KDE Plasma Finally Fixed The Edit Mode!!
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- Опубліковано 29 тра 2024
- In my early Plasma 6 videos I was very critical of the way that edit mode worked and it turns out the devs agree that it needed some work and with 6.1 we're getting a redesigned edit mode.
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The new edit mode looks sexy, I approve.
Same here, much more appealing to the eyes.
7:48 Having a "Done" button instead of "Delete Panel" will be great. The current "Delete Panel" location feels like it is where a "Done" or "Close" button should be. I have been close to deleting a panel several times so I look forward to this change!
I have deleted panels multiple times for this exact reason and had to recreate them (or, as I recently found out, just click "Undo" on the notification... wish I wasn't in Do Not Disturb when I deleted my panels the first few times)
@@aaronjamt The problem with notifications is that they clutter up the screen really quick so I don't blame you on turning them off.
Wow, imagine that. Developers who listen to user feedback. Mind blowing.
This sarcastic message has been brought to you by the gnome development team.
Gnome development monobrain knows you better than you know yourself, so listening to you is useless
@@NJ-wb1cz they turned into basically every other company. "Trust us, we know better for you, it's for your security :)"
KDE developers do a fantastic job! 💙 I myself still daily drive Xfce, which is also really user centric and highly configurable, but what KDE does is actually really amazing.
Although a bit of a challenge the desktop might be having almost "to many features" if that is possible, resulting in a bit more complexity and making maintainability a bit more difficult, but I really appreciate it and especially also the mindset behind it.
"oPeN SoUrCe iS nOt A DeMoCrAcY"
@@YourIdeologyIsDelusional the developers decided for themselves to make this, not by pressure or by a democratic decision
the one thing plasma edit mode desperately needs is a reset changes buttons, so once you inevitably fuck up you don't have to manually fix it. everyone has deleted their panel at least once, and if you're new to the DE (especially if you're coming from mac/windows) that's absolutely a panic moment right there
Hot take but if you delete a panel and then start panicking maybe Windows is the OS for you lol
TBF, panic moments are what teach us to be more careful next time.
@@derekday4832 they only teach you that if you're already invested, otherwise the lesson is "this isn't worth my time" and people leave
@@FoxyDrew which mean Linux has bad UX
Hoolly shit the new edit mode looks clean af
The "Edit Mode Bar" should be at the very top, above the zoomed area and the "desktop tool bar" should be **IN** the zoomed area. Currently it is mixed up. That being said, I love the coming changes, everything that makes configuration more intuitive is a great step forward.
Completely agree
Having the toolbar at the top is something that as been mentioned a lot and i kinda agree.
However, there is a bit of a problem that even if that toolbar would be at the top, it still wouldn't be that fixed, but it would still have to be dancing around a bit in cases there are top panels (in which case may look more belonging to the panel rather being global), or temporary dialogs open, like the add widgets sidebar or the panel configuration popup.
Otherwise some buttons can get temporarily covered, which is one of the things this design was made to avoid.
However, this is how it will be in 6.1, for 6.2 I plan to give a try to put it on top to see if we find a design that works
I mean I get what you mean but imagine you have a top bar along with bottom or side, wouldn't the 'edit mode bar' overlap with the top bar, hindering the ability to edit it?
@@codeIMperfect No, the desktop would still zoom out., you would see a scaled down version.
Here's to hoping that plasma and cosmic become the most popular desktop environments so we collectively don't have to care about gnome's awful decisions.
If you use Plasma you don't need to care about Gnome's decisions, whatever you think of them.
I spent too much time last night discovering all the deliberate UI regressions from Inkscape 1.2 to 1.3. I am becoming increasingly convinced that the stupidity of Gnome is actually rooted in GTK.
Apparently the reason why the icons in the Inkscape layers panel are now visible only when hovering the pointer over that layer item is because ONE DEVELOPER decided his eyes were bad at darting over to glance at the panel and then accurately returning to his mouse pointer.
@@derekday4832 you might be able to escape gnome, but app developers can't and you can't escape GTK. You are going to end up using a gtk app.
Cosmic feels like the lerfect mix of the best of kde and gnome.
They have the good and simple style from gnome, whil being very open to users input and always implement new good features proposed by others
@@CaraesNaur GTK is not a generic toolkit anymore. It's a GNOME toolkit and the devs only care what GNOME wants for it. That's why the Mint team were looking to fork GTK 3.
