My 2023 Bolt is expected in 3 weeks, barring any rail strike. I live in So. AZ and have a large off-grid solar setup, however, I am on the grid. I'm now retired and only need this car to run errands. We live rurally and it is a 30-mile drive to most of what I need and I only drive maybe once or twice a week. So I bought it knowing I would only slow charge. If it takes me 3 days, not a problem. 100% powered by the sun lets me tolerate the Arizona sun more. It will be parked in a finished garage with heat pumps powered by solar.
Great video. Not a review of the brands but an evaluation of the different charge levels. It answered all of my questions and confirmed what I thought about charging.
Looks like you got more operational chargers than EA lol... im getting my 50 amp outlet hopefully soon, I drive over 100 miles a day with no public fast chargers in my area. I really enjoy the car we've had it 2 weeks now and have driven it 1800 miles so far. It's going to be super convenient having a 50 amp at home and it will eliminate my wife's range anxiety 😅
Cool video. Just note that for an 80% charge, the higher amp chargers will make a LARGER difference since going from 90-100 does not take advantage of higher charge rates so a 100% time hides that.
They are fully discontinued already. GM said so on Monday morning 4-24-23. We unfortunately have a 2020 and no recall fix or idea when it will happen in 2023. Cat Lady CEO is just talking about their " Plan " to do something in the future with EVs ....... I hope nobody gets into their EVs and gets ignored and passed over exactly like all of us others out there. IF you are in an accident ..... Your car will be totaled because there are no parts to fix it. The Equinox EV is a sham. They are only selling TOP TRIM LEVEL ones for the first year. That is IF you can get one in a year. The one thing Chevy are good at is NOT delivering EVs. If they made the order Non Refundable there would be less than a thousand. Also the Equinox they PLAN on making at the bottom level trims are far more expensive than a Bolt and will have over 50 miles less range and weaker motor. FACTS. If you don't spend over 40 thousand dollars you will be screwed and road trips won't be an option. Front wheel drive will make your tires last 10,000 to 20,000 miles from now on. You can't tow any weight with front wheel drive without a front motor and transmission to counter weight it. Tires will not grip in dry conditions.... Just spin. Chevy is ready for bankruptcy and deserves it fully. Stealerships will be the next to go with the Bolt and Bolt EUV. None of it will be missed at all.
Juice boxes also have the nice feature of being able to have 2 boxes on 1 breaker. The software will blend the voltage so 2 cars can charge at once with 2 juice boxes on 1 50 amp breaker
ive told a few people i work with they are interested in no more gas, entering week 3 an no more stopping at a gas station, i dont miss waiting in the costco gas lines,
My daughter just got her license and we showed her how to put gas in our Highlander that she gets to drive and she was like why would anyone want to do this, so much easier to plug in at home
Thanks for the info. My neighbor told me his son's can go from 10% to 100% on a 110 in one night. I told him BS, he said i was a fool and the new EVs charge fast. Lol thanks
It’s definitely possible, but only in the very smallest EV batteries, with the highest 110 rates. A 20 amp 110 could safel push 16 continuous amps. Some small cars only have 20-30 kWh batteries. But you are correct, he’s likely wrong. Maybe it’s a PHEV.
@@practicallyfrugal Totally, I am going to review it for my channel but you get the most for that price range. Example my dad got it for 22k cash. I put that much down on my Model Y and still had to take out a 45k dollar loan 😅😅😅😅 It's a great little car and I actually prefer a compact car for daily city driving and parking on the street.
@@thatevchick not sure where you are located as incentives change with location, but here in NY with all incentives I see a base bolt premier for about $22,700 OTD with incentives if being creative in the new year
I had to use the 120v for 5 weeks until Qmerit's electrician installed my 50 a plug. What a difference between the two. L2 is so much faster...my EUV Premier likes it fast.
I am retired,so I might go 2 or 3 days between needing my car,which is presently a 2011 Civic. Thinking of getting a Bolt,which would cover my needs,and still allow for the odd out of town trip.
And slow charting at 120V is less efficient by about 5%. It's actually costs more to slow charge the same amount than it does to use a level 2 charger. Best to use a L2 as much as possible and not rely on a L1 as a regular charger.
Great summation of the home charging options for an EV. You mentioned that you previously owned a Chevy Volt. Are you happy with the Bolt vs the Volt? I have a 2018 Volt and have been eyeing the Bolt EUV for some time.
I have overall been much happier with the EUV vs the volt. More room overall and is easier to get in and out. I took was a bit apprehensive at first in making the switch, but when I looked at my usage with being 85+% electric in the volt for my miles with only 53 miles of range I figured with 250 I should be fine. That and for our long road trips we would use the Highlander. My only regret was not buying out the volt given how prices skyrocketed, but that is hindsight
@@practicallyfrugal I have exactly the same sentiments regarding the Volt, I’m tall and it is difficult to get in and out of and as a you say, the Bolt has more room for both passengers and cargo. The Volt has been an excellent vehicle overall.
You'll experience a pleasant improvement in every regard. I traded my '15 Volt Base for a '22 Bolt EUV Premiere and gained everything and then some; gave up nothing. You're in for owning the best EV now on the market.
It will be on the agenda, I have the Rheem heat pump water heater that replaced a 40 gallon gas that I should do a video on, math on those is quite favorable to the point if you swap a resistance style water heater with one of these you will negate the additional electric use for 12k miles in the bolt
@@practicallyfrugal about 2 years ago we swapped out an old nat gas water heater for a heat pump/electric hybrid water heater. it works pretty well. but electric bill about 95 more at certain times of year than before. but nat gas bill isnt as high during heating season. water doesnt get as hot but still gets plenty hot. its a 50 gallon water heater.
@@mts982 that's seem rather high. Either you have a lot of hot water use or insanely high electric rates. We have the 65 gallon version and inlaws have the 50gallon version. Family of 4 and 2 respectfully. Both are using about 90kwh per month or about 1,100 kwh total. At national avg electric rates that is $165/yr. As similar size resistant water heater would use about 5,000kwh and cost about $750 per year. Inlaws went from 50 gallon on resistant to 50 gallon HP and their electric bill went down about $45/mo.
