Hierarchy, Governance and Democracy on a Pirate Ship

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  • @GoldandGunpowder
    @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +28

    I hope you enjoyed this week's episode, don't forget to ask any questions if there was something unclear in the hierarchy or something extra you wonder about

    • @radraider8852
      @radraider8852 3 роки тому +2

      What about the Master Gunner and Boatswain, what is their place in the hierarchy?

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +2

      @@radraider8852 officer-artisans

    • @radraider8852
      @radraider8852 3 роки тому +3

      So now I want to create the structure for my crew of the Argonaut. This is a little example based of the characters that I created:
      The Captain - He is very
      knowledgeable in
      navigation so he’s
      also the Navigator.
      The Quartermaster - A childhood
      friend of the Captain
      and the Second in
      Command, making
      sure that the
      Captain’s orders to
      the crew are
      carried out.
      The First Mate - The Captain’s son
      and Third in Command
      but he’s more of an
      apprentice and
      assistant to the
      Captain rather than
      barking others.
      Second and Third Mates - I guess,
      equivalent to the
      lieutenants you
      mentioned in the
      video.
      Master Gunner,
      Sailing Master &
      Deck Master (Boatswain)
      These three have the same level of authority but each one in charge of their own department. Master Gunner is responsible for the ship’s armament. Sailing Master is in charge of the rigging, in which she communicates back and forward with the Captain in regards with navigation. Deck Master is responsible for the the condition of the hull and deck, and cargo arrangements.
      The crew is divided into Gunners, Sailors and Deck Hands, managed by the previously mentioned leads.
      Other positions include the Carpenters, Galley Chief and Ship’s Medic.
      So what do you think, I’m open to suggestions on how to arrange my crew.

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +1

      @@radraider8852 Sounds good but some thins look odd.
      - If the first mate is an apprentice he wouldn't have the duty of First Mate but would more likely be a Midshipman(a young officer in training on navy ships).
      - Deck Master I've never heard of, and Boatswains were in charge of the Rigging. If you want a guy in charge of the Cargo Arrangements, that would be the Quartermaster
      - Ship's Medic would be called Ship's Surgeon, I've never heard Medic used in this context.
      - "Gunners, Sailors and Deck Hands" is an odd assortment. Gunner is unnessecary since all the sailors had gunnery training("Gunner" is the officer-artisan also called "Master Gunner"). The role hierarchy amongst regular sailors should be Able-Bodied Seaman(regular/average sailor), Landman(inexperienced sailors) and Deckhand/Cabin Boy/Younker(underaged sailors).

    • @radraider8852
      @radraider8852 3 роки тому +1

      Again dude, you helped me out and cleared some of the misconceptions I had. Thanks much and in return I’ll try to help you out with info for your channel 👍🏻🏴‍☠️

  • @nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978
    @nowgoawayanddosomethinggoo8978 2 роки тому +37

    It's funny how fiction depicts pirates as a bunch of disorganized drunks when in reality they're all like ex-marines once conscripted to join a professional navy.

  • @theashenhunter8361
    @theashenhunter8361 3 роки тому +80

    Such an underrated channel for people with even a slight interest in the golden age of piracy.

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +15

      pirate history doesnt get enough attention

    • @j.s.connolly8579
      @j.s.connolly8579 3 роки тому +2

      @@GoldandGunpowder NO it doesn't OR the "RIGHT ATTENTION"! SO MUCH of what people THINK they know comes from sadly from Hollywood and Fiction! :(

    • @jjs8426
      @jjs8426 2 роки тому

      @@j.s.connolly8579 bruh pirates were Masonic

  • @j.s.connolly8579
    @j.s.connolly8579 3 роки тому +14

    THIS is WHY I LOVE HISTORY! I'm 56 and been studying history for most of my life... and I learn something new EVERY DAY! :D

  • @grizzlyblackpowder1960
    @grizzlyblackpowder1960 2 роки тому +11

    I love your videos on pirate society. Absolutely fascinated by the working of a "typical" pirate crew or even a company. I also really enjoy your videos on ship designs as I feel it's not as easy to categorize as ships in later periods and people often incorrectly identify pirate vessels. I just throw on some of your videos and build and paint models or work around the house, it's great.

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  2 роки тому +1

      i'd recommend my recent video on roberts crew if you like videos on pirate society

    • @grizzlyblackpowder1960
      @grizzlyblackpowder1960 2 роки тому

      @@GoldandGunpowder awesome, I think it was in my "watch next" videos already.

  • @spirospagiatis4731
    @spirospagiatis4731 3 роки тому +25

    Next video idea : Famous pirate shipwrecks like Blackbeard's Queen Anne's Revenge , Captain Kidd's Quedah Merchant , Captain Morgan's Satisfaction , Black Sam's Whydah Galley and Joseph Bannister's Golden Fleece.