I just want dynamic workspaces in Plasma.
Same!!
Remind me what those are? I've heard it's a thing on GNOME but I've just been using KDE Plasma.
@@brainstormsurge154 I believe that's what they call their system that automatically adds and removes workspaces so that there's one more than the number you're using
Brainstormsurge
Dynamic workspaces means that you start with 1 or 2 workspace and if you move a window between workspaces it automatically create/deletes workspaces based on if there are any open windows left on that workspace.
Honestly i never liked as i never know where apps have gone, and i always felt 4 workspaces are more then enough for me, but i can see why some folks would like it
Btw cosmic already has implemented them, so for once kde is the one left behind (which happens very rarely lol)
There is a plugin that does the job, it closes any extra workspace when it's not being used and creates new ones when you move a windows to the + panel. It's not great but does the job.
Other thing I really wanted is for the workspace "overview", I don't remember the correct name, that mode that shows all your workspaces side by side, to use the best possible number of lines and columns to show all the workspaces side by side with the max size possible, instead of using the configured system lines and columns.
Even if there was no actual benefit to it, that zoomed out Edit mode looks kind of nice.
Also, the "Done" button for the panel config was actually mentioned as a 6.1 feature in Nate's blog some weeks ago. A small, but nice change.
Yeah, at the very least it makes it easy to visually understand you are in some kind of different mode.
Which is a great thing for kde, as the biggest problem of kde is that there is so much stuff, you may end up not understanding the fuck is going on lol
Maybe when you drag a widget out of the list, it temporarily closes the widget panel and then reopens it when you let go?
That's exactly what I thought, makes total sense and it lets you do what you need to do without interfering
I agree, this is a really good improvement. When such a thing so much more user friendly, it also becomes something you like to use a lot more frequently.
When it comes to small or lower resolution screens, I believe they should make the edit mode itself configurable, in the sense that a floating editor window can also be chosen, maybe just with a toggle button, to switch between both.
Such a toggle button is what I also know from a window designer toolbox when doing desktop application development in an IDE.
Why can't I easily duplicate my panels on all my desktops
That would be a nice addition
Pretty sure you can do that from "Panel and Desktop Management" it's not a single click, but you can achieve what you want.
This is a great contrast to Windows 11 beta removing even the rest of the hidden options to edit the look of your desktop (registry keys to make your taskbar smaller/move it to the sides and change the look of your start menu).
I am forced to deal with Windows at work, boy do I wish Windows kernel was separated from the desktop environment so we could actually make it useful again.
Personally it's a really big step up from the current edit mode and it reminds me of Android launcher's hold to edit feature. And I do personally agree with you about the bar that's on top of the desktop to have a more stationary position as it has settings that's related to both the panel and the desktop. And for accessibility reasons ofc.
I'm not a fan of how much everything moves around. You are right, when you rely on a screen magnifier (and especially at 20-30x zoom levels like I do), having things move around a lot is very annoying and makes it easy for me to lose track of everything. I'd have to try this personally to see what it's like though.
+1
Move that top bar up!
I just want separate workspace switching per screen 😢
If i am not wrong, both kde and gnome don't have that, thus you have to use window managers for that feature.
Which do is sad
@@no_name4796 gnome does do that by default iirc. extra monitors are treated as individual workspaces
@@breadpirateroberts4946 it doesn't, but it's a setting one can change
@paul895 are you sure? I looked into this a while ago and there was no way to get separate workspace switching per screen.
The one good thing from Macs that Gnome doesn't copy.
Thank GOD. I switched (again) to Linux (EndeavourOS) a couple of weeks ago and wanted a modern look but Gnome is Gnome so I decided to go with Plasma. I loved playing around with it for a few hours until I had my theme how I wanted it and then I went to edit my panels and holy shit man what a clusterfuck I would be dragging widgets or applets or whatever they're called from one panel to another and they would, without me releasing my mouse button, get stuck on the desktop. Had to delete the desktop panel config file to try to start again to get rid of the little sh*ts. Then it happened again, so I deleted the config again. Then I finally got everything how I wanted it for the time being and when trying to build a new panel to replace one a couple of days later.... the same thing happened again and I said screw it and went back to windows. After a couple of days I did reinstall again (a couple of different times to try out different desktop environments) and settled back on Plasma again because I just prefer how it does things when it works. But I said screw it I'm not customizing anything whatsoever. Maybe I'll try again once 6.1 comes out. Definitely backing up that config file first though lol.
