Had to do this with my elbow because low bar squats were killing it. Gave me a chance to focus on high bar and front squats again and though brutal, it's beena fun change of pace!
Your advice on how to deal with tendinitis has been incredibly helpful. Recently got into archery, and shot so much (with improper technique) that I developed tendinitis in my left forearm. Normally, I'd just quit and try to let it heal over the course of 6 weeks of inactivity. Instead, I assessed what I could do with relatively minimal discomfort, and have been training with some wrist straps for most of my pulling motions. While it's not all gone yet (it's been about 3 weeks), the symptoms continually get less and less each day, and I can still train. Thanks again.
I really enjoyed this episode. Good to know that I don't have to perpetually chase PR's in the Big 4 barbell lifts in order to age well, and that I can mix in some machine training for variety. (I had already reached that conclusion on my own, but it is nice to get confirmation of my bias from BBM!)
Nice! Related to the knee pain part... I had knee pain. Saw athlean-x's video on strengthening your hams and glutes to take their fair share of the load. Took about about two months where my leg work was all focused on hams/glutes and lots of single-leg work. The pain and problem vanished when I got back to squats and hasn't returned in a couple months since. My squat is up @ 20% in this time too.
tenarify sure, but we read actual research from people who participate in academic circles, which isn’t Lyle. I wouldn’t recommend using him as a resource if you want to learn about these things.
First of all, thanks for continuing to provide so much great content! I understand that strength is specific, but wouldn't barbell lifts carryover better to certain tasks because they are more similar? Everyday tasks like getting out of a chair, picking something up off the ground, or putting something on a high shelf resemble the squat, deadlift, and press a lot more than the leg press, hyperextension machine, or machine press. Does the evidence refute this, or is there just not enough good evidence to prove this thus far? I think that study that you mentioned would have been better if they tested real life tasks instead of using a dynamometer.
In lay man terms, what are the parameters that change when tissue adapts to a certain amount of training dose and is resilient to tendinopathy from that given training dose.
I saw this answered elsewhere. It's an opportunity to introduce slightly more stress to the body than you would get with the same weight plus belt. To put it slightly differently, you can get the same training stimulus with a slightly lighter weight by not using a belt, so this helps with fatigue management.
I heard the No and Maybe, but nothing really on Yes in terms of free weight benefits relative to machines. And this is not the first time from BBM. It is beginning to nocebo me - why am I spending so much time learning to squat and bench correctly, risking to misgroove a rep if there is no benefit to it unless I am a powerlifter? I just cannot believe that holding a barbell on your back really doesn't produce any unique beneficial adaptations relative to sitting in a chair while you press the plate away?
Well, it sounds like you’ve already been “nocebo’d” with the belief that you have to squat “perfectly” or you’ll incur some substantial amount of risk, which is not true. For health outcomes, if and when we have evidence to say that one is better than another, we’ll re-evaluate. Until then, it’s just conjecture.
@@tzqrr Thanks for the reply, I have a similar question. Do the barbell lifts transfer better to general use of strength in everyday life? Or is this not known? I understand that there is no known advantage in strength gains or health outcomes.
@@tzqrr Thank you for the reply. I am not worried so much about injury from a misgroove, just that it is more difficult to learn those movements and I invest that time thinking that training with barbells has unique benefits that outweight the learning curve issue. So why should somebody outside of powerlifters ever use squat and bench and deadlift if simpler machine movements produce similar strength and hypertrophy outcomes?
Love this channel and you guys are brilliant. BUT, the machine vs free weights. I think you maybe went too soft on the "maybe". Based on personal experience and what I see with coaching in my opinion: > Yes we dont want to tell people they must use barbells...machines are better than nothing and if everyone was on machines we would all absolutely be better off health wise. However I think they have several issues: > Studies are generally short term and benefit from the novice effect - If they had added pushups as well to that group they would have probably fared the same as well > Machines force an unnatural path - I have had injuries with machines that I never had with free weights > Machines don't require balance - something very important as we age > Machines try to isolate muscles vs train motion patterns - I personally feel that's not the best way to train as its not how the body works > Training motion patterns hits every muscle involved in the movement.. a standing press or squat is much more of a stress on your body than a seated machine press or leg press..to me we could hypothesize this leads to better overall strength > I could do a seated machine press with much more weight than I could standing barbell press...my abdominals, back muscles everything was like a noodle so I stopped doing machine > Something like a squat with axial load is much harder and involves more muscles than a machine could - I would also hypothesize a machine wouldnt stress my skeletal system in the same way to battle osteoporosis and such (due to axial loading of entire system) > Machines seem to hit plateau within a year or two (probably due to list above) - they just dont seem as trainable or programmable - I trained on machines exclusively for a couple years and going back to basic barbell movements has been an eye opener > My mom who is almost 80 was hitting machines for about a year with some progress, but stagnated....I got her doing barbell and her strength in basic movements such as squat, deadlift and bench has doubled in about 3 months. She couldn't do the olympic bar at first so I started her out with a small bar designed for bands. Now she is doing 95 pound squats. I simply could not get that type of progress training her on machines. Definitely requires further research, but I cant recommend machines. I would rather start a person with a broom stick doing squats or perhaps start from leg press and as soon as they are capable go to some type of bar.