Thanks for the video. You should really use power and not amps when talking about chargers. The new Bolts will take 11.5 kW (240v x 48a). The Bolt has a 65kWh battery so if it's got 15% SOC then 65x 0.15 = 9.75 kWh left, 65- 9.75 = 55.25 kWh to bring to 100% SOC. Your 9.6kW charger (240v x 40a) will charge the battery in ~ 5hrs and 45 min. (55.25/9.6=5.755 hours.) Your small charger 1.44kW will charge the battery in ~ 38 hours and 20 minutes (55.25/1.44 = 38.37).
@@Billy.80 I disagree, amperage is only a portion of power (P=EI), 16A at 120V and 16A at 240V are two entirely different things. when we talk about outlet power we talk about the nominal power, for a 120V outlet that's 1800 watts (120V x15A). If your ACV is lower or higher than 120V that is a specific aspect of you home, not of the grid. If you look at EVSE specs they are relative to power. Clipper Creek's specs, for example rate their unit at 9600 watts, that's 40A at 240V. The important rating is the 9.6 kW. Amps are relative to panel fuses only, to get that 9.6kW you need 40 amps which is usually a 50 amp breaker for overhead. Saying 16 amps doesn't give any reference, is it 16A at 120V or 240V nominal? Entirely different things, that's why we refer to power. Look at appliances, what do most of them show? Something like "120V, 60Hz, 350 watts", that's from a small heater in my office I just looked at.
So does this mean that those of us who have their battery swapped due to the recall can now charge at 11.5kwh instead of the 6.6 or whatever we were initially limited to at level 2?
@@casstippit766 I don't believe so, that's the internal electronics that enables higher charging. Let's remember it's EVSE (electric vehicle service equipment), all the electronics to balance the battery and current limit it are in the car not the EVSE.
@@practicallyfrugal Yes I know but it be nice if I could adjust it in the car. My bmw i3 has a reduce setting but my bolt does not. Also, chargepoint removed the ability to adjust amps after install.
I recently tried to take advantage of my 500 dollar Qmert reward from chevy but when the bid came in at $5100 for a simple plug installation I canceled the install and went for $500 evgo even though the closed one is 130 miles from here.
Go Bills! If using 120v exclusively you won't need a 14-50 outlet. If you plan to install one I would not buy the cheapest one at HD/Lowe's, they will work, but not necessarily designed for the long term heavy load a charge can place on the outlet. In my setup the outlet I have is an outdoor rated RV one and was like $35, I wanted it over the regular outlet to protect the plug. A decent 14-50 outlet will be around $15+
I got a level 2 installed last week! To bad I haven't used it yet because my brand new pos bolt has been in the shop for over 2 weeks (almost as long as I have owned it) and Celebration chevy in Denver Colorado usually just puts me on never-ending hold when I call!
@@practicallyfrugal Thanks! The heater went up about a week after I got it. I wouldn't care much because of the wonderful heated seats and steering wheel but I can't defog my windows to see where I'm going and the car is brand new. Nice video btw 👌
Glad to hear it. In the 3 weeks I had it, I really did love that car. I just had a 50amp breaker put in and a chargepoint homeflex installed. I'm not sure how long it will take to charge with that set-up.
@@donnyh3497 most likely it is set for a 40 amp charge rate which is similar to the juicebox charger in the video in terms of speed. Which will be plenty fast unless you need to drive well more than 250-300miles daily. In my case I have since set both my chargers to 32 amps which is plenty fast, did it with the idea it might be lease wear on them?? But have nothing concrete to base that on.
Hi, enjoyed your video. I'm hoping someone can answer a couple of questions for me. I have had the Siemens 30A charger you showed for a couple of years to charge a KIA plug-in hybrid. I recently purchased a 2023 Chevy Bolt EV as a replacement. I have heard that it is better for battery life management to charge to less than 100%, but when I set the charge level to 90% on the Bolt I keep getting a fault indicator on the Siemens unit. This does not seem to be a problem if I allow to charge to 100%. My questions are if anyone else has noticed this issue and if I should just charge to 100% as a regular practice? Thank you!
Typically for most EV's 80-90% seems to be the recommended regular upper charge limit to maximize battery life. I set my mine to 80% except when I know I need the extra range, We do this on the Model Y as well that my wife recently acquired.
@@ronw4975 I never had any faults on it, I have had some on rare occasions when it's hot in the garage with the clipper creek, maybe 2 or 3 times in 5 years.
It is a Hubbell tool balancer, I bought mine one eBay and was like $35-$45 at the time, and appears they are out there for that price still. www.radwell.com/en-US/Buy/HUBBELL/HUBBELL/BD-05/?gclid=CjwKCAiAv9ucBhBXEiwA6N8nYC6Qyu11pmO51wNaIuKukeMPv0ybFxF-pif1859yKpFhI6lzOANogRoCM0AQAvD_BwE
I can't speak to Canada, but if similar to US it is a basic install of breaker, outlet, and a small amount of wire to connect them. They assume main panel is somewhat near the new outlet. Distance is not specified, but my guess within 20-30 feet.
@@practicallyfrugal ok. Thanks. Is the Chevy charger a little slower than other level 2 ones? I’ve heard they take 10 hours to charge a bolt. Vs 7 hours for other level 2 chargers? Either way, it’s free so it’s great!! Looking forward to getting my bolt EUV in 13 days :) Thanks!
You did a very good experiment , I had a KIA EV until I had a 12 Volt problem, but I did love this car . After watching your experiment , I have to question why companies selling EV's even bother to sell a car with 110 chargers , they are a waste of time and down grades Electric cars Useful ness . It's like selling an F 150 turbo with a 10 Gallon Tank . The dealer did try to up grade me to a Level two for 623 dollars . I went home and hit Amazon and purchased a Level two for less then 200.00 bucks . Prior to my EV purchase , I installed Solar Panels on my home , I asked for the Max, based on my previous two years usage , 150 % . After a couple months I watched my power generation and decided to get an EV . The Solar Panels worked well in charging the EV , and I was still running a slight surplus of energy. Recently I found out when the Solar company detected one solar panel safety device malfunctioning and came to correct it that I can modify my Solar inverter to directly charge my EV with a minor modification . This means the Solar energy goes directly to the EV instead of the Power Grid , I am not sure what the benefit is , but I assume if we had a Grid failure , I would still be able to charge my EV . Again great experiment !