Just installed KDE and coincidentally got this video. Looks cool and can't wait to try. The old edit mode was an eye sore
Im gonna enjoy really polished kde when debian 13 releases hopefully
A big usability improvement, and it looks gorgeous. Yet another reason why the KDE devs are GOATs!
6:38, Simple: Allow the dialogue to be resized and add a scroll bar when everything re-flows and something is not visible. The remaining space is for the desktop and panel being edited.
As a long time kde user you made me excited for a new version of plasma for the first time in years
Something I wish KDE would still fix is there always seems to be two edit modes and whenever you go into edit mode, you are in "true edit mode" where you can edit the panel (yes I know it the panel's edit mode) but if you click anywhere you exist edit mode, but you're still in edit mode, and any time you need to change the panel you have to re-enter edit mode inside edit mode. That's how it sort of feels to me, and it's incredibly confusing.
Edit: Ah nice, they actually covered this at 5:30
The old edit mode wasn't great (my first linux desktop experience was on KDE, I immediately tried edit mode and accidentally removed my entire panel because I thought it was a button to dismiss the popup and I got very lost and frustrated), but this new one seems even worse is a lot of aspects, it mixes editable content and editing popups and panels with no clear separation, so it doesn't solve any of the confusion for new users it's still as weird and unintuitive, while adding a ton of dead space so it's even harder to position things. I think the osu!lazer skin editor can be a good inspiration for the design, it zooms out but keeps the screen as is and only shows the editing tools on the outside, so it's both acts as an exact preview, let's you know clearly know you are in the skin edit mode, and instead of wasting half the screen with dead space it utilizes all of it for the edit tools. The iOS lock screen and home screen editing modes are well designed and can be a source of inspiration as well although they are a lot more restricted than KDE so it's not a fair comparison.
I didn't have issues with the old edit mode, but this one is way better
This just looks really sensible, and i lke a lot of the other ideas discussed both in the video and the comments. I don't need to do crazy amounts of customization if the baseline is already pretty solid, but when I do, let it be easy
God damn that is beautiful.
You are more beautiful
I mean you definitely get the hang for it but I too always felt that the KDE edit system was confusing and not very comfortable...this seems to solve basically every problem with it
Not sure if this is being looked at because of Brodie's earlier video or not. Good if it isn't, better if it is! Brodie described exactly what he thought could be improved upon, and offered suggestions for how to do it. When a user offers that kind of feedback, it doesn't automatically mean they're right and you should do it that way, but it does mean they've given you an actionable report.
I'm not sure KDE is really right for me as I'm a lot more minimalist about my GUI needs-gimme a stacking compositor or compositing WM, a strip of icons down the side of my screen, a searchable menu launcher, and a pager … that's all I need or want. Most DE's are massively overkill given that. But at least I can happily recommend KDE to other people, knowing that the devs are listening.
Interesting video. Personally, I think the problem is lack of clarity and explanation of how the current editing mode actually works. The first time I tried it I did find it annoying and frustrating. After several attempts I realised that edit mode was actually consistent, I just didn't know how it worked. The solution to me would be some sort of guide to the edit mode that explained the basics of how it worked that, ideally, was part of the software (or desktop UI as in this case) and did not require an internet connection or start up my web browser.
In the Windows world there has been a built-in help system that provided a quick way to find information about the current software and how to use it. It was easy to navigate and the help pages could contain linkable text to another help page. This made it quick and simple to find the information you needed to proceed. One of the key strengths was that although the help system was part of the OS, all the help information was included in the software you were using and did NOT rely on an internet connection and a web browser. A key feature was that it was also possible to do a keyword search within the help, making it even easier.
One of the laziest and annoying 'features' these days is when the software developer couldn't be bothered to write a proper help system explaining the software and how it worked, but instead started up your web browser and sent you to a page where there is supposedly helpful information, assuming the page even actually exists. This is, sadly, becoming a very common way of doing things and is a significant bain of my computing life. Modern help systems may seem fine and easy to navigate for people who know the software, but then what's the point? A decent help system makes learning a new software relatively straightforward and not a major hurdle just to achieve the simplest task. It's not necessarily that the software is badly designed, but that there isn't the information on how to use it available in a way the is readily available, quick to access, and simple to use so the user can just find the correct information and get on with task at hand.
