Anakin won the sparring match,he literally had Obiwan on his knees and disarmed. That's a win Obiwan attacked him after Anakin had stopped. It was a lesson but if technically Anakin won the match. Its losing a boxing match and then punching someone in the head after the bell rings Obiwan even said he lost the previous match as well In EP3 Anakin/Vader was torn between light and dark,thats why no yellow eyes. Even Hayden said he lost his focus which his power and the reason he beat Dooku. In Kenobi its directly stated Vader was weakened due to his emotions. And he still only truly lost cause Obiwan damaged his breathing panel. Had Vader been at 100% he would have definitely killed Obiwan In ANH the canon novel From A Point Of View confirms that Obiwan stood no chance in actuality. Vader was no longer weakend by emotions,thats why he was now the master.
Anakin didn’t win that sparring match lol, he simply disarmed Kenobi who was still able to overcome it and beat him without his lightsaber. Your comparison doesn’t make any sense. They were evenly matched on mustafar, it’s stated in the official SW databank as well as many other numerous sources, and the dark side only made Anakin stronger (also stated in many sources). In ks Vader didn’t lose because his panel got damaged, what are you even talking about😂 Kenobi did completely overwhelm Vader after the amp, and made him helpless. That damaged panel is just a consequence of the duel, not the reason why he lost. FACPOV isn’t canon, he contradicts the movie. In the movie we can see them fighting equally (with Kenobi casually being the offensive fighter, when the book says the opposite lmao) until Kenobi sacrifices himself. The duel could have lasted longer, and even that was high diff for Vader (prime kenobi, ANH, is relative to ANH Vader). A book cannot be canon if it contradicts what we see in the movie.
That was a very hottake. But I agree. Though I'd say that for AOTC it could personally go either way. And Ik imma get hate for this but in AOTC dueling to Anakin. Very unpopular opinion.
Ngl I feel like dooku wasn’t rly holding back against anakin when they dueled. At first maybe, but not without obi wan. Cuz if you noticed he used 2 hands on his lightsaber he usually duels 1 handed. Anakin won fair and square
@@DarthDarthBeans sorry for asking this but what’s Zonakin? And imma have to disagree on the ih part. He did grow more powerful and dooku was struggling in that battle
@@JL-uc8rs Zonakin is when he is rage amped and starts to stomp Dooku. Base IH is before he enraged and was giving his best, but still couldn’t outduel him despite that and having also Form advantage
“From a certain point of view” states that Kenobi could barely block Vader’s blows while he wasn’t at full power, while Vader’s defenses are basically described as unbreakable
@Meromorphicfunction in that novel is never stated Kenobi as out of prime and in SFAW it’s also stated that Vader has grown in power from when he was Anakin, so the author doesn’t have Luke=vader. That Luke statement is an outlier since the majority of the sources states Luke as an equal or >=to Vader
@Meromorphicfunction that doesn’t mean he is out prime. It just says that Obi-wan was being destroyed by vader which is implied as solidly superior, and that Ben’s stamina could not keep up against Vader’s striking strength. Obv being old makes you having less stamina even if you may have an higher augmentation
obi wan is actually physically stronger faster and more agile becuase he works way harder than anikan, kenobi has an average midiclorian count and anakin has the highest midiclorian count in sw, so he prolly get speed agility endurance and stamina, not strength tho because anikan has a metal arm
Cool editing, I agree with everything 100%, Obi-Wan fans greatly overestimate their character,Kenobi could not defeat Vader a second time, all this is Disney nonsense, in their opinion, good should always and everywhere win, but this is far from the case, Vader is stronger than Obi-Wan - this has long been confirmed fact.🔥☠️💀
Just changed my take for the Mustafar round which MFV wins extreme diff, but you can argue for Kenobi due to specific advantages he has against Anakin. Everything else is still correct tho I’d say, which takes so you disagree with?
@@DarthDarthBeans at least high diff. Because anakin did disarm him in the duel and performed longer against dooku than he did. However anakin was also very arrogant. Obi wan beats anakin high diff if anakin is arrogant. Anakin beats obi wan extreme diff if he’s not.