At about 6:55 you use the term kilowatts which is power flow when I think you mean kilowatt-hours which is stored energy. People often confuse these terms.
Are the chargers waterproof? I have a garage but it’s used for storage so will always have to charge outside. If it’s raining and stuff plugged in is it ok? I’m sorry if that’s a dumb question!
The power standard for America is actually 120/240 volts and it’s been that way since 1967 but many still say 110/220 volts no big deal. Nice video but I need to wait a few more years to get a Bolt but I have just installed a solar array to the place so that will help the affordability of a EV.
I agree with the 120/240 piece just habit, will say though as the power on these ramps up I see my voltage drop to just above 230 especially at the higher amps. I also wish I had solar, but I have super cheap municipal rates at $0.05/kwh that makes it so the ROI is just not there. I have looked 3 times over the past 20 years and it has gotten much better, but still not quite there.
@@practicallyfrugal Wow that’s a great power rate indeed and I’m curious where your located? Here in rural NW Wisconsin we pay $0.13 per KWh, still not too bad compared to what some pay and it’s a cheap $13 a month to be on the grid through the utility compared to other local power companies charging $45-$50 a month to be on their lines so I went with a grid-tie system. The bummer up here for EVS is that it’s so cold here in the winter but as far as keeping a EV in the garage I want to insulate and heat it to 45 degrees, not real warm but better than at our sometimes below zero temps up here and it will help some when I go out in the cold with the EV. I heat my house exclusively with free firewood so if I use some LP for the garage no big deal!
I am perfectly happy with my 240Volt 20 Amp charger. I get about 100 Amps of charge at 3.7 KiloWatts. That equals about 100 miles a day available each session. So, If I drove 30 miles to work (retired) that would still leave me 40 available each day. NOW, I charge twice a week at most and I a good. As for trip charging, think about it: you stop for a fillup and stand there 5-10 minutes, go pee(wash hands), get a meal and snacks, so how is that highway gas stop any different than an EV Charging stop? You simply plug it in and walk away.
What is up with the fire and bursting into flames comments? Gasoline and hybrid vehicles have more fires than EV’s per 100,000 vehicles sold. Google it.
How much money did you spend to have all these chargers?????? Kind of a bit of overkill for doing home charging. I don't have that kind of extra money for charging. I do say though thanks for showing all these type of home charging stations.
The clipper Creek was $379 and received a 30% fed tax credit and 50%nys credit. Juice box was $629 and received 30% fed tax credit. Siemens versa charge was free thru my utility as part of a one year time of use charging study
So the Siemens was given to me FREE by the electric company and the GM supplied one came with the new car. I don't need or use 4 and will be selling one or more of them shortly. In practice the overhead one I use all winter long as it keeps the cord off the dirty/salty floor and the juicebox in the summertime as we don't/can't park in the garage do to summer kids stuff being out
@@stubs6575 they had a message out asking for volunteers with the only commitment being we used it for one year. This was thru our municipal power company Fairport electric
Wait , I did the math based on our lowest electric rates for Calif. is 29cents per kilowatt and Tier 2 and 3 are HIGHER yet. City driving in a Tesla would cost me about 2 cents MORE per mile than a used Prius LOL
In this video the first charger that is plugged in is to a 110v outlet and the charger is set to 12 amps. The rest of the chargers after that are all on 220v at different amperages
You do understand that they could put a faster charger in that car for pennies on the dollar. But like typical legacy automakers they're trying to find a way on how to overcharge you. Before electric vehicles they used horsepower to differentiate between the $20,000 car and a $40,000 car they can't do that because most electric vehicles are fast by nature so now they're going to use the charging speed to get more money out of you. Tesla does not do that say what you want about Tesla they don't rip you off. I am not saying that they will not turn into GM or Ford in 20 years but right now two model s's one model 3 and a model y later I can honestly say Tesla does things right. I know that their model 3 is expensive compared to this car but like I said to put a faster charger in there would be nice to even have it as an option for $500 or $800
You have a some great cars no doubt, but you have spent about $250k on these Tesla's over at most 10 years. which is about about 5 times what I have spent on my vehicles. And yes I completely get they could add such options. But at the same time Tesla could knock 20% off all of their vehicles and still be very profitable. Could even knock 30% and be at break even. So you as a buyer of the vehicle are paying that premium, and while I like Tesla and what they are doing I am choosing for now not to fund their company, at some point that may change as they will continue to be very successful
@@practicallyfrugal those cars are in a different tax bracket they compete against BMW and Mercedes. The reason why is because you can make them cheaply and sell them for more money it's called capitalism we all hate capitalism when it works against us. My point was something as small as adding a charger that can charge your vehicle faster if something even the cheapest car should have but like I mentioned before that's something they're going to use to make you pray more money
It's just really sad that we don't have the power that goes through European outlets with 220 volts. Then people really wouldn't have to rewire or add outlets at their house nowadays. 😢
As a licensed electrician that specializes in EVSE installations, Chevy needs to stop promoting the Dual Level charger as the optimal solution. Many installers, myself included, are no longer doing 14-50 receptacle installs. A $66 diy outlet install will not pass inspection and is potentially dangerous. Box store outlets that are used for dryers and ranges are not designed for the EVSE load and are overheating and melting. It needs a more expensive commercial grade receptacle. In most areas it also requires an expensive gfci breaker. Always insist on a hardwired unit. Cheaper install, safer, and higher amp output.
Overhead was the first one from the volt that I no longer have, the juicebox I added to have faster recharge time and to be able to charge outside the garage l, the Siemens was given to me for free by the utility company for a time of use study and the GM dual level charger came with this Bolt. I do plan to sell one of these shortly
Meanwhile, the anti-EV hysteria is gaining momentum in North America... Europe and China go electric like crazy... and I drive my beloved Bolt EV Premier for the 5th year in a row, giving a good-natured smile to those telling me why EVs don't work...
