Come on Eric, build that Mopar small block dyno mule. Nobody else is doing it. Your channel will blow up! I prefer the way you lay information out in your videos.
Thanks Eric, for throwing us Mopar guys a bone here and there! I still watch all your Chevy stuff, so it's only fair 😅! You always put out great info, whatever the brand!
I think you’re spot on Eric. Maxing out the pinch and dropping that airspeed is always good. All the good modern heads have really eliminated the pinch as a pressure differential and energy stealer…
@@jmflournoy386 Thanks JM. I can't help but think the velocity may be better also. Sorry I misunderstood. I only do 2.080 on 416's, 4.070 bores or bigger. Yes, you are correct on valves shrouded. Have a good evening. 👍
OH THE RESULTS for you further porting those TFS I would love to hear the results.they say BM 225 cc intake ports with moved over pushrods. They selll the Rocker arms for them too.My opinion is I bought TFS . Thank you ever so much for showing the differences of heads. I bet a very large SBM will be a screamer with those heads, I wish I lived close by or I would get you to dyno test what i am trying to build a 416 .with 12.2:1 compression. I been saving for transmission parts and a rear before i complete
@@gordocarbo 69 Dart will use a Racer Brown special Grind almost same as Used with Eric W. had on the 406.416 SBM. with 12.2:1 Eagle kit TFS 190. 750 AED Wiating to get a look at TFS Intake I have ordered , i do have a SV ed also but they need thorough porting each of their HP stuff does. then Mancini- H.S.RR. Morel RR. will be Milodon Oiling with studs where i can, also ARP 2000 rod bolts.saving for tranz, and rear. need to sell all my stuff from current 408 set up.I am trying not to Tub Car and currently deciding on offsetted shackles and weather the 4.10 and 28 x9s on 15x8 pro stars.Yukon Carrier would hold up with the extra torgue. Will go with 727 and 4500 stall max
I hardly ever do sb mopes either. But this was an interesting video and comparison. I have worked on the trickflow bb mopar 270's. Nice quality hardware. But I was not diggin the design. Those hughes heads seem like the clear choice for anything other than a 318 or a tow rig. The low flow is an easy fix with some carbide time. I am impressed with hughes in this particular case. I do wish Eddelbrock would change their seat ring sizing and bathtub chambers in many of their heads.
Looking forward to your flow numbers after your port work. Most power I’ve seen reported from the stock cnc work seems to be about 535 hp. It be good if us Mopar guys could buy these castings without the pushrod holes, so that we could just use W2 offset rockers.
Eric, if you and/or the customer can justify it, it’ll be great to get cc’s and CSA. The two sets of these heads that I know have been ported, they removed the vein completely. Thanks
Nice video Eric. I am not a Mopar guy, though I have clients that are. I can report the the Trickflow 190 heads are top quality and work really good on a 360/365 .030 in a nice street application. I too am a ProMaxx dealer, and recently sold a set of the cnc small block mopar heads for a fairly hot 365 . I hate to say it but the cnc work was less than stellar. On the sides of the SSR it was really wonky, the tooling steps were atrocious. And as is typical for Mopar the pinch was way to small to hit the desired power. So I installed brass tubes and got closer to the needed CSA then getting the T Ram to land on the port and have taper from the plenum to head took a rediculous amount of time. 🤦♂️
Hear hear!!! #s arent everything. So many debate heads with good low and mid numbers vs others that are piss poor but peak better. Sucks Mopar guys have chitty choices I dont know why such an awesome engine 440 got dealt a bad hand. Id take a nice 440 for a st engine any day over the Hemi.
was told by a long time AFR person they didnt think there was enough market to make Mopar heads Think that is wrong . Tons that would buy a good flowing one. Too bad their prices are going frigging insane, no longer affrodable imo .
That exhaust port on that sbm just looks funky and old looking to me because it's got the angle going up but yet the shape coming out has no rooms because of the bolts it looks like and why do they keep lowering and flattening the floor. What's you thought on the exhaust port. And also what do you think about sbm vs Chevy heads in general on intake port and whatever else
Agree, The stupid position of those exhaust flange bolts makes it difficult for clearance to header pipes. If only they used a different pattern or spread them apart 1/4 inch further.
Trickflow is a good street head. There s a story though of a guy using a hand ported set of Engine quest iron magnums castings. And when he switched to th teick flow cnc he want slower.
I had a customer with a 396 inch LA that was definitely a bullet. Mid 11s iirc. 74 Cuda street car. This was the early 90s so it likely had 340 castings ported to the DC templates.
@smilsmff I was one of the first to buy their kit. My project has stalled for quite some time now, but I am hoping to get it back on track soon. There has been alot of new technology and offerings since my project stalled. The Gen 3 Hemi is looking better each day...
Why they don't use a offset rocker arm for the pinch is beyond me. Would it be worth welding up the pinch and porting it with a offset rocker? Keep the vids rolling learned much here!