I was definitely not happy with the recording conditions in our AirBnB and wish we would have used the lav mics. That being said, I hope the sound is acceptable for listening at normal speed.
It is a little odd that they don't have a preference for barbells. It is possible to encourage any means of strength training, while having an informed preference for barbells. I think, if pressed, they do think barbells are preferable to machines, but I take their point, i.e. that any means of strengthening should be encouraged.
I think he meant the black flag which says "Fueled by HVIII" (Roman numerals H8) and I suppose it's pronounced Hate. If I'm not mistaken this is a brand by some weird fitness UA-camr or something? Maybe Jordan doesn't like that brand.
Toni Lindholm nothing is wrong with Matt, but I cannot support a brand promoting hate. If you have an opportunity or platform to do good and you don’t, that bums me out.
@@BarbellMedicine I would like to hope that your otherwise greatly helpful contribution through your brand doesn't get polluted by politics, whichever the color. If I was wrong, my apologies.
Depends if the HSR training doesn't workout for you. A lot of powerlifters get injuries, like 70%. Seems to be a masochistic cult, so I know how you feel and tend to agree with you. Also, seems like a lot of us have to stay quiet about it too :) .
So awesome of you to order your sources by topic/timestamp. The effort is much appreciated.
Yeah just shows how much time is put in by Jordan on the details
I talk about BBM to anyone who will stand still long enough. Thanks for all the hard work you do.
Pendlay Row Productions. I am dead
Thanks for answering my question Jordan and Austin! If anyone is wondering, I did very well on my paper.
William Welsh Awesome, dude.
An hour of BBM? YES PLEASE.
“So yeah...being strong is cool” - Dr. J, 2019
The girl on the side seemed to agree wholeheartedly.
Your video / form checks are really valuable, thanks for your time
Thank you for such high quality information! You and Austin have updated so much of the info I had known for years!
Had to do this with my elbow because low bar squats were killing it. Gave me a chance to focus on high bar and front squats again and though brutal, it's beena fun change of pace!
Your advice on how to deal with tendinitis has been incredibly helpful. Recently got into archery, and shot so much (with improper technique) that I developed tendinitis in my left forearm. Normally, I'd just quit and try to let it heal over the course of 6 weeks of inactivity. Instead, I assessed what I could do with relatively minimal discomfort, and have been training with some wrist straps for most of my pulling motions. While it's not all gone yet (it's been about 3 weeks), the symptoms continually get less and less each day, and I can still train. Thanks again.
I hope you crush your meet, my favorite vlogs are when everyone is peaking and doing great in training. 👍
I read that as "I hope you meet your crush" first time around haha
Conor O Donnell well knowing Jordan I hope he meets his crush too.
@@DSingh4809 Haha well true
Is it just me, or does Baraki put on his top inside out?
Correction, Baraki pulls his bottoms on outside in.
@@BarbellMedicine I only do that when I've delayed laundry day for too long.
He may, just estimating his age that would've been the trend when he was in college in VA
How much to have Austin physically restrain me?
Try to stop me from slappin another 45. I dare you austin
Now thats a kink right there
I really enjoyed this episode. Good to know that I don't have to perpetually chase PR's in the Big 4 barbell lifts in order to age well, and that I can mix in some machine training for variety. (I had already reached that conclusion on my own, but it is nice to get confirmation of my bias from BBM!)
Muscle growth is one thing, ligament and tendon growth/repair (just as important in fact might be the most important) is still being understood.
Love these series
Love the quality of this video. Appreciate seeing all the different segments as well. Please keep it up!!
Nice! Related to the knee pain part... I had knee pain. Saw athlean-x's video on strengthening your hams and glutes to take their fair share of the load. Took about about two months where my leg work was all focused on hams/glutes and lots of single-leg work. The pain and problem vanished when I got back to squats and hasn't returned in a couple months since. My squat is up @ 20% in this time too.