Yah the hate against EVs has picked up steam as of recent and part of it is the anti Elon narrative as he does not follow the narrative the elitists want him to follow.
@@practicallyfrugal Could be, but my guess is that the anti-EV hysteria is largely fueled by oil companies and auto repair and maintenance industry. (a) My former gas station owner must hate my guts for going electric - I stopped buying gas years ago. (b) So must my former mechanic - EVs are practically maintenance-free. All it takes to operate an EV is a checkup and wheel alignment once a year. (c) Which allows me to fly by garages and gas stations with a Mona Lisa smile on my face. FREEDOM!!!
Yup. These cars are only for people with garages. At least for now. Maybe in the future more street parking and whatnot will have charging. I mean. Every light post could theoretically have at least a 120 plug.
if you are on the highway doing road trips constantly agreed this is not the vehicle for you. If on the other hand you are driving 175 mile or less round trip, this is the perfect car as you take 3 seconds to plug it in when you get home and 3 to unplug it when you leave. Spending 5mins every week(or 4hrs 20mins/year) in all sorts of inclement weather pumping gas into a car that is costing at least $140/month($1,680/yr) in gas(assumes 12k/yr,25mpg. gas@$3.49/gal) does not sound like fun to me. Assuming the same factors this bolt will cost me about $230 in electricity for the entire year.
@@practicallyfrugal that was a great justification for plug in and wait. Drive, plug in and wait. Battery does faster in cold. Plug in and wait. Can't jump start it, you buy a new battery, some can't be towed. I'll keep my truck because I can convert it to natural gas.
44hrs LOL Gas in Calif. dropped to 3.80 already so if I get a Prius it will be like paying 1.90/gallon compared to my 20 years old 4-cyl. 2.0LITER stick car. A Prius will fill in like 3 minutes. BEV ??? No thanks.
Should of got a Tesla, no more range anxiety, What country are you in anyway? Here in the states the standard is 240/120. Put a volt meter in the outlet and tell me what you get. I guarantee it WON'T be 110. Do the Bolts sill come with a supply of marshmallows and hot dogs?
So yes I did misspeak the voltage is 120v on the standard household outlet. Tesla's do have more range for those longer road trips and more performance, BUT that comes at very large upfront price that it doesn't make sense financially for many. In my case I can certainly go buy a model Y today, but I don't need the performance, nor the extra 100miles of range for what is a car I drive locally/regionally without issue. The cost differential currently is $30k after taxes and with the deal I got $45k. I can go and get another car with the cost differential alone, but to each their own.
@@practicallyfrugal A Dec 20th recall came out for those Bolts for another fire warning. They use those sketchy bargain brand LG batteries. You have to get that thing out of your house or you risk burning your house down. That is just how it is when you buy GM EVs.
@@harrychu650 My 2023 Bolt has the new battery pack from the factory. The recall is for 2022 and earlier models. I added my car to the NHSTA recall list using my VIN number. No recalls as of now.
@@unclej3910 I won't take the chance. GM is spending more in advertising/branding then engineering for EVs and LG has a terrible reputation in the battery industry.
Stop the presses ! How much is Tesla supercharging per kWh? After several price increases throughout the last year, now many Supercharger stations are charging $0.50 per kWh SCAM so a Prius is like 48% cheaper when city driving EVEN IN CALIFORNIA ! I based this on COSTCO here @ 3.80 Other COSTOs in Calif. are down to 3.25
My 2023 Bolt is expected in 3 weeks, barring any rail strike. I live in So. AZ and have a large off-grid solar setup, however, I am on the grid. I'm now retired and only need this car to run errands. We live rurally and it is a 30-mile drive to most of what I need and I only drive maybe once or twice a week. So I bought it knowing I would only slow charge. If it takes me 3 days, not a problem. 100% powered by the sun lets me tolerate the Arizona sun more. It will be parked in a finished garage with heat pumps powered by solar.
Nice set up,
I work for the railroad as a locomotive engineer. I can assure you there will not be a rail strike.
@@LastMumzy I think they should have provided the sick time
@@practicallyfrugal Would have been nice 😞
@@LastMumzy union fist bump
Very interesting video/comparison. This guy has spent a ton on chargers. He lives at the “charger bar”. Nice!
Great video. Not a review of the brands but an evaluation of the different charge levels. It answered all of my questions and confirmed what I thought about charging.
Visually showing the different charging times is a whole lot better than just throwing numbers out there. Thanks for the video.
Thanks for this video. My new EUV will be arriving by the end of next week. I ordered the Emporia Level 2, 48 amp charger for it.
Enjoy the EUV and the new charger
@@practicallyfrugal Thank you 😊
Looks like you got more operational chargers than EA lol... im getting my 50 amp outlet hopefully soon, I drive over 100 miles a day with no public fast chargers in my area. I really enjoy the car we've had it 2 weeks now and have driven it 1800 miles so far. It's going to be super convenient having a 50 amp at home and it will eliminate my wife's range anxiety 😅
Your BOLT EUV with SuperCruise in red is really beautiful and your painted cement floor is super clean!
Thanks we had it epoxied last fall, wish we did it a long time ago
@@practicallyfrugal It’s awesome!
concrete floor is very clean
Impressive range of charging options in one residence, thanks for sharing.
Glad to share. Just sort of evolved over time
Helpful video for neophytes who will be adopting this technology.
Cool video.
Just note that for an 80% charge, the higher amp chargers will make a LARGER difference since going from 90-100 does not take advantage of higher charge rates so a 100% time hides that.
They are fully discontinued already. GM said so on Monday morning 4-24-23. We unfortunately have a 2020 and no recall fix or idea when it will happen in 2023. Cat Lady CEO is just talking about their " Plan " to do something in the future with EVs ....... I hope nobody gets into their EVs and gets ignored and passed over exactly like all of us others out there. IF you are in an accident ..... Your car will be totaled because there are no parts to fix it. The Equinox EV is a sham. They are only selling TOP TRIM LEVEL ones for the first year. That is IF you can get one in a year. The one thing Chevy are good at is NOT delivering EVs. If they made the order Non Refundable there would be less than a thousand. Also the Equinox they PLAN on making at the bottom level trims are far more expensive than a Bolt and will have over 50 miles less range and weaker motor. FACTS. If you don't spend over 40 thousand dollars you will be screwed and road trips won't be an option. Front wheel drive will make your tires last 10,000 to 20,000 miles from now on. You can't tow any weight with front wheel drive without a front motor and transmission to counter weight it. Tires will not grip in dry conditions.... Just spin. Chevy is ready for bankruptcy and deserves it fully. Stealerships will be the next to go with the Bolt and Bolt EUV. None of it will be missed at all.
