egal welche Herkunft man hat". Ich komm vom Dorf, hier hat es überhaupt keine Ausländer und ich fühle mich pudelwohl hier, ich liebe meine Heimat, ich wollt nirgends anders hin. Auf der Arbeit komm ich jeden Tag mit Ausländern in Kontakt und arbeite mit welchem zusammen und fühle mich da genauso wohl. Mir ist es scheiß egal wo du herkommst oder wie du aussiehst, bist du cool zu mir, bin ich cool zu dir, ganz einfach. Und genau WEIL mir scheiß egal ist, wo jemand herkommt, würde ich niemals auf den Gedanken kommen "in meinem Dorf leben nur Deutsche, meinem Dorf würde mehr Multikulti und Diversität gut tun, mit mehr Multikulti und Diversität wäre mein Dorf besser" wie krank ist das denn, sowas zu denken?! Absoluter ideologischer Schwachsinn. Wenn ich sowas denke, dann stelle ich die Nationalität und Herkunft ja direkt in den Mittelpunkt, heißt, es ist auf einmal doch wichtig, wo jemand herkommt. Sowas bescheuertes. Da sind wir dann wieder beim Rassendenken, nur eben im vermeintlich gutem Sinne.
I watch many of your videos and this one will make me to comment on how educational your videos are and they are so helpful as you letting me know things I don't know about German football and it helps me alot as for this video am seeing the things about immigration issue in football as am an immigrant from Africa through Ukraine as a football player in Berlin and looking a way forward I know it's hard to push when you are alone but such motivational videos are really appreciated
Norf Norf by Vince Staples in the background
türkşyeden selamlar
5:32 wieso sollen den alle Deutsch-Türken auf einmal für Turkucu sein nur weil die so einen Namen und Logo haben so ein Nationalistischer unsinn ist doch nicht gut da gibt es doch viel bessere gründe um Fan zu werden von irgend einen Verein
Für Türken ist das eine Möglichkeit mehr, um sich bewusst von der deutschen Gesellschaft und dem Land abzugrenzen und zu zeigen, dass sie nicht dazu gehören wollen. Und das trifft nicht auf alle zu, aber viele sind nunmal aus diesem Grund Fan dieses Klubs
@@johanneskepler2141 Das würde ich nicht direct sagen es kamen ja selbst vor Corona fast keine Fans ins Stadion, Selbst Bayern II kann mehr zuschauer locken.
@@lps2013 gut, hab ich diesem Fall vielleicht ein bisschen dramatisch dargestellt, da hast du recht, dass auch vorher kaum Leute kamen, ist aber auch dem geschuldet, dass er kaum Reichweite hatte und kaum bekannt war, da er nicht im Profifußball vertreten war. Jetzt spielt der Verein gegen Klubs wie Dynamo Dresden und Kaiserslautern, da wird der Klub viel präsenter in den Medien sein. Und damit werden mehr Türken im Fußball zeigen, dass sie von Deutschland eigentlich garnichts halten und sie nicht Teil der deutschen Gesellschaft und Kultur sein möchten.
@@johanneskepler2141 I würde doch hoffen das die meisten Deutsch-Türken nicht auf einmal Türkücü fans werden wenn die jezt für S04 Bayern oder wer auch immer sind, ich denke die meisten wollen lieber Fan sein von einem echten Fussball Verein nicht von so ein Spielzeug.
Nice to get perspective from another country. In Sweden we've had clubs in our highest two divisions that have club names, boards and players Syrian, Kurdish and Greek influence. Likely more that i dont know about. Most recetly we had a "Kurdish" team Dalkurd in our top division which i wouldnt say was controversial, but it got people talking a bit about the fact that there were barely any kurdish influence left anymore as they climbed the divisions.
Very interesting video!
Toronto Croatia, Serbian White Eagles, Kosova Zurich, Etoile FC (french club in Singapore) etc.. There are many examples.
People's Republic of New Jersey you never lie my friend never been such true words spoken
why they can't create turkish club in turkish ? It looks really strange
Great doc series about soccer dw,a big fan here!
Make a video about the youth development in Germany. Bundesliga clubs and other lower league clubs. That’s most interesting topic about German football.
You're right Calcio. Thanks for the idea, we should do that.
Here is a film about that from 2016
ua-cam.com/video/3beI0f8G-3A/v-deo.html
DW Kick off! I watched a very good film you made about Ozil first club. Can’t remember their name. Rot Weiss I think. I love that content, so interesting. Germany has some of the best academy systems in the world. I find it fascinating
Make a video about Indian Football please..
How about that one: ua-cam.com/video/JLwkyt4uLk8/v-deo.html
@Nguyen Thuy true
@@dwkickoff how about indian football clubs and league
@@dwkickoff Yes i watched it
In the Philippine most of clubs are formed by immigrants lmao
Clubs come and go regularly in the Philippines sadly. Hopefully the new season can finally start without a hitch!
@@dwkickoff Thank your for ur reply maam/sir. Im hoping you can feature more about Philippine futbol hehe
Have you seen our video from before the last Asian Cup?
ua-cam.com/video/2_ANmOt-KWI/v-deo.html
@@dwkickoff I did hehe
Being a Mohun Bagan AC fan, I was expecting to see East Bengal FC from India on this segment.
Respect to out “Bangal” brothers ❤️✌🏽
When you have a - mostly - Polish team play against a - mostly - African team, that’s all good fun, the Poles bring their food and beer, the Africans bring… I don’t know, their music or whatever, I repeat, that’s all good fun. The problems with “immigrant” clubs start when you have a - mostly - X team play against a - mostly - Y team, with X and Y sort of representing countries that for whatever reason have… strong negative feelings against each other. Ask the Aussies, and what used to happen back in the day when certain teams played against each other, in the pre-A-League era…
Turkgucu harici takım tutan kendine taraftar demesin
Turkgucu aslan
Und das nennt man dicriminierung, na super 3:50
Jeder linke, Journalist oder Politiker ist blind dafür, weil es ja Diskriminierung von Ausländern gegen Deutsche ist und das entspricht nicht dem Narrativ des bösen deutschen Nazi der arme unschuldige Ausländer unterdrückt. Würde ein deutscher Club Namens Germania München das selbe machen und sagen wie dieser türkenklub, kannst du dir sicher sein, dass du die nächsten Wochen bei Markus lanz und maybritt illner nur noch hörst, dass eben dieser Nazi Club die Demokratie gefährdet und dass rechtsextremismus immer mehr in der Mitte der Gesellschaft ankommt und im Fußball unsw.
Ok. Dave's hand movements are special
We did say he's from New Jersey
If something like this would have happened in America. Trump would have deported all of them.
There's literal football clubs in the U.S. based off immigrants. That's one of the main reason the sport never kicked off so much. Americans could not relate to the clubs, the sport, the people or the languages being spoken so it as an immigrant sport to them and therefore not American. New York Greek-Americans, the Brooklyn Italians, these 2 clubs still exist and still play today. And there's a lot of clubs around the country like that.
How can someone be so patriotic about a shitty country like this. I mean I am an American too but I would leave if Trump gets a second term.
There are soccer clubs all across jersey based off cultural associations and not one has been disbanded so thing twice before you talk shit.
who will start a Turkgucu Munchen career mode in FIFA 21 and establish a squard based on Turkish player?
Türkgücü München🔴⚪🏆🇹🇷🇩🇪🧿