TL:DR What is needed is a proper help system that is buiilt into the software. This is something that is painfully lacking in modern software. Maybe Linux should take a page out of Windows' book and develop a proper help system that does not rely an internet connection or just send you to a web page or drop you down another rabbit hole. Modern 'help' systems are truly awful, and often why most people just don't (or won't) bother trying anything new.
Among the desktop-environments plasma is my favorite and it is what I recommend to new Linux users, though I have found out that many of them also really like the Zorin OS its desktop-envrionment, but that is tied to that one distribution.
Regarding the crowded header bar with settings and Add and Exit, the two left-hand Add options could be replaced by "Add..." where the user clicks and a short list contains an "Add Widgets" option and an "Add Panel" option and you just choose one. Otherwise, combine "Desktop and Wallpaper" with Global Themes into a drop down list called "Desktop and Themes" where you then select the first option or the second. Mind you I don't feel like "Display Configuration" really belongs there so that could just be removed as you say.
Don't you love it when devs listen to feedback and don't try to defend the original design up until the end of time..?
Some feedback coming from me: i love that we finally previously got a properly organized edit box that pops up for the panel but at the same time i feel like it's design could be much better because right now they've used almost standard kde plasma buttons for everything with the same visual importance weight so to say, and it's really hard to see what is a label and what is the button to change the setting. Hope that makes sense.
Like it's the same as with the previous edit mode: to a developer or to a power user who got used to it by doing it a million times it comes easy but a new user just gets confused because too much is there and not enough guiding info.
Yeah i used gnome for 2 years, and switched to kde a little ago, and yeah edit mode was just a fucking mess the first time i used it.
Now i can use it, but It still crazy.
That's a good change, but tbh, why someone will spend so much time editing the UI? I mean, it's set and forget, so the edit mode is good enough already.
A thing that they really should take a look is the Overview, as it's on the top-left "hot corner" (or whatever it's called) it's made to be used more often than edit a panel. IMO really lacks of a panel, or at least something to open new apps... Coming from GNOME, I really miss a panel on the bottom of the screen.
Maybe just do a plain and simple ribbon across the top of the screen like something out of MS office? Then, you'd shrink the task bar and desktop preview to fit the Y height of the screen minus the ribbon and some padding. On the ribbon, panel settings and widget settings could be their own separate tabs on that ribbon. It would be very 2000's, yes... but it would maximize both the task bar and desktop size and not have the UI jump around the screen as much, being more intuitive.
make it so the zoom out is smaller and the options are on borders around the smaller desktop so you have a better view of the desktop. when you enter edit mode it just transitions into it, and when you leave it your desktop zooms back in. also when you're editing panels and stuff they'll show up on the minimized desktop instead of around it
I almost can't waiting 🤩
This is the biggest change in a long time, much better
i would like edit mode to have an option for add or remove blur on individual items on the desktop or make them completely transparent. like if one just wanted the panel, just the dock, just folders, that would be cool.
Another slight issue is that the zoomed out desktop includes the space that would be taken up by the panel(s).
Plasma is the only linux desktop I like and even though I had grown accustomed to it whenever I used it... these changes are amazing!
The zoom will make it impossible to position things on the desktop at pixel precision once edit mode is exited.
I would rather the desktop gets an obvious graphical overlay, perhaps heavily tinted with the theme's accent color, a giant KDE logo, or giant "Edit Mode" text. Making the widgets menu or whatever else clearly re-positional solves the other issues.
Deleting a widget by dragging it to the dead space could be just as confusing as accidentally dropping it on the panel. The widgets window should contain the destination for deleting widgets: a big trash can icon labeled "Drag widgets here to delete them".
The only inarguable win in this demo is the "Done" button.
I don't think dragging it out to delete is confusing. Aren't people used to it on their phones? It's easy as well, you just yeet it out of bounds. For me, it's like just flicking my mouse towards me and ending up on start menu button
@@johnwick1877It’s a “no cue” issue. I remember when iOS 7 just dropped. It introduced a whole new way to “Alt Tab” and close apps. It looked good, but it took me a surprisingly long amount of time to understand the idea of sliding the app window to the top of the screen to fully close the app. Nowadays, it’s natural, but I think it’s only because I’ve done it so many times.
A sane change, and a sane take.
KDE Pasma is the best DE!
It just need a bit more people to support it so the few remaining features can be added too.