Juice boxes also have the nice feature of being able to have 2 boxes on 1 breaker. The software will blend the voltage so 2 cars can charge at once with 2 juice boxes on 1 50 amp breaker
ive told a few people i work with they are interested in no more gas, entering week 3 an no more stopping at a gas station, i dont miss waiting in the costco gas lines,
My daughter just got her license and we showed her how to put gas in our Highlander that she gets to drive and she was like why would anyone want to do this, so much easier to plug in at home
I HATE gas stations.
Your overhead charger is a great idea!
Thanks for the info. My neighbor told me his son's can go from 10% to 100% on a 110 in one night. I told him BS, he said i was a fool and the new EVs charge fast. Lol thanks
It’s definitely possible, but only in the very smallest EV batteries, with the highest 110 rates. A 20 amp 110 could safel push 16 continuous amps. Some small cars only have 20-30 kWh batteries. But you are correct, he’s likely wrong. Maybe it’s a PHEV.
Thanks for the share. My parents just got this car and they love it .!
Glad they like it, I think it is the bargain of the century in the EV space
@@practicallyfrugal Totally, I am going to review it for my channel but you get the most for that price range. Example my dad got it for 22k cash. I put that much down on my Model Y and still had to take out a 45k dollar loan 😅😅😅😅 It's a great little car and I actually prefer a compact car for daily city driving and parking on the street.
@@thatevchick not sure where you are located as incentives change with location, but here in NY with all incentives I see a base bolt premier for about $22,700 OTD with incentives if being creative in the new year
@@practicallyfrugal That is pretty insane. Im in CA right now
The Bolt is a nice looking car.
I had to use the 120v for 5 weeks until Qmerit's electrician installed my 50 a plug. What a difference between the two. L2 is so much faster...my EUV Premier likes it fast.
Great video, lot of good information, a big help, thanks.
in China we use 220v for basic，max about 12-14kw.in some place we can use 380v for work，in that condition，max can be 40-60kw.
Thank you so much! I finally have actual idea!
For home 6 to 8 hour charge time is totally fine plug up overnight a couple days a week that’s all you need for weekly commutes
Wow! You have some chargers!
I am retired,so I might go 2 or 3 days between needing my car,which is presently a 2011 Civic. Thinking of getting a Bolt,which would cover my needs,and still allow for the odd out of town trip.
And slow charting at 120V is less efficient by about 5%. It's actually costs more to slow charge the same amount than it does to use a level 2 charger. Best to use a L2 as much as possible and not rely on a L1 as a regular charger.
Does that include when it slows down after 65 % charge
Nice explanation, thanks.
Great summation of the home charging options for an EV. You mentioned that you previously owned a Chevy Volt. Are you happy with the Bolt vs the Volt? I have a 2018 Volt and have been eyeing the Bolt EUV for some time.
I have overall been much happier with the EUV vs the volt. More room overall and is easier to get in and out. I took was a bit apprehensive at first in making the switch, but when I looked at my usage with being 85+% electric in the volt for my miles with only 53 miles of range I figured with 250 I should be fine. That and for our long road trips we would use the Highlander. My only regret was not buying out the volt given how prices skyrocketed, but that is hindsight
@@practicallyfrugal I have exactly the same sentiments regarding the Volt, I’m tall and it is difficult to get in and out of and as a you say, the Bolt has more room for both passengers and cargo. The Volt has been an excellent vehicle overall.
You'll experience a pleasant improvement in every regard. I traded my '15 Volt Base for a '22 Bolt EUV Premiere and gained everything and then some; gave up nothing. You're in for owning the best EV now on the market.
AS I only drive less the n 15 or 20 miles a day 120 volt charging is plenty to top off. But I did replace my 110 outlet with a heavy duty 20a outlet.
do a video on the heat pump and show if cools as well as a/c and power usage difference. and if heats as well if using for heating.
It will be on the agenda, I have the Rheem heat pump water heater that replaced a 40 gallon gas that I should do a video on, math on those is quite favorable to the point if you swap a resistance style water heater with one of these you will negate the additional electric use for 12k miles in the bolt
@@practicallyfrugal about 2 years ago we swapped out an old nat gas water heater for a heat pump/electric hybrid water heater. it works pretty well. but electric bill about 95 more at certain times of year than before. but nat gas bill isnt as high during heating season. water doesnt get as hot but still gets plenty hot. its a 50 gallon water heater.
@@mts982 that's seem rather high. Either you have a lot of hot water use or insanely high electric rates. We have the 65 gallon version and inlaws have the 50gallon version. Family of 4 and 2 respectfully. Both are using about 90kwh per month or about 1,100 kwh total. At national avg electric rates that is $165/yr. As similar size resistant water heater would use about 5,000kwh and cost about $750 per year. Inlaws went from 50 gallon on resistant to 50 gallon HP and their electric bill went down about $45/mo.
@@practicallyfrugal only thing i can think of is its out in garage, not inside, been very cold as of late. maybe we need to wrap it.
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Thanks for the video.
You should really use power and not amps when talking about chargers. The new Bolts will take 11.5 kW (240v x 48a). The Bolt has a 65kWh battery so if it's got 15% SOC then 65x 0.15 = 9.75 kWh left, 65- 9.75 = 55.25 kWh to bring to 100% SOC. Your 9.6kW charger (240v x 40a) will charge the battery in ~ 5hrs and 45 min. (55.25/9.6=5.755 hours.) Your small charger 1.44kW will charge the battery in ~ 38 hours and 20 minutes (55.25/1.44 = 38.37).