@@JL-uc8rs being arrogant in his character, especially in AotC Anakin. there’s no such as “non arrogant Aotc Anakin” because it would be like saying “Sidious without being smart”. Obi-wan as in Aotc is also still superior to Anakin in dueling/pure skill, and way superior in Battle iq, experience and mastery. Anakin takes in some physical attributes(not even all of them) and raw power but still loses
I find obi wan stronger than anakin because he overmastered him twice during fight on mustafar and kenobi series and in Kenobi series obi wan has more durability because he was burned and he was overwhelmed by rocks that he hold with the force because he overthrows him with him so i find obi wan stronger because he defeated him twice.
Vader has way more consistent and better dura feats than kenobi, who beat Vader only thanks to a massive amp in kenobi series and he defeated Vader on Mustafar only because he was heavily conflicted (stated in rots novel, family at war etc…). But obv you can have ur opinion
I get your point but iq and battle iq belong to Obi wan and durability in Kenobi series but how does vader have then there durability and stamina belong also to Obi wan because he knows soresu very well and Anakin rots is already making fast strikes and Obi wan knows very well how to defend is not already exhausted.
@@Platinumprogamer Stamina might go to kenobi, but Vader has still the suit and better augmentation than Kenobi tbh. Also durability definitely goes to Vader:he has insane feats for that category in the comics. And in kenobi series as well: he literally tanked rocks thrown like they were bullets from a machine gun and then continued the fight
@@JL-uc8rs Dooku mid diffed Obi-wan even thanks to his form advantage over him. For the Post IH round as I said i just wanted to be generous towards kenobi, the diff should be lower in terms of pure scaling, but Mid diff would still be more accurate because in actual fight Obi wan would still have advantages/hax against Anakin specially via him knowing his fighting style/techniques perfectly
@@JL-uc8rs Anakin is stated above Obi-Wan in dueling in rots novel. This video was made originally 7 months ago on TT and I published it here 3 months ago, so I might have chaged my mind completely about some points
Facts … but I would say In ATOC :!Anakin wins extreme diff, or that could go either way and Anakin was already above of obi wan in dueling Tcw: Anakin wins high diff POST IH : Anakin wins mid-high diff In mustafar : Anakin wins Low diff … he overpowered obi-wan during the whole duel In Kenobi show : Vader wins mid diff And after amp Kenobi, Vader still wins high diff , he lose because he was extremely conflicted In ANH : Vader wins Low diff Just facts Cope
in Comics Anakin Aotc was stated above Obiwan Aotc and had already more abilities than his master. Novel Rots,Sidious said Anakin Post IH was equal or above him in abilities
@@dougdoug2773 that’s pre 66 sidious who actually is below post IH Anakin with high/high-Extreme diff. Also Aotc Anakin is stated above Aotc kenobi in legends comic, but in canon no. He’s above in force power/abilities but he’s still below as a duelist and as a combatant overall, also the experience and Battle Iq gap is too high for him at the moment. Sure in TCW he definitely surpasses Kenobi
That’s pretty inaccurate tbh. You just brought random versions to make obi wan lose, and you did assign some points that must be assigned to obi wan. AOTC: obi wan mid-high diff TCW: obi wan extreme diff ROTS pre IH: could go either way ROTS IH: Anakin mid-high diff Mustafar: could go either way, I’d say Kenobi extreme diff due to circumstances Ks pre amp: Vader mid diff (basically suited Vader vs MFK) Ks post amp: Kenobi mid diff Rebels: Vader high diff ANH: Vader high diff Vader overall wins, but it’s not a beat down one like you showed. Also Anakin isn’t getting force abilities from AOTC to ROTS, he didn’t show anything to back this up. Even force power is debatable, at least from AOTC to TCW. Force power=/=force potential, especially considering that Jedi Anakin didn’t train too much on force since he’d rather improve as a duelist.
@@general_oliver nah, i don’t. There are ppl who have him above every mortal in canon which is braindead in my opinion. Which takes do you disagree with btw?
Almost everything, Obi-Wan at least in canon is still above rots post ih anakin, is deabetable on mustafar but you gave a lot of Obi-Wan points to anakin and made him win low diff when it's clear on the movie that was the fight of his life, in kenobi onestly i can't even consider canon that dogshit, for anh maybe the book "from a certain point of view" say that obi didn't stance a chance against vader, but gl (before disney) stated that ben on the death star was a 6 and vader a 4, so there isn't much to debeate
obi-wan fans keep crying, all that matters is the end, and in the end vader low diffed kenobi, kenobi had no hope of winning in their last fight, he himself said that, anakin-vader was always more powerful, but he finally won when he had the least conflict in him !