If I used KDE I guess this would matter more. lol But you run what I run. I decided to wait to use Hyprland till this year. Was using DWL before once I went full Wayland. Keep up the good shit.
Maybe a solution which would avoir using too much zoom would be to have 2 partially overlaping windows
- one for the desktop being worked on
- one for the list of widgets
When you drag a widget, and your mouse goes over the desktop window, this window automatically goes to from.
To go back to the widget window, either click on it or make it pop up.
One issue I see is plasmoids can more easily accidentally be placed behind panels and you wouldn't notice until you exit edit mode. /i could se this being annoying if you are trying to place a plasmoid right next to a panel as you can't see exactly where the panels are. One solution could be to show something on the zoomed out desktop preview that indicates the panel position.
I like it a lot I cant wait. I love the KDE desktop to begin with but it has some little issues for sure.
I'm not so sure about the new design. The old one isn't particularly good either, but in the new one it seems that there is an arbitrary separation and/or combination of items that can and can not be edited. Putting this other edit-bar right on the top could be a problem as well, when users have set a global menu bar. That can't be moved away from that position, in case the user wants to resize another vertical left or right depending on the height of the global menu bar.
I think the Panel Settings dialog box should be a single column. That would let it use the full vertical span of the display and maximize the space available for the desktop. In any case, I think this news is awesome. Edit Mode is probably the biggest pain point for me in KDE right now, so it's great to hear they're fixing it.
My issue is that when you add a second panel the panel settings window opens on top of the editing panel. You can move the editing panel to the other side of the screen, but If you want to edit the other panel as well the panel settings is once again on top of the editing panel and you have to move it again. It's not a good experience! If this change fixes that I'm all for it.
Glad i am still on plasma5 then until 6 is ironed out.
It'll be pretty good by 6.27.
it would be even better if it zoomed back in while you are dragging the widget, then zoom back out once you've placed it.
KDE becoming usable finally is cool.
Can they fix the weather widget now? ...Please?
I'm not convinced that these are high priorities. How often do you tinker with your desktop layout.
I use Plasma 6 and think it's great but at this point there must be more important work to do.
Yes, but also rn edit mode is undeniably a mess.
A linux newbie would get scared and go back to windows, after seeing it.
I use linux since 2 years ago, and i still had problems understand it lol
I agree that there are higher priorities (fixing the stuttering being one of them), but the edit mode is pretty bad right now and it used to be buggy as hell. Fixing it improves the overall experience for new users. It is good to use something that does not break all the time.
With the widget tool I feel like it should collapse whenever you take a widget out and come back by letting go of the widget and clicking the desktop, and then you can click again to close it or press the close button. As for the panel options.... Idk I don't think that the desktop should dodge that. It that's open then you're working on the panel, it doesn't really matter if it's covering some of the desktop, especially now that the chances of accidently moving elements between the panel and the desktop has been minimized.
I think they should keep the current setup and close the widgets whenever something is dragged. You're not going to be adding more than 1-2 widgets anyway.
With this one theres too much movement and the actual screen you're working on becomes too small. This would be a problem on something like a 14 inch laptop.
I just want want a gnome like scroll bar. I know i can use kvantum manager but there is no official breeze theme
I think it might be better to fade out the widget menu when you grab a widget rather than shrink the entire desktop more. Then when you let go of the widget, fade it back in. At least for smaller displays. Just have the menu hover over the desktop area.
The undo button as well as load/save layout has to be a thing
Other than that i think all of these changes are amazing design decisions, they make the mode way more intuitive
Edit mode was broken. It always confuses me.
But what I would love to see is some love for the beginners.
For example, try to format as a beginner a USB removable to ExtFat or NTFS. Or even worse, try to repair a drive.
We live in a world dominated by Windows users. We need to adapt to the reality and coexist😅
KDE Settings app minimum size is also a problem on small screens - such as my 14" laptop screen.
keeping popups as popups, ergo allowing them to overlay the desktop beneath, would not force it to decrease in scale to this extent.
Bro, that's not "finally" this is really fast for development times imo.
And he's a wayland shill. He should be used to 5 years to implement a very basic feature lol
Depends:
- Fast counting from when they finally acknowledged the problem? true
- But still very slow if we count when it was introduced (it was always super chaotic)
Just let the Paneledit float above the desktop preview. Contextswitch should be clear too.
Thought about newsworthiness, but it is an elegant solution.