This is a good explanation. I'm illiterate when it comes to electrical terminology lol
@@Billy.80 I disagree, amperage is only a portion of power (P=EI), 16A at 120V and 16A at 240V are two entirely different things. when we talk about outlet power we talk about the nominal power, for a 120V outlet that's 1800 watts (120V x15A). If your ACV is lower or higher than 120V that is a specific aspect of you home, not of the grid. If you look at EVSE specs they are relative to power. Clipper Creek's specs, for example rate their unit at 9600 watts, that's 40A at 240V. The important rating is the 9.6 kW. Amps are relative to panel fuses only, to get that 9.6kW you need 40 amps which is usually a 50 amp breaker for overhead. Saying 16 amps doesn't give any reference, is it 16A at 120V or 240V nominal? Entirely different things, that's why we refer to power.
Look at appliances, what do most of them show? Something like "120V, 60Hz, 350 watts", that's from a small heater in my office I just looked at.
So does this mean that those of us who have their battery swapped due to the recall can now charge at 11.5kwh instead of the 6.6 or whatever we were initially limited to at level 2?
with all the melted outlets showing up on youtube, people should be paying more attention to amps.
@@casstippit766 I don't believe so, that's the internal electronics that enables higher charging. Let's remember it's EVSE (electric vehicle service equipment), all the electronics to balance the battery and current limit it are in the car not the EVSE.
It would be nice if the bolt would allow you to adjust amps to slow charge if desired.
You can down adjust some chargers. The juicebox can down adjust thru the app.
@@practicallyfrugal Yes I know but it be nice if I could adjust it in the car. My bmw i3 has a reduce setting but my bolt does not. Also, chargepoint removed the ability to adjust amps after install.
Correct the juicebox can, the Emporia I put in can as well as others like chargepoint
@@practicallyfrugal Chargepoint no longer lets you do it on demand.
I recently tried to take advantage of my 500 dollar Qmert reward from chevy but when the bid came in at $5100 for a simple plug installation I canceled the install and went for $500 evgo even though the closed one is 130 miles from here.
Yah that is a steep price supposedly you can reject quotes and ask for a different bid. Others have sold this evgo credits not quite at full value
How long is the charging cord that came with the Bolt?
22 feet from the tip of the charger handle to the box. Pigtails are about 8" long
Buffalo,NY here. I have a Prius prime and use 120v exclusively. What nema 14-50? Do you recommend?
Go Bills! If using 120v exclusively you won't need a 14-50 outlet. If you plan to install one I would not buy the cheapest one at HD/Lowe's, they will work, but not necessarily designed for the long term heavy load a charge can place on the outlet. In my setup the outlet I have is an outdoor rated RV one and was like $35, I wanted it over the regular outlet to protect the plug. A decent 14-50 outlet will be around $15+
Yeah, look for a commercial grade 14-50 plug. Most of the ones available in the big box stores aren't as robust as a commercial grade outlet.
I got a level 2 installed last week! To bad I haven't used it yet because my brand new pos bolt has been in the shop for over 2 weeks (almost as long as I have owned it) and Celebration chevy in Denver Colorado usually just puts me on never-ending hold when I call!
Sorry to hear it is in the shop, what is it in for?
@@practicallyfrugal Thanks! The heater went up about a week after I got it. I wouldn't care much because of the wonderful heated seats and steering wheel but I can't defog my windows to see where I'm going and the car is brand new. Nice video btw 👌
@@donnyh3497 thx, sorry to hear about the heater, that would be a problem. Knock on wood 17,500 miles no issues so far
Glad to hear it. In the 3 weeks I had it, I really did love that car. I just had a 50amp breaker put in and a chargepoint homeflex installed. I'm not sure how long it will take to charge with that set-up.
@@donnyh3497 most likely it is set for a 40 amp charge rate which is similar to the juicebox charger in the video in terms of speed. Which will be plenty fast unless you need to drive well more than 250-300miles daily. In my case I have since set both my chargers to 32 amps which is plenty fast, did it with the idea it might be lease wear on them?? But have nothing concrete to base that on.
Overnight charge 240 miles range a few days later in went up to 270 miles. 2018 Bolt.
What kind of range do these get in cold weather climates?
I get around 200 miles on a full charge in winter on my 2017 chevy bolt. I live in upstate ny
Grand Seiko SBGA375?
Hi, enjoyed your video. I'm hoping someone can answer a couple of questions for me. I have had the Siemens 30A charger you showed for a couple of years to charge a KIA plug-in hybrid. I recently purchased a 2023 Chevy Bolt EV as a replacement. I have heard that it is better for battery life management to charge to less than 100%, but when I set the charge level to 90% on the Bolt I keep getting a fault indicator on the Siemens unit. This does not seem to be a problem if I allow to charge to 100%. My questions are if anyone else has noticed this issue and if I should just charge to 100% as a regular practice? Thank you!
Typically for most EV's 80-90% seems to be the recommended regular upper charge limit to maximize battery life. I set my mine to 80% except when I know I need the extra range, We do this on the Model Y as well that my wife recently acquired.
@@practicallyfrugal Thank you! And have you ever observed faults on the Siemens charger when charging the Bolt to 80-90%?
@@ronw4975 I never had any faults on it, I have had some on rare occasions when it's hot in the garage with the clipper creek, maybe 2 or 3 times in 5 years.
I like your overhead charging set up. Where do you get the device from?
It is a Hubbell tool balancer, I bought mine one eBay and was like $35-$45 at the time, and appears they are out there for that price still. www.radwell.com/en-US/Buy/HUBBELL/HUBBELL/BD-05/?gclid=CjwKCAiAv9ucBhBXEiwA6N8nYC6Qyu11pmO51wNaIuKukeMPv0ybFxF-pif1859yKpFhI6lzOANogRoCM0AQAvD_BwE
When GM says they’ll pay $1500 (in Canada) towards a charger. What will they provide?
I can't speak to Canada, but if similar to US it is a basic install of breaker, outlet, and a small amount of wire to connect them. They assume main panel is somewhat near the new outlet. Distance is not specified, but my guess within 20-30 feet.
@@practicallyfrugal ok. Thanks. Is the Chevy charger a little slower than other level 2 ones? I’ve heard they take 10 hours to charge a bolt. Vs 7 hours for other level 2 chargers?