Force augmentation boosts physical capabilities in relation to the power in the force, where Vader far eclipses Obi-Wan… so yes, Vader is definitely faster than kenobi, as kenobi himself states during their fight in ANH
@@DarthDarthBeans kenobi didnt have to be better than anakin to defeat him, but he absolutely had to be close enough to not just get ragdolled, there’d be no chance to take advantage of anakins mental state if he could just beat him easily
@@DarthDarthBeans KFV is also only above palpatine according to himself, palpatine says “soon vader will be more powerful than either of us”, yoda, who has no knowledge of anakin being conflicted expressly forbids obi wan from going to fight the emperor because hes far too strong, and we see palpatine keep up with a heavily amped windu, and yoda
@@brandonm5130 yet Anakin was mentally insane and conflicted… and conflict is able to bring down your power insanely, just think about Vader in RotJ, just weeks previously he matched Sidious while then he was on pair with Luke (who Sidious far outshines in RotJ as the movie itself makes abundantly clear)
@@brandonm5130 1)Even if we had to agree on KFVYoda) this wouldn’t disprove KFV>Kenobi; 2)Yoda has no idea of the difference in power in between peak KFV and Peak Jedi Anakin (who is still stated>pre 66 Yoda by Yoda himself when Anakin talks with him about his fear to lose his loved ones); 3)Yoda actually could understand that Anakin’s thoughts were conflicted, even as a Jedi, so if you think he could even sense his power from across the galaxy, why wouldn’t he sense his conflict as well, since he dispari started to grow before Kenobi and Padme’s arrival? In conclusion, even we had to take what you said as true, would still end up with: Peak RotS Sidious>=Peak KFV>=Senate Yoda>Prime Jedi Anakin>Pre 66 Yoda. Yoda states RotS Kenobi’s full power is inferior to his own (so Senate Yoda), this means MFK can be even >Peak Jedi Anakin if one wants but regardless inferior to Senate Yoda, therefore inferior to KFV
@@DarthDarthBeans Obi wan is way more patient in a fight while Anakin's weakness was his overconfidend witch made him lose to Obi wan and Anakin may have better raw power but it dosen't matter when Anakin dosen't know how to use his raw power while Obi wan knows how to control his power and that makes him more powerful.
@@bathanh150 Vader has a count of 47 abilities, while kenobi 23 (including force ghost). Vader would ultimately unlock the force ghost ability when he redeemed himself
@@bathanh150 doesn’t matter, he ultimately unlock that ability. And even If i had to exclude it, as I said Vader has 47 abilities against the 23 that kenobi has
Bruh wtf is this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 obi wan literally defeated Anakin in every fight they had, and the Death Star one obi wan was going to defeat Vader easily, but obi wan didn’t want to be alive anymore and he wanted to become a force ghost so he could help Luke through his journey as a Jedi
Yes, bc of his insane battle iq, wich was pretty much everything that mattared in that fights. When they are somewhere were all these stars mattrr equally Kenobi stands no chance
@@DarthDarthBeans Here's the duel in Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan 1 vs 1 defeated KFV. KFV is stronger on Low diff. this is nonsense, and I can safely prove it.
@@Мемов-ц7о he defeats a conflicted and nerfed MFV, as stated in family at war and rots novel. In a non conflicted state, MFV would have creamed kenobi.
Anakin won the sparring match,he literally had Obiwan on his knees and disarmed.
That's a win
Obiwan attacked him after Anakin had stopped.
It was a lesson but if technically Anakin won the match.
Its losing a boxing match and then punching someone in the head after the bell rings
Obiwan even said he lost the previous match as well
In EP3 Anakin/Vader was torn between light and dark,thats why no yellow eyes.
Even Hayden said he lost his focus which his power and the reason he beat Dooku.
In Kenobi its directly stated Vader was weakened due to his emotions.
And he still only truly lost cause Obiwan damaged his breathing panel.
Had Vader been at 100% he would have definitely killed Obiwan
In ANH the canon novel From A Point Of View confirms that Obiwan stood no chance in actuality.
Vader was no longer weakend by emotions,thats why he was now the master.