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +5

      Will cover QAR in a few weeks

    • @jasondohrman7098
      @jasondohrman7098 2 роки тому +2

      I believe that black beards queen Anne's revenge has been found

  • @marcotarantino433
    @marcotarantino433 3 роки тому +11

    Fantastic video mate. Nice to see the term Larboard used instead of port. I feel that's perhaps the most common maritime anachronism I've seen in movies

  • @khublaklonk4480
    @khublaklonk4480 Рік тому +1

    Your latest cannon video popped into my feed, and now I'm feasting my mind on your excellent channel.
    You've made my brain very happy today. Well done!

  • @nikolajjorn1892
    @nikolajjorn1892 3 роки тому +17

    In Scandinavia on merchant ships the carpenter and botswain always had the same salary. Actually the carpenter that were and are to this day at the same rank as the botswain/ bosun got payed better. I looked this up in several ship Manning books from the 1700-1800 hundreds. I myself work as a carpenter on a ship, and I'm a able seaman to. And me and the bosun onboard have the same salary and are on the same rank. But of cause have different responses.

  • @NotaNameMadperson
    @NotaNameMadperson 3 роки тому +19

    Oh nice, I did not know about voting vs non-voting crew members!

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +5

      You can also call it "Cool kids" vs "Un-cool kids"

  • @sircliffordmalcolmjac5870
    @sircliffordmalcolmjac5870 Рік тому +2

    DUBAN!! 😂😂 OMG!! I freakin LOVE sid meiers pirates!! I used to play it on genesis then the remake on 360!! Thank you for that smile buddy!!😁😁

  • @michaelpage4199
    @michaelpage4199 3 роки тому +3

    This was great. Thanks for sharing

  • @undead9999
    @undead9999 3 роки тому +3

    This channel is gold. True gold.

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +3

      and gunpowder

    • @undead9999
      @undead9999 3 роки тому +2

      @@GoldandGunpowder yeah, that too! Ahahah. Seriously though. I've never seen such well researched material since I've read David Cordingly. Very well put together.

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +2

      thank you, I put a lot of emphasis on the research

    • @undead9999
      @undead9999 3 роки тому +1

      @@GoldandGunpowder it shows, it really shows

  • @kalavi-knightlygaming
    @kalavi-knightlygaming 3 роки тому +5

    Now that's interesting I never knew on what exact basis the crew operated, more knowledge to remember

  • @henrywilliams8545
    @henrywilliams8545 Рік тому +1

    Wonderful video. Love your channel and work, thank you.

  • @norizontal
    @norizontal 8 днів тому

    Just found this channel, I love it

  • @Steven-dt5nu
    @Steven-dt5nu Рік тому +1

    Im learning a lot and a great presentation.

  • @jasondohrman7098
    @jasondohrman7098 2 роки тому +8

    I am a carpenter by trade. Glad that if i signed on with a ship I would be respected. These days carpenters are looked down on.

    • @minhducnguyen9276
      @minhducnguyen9276 Рік тому +2

      In my country, carpentry and masonry are still relatively successful careers. Because wood and stone retain their value, people build old style wooden houses and stuff them with wooden furniture whenever they can afford it. Also because it's a status symbol since wood is an expensive building material, a successful businessman can show his guests how successful he is by inviting them to his countryside house built out of solid wood and bricks.

    • @Hellbilly615
      @Hellbilly615 Рік тому

      Go lay down some flooring, wood boy

  • @VexingWeeb
    @VexingWeeb 3 роки тому +2

    bruh the "yar" gets me every time

  • @SeaDog337
    @SeaDog337 2 роки тому +3

    Awww, you should've made the starboard watch bandanas green :P

  • @brookingsbeachcomber
    @brookingsbeachcomber 3 роки тому +3

    lots of cool info in this episode

  • @TheMike871993
    @TheMike871993 3 роки тому +3

    Hi, really enjoying your videos. Could you please do one on where the ships came from or the lineage of well known ships? They were built somewhere and eventually ended up in pirates possession but I've never seen anything on the subject.
    Cheers

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  3 роки тому +1

      I'm going to cover famous pirate ships, including where they were built and what happened to them. First one is coming out in 5-6 weeks

  • @adamwilson9232
    @adamwilson9232 Рік тому +1

    Do you think you will be doing ned low anytime soon?

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 2 роки тому +1

    I HAVE A QUESTION ABOUT WATCHES.... since a pyrate crew was quite a bit larger than a merchant crew sailing the same kind of vessel, I would think that a watch of 50 guys would not be needed to sail a sloop....(in your sloop vid you spoke of a pyrate sloop crew being from 50-100)
    So did they run things differently?
    or did most of them have little or nothing to do on their watch?
    What was the crew of a normal merchant sloop? 25?
    with 12 working at any given time?
    .....hmmmm, thinking

  • @darwyyzard
    @darwyyzard 2 роки тому

    This video was awesome and really informational thanks!