Now I only an option to mirror customized panels to all displays and I should be good to go an migrate to KDE
Join the KDE team as ux expert
Wow. Imagine where KDE will be in 5 years man
While upgrading from Plasma 5 to 6 a few weeks ago, I noticed that Kup, the backup scheduling tool in the systray, no longer works. Does anybody know if this has been fixed yet? By the way, I made a disk image immediately prior to upgrading and wound up doing a bare metal restore to Plasma 5, as Kup is absolutely essential to our business.
Have you searched the bug tracker? Posting an extremely off topic question on a random UA-cam video probably isn't going to get you the answer you're looking for
I don't use Kup or and have no affiliation with KDE, but have you checked the version of kup provided by your distro?
It seems like a similar issue (bug 482015) (maybe your issue?) was marked RESOLVED FIXED and referenced commit 9dc491cc7852112c3745056759c53a83574cc4ab (authored 2 mo ago) on kup's repository (hosted on KDE's gitlab instance).
It's totally possible that your distro hasn't packaged the fix or that your system is simply behind on that update.
If you need Kup urgently, your business might consider building Kup from the master source branch.
Good luck!
@@chriss3404 Thank you for the suggestion. I'll check the tracker.
I hope 6.1 will fix the widgets being broken in fedora, I install fedora direct and the weather widget crashes and volume panel shows nothing
I might be the odd one out, but zooming out that far means that I have a worse preview of what it looks like. I have some degree of OCD and the small misalignment eats away at me. I know I know, it's a "me" issue, but I dunno, I have mixed opinions on it
Per-monitor settings would be sweet too, especially for oled displays. The "Add widget" panel has massive padding for the internal 3 column elements. And that's a issue everywhre in plasma, making it look "amateurish"
Oh, dynamic tiling and Lua configs are finally added in Plasma?
Lua configs? For what?
I never understand desktop widgets. At work, I use 4 ultrawide monitors and I cant remember the last time I saw my desktop. At home, I am more likely to see my desktop, usually only partially and only for a few moments.
Where do you fit 4 of them??
@@BrodieRobertson his corporate cubicle is made out of ultrawide monitors. pretty cool
@@BrodieRobertson 2x2 configuration.
If the steam deck ever gets this change it would make it very hard to be use in handheld mode
How long should I wait before Plasma 6 is stable enough to to use? Bc I'm building a pc and want to move to Linux for gaming, I'm thinking about using something with KDE like Fedora or Nobora.
Kde will never be as stable as gnome for obvious reasons, but kde 6 is already pretty good for normal desktop use
The actual thing i noticed is that it is heavier on resources then gnome (not that much, but it can be noticed on older and slower laptopts), so i would recomend gnome for older computers.
If you have a decent computer, plasma is pretty good
It works great on my computer, but that doesn't mean much. You better off giving it a shot. Maybe it works well, maybe it doesn't.
@@lucolesco thx
@@lucolesco The one I’m building will work fine with plasma 6. My old desktop can’t upgrade to Win 11 and it’s to old for 1080p high settings, so I Have to get a new one and with the new Win 11 update I don’t feel comfortable with the security and more spying.
@@RLK02 If it doesn't work well, try out Gnome.
You are suggesting too much just for the point of it. Your initial suggestions were spot on and they have been addressed.
Things can always be further improved
@@BrodieRobertson It takes time, effort and interest to improve things, neither are endless.
Do you have a point or do you just like complaining?
@@benign4823 yeah my point is not to run down the good will of open source maintainers who are doing things out of their goodness of their hearts by tempering your requests to things that are actually meaningful.
@@CjqNslXUcM why do you decide what's meaningful for others?
I'm sure Plasma 6 will be a solid DE once they iron everything out. It's already great but it def needs more polish to be able to call it the Linux DE.
I agree with you and the new edit change is something that Plasma has needed for a long time. I always found it frustrating when it would exit out of the edit menu if the mouse moved to far from the menu.
I am looking forward to using it when it it moves into stable.
As long as there is a way to "cancel" I want a way to "cancel" my edit.
I have nvidia 3060 and I deleted my arch-plasma6 desktop a long time ago. The reason was that nvidia and plasma6+wayland worked terrible. It caused flickering when I opened Krita. Other problems were that when I tried to zoom in on a photo with koko, the screen would go black and come back. He doesn't know if these problems are fixed or not. I wonder if they are fixed? Let them fix those problems before edit mode.