Either way, it’s free so it’s great!! Looking forward to getting my bolt EUV in 13 days :)
Thanks!
@@andrewandron7087 Chevy charger is good for 32 amps, but the bolt can accept a charge from a 48 charger. Hence the difference in speed
@@practicallyfrugal ok thanks
You did a very good experiment , I had a KIA EV until I had a 12 Volt problem, but I did love this car . After watching your experiment , I have to question why companies selling EV's even bother to sell a car with 110 chargers , they are a waste of time and down grades Electric cars Useful ness . It's like selling an F 150 turbo with a 10 Gallon Tank . The dealer did try to up grade me to a Level two for 623 dollars . I went home and hit Amazon and purchased a Level two for less then 200.00 bucks .
Prior to my EV purchase , I installed Solar Panels on my home , I asked for the Max, based on my previous two years usage , 150 % . After a couple months I watched my power generation and decided to get an EV . The Solar Panels worked well in charging the EV , and I was still running a slight surplus of energy. Recently I found out when the Solar company detected one solar panel safety device malfunctioning and came to correct it that I can modify my Solar inverter to directly charge my EV with a minor modification . This means the Solar energy goes directly to the EV instead of the Power Grid , I am not sure what the benefit is , but I assume if we had a Grid failure , I would still be able to charge my EV . Again great experiment !
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Nice video. That's a lot of chargers lol.
One was free, one came with the car, and the other two had tax credits on them, good thing the father in law is a retired electrician
At about 6:55 you use the term kilowatts which is power flow when I think you mean kilowatt-hours which is stored energy. People often confuse these terms.
Are the chargers waterproof? I have a garage but it’s used for storage so will always have to charge outside. If it’s raining and stuff plugged in is it ok? I’m sorry if that’s a dumb question!
Yes the EVSE is waterproof, if installing outside many places require it to be hardwired vs plugged in
what amperage is your electrical panel?
Main panel on the house is 150amps
How many Kw is your car charging at when using the different chargers?
On the dash it shows 11kw with the 48 amp, 9kw with 40 amp, 7kw with 32 amps, 6kw with 30 amp, 3kw with 16 amp, and 1kw with 12 amp 120v
The power standard for America is actually 120/240 volts and it’s been that way since 1967 but many still say 110/220 volts no big deal. Nice video but I need to wait a few more years to get a Bolt but I have just installed a solar array to the place so that will help the affordability of a EV.
I agree with the 120/240 piece just habit, will say though as the power on these ramps up I see my voltage drop to just above 230 especially at the higher amps. I also wish I had solar, but I have super cheap municipal rates at $0.05/kwh that makes it so the ROI is just not there. I have looked 3 times over the past 20 years and it has gotten much better, but still not quite there.
@@practicallyfrugal Wow that’s a great power rate indeed and I’m curious where your located? Here in rural NW Wisconsin we pay $0.13 per KWh, still not too bad compared to what some pay and it’s a cheap $13 a month to be on the grid through the utility compared to other local power companies charging $45-$50 a month to be on their lines so I went with a grid-tie system. The bummer up here for EVS is that it’s so cold here in the winter but as far as keeping a EV in the garage I want to insulate and heat it to 45 degrees, not real warm but better than at our sometimes below zero temps up here and it will help some when I go out in the cold with the EV. I heat my house exclusively with free firewood so if I use some LP for the garage no big deal!
@@hermancm located in a suburb of Rochester NY, power comes from Niagara Falls
I am perfectly happy with my 240Volt 20 Amp charger. I get about 100 Amps of charge at 3.7 KiloWatts. That equals about 100 miles a day available each session. So, If I drove 30 miles to work (retired) that would still leave me 40 available each day. NOW, I charge twice a week at most and I a good. As for trip charging, think about it: you stop for a fillup and stand there 5-10 minutes, go pee(wash hands), get a meal and snacks, so how is that highway gas stop any different than an EV Charging stop? You simply plug it in and walk away.
What is up with the fire and bursting into flames comments? Gasoline and hybrid vehicles have more fires than EV’s per 100,000 vehicles sold. Google it.
You are correct
Great info but you keep refering to your 120v wall outlet as 110v. The US has been off 110v since the 1930s.
I hear ya, some "experts" just "myna bird" what they "think" they heard out on the street. Probably does not even own a VOM.
Sweet
How much money did you spend to have all these chargers?????? Kind of a bit of overkill for doing home charging. I don't have that kind of extra money for charging.
I do say though thanks for showing all these type of home charging stations.
The clipper Creek was $379 and received a 30% fed tax credit and 50%nys credit. Juice box was $629 and received 30% fed tax credit. Siemens versa charge was free thru my utility as part of a one year time of use charging study
@@practicallyfrugal Ah, Thanks for all your information. Happy Holidays to you.
Why would anyone have four different chargers in their garage? They are not cheap and one Level 2 charger usually does it.
So the Siemens was given to me FREE by the electric company and the GM supplied one came with the new car. I don't need or use 4 and will be selling one or more of them shortly. In practice the overhead one I use all winter long as it keeps the cord off the dirty/salty floor and the juicebox in the summertime as we don't/can't park in the garage do to summer kids stuff being out
@@practicallyfrugal Got it. I only use one (made it overhead just like you did) and it's all I need.
@Practicallyfrugal How did you get the Siemens charger for free from power company? Do you have National Grid?
@@stubs6575 they had a message out asking for volunteers with the only commitment being we used it for one year. This was thru our municipal power company Fairport electric
Wait , I did the math based on our lowest electric rates for Calif. is 29cents per kilowatt and Tier 2 and 3 are HIGHER yet. City driving in a Tesla would cost me about 2 cents MORE per mile than a used Prius LOL
That’s comparing one of the nicer EVs to the cheapest of cars. You should compare to the BoLT. Costs me 5 bucks to fill it at home.
are you using 110v connection or 220 v connection.I do not see you mention about it.