They "do" use an offset rocker for the Hughes head. They move the pushrods over for a bigger intake port. Some small block Mopar heads use big block rockers.
@@timothybayliss6680 I only have one set of bushed w2 rockers with Ford cup adjusters and bronze bushings That's the way we did them back in the day Now you can buy roller tip which were not available back then. Longer valves and higher lift than stock cams REQUIRE that the rocker shafts be relocated, there are kits available.
I am waiting for UTG to come in here and tell you why all this is garbage and you need some '302' castings because old junk iron that needs 40 hours of grinding is better than a brand new aluminum casting.
Haha! Finished off by the drill and lap hackfest. Cant really get behind some of the "tips" given there . If I had to pay ANYone to port my old mopar heads it would be Steve Dulcich. He is a smart mofo just doesnt thump his chest about it.
So many of these readily available heads for MOPAR are little more than stock replacement street deals, not capable of making real power, or turning big rpm. They're low budget, low performance bolt on parts. For example.....an old school cast iron W2 will walk all over these 2 examples of "modern day" offerings. Wanna' make steam with an inline valve small block MOPAR??? Find a set of W8s and properly prep them. 1050+HP potential with a cast single and a wet sump.
Yeah! More Mopar!
Come on Eric, build that Mopar small block dyno mule. Nobody else is doing it. Your channel will blow up! I prefer the way you lay information out in your videos.
I completely agree. I believe we would all love to see a sb mopar walk over them chev guys
Thanks Eric, for throwing us Mopar guys a bone here and there!
I still watch all your Chevy stuff, so it's only fair 😅!
You always put out great info, whatever the brand!
Always wondered how truthful HE s numbers were
Seems like the numbers are off by the difference in Benches.
Terry Brighton dynos these pretty regularly...the Trickflows been doing really well.
Trick flow has sure come a long ways!
Back from the days of their twisted wege 5. 0 and sbc heads. GOod for them
I think you’re spot on Eric. Maxing out the pinch and dropping that airspeed is always good. All the good modern heads have really eliminated the pinch as a pressure differential and energy stealer…
Love the mopar thanks for all the info Eric
Thanks for the Mopar info. 🍻... Any updates on the Project X 440 head you're developing with Promaxx ?
Nice fair honest review Eric.
Well done.
Hughs did great considering.
They should have used a 2.050/2.055 intake, IMO.
Have a great day.
Why?
@@jmflournoy386 Just my opinion.
I do not have to give a reason.
@@edsmachine93 getting too close to the chamber wall is a good reason, takes more porting is another I agree with you
@@jmflournoy386 Thanks JM.
I can't help but think the velocity may be better also.
Sorry I misunderstood.
I only do 2.080 on 416's, 4.070 bores or bigger.
Yes, you are correct on valves shrouded.
Have a good evening. 👍
OH THE RESULTS for you further porting those TFS I would love to hear the results.they say BM 225 cc intake ports with moved over pushrods. They selll the Rocker arms for them too.My opinion is I bought TFS . Thank you ever so much for showing the differences of heads. I bet a very large SBM will be a screamer with those heads, I wish I lived close by or I would get you to dyno test what i am trying to build a 416 .with 12.2:1 compression. I been saving for transmission parts and a rear before i complete
Like to hear more on your build, engine trans gear specs..what kinda car?
@@gordocarbo 69 Dart will use a Racer Brown special Grind almost same as Used with Eric W. had on the 406.416 SBM. with 12.2:1 Eagle kit TFS 190. 750 AED Wiating to get a look at TFS Intake I have ordered , i do have a SV ed also but they need thorough porting each of their HP stuff does. then Mancini- H.S.RR. Morel RR. will be Milodon Oiling with studs where i can, also ARP 2000 rod bolts.saving for tranz, and rear. need to sell all my stuff from current 408 set up.I am trying not to Tub Car and currently deciding on offsetted shackles and weather the 4.10 and 28 x9s on 15x8 pro stars.Yukon Carrier would hold up with the extra torgue. Will go with 727 and 4500 stall max
Your great again.
I hardly ever do sb mopes either. But this was an interesting video and comparison. I have worked on the trickflow bb mopar 270's. Nice quality hardware. But I was not diggin the design. Those hughes heads seem like the clear choice for anything other than a 318 or a tow rig. The low flow is an easy fix with some carbide time. I am impressed with hughes in this particular case. I do wish Eddelbrock would change their seat ring sizing and bathtub chambers in many of their heads.
agree on the Edelbrock chambers
Looking forward to your flow numbers after your port work. Most power I’ve seen reported from the stock cnc work seems to be about 535 hp. It be good if us Mopar guys could buy these castings without the pushrod holes, so that we could just use W2 offset rockers.