Allegedly, the 555 Beta driver fixes most of the Nvidia+Wayland issues.
Not sure why kde have wallpaper, display settings and globals themes as part of the edit mode. These things are already in settings, I think edit mode should be just for widgets and panels.
Smart.
Awesome. The edit mode was really badly broken for years. Now we just need per display workspaces
omg you didnt actually switch to the horrendous Adwaita cursor?
Funny, I wanted to keep the Plasma5 cursor earlier, but now I think the Plasma 6 cursor is damn perfect.
Meanwhile, the totally ugly Windows-clone Adwaita cursor...
Nah, Cursors are the only good thing of adwaita.
I can agree it looks very similar to windows though
9:55 Now that Plasma 6 moved the appearance settings too far down in the settings panel, this is the easiest place to access them in one place. (also it makes more sense for them to be here than anywhere else)
Krunner.
I just use krunner to fastly access settings.
You should try it
(Alt+space, btw)
are you using KDE on arch?
Yes he is
still on plasma 5.27.5 bc bookwerm.
To be fair, whenever you are editing the panel, you probably don't really care about the desktop. When you go back to editing desktop you just close the panel edit menu and it grows back.
16TH DAY ASKING FOR A REVIEW OF:
- YAZI (FILE MANAGER>RANGER,VIFM,NNN,LF)
- WEZTERM (TERMINAL)
Have they improved their Gnome-like workspaces?
Year 2024. Major plasma 6 patch. Still can't resize the start panel using the mouse.
I am no one who is in those settings every day but when I am, I usually hate it for reasons that get fixed.
Plasma will be fixed this time - nice meme. Please more jokes like this.
bro speakin sign language at the fuckin speed of sound over here with the ok hands and the waving his hands around like a madman fr fr ong ngl af smh my head af.
This is a major improvement, but it does need a way to both reduce motion (not just motion but location displacement) and a way to accommodate small screens as mentioned.
Now we just need an overview for normal use so I can ditch Gnome.
Overview? Don't we already have meta+g and meta+w overviews? Those are like gnome.
Unless you meant an overview with all apps, which i don't think will be implemented in kde any time soon
@@no_name4796 Neither. The point of the overview in Gnome Shell is to make the desktop modal, separating launching, desktop management, etc. from what you are actually doing. For the record I have always found overview application switchers pointless without the extra functionality. What KDE has right now is the fluff without the tools.
I'll also say that the current Gnome team doesn't understand this workflow at all and seems to think it's just about looking like OSX. The move to horizonal desktops is proof as that wasn't a cosmetic design decision.
Why does panel edit need to be it's own mode?
Just have one more compact mode?
I don't like the zooming out in Android Launchers (and use Nova Launcher to avoid it) and I do not like zooming and especially shifting around in that new KDE, it should at least be optional. But then I currently use XFCE, because I want a proper so called deskbar (vertical toolbar, that allows multicolumn wrapping icons (something that only works in XFCE, I don't know why everyone else prefers bottom or top bars...it's just inefficient).
For me the current Plasma edit mode is ideal, it would have been better to solve the small problems, instead of redesigning everything and get some new unsolved problems on the way.
I guess the motivation for such redesigns are people that do not notice, that they are in edit mode and complain.
That's another issue that could be solved easily, e.g. by slightly tinting the whole desktop (e.g. reddish) and only keeping the color of the editing tools.
About those people, I once had a boss who would unconsciously open a dialog in the middle of the screen and just ignore it, constantly clicking everywhere around it while spitting out curses. We should not build everything for such people. At the end they will not use the powerful KDE anyways but turn over to silly Gnome (or probably Macs 🙂). Someone must maintain the power for the power users. There's a reason why Linus chose KDE, right?
To be honest:
- easy one-click switch between desktop and panel edit mode
- a "done button"
- bugfixes of the overlapping dialogs
Could have all worked perfectly without that stuff moving around.
This feels like overengineering. I dont see why the desktop would need to be zoomed around, it makes little sense.
Especially what you mentioned, the top edit bar being attached to the desktop makes no sense at all.
It looks nice though and I am fine with it.
If it didn't zoom out, and they allowed the widget window to stay open, it would not be easy to put any widget on the left side of the screen, because the left side of the screen would be covered by the widgets window.
The edit mode being bugged and lack of tiling made me switch to gnome, I don't think I'll ever go back to plasma.
now if only breeze looked good and less angular. Then plasma'd be usable