  • @gracenblackwelder7727
    @gracenblackwelder7727 2 роки тому +2

    Is the sailing master the same/similar to a bosun or are they different?

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  2 роки тому +1

      sailing master is responsible for the navigation and steering of the ship. during the middle ages he was virtually the captain, during the pirate period he was a very powerful officer
      bosuns are minor officers similar to a corporal or sergeant that are responsible for the day to day maintenance of the ship's rigging

  • @mageillus
    @mageillus 3 роки тому +6

    Gold and Gunpowder > Lost Pirate Kingdom

  • @erikthepirate8068
    @erikthepirate8068 3 роки тому +3

    Poor Actor. He was a Good Pirate with a Parrot. At least I love it.

  • @H3_Nozzlenose
    @H3_Nozzlenose 3 роки тому +1

    hey just a heads up, but the link to magonzalez’s channel leads to a 404. love your videos though, keep it up!

  • @adamlemons7909
    @adamlemons7909 3 роки тому +3

    Permission to board Captain? New subscriber ready to roll-and-go! :-)

  • @emmaj188
    @emmaj188 2 роки тому +1

    Could a captain leading a company get deposited by his crew?

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  2 роки тому +2

      if you mean deposed, yes, any commander could get deposed at any time, the system is ultimately anarchic and in the hands of the crewmen

    • @emmaj188
      @emmaj188 2 роки тому +1

      @@GoldandGunpowder interesting, would that be by the decision of only the crew of his flag ship or the whole company he's leading? And thanks for the answer!

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  2 роки тому +1

      these anarchic systems are never set in stone and dynamic so anything you might plausibly imagine can happen

  • @joeybowyer7222
    @joeybowyer7222 3 роки тому +2

    Are these sound effects from Sid Meier's Pirates? 😂

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 2 роки тому

    perhaps another term for "artisans" might be Specialists?

  • @gamma7290
    @gamma7290 2 роки тому

    hey, I was wondering how accurate the article on the pirate code was on wikipedia was. If you could check it out and maybe give your opinion, I'd appreciate it.

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  2 роки тому

      nah not gonna waste my time on wikipedia

    • @gamma7290
      @gamma7290 2 роки тому

      @@GoldandGunpowder where do I go for accurate information on pirates?

  • @novustalks7525
    @novustalks7525 2 роки тому

    what would the lieutenants do that the quartermaster wouldn't?

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  2 роки тому +1

      quartermaster was a sort of financier, administrator and human relations manager, whereas lieutenants and such equivelants were moreso deputies to the captain, fulfilling his commanding roles where or when he'd be unable to

    • @novustalks7525
      @novustalks7525 2 роки тому

      @@GoldandGunpowder thanks

  • @Ancientcaptain
    @Ancientcaptain Рік тому +1

    Just helping out with the algorithm

  • @benmayne6159
    @benmayne6159 2 роки тому

    I like your channel, some times you over simplifier it, but it is understandable as most people would not know or understand unless you went into detail. Office-Artisan is a term i haven’t heard in a long time like masters craftsman. It’s completely understandable you called the shipwright a carpenter as modem people don’t understand this terminology. I have a Question,, What did they call the person who measured out the power charges?? The boys who run the power to the guns were called power monkeys, even in these days will still use this term. But what on earth did they call the person who measured/weighted out the charges?? power-right?? power-weight?? pyrotechnic? lol

    • @GoldandGunpowder
      @GoldandGunpowder  2 роки тому

      its UA-cam and meant for a wider audience, if you want the full details you need to go and pick up a book, this is the reason I put my sources in the video description...

  • @stoicprepper
    @stoicprepper Рік тому

    Deze is voor het algoritme

  • @konstantin.v
    @konstantin.v 3 місяці тому

    But *who owned the ship* itself? To be signed as a voting member, does the voting member need to buy his share of the total price of the ship? Sounds like something very few could afford 🤔

  • @manuelkong10
    @manuelkong10 2 роки тому +1

    you say "next we have the officers who were not elected but were appointed by the crew"....and then list the Quarter Master who was clearly, as stated in your video, elected by the crew Unlike other officers....
    I don't think he was much like other officers, they seem to have had something else in mind

  • @bioemiliano
    @bioemiliano Рік тому

    Basically pirate companies were cooperatives

  • @swayback7375
    @swayback7375 Рік тому

    Well my comment this week is that I wish I found you sooner so I could have watched your deleted videos 😥

  • @sambfaber
    @sambfaber 26 днів тому

    Good videos but your music choices is absolutely horrible. Doesn't fit at all

  • @friedgreenaliernwomerns2600
    @friedgreenaliernwomerns2600 2 роки тому

    can we get an English speaking person to do these videos.

    • @entomopathogenicfungus904
      @entomopathogenicfungus904 2 роки тому +3

      If you can read you could try using the automatically generated subtitles if you're struggling to understand. Atleast he's not American 🤣