Eric, if you and/or the customer can justify it, it’ll be great to get cc’s and CSA. The two sets of these heads that I know have been ported, they removed the vein completely. Thanks
Nice video Eric. I am not a Mopar guy, though I have clients that are. I can report the the Trickflow 190 heads are top quality and work really good on a 360/365 .030 in a nice street application. I too am a ProMaxx dealer, and recently sold a set of the cnc small block mopar heads for a fairly hot 365 . I hate to say it but the cnc work was less than stellar. On the sides of the SSR it was really wonky, the tooling steps were atrocious. And as is typical for Mopar the pinch was way to small to hit the desired power. So I installed brass tubes and got closer to the needed CSA then getting the T Ram to land on the port and have taper from the plenum to head took a rediculous amount of time. 🤦♂️
we need a good Poly head, I just don't have the $$$ to develop it right now.
Awesome been waiting on this ! But of course we all know these heads ain't shit compared to the w8/w9s
Be interesting to see them both dyno tested.
Hear hear!!! #s arent everything. So many debate heads with good low and mid numbers vs others that are piss poor but peak better.
Sucks Mopar guys have chitty choices I dont know why such an awesome engine 440 got dealt a bad hand.
Id take a nice 440 for a st engine any day over the Hemi.
World of difference in those two heads, yet flow numbers are close. I’d bet the TF’s can equal or out perform the Big mouth at half the cost.
guys iis that a different chamber than the early edelbrocks?
are the exhausts raised? please show with the gaskets
was told by a long time AFR person they didnt think there was enough market to make Mopar heads
Think that is wrong . Tons that would buy a good flowing one.
Too bad their prices are going frigging insane, no longer affrodable imo .
That exhaust port on that sbm just looks funky and old looking to me because it's got the angle going up but yet the shape coming out has no rooms because of the bolts it looks like and why do they keep lowering and flattening the floor. What's you thought on the exhaust port. And also what do you think about sbm vs Chevy heads in general on intake port and whatever else
Agree, The stupid position of those exhaust flange bolts makes it difficult for clearance to header pipes. If only they used a different pattern or spread them apart 1/4 inch further.
Trickflow is a good street head.
There s a story though of a guy using a hand ported set of Engine quest iron magnums castings. And when he switched to th teick flow cnc he want slower.
Engine tech cast iron was great RIP
EQ made great stuff!! Always wanted a set of thier kickazz sbc Vortec castings. Too late!
@@jmflournoy386 Sure were. ProTopline made some real nice iron head for BB too!
Yea mopar dyno mule 😀
Hugh’s has a kit to stroke a 360 mopar to 410, probably what these heads are aimed at.
I had a customer with a 396 inch LA that was definitely a bullet. Mid 11s iirc. 74 Cuda street car. This was the early 90s so it likely had 340 castings ported to the DC templates.
It’s a magnum block with the Hughes 426 stroker kit
Hughes has a 426 stroker kit and Indy Has 470 kit as well as Muscle Motors does for small blocks, which would be very nice
@smilsmff I was one of the first to buy their kit. My project has stalled for quite some time now, but I am hoping to get it back on track soon. There has been alot of new technology and offerings since my project stalled. The Gen 3 Hemi is looking better each day...
Why they don't use a offset rocker arm for the pinch is beyond me. Would it be worth welding up the pinch and porting it with a offset rocker? Keep the vids rolling learned much here!
They "do" use an offset rocker for the Hughes head. They move the pushrods over for a bigger intake port. Some small block Mopar heads use big block rockers.
W2 stuff uses an offset rocker. You could probably run an offset lifter as well
@@timothybayliss6680 I only have one set of bushed w2 rockers with Ford cup adjusters and bronze bushings That's the way we did them back in the day Now you can buy roller tip which were not available back then. Longer valves and higher lift than stock cams REQUIRE that the rocker shafts be relocated, there are kits available.
I am waiting for UTG to come in here and tell you why all this is garbage and you need some '302' castings because old junk iron that needs 40 hours of grinding is better than a brand new aluminum casting.
Good old Drunkle Tony.
I don't think what the valve angle is on the Mopar heads, anyone?
too funny!
18 degree stock and better placement in the cylinder than a SBC
Haha! Finished off by the drill and lap hackfest. Cant really get behind some of the "tips" given there .
If I had to pay ANYone to port my old mopar heads it would be Steve Dulcich. He is a smart mofo just doesnt thump his chest about it.
So many of these readily available heads for MOPAR are little more than stock replacement street deals, not capable of making real power, or turning big rpm. They're low budget, low performance bolt on parts.
For example.....an old school cast iron W2 will walk all over these 2 examples of "modern day" offerings. Wanna' make steam with an inline valve small block MOPAR??? Find a set of W8s and properly prep them. 1050+HP potential with a cast single and a wet sump.
Who’s running 1in of lift on a street strip head?
Class racers.
Just put a turbo on it.
Problem solved!
I can't disagree, but it does open a new bag of Snakes.