Anakin didn’t win that sparring match lol, he simply disarmed Kenobi who was still able to overcome it and beat him without his lightsaber. Your comparison doesn’t make any sense.
They were evenly matched on mustafar, it’s stated in the official SW databank as well as many other numerous sources, and the dark side only made Anakin stronger (also stated in many sources). In ks Vader didn’t lose because his panel got damaged, what are you even talking about😂
Kenobi did completely overwhelm Vader after the amp, and made him helpless. That damaged panel is just a consequence of the duel, not the reason why he lost.
FACPOV isn’t canon, he contradicts the movie. In the movie we can see them fighting equally (with Kenobi casually being the offensive fighter, when the book says the opposite lmao) until Kenobi sacrifices himself. The duel could have lasted longer, and even that was high diff for Vader (prime kenobi, ANH, is relative to ANH Vader). A book cannot be canon if it contradicts what we see in the movie.
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@@ATrivedi-sp9hs he meant that my edit is good in his opinion
@@DarthDarthBeans no whats w every body is using nowadays
@@ATrivedi-sp9hs W=Win
In Legends, yes, but in canon a lot of overestimating anakin
In legends Vader is way weaker than in canon, so it’s more like the other way around
Absolute fax good job
@@thelastkraken you mean me?
@@DarthDarthBeans anakin i mean
@@roberto-nq5sn in canon I have Vader>>Anakin, in legends, the other way around
That was a very hottake. But I agree. Though I'd say that for AOTC it could personally go either way. And Ik imma get hate for this but in AOTC dueling to Anakin. Very unpopular opinion.
Ngl I feel like dooku wasn’t rly holding back against anakin when they dueled. At first maybe, but not without obi wan. Cuz if you noticed he used 2 hands on his lightsaber he usually duels 1 handed. Anakin won fair and square
Yep
@@DarthDarthBeans at that point anakin beats dooku high- extreme diff
@@JL-uc8rs
Post IH Anakin>~Zonakin>>Dooku>~Base IH Anakin
@@DarthDarthBeans sorry for asking this but what’s Zonakin? And imma have to disagree on the ih part. He did grow more powerful and dooku was struggling in that battle
@@JL-uc8rs Zonakin is when he is rage amped and starts to stomp Dooku. Base IH is before he enraged and was giving his best, but still couldn’t outduel him despite that and having also Form advantage
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Common W goat but I'd say dueling easily Post IH Anakin
Obi win in every fight
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finally someone understands that kfv wouldve won if it wasnt for arrogance and conflict
Did you watch ROTS?
Lemme guess:”Obi-wan already won broh!!11!” Right?
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In the last fight
Defense goes to kenobi
“From a certain point of view” states that Kenobi could barely block Vader’s blows while he wasn’t at full power, while Vader’s defenses are basically described as unbreakable
@Meromorphicfunction in that novel is never stated Kenobi as out of prime and in SFAW it’s also stated that Vader has grown in power from when he was Anakin, so the author doesn’t have Luke=vader. That Luke statement is an outlier since the majority of the sources states Luke as an equal or >=to Vader
@Meromorphicfunction that doesn’t mean he is out prime. It just says that Obi-wan was being destroyed by vader which is implied as solidly superior, and that Ben’s stamina could not keep up against Vader’s striking strength. Obv being old makes you having less stamina even if you may have an higher augmentation
Ben kenobi underrated
By the overall community yh i agree. Tho he doesn’t beat Vader
That's debatable.
@@JL-uc8rs not rlly but I respect ur take 🤝
Do you know some people who scale him over dooku@@DarthDarthBeans
@@JL-uc8rs yh
KFV Low diff is crazy🤣it's high-extreme.
Nope.
obi wan is actually physically stronger faster and more agile becuase he works way harder than anikan, kenobi has an average midiclorian count and anakin has the highest midiclorian count in sw, so he prolly get speed agility endurance and stamina, not strength tho because anikan has a metal arm
Force augmentation exists bro
@@DarthDarthBeans the high ground exists bro
@@F1HIS You are really using the high-ground as a proof? Lol
@@DarthDarthBeans it’s a joke
@@F1HIS ah lol. I didn’t got it, mb
Cool editing, I agree with everything 100%, Obi-Wan fans greatly overestimate their character,Kenobi could not defeat Vader a second time, all this is Disney nonsense, in their opinion, good should always and everywhere win, but this is far from the case, Vader is stronger than Obi-Wan - this has long been confirmed fact.🔥☠️💀
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But Obiwan wins in Mustafa ironic.