That's great. Be careful not to assume causation there, however, as the resolution of pain may be completely unrelated to the glute work.
@@tzqrr True. It could have been unrelated.
Good luck on your meet!
Very good information, So glad I found this channel! I have to wander, was it a conscious decision for Dr. Baraki to wear his shirt inside out.
Appreciate the review check, much cheers!
Thanks for the advice on my lifts Jordan, I'll try to set my phone up a little further back next time around :)
Pendlay Row productions 🙌
Thumbs up for the intro!
Upload as podcast, please. Still can't find this in my player.
You guys have any videos for shoulder pain?
Omg that was legit amazing
Love the intro and as always you provided high quality content. I was wondering if "What's the magic diet" song was released somewhere? : D
Personally, my knee pain was dramatically reduced when I improved my overall calf development.
Is the knee rehab template still free?
Hey guys what happened between you and starting strength? I really enjoy your content and has helped me a lot thank for the video
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@@BarbellMedicine thanks guys!!!!
57:20 What kind of pants are those Jordan? Would buy.
Do you have any recommended machine only programs?
Thoughts on new Lyle McDonald's article on sarcoplasmic hypertrophy?
tenarify didn’t read it.
@@BarbellMedicine well, go read it.
tenarify that is unlikely.
@@BarbellMedicine don't you get excited when someone disagrees with you and has evidence to support it? #sayNOtoConfirmationBias
tenarify sure, but we read actual research from people who participate in academic circles, which isn’t Lyle. I wouldn’t recommend using him as a resource if you want to learn about these things.
First of all, thanks for continuing to provide so much great content!
I understand that strength is specific, but wouldn't barbell lifts carryover better to certain tasks because they are more similar? Everyday tasks like getting out of a chair, picking something up off the ground, or putting something on a high shelf resemble the squat, deadlift, and press a lot more than the leg press, hyperextension machine, or machine press. Does the evidence refute this, or is there just not enough good evidence to prove this thus far? I think that study that you mentioned would have been better if they tested real life tasks instead of using a dynamometer.
We're on our NLP! (Yeah you know me)
Cool.
flames
In lay man terms, what are the parameters that change when tissue adapts to a certain amount of training dose and is resilient to tendinopathy from that given training dose.
good luck Jordan
58:15 She mirin hard while grippin that bar :D
Is there a reason for doing nobelt lifts? Since I guess you're allowed to have the belt when competing
I saw this answered elsewhere. It's an opportunity to introduce slightly more stress to the body than you would get with the same weight plus belt.
To put it slightly differently, you can get the same training stimulus with a slightly lighter weight by not using a belt, so this helps with fatigue management.
@@josh214haigh oh! Great explanation. Makes sense now. Thanks!
Austin's top is definitely inside out lol
Damn Daniel
Austin is wearing hes top inside out
Does anybody know which is the 'hate banner' Jordan is referring to during the second form check?
"HVIII" brand is what he's talking about, apparently he's not a Matt Vincent fan for whatever reason.
Yessssss! Needed this
The sound quality is a torture.
Love your energy.. Best fitness intro ever
What is a "hate banner?"
I heard the No and Maybe, but nothing really on Yes in terms of free weight benefits relative to machines. And this is not the first time from BBM. It is beginning to nocebo me - why am I spending so much time learning to squat and bench correctly, risking to misgroove a rep if there is no benefit to it unless I am a powerlifter? I just cannot believe that holding a barbell on your back really doesn't produce any unique beneficial adaptations relative to sitting in a chair while you press the plate away?
Well, it sounds like you’ve already been “nocebo’d” with the belief that you have to squat “perfectly” or you’ll incur some substantial amount of risk, which is not true.
For health outcomes, if and when we have evidence to say that one is better than another, we’ll re-evaluate. Until then, it’s just conjecture.
@@tzqrr Thanks for the reply, I have a similar question. Do the barbell lifts transfer better to general use of strength in everyday life? Or is this not known?
I understand that there is no known advantage in strength gains or health outcomes.
josh214haigh How would this be measured?
@@tzqrr Thank you for the reply. I am not worried so much about injury from a misgroove, just that it is more difficult to learn those movements and I invest that time thinking that training with barbells has unique benefits that outweight the learning curve issue. So why should somebody outside of powerlifters ever use squat and bench and deadlift if simpler machine movements produce similar strength and hypertrophy outcomes?