Mustafa?
Mufasa
Average anakin/vader fan
Just changed my take for the Mustafar round which MFV wins extreme diff, but you can argue for Kenobi due to specific advantages he has against Anakin. Everything else is still correct tho I’d say, which takes so you disagree with?
Mustafar pre confliction should no-lof diff obi wan. Because obi wan on Mustafa is only post ih anakin level
@@nikakharitonashvili1255 he isn’t at that level+he has specific hax/advatages against Anakin/PSV specifically that gave him the upper hand
You mean Post Ih anakin?
@@DarthDarthBeansif he’s not conflicted he beats tf outta obi wan
Lowkey I think aotc is extreme diff and it can go either way
No
@@DarthDarthBeans at least high diff. Because anakin did disarm him in the duel and performed longer against dooku than he did. However anakin was also very arrogant. Obi wan beats anakin high diff if anakin is arrogant. Anakin beats obi wan extreme diff if he’s not.
@@JL-uc8rs being arrogant in his character, especially in AotC Anakin. there’s no such as “non arrogant Aotc Anakin” because it would be like saying “Sidious without being smart”. Obi-wan as in Aotc is also still superior to Anakin in dueling/pure skill, and way superior in Battle iq, experience and mastery. Anakin takes in some physical attributes(not even all of them) and raw power but still loses
@@DarthDarthBeans dueling is debatable.
@@JL-uc8rs It’s not, Obi-one is stated to be better than Anakin in Aotc
I find obi wan stronger than anakin because he overmastered him twice during fight on mustafar and kenobi series and in Kenobi series obi wan has more durability because he was burned and he was overwhelmed by rocks that he hold with the force because he overthrows him with him so i find obi wan stronger because he defeated him twice.
Vader has way more consistent and better dura feats than kenobi, who beat Vader only thanks to a massive amp in kenobi series and he defeated Vader on Mustafar only because he was heavily conflicted (stated in rots novel, family at war etc…). But obv you can have ur opinion
I get your point but iq and battle iq belong to Obi wan and durability in Kenobi series but how does vader have then there durability and stamina belong also to Obi wan because he knows soresu very well and Anakin rots is already making fast strikes and Obi wan knows very well how to defend is not already exhausted.
@@Platinumprogamer Stamina might go to kenobi, but Vader has still the suit and better augmentation than Kenobi tbh. Also durability definitely goes to Vader:he has insane feats for that category in the comics. And in kenobi series as well: he literally tanked rocks thrown like they were bullets from a machine gun and then continued the fight
Also if you say that Dooku mid diffed Obi Wan and Anakin is above him, then how come he doesn't get dueling then?
Which version of Dooku/anakin/Obi-wan are you referring to?
@@DarthDarthBeans Ih
@@JL-uc8rs Dooku mid diffed Obi-wan even thanks to his form advantage over him. For the Post IH round as I said i just wanted to be generous towards kenobi, the diff should be lower in terms of pure scaling, but Mid diff would still be more accurate because in actual fight Obi wan would still have advantages/hax against Anakin specially via him knowing his fighting style/techniques perfectly
Maybe. Yes Obi Wan knows Anakins moves, but he is the better duelist.@@DarthDarthBeans
@@JL-uc8rs Anakin is stated above Obi-Wan in dueling in rots novel. This video was made originally 7 months ago on TT and I published it here 3 months ago, so I might have chaged my mind completely about some points
Facts … but I would say
In ATOC :!Anakin wins extreme diff, or that could go either way and Anakin was already above of obi wan in dueling
Tcw: Anakin wins high diff
POST IH : Anakin wins mid-high diff
In mustafar : Anakin wins Low diff … he overpowered obi-wan during the whole duel
In Kenobi show : Vader wins mid diff
And after amp Kenobi, Vader still wins high diff , he lose because he was extremely conflicted
In ANH : Vader wins Low diff
Just facts
Cope
1)Meh;
2)Fine;
3)Low diff;
4)Nope;
5)Nope;
Anakin/Vader wins in all his versions.