Yes, no, maybe. Maximum nuance. T-shirt idea?
200% better than 98% of rap verses now a days.
Ha, that's damning with faint praise.
LMAOOOOO STRAIGHT BARZZZZZZZZZZZZ!!!!! #BBMixtape
!!!!!!
Love this channel and you guys are brilliant. BUT, the machine vs free weights. I think you maybe went too soft on the "maybe". Based on personal experience and what I see with coaching in my opinion:
> Yes we dont want to tell people they must use barbells...machines are better than nothing and if everyone was on machines we would all absolutely be better off health wise. However I think they have several issues:
> Studies are generally short term and benefit from the novice effect - If they had added pushups as well to that group they would have probably fared the same as well
> Machines force an unnatural path - I have had injuries with machines that I never had with free weights
> Machines don't require balance - something very important as we age
> Machines try to isolate muscles vs train motion patterns - I personally feel that's not the best way to train as its not how the body works
> Training motion patterns hits every muscle involved in the movement.. a standing press or squat is much more of a stress on your body than a seated machine press or leg press..to me we could hypothesize this leads to better overall strength
> I could do a seated machine press with much more weight than I could standing barbell press...my abdominals, back muscles everything was like a noodle so I stopped doing machine
> Something like a squat with axial load is much harder and involves more muscles than a machine could - I would also hypothesize a machine wouldnt stress my skeletal system in the same way to battle osteoporosis and such (due to axial loading of entire system)
> Machines seem to hit plateau within a year or two (probably due to list above) - they just dont seem as trainable or programmable - I trained on machines exclusively for a couple years and going back to basic barbell movements has been an eye opener
> My mom who is almost 80 was hitting machines for about a year with some progress, but stagnated....I got her doing barbell and her strength in basic movements such as squat, deadlift and bench has doubled in about 3 months. She couldn't do the olympic bar at first so I started her out with a small bar designed for bands. Now she is doing 95 pound squats. I simply could not get that type of progress training her on machines. Definitely requires further research, but I cant recommend machines. I would rather start a person with a broom stick doing squats or perhaps start from leg press and as soon as they are capable go to some type of bar.
51:00. That's the thin red line. Not a hate banner.
@@flicmydik o whoops. Nvm.
Your treble is too high which makes your lips sound all "smackey"
Yes, I would've liked cleaner audio, but the reverb and hum in the room made us take the treble up. We'll use the lavs if in this situation again.
Bad sound, which means lower-speed listening, which means the video costs the viewer more time. (Yes, I normally listen at high speed.)
I was definitely not happy with the recording conditions in our AirBnB and wish we would have used the lav mics. That being said, I hope the sound is acceptable for listening at normal speed.
Jordan. Please notice me.
It is a little odd that they don't have a preference for barbells. It is possible to encourage any means of strength training, while having an informed preference for barbells. I think, if pressed, they do think barbells are preferable to machines, but I take their point, i.e. that any means of strengthening should be encouraged.
What was up with that HVIII banner? Are they some weird sketchy shit or do they just promote goofy bs?
I don't get it either. Not American so it went over my head. Who are they?
Jesus Christ.
Chris W nope, it’s Jordan. Common mistake though.
Why do you call the thin red line flag a hate flag? Isn't it to honor firefighters?
I think he meant the black flag which says "Fueled by HVIII" (Roman numerals H8) and I suppose it's pronounced Hate.
If I'm not mistaken this is a brand by some weird fitness UA-camr or something? Maybe Jordan doesn't like that brand.
Huffman_Tree correct.
@@BarbellMedicine What's wrong with Matt / HVIII Brand?
Toni Lindholm nothing is wrong with Matt, but I cannot support a brand promoting hate. If you have an opportunity or platform to do good and you don’t, that bums me out.
@@BarbellMedicine I would like to hope that your otherwise greatly helpful contribution through your brand doesn't get polluted by politics, whichever the color. If I was wrong, my apologies.
bro that cringe at the beginning was overwhelming.
If you have knee pain, see a doctor, get xrays, etc. Working out with knee problems can cause worse and even permanent knee problems.
No.
Depends if the HSR training doesn't workout for you. A lot of powerlifters get injuries, like 70%. Seems to be a masochistic cult, so I know how you feel and tend to agree with you. Also, seems like a lot of us have to stay quiet about it too :) .
Double no.
@@tzqrr Look at the guy's profile pic, he MUST HAVE some credibility,
Thank you for your valuable contribution MAGA MAN