Fair
I think force abilities to obi wan
Nah Anakin/Vader showed more abilities in comics
in Comics Anakin Aotc was stated above Obiwan Aotc and had already more abilities than his master. Novel Rots,Sidious said Anakin Post IH was equal or above him in abilities
@@dougdoug2773 that’s pre 66 sidious who actually is below post IH Anakin with high/high-Extreme diff. Also Aotc Anakin is stated above Aotc kenobi in legends comic, but in canon no. He’s above in force power/abilities but he’s still below as a duelist and as a combatant overall, also the experience and Battle Iq gap is too high for him at the moment. Sure in TCW he definitely surpasses Kenobi
KFV is no where near Pre 66 Palps more or less Post 66 or Yoda
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@@DarthDarthBeans KFV is>=MFK who and MFK is
That’s pretty inaccurate tbh. You just brought random versions to make obi wan lose, and you did assign some points that must be assigned to obi wan.
AOTC: obi wan mid-high diff
TCW: obi wan extreme diff
ROTS pre IH: could go either way
ROTS IH: Anakin mid-high diff
Mustafar: could go either way, I’d say Kenobi extreme diff due to circumstances
Ks pre amp: Vader mid diff (basically suited Vader vs MFK)
Ks post amp: Kenobi mid diff
Rebels: Vader high diff
ANH: Vader high diff
Vader overall wins, but it’s not a beat down one like you showed.
Also Anakin isn’t getting force abilities from AOTC to ROTS, he didn’t show anything to back this up. Even force power is debatable, at least from AOTC to TCW. Force power=/=force potential, especially considering that Jedi Anakin didn’t train too much on force since he’d rather improve as a duelist.
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@@DarthDarthBeans hey, nope🥹
@@SWScalingEdits Average obi wan fangay 🤦🏾♂️ …
@@atsuya.s3441 average person that doesn’t know anything about sw lmao 🤣tell me when I was wrong. I brought you facts
@@SWScalingEdits It’s you who doesn’t know anything about Star Wars 🤣🤣🤣 … you’re wrong in every points
Obi wan literaly beat vader in Kenobi show
Post Pit Kenobi>OWK Vader>Pre Pit Kenobi=RotS Kenobi
in fact, Vader/Anakin never won over Kenobi, (new hope does not count, he let vader win)
Didnt, kenobi said himself he was getting overpowered even mid duel after Vader stopped holding back
@@DarthDarthBeans You're right Obi wan stated he couldn't keep fighting and that Vader was more powerful.
Kenobi lost in kenobi
@@cocoxd1459 before getting amped yeah
Yeah he stil won
Nab bro the biggest vader fanboy
Yup. And?
And you told a lot of bullshit
Yeah but you have done Obi-Wan so dirty💀
You overrate vader like no one else
@@general_oliver nah, i don’t. There are ppl who have him above every mortal in canon which is braindead in my opinion. Which takes do you disagree with btw?
Almost everything, Obi-Wan at least in canon is still above rots post ih anakin, is deabetable on mustafar but you gave a lot of Obi-Wan points to anakin and made him win low diff when it's clear on the movie that was the fight of his life, in kenobi onestly i can't even consider canon that dogshit, for anh maybe the book "from a certain point of view" say that obi didn't stance a chance against vader, but gl (before disney) stated that ben on the death star was a 6 and vader a 4, so there isn't much to debeate
obi-wan fans keep crying, all that matters is the end, and in the end vader low diffed kenobi, kenobi had no hope of winning in their last fight, he himself said that, anakin-vader was always more powerful, but he finally won when he had the least conflict in him !
Vader doesn’t have any speed he’s so slow Obi wan takes all types of soeed
Force augmentation boosts physical capabilities in relation to the power in the force, where Vader far eclipses Obi-Wan… so yes, Vader is definitely faster than kenobi, as kenobi himself states during their fight in ANH
Obiwan wins mustafar and the kenobi series
1)No;
2)No, unless u mean amped Kenobi
I do
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You have to completely ignore canon to act like anakin or vader could ever in any way “low” difficulty defeat obi wan
You have to completely fail to understand the context of the fights to say that Kenobi is better than Anakin
@@DarthDarthBeans kenobi didnt have to be better than anakin to defeat him, but he absolutely had to be close enough to not just get ragdolled, there’d be no chance to take advantage of anakins mental state if he could just beat him easily
@@DarthDarthBeans KFV is also only above palpatine according to himself, palpatine says “soon vader will be more powerful than either of us”, yoda, who has no knowledge of anakin being conflicted expressly forbids obi wan from going to fight the emperor because hes far too strong, and we see palpatine keep up with a heavily amped windu, and yoda
@@brandonm5130 yet Anakin was mentally insane and conflicted… and conflict is able to bring down your power insanely, just think about Vader in RotJ, just weeks previously he matched Sidious while then he was on pair with Luke (who Sidious far outshines in RotJ as the movie itself makes abundantly clear)
@@brandonm5130
1)Even if we had to agree on KFVYoda) this wouldn’t disprove KFV>Kenobi;
2)Yoda has no idea of the difference in power in between peak KFV and Peak Jedi Anakin (who is still stated>pre 66 Yoda by Yoda himself when Anakin talks with him about his fear to lose his loved ones);
3)Yoda actually could understand that Anakin’s thoughts were conflicted, even as a Jedi, so if you think he could even sense his power from across the galaxy, why wouldn’t he sense his conflict as well, since he dispari started to grow before Kenobi and Padme’s arrival?
In conclusion, even we had to take what you said as true, would still end up with:
Peak RotS Sidious>=Peak KFV>=Senate Yoda>Prime Jedi Anakin>Pre 66 Yoda. Yoda states RotS Kenobi’s full power is inferior to his own (so Senate Yoda), this means MFK can be even >Peak Jedi Anakin if one wants but regardless inferior to Senate Yoda, therefore inferior to KFV
Obi wan wins is every movie except Anh
Doesn’t mean he is stronger
@@DarthDarthBeans Obi wan is stronger
@@ObikenobiAM why…?
@@DarthDarthBeans Obi wan is way more patient in a fight while Anakin's weakness was his overconfidend witch made him lose to Obi wan and Anakin may have better raw power but it dosen't matter when Anakin dosen't know how to use his raw power while Obi wan knows how to control his power and that makes him more powerful.
@@ObikenobiAM 0 statements put Kenobi above Anakin, urs r just personal opinions and not official informations
Cry kid high ground obi-wan solos your fav verse
Ok “obiwansolostheverse”
Low ground kenobi is even stronger
@@DarthDarthBeans cry
This is just cope at its finest
Ok person with a Kenobi pfp
Kenobi + high ground negs star wars
Force abilities obi wan
No
@@DarthDarthBeans yes force ghost is a strong force abilities vader only telekinesis and what
@@bathanh150 Vader has a count of 47 abilities, while kenobi 23 (including force ghost). Vader would ultimately unlock the force ghost ability when he redeemed himself
@@DarthDarthBeans anakin and vader not the same person
@@bathanh150 doesn’t matter, he ultimately unlock that ability. And even If i had to exclude it, as I said Vader has 47 abilities against the 23 that kenobi has
Iq Obi wan
He gets intelligence, not IQ
Bruh wtf is this 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂 obi wan literally defeated Anakin in every fight they had, and the Death Star one obi wan was going to defeat Vader easily, but obi wan didn’t want to be alive anymore and he wanted to become a force ghost so he could help Luke through his journey as a Jedi
Yes, bc of his insane battle iq, wich was pretty much everything that mattared in that fights. When they are somewhere were all these stars mattrr equally Kenobi stands no chance
Thanks for responding to this at my place
Obi Wan negs cuz C*non VAdOR is sub rOck level so Kenobi beyod neg diff 👀🥶🥶🥶
K*non VaD0r F0d0r
Cap
Which ones are cap and why?
@@DarthDarthBeans Here's the duel in Revenge of the Sith. Obi-Wan 1 vs 1 defeated KFV. KFV is stronger on Low diff. this is nonsense, and I can safely prove it.
@@Мемов-ц7о he defeats a conflicted and nerfed MFV, as stated in family at war and rots novel. In a non conflicted state, MFV would have creamed kenobi.
@@DarthDarthBeans Anakin has a default internal struggle in a fight with Obi-Wan
@@Мемов-ц7о And this is precisely the reason of his defeat on Mustafar
Oooo stolennnn
No?
Soz
Nu uh
I saw original
@@davidhaswell2066 it’s not stolen, lmao. Send “the original”