In this video the first charger that is plugged in is to a 110v outlet and the charger is set to 12 amps. The rest of the chargers after that are all on 220v at different amperages
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You do understand that they could put a faster charger in that car for pennies on the dollar. But like typical legacy automakers they're trying to find a way on how to overcharge you. Before electric vehicles they used horsepower to differentiate between the $20,000 car and a $40,000 car they can't do that because most electric vehicles are fast by nature so now they're going to use the charging speed to get more money out of you. Tesla does not do that say what you want about Tesla they don't rip you off. I am not saying that they will not turn into GM or Ford in 20 years but right now two model s's one model 3 and a model y later I can honestly say Tesla does things right. I know that their model 3 is expensive compared to this car but like I said to put a faster charger in there would be nice to even have it as an option for $500 or $800
You have a some great cars no doubt, but you have spent about $250k on these Tesla's over at most 10 years. which is about about 5 times what I have spent on my vehicles. And yes I completely get they could add such options. But at the same time Tesla could knock 20% off all of their vehicles and still be very profitable. Could even knock 30% and be at break even. So you as a buyer of the vehicle are paying that premium, and while I like Tesla and what they are doing I am choosing for now not to fund their company, at some point that may change as they will continue to be very successful
@@practicallyfrugal those cars are in a different tax bracket they compete against BMW and Mercedes. The reason why is because you can make them cheaply and sell them for more money it's called capitalism we all hate capitalism when it works against us. My point was something as small as adding a charger that can charge your vehicle faster if something even the cheapest car should have but like I mentioned before that's something they're going to use to make you pray more money
If you plan on keeping the vehicle for long time like i do, Slow charge at home with 120 volt. Your batteries will last longer.
I do keep the rate at 32 amps vs the 48A that it will accept on 240v Been driving it more and more and I would not be able make 120v work
It's just really sad that we don't have the power that goes through European outlets with 220 volts. Then people really wouldn't have to rewire or add outlets at their house nowadays. 😢
240 at 32 amps ~ 8.25 hours.. i bought the Enphase hcs-40 it says 7.7kw.. ,, i drive slow to save energy, if i speed it eats the battery...
i bought it as a commuter car cause i work 6 days a week an gas is hella high right now ,,
As a licensed electrician that specializes in EVSE installations, Chevy needs to stop promoting the Dual Level charger as the optimal solution. Many installers, myself included, are no longer doing 14-50 receptacle installs. A $66 diy outlet install will not pass inspection and is potentially dangerous. Box store outlets that are used for dryers and ranges are not designed for the EVSE load and are overheating and melting. It needs a more expensive commercial grade receptacle. In most areas it also requires an expensive gfci breaker. Always insist on a hardwired unit. Cheaper install, safer, and higher amp output.
Why do you have so many chargers?
Overhead was the first one from the volt that I no longer have, the juicebox I added to have faster recharge time and to be able to charge outside the garage l, the Siemens was given to me for free by the utility company for a time of use study and the GM dual level charger came with this Bolt. I do plan to sell one of these shortly
Meanwhile, the anti-EV hysteria is gaining momentum in North America... Europe and China go electric like crazy... and I drive my beloved Bolt EV Premier for the 5th year in a row, giving a good-natured smile to those telling me why EVs don't work...
Yah the hate against EVs has picked up steam as of recent and part of it is the anti Elon narrative as he does not follow the narrative the elitists want him to follow.
@@practicallyfrugal Could be, but my guess is that the anti-EV hysteria is largely fueled by oil companies and auto repair and maintenance industry.
(a) My former gas station owner must hate my guts for going electric - I stopped buying gas years ago.
(b) So must my former mechanic - EVs are practically maintenance-free. All it takes to operate an EV is a checkup and wheel alignment once a year.
(c) Which allows me to fly by garages and gas stations with a Mona Lisa smile on my face. FREEDOM!!!
Not everyone has garages to safely plug in our cars.
Yup. These cars are only for people with garages. At least for now. Maybe in the future more street parking and whatnot will have charging. I mean. Every light post could theoretically have at least a 120 plug.
Okay.
Outdoor installs are easy enough. The plugs are waterproof and most of the chargers are as well.
4:18 -_-' such a bad name.... siemens LUL
Wow that whole thing sucks.
Plug in and wait, drive, plug in and wait.
Take a trip, plug in and wait
How do you jump start an EV?
if you are on the highway doing road trips constantly agreed this is not the vehicle for you. If on the other hand you are driving 175 mile or less round trip, this is the perfect car as you take 3 seconds to plug it in when you get home and 3 to unplug it when you leave. Spending 5mins every week(or 4hrs 20mins/year) in all sorts of inclement weather pumping gas into a car that is costing at least $140/month($1,680/yr) in gas(assumes 12k/yr,25mpg. gas@$3.49/gal) does not sound like fun to me. Assuming the same factors this bolt will cost me about $230 in electricity for the entire year.
@@practicallyfrugal that was a great justification for plug in and wait.
Drive, plug in and wait. Battery does faster in cold. Plug in and wait.
Can't jump start it, you buy a new battery, some can't be towed.
I'll keep my truck because I can convert it to natural gas.
Remember the picture of a tesla 11:54 with the gas generator in the cargo basket on back with extra gas cans 😂
Worst charging of almost all EVs
DCFC is one of the slowest for sure, but for home charging it is as good or better than most with 11.1kw capability
44hrs LOL Gas in Calif. dropped to 3.80 already so if I get a Prius it will be like paying 1.90/gallon compared to my 20 years old 4-cyl. 2.0LITER stick car. A Prius will fill in like 3 minutes. BEV ??? No thanks.
Should of got a Tesla, no more range anxiety, What country are you in anyway? Here in the states the standard is 240/120. Put a volt meter in the outlet and tell me what you get. I guarantee it WON'T be 110. Do the Bolts sill come with a supply of marshmallows and hot dogs?
You might live in the states, but I don’t believe English is your first language. Your writing is a little rough.
So yes I did misspeak the voltage is 120v on the standard household outlet. Tesla's do have more range for those longer road trips and more performance, BUT that comes at very large upfront price that it doesn't make sense financially for many. In my case I can certainly go buy a model Y today, but I don't need the performance, nor the extra 100miles of range for what is a car I drive locally/regionally without issue. The cost differential currently is $30k after taxes and with the deal I got $45k. I can go and get another car with the cost differential alone, but to each their own.
Ya because no Tesla has ever burst into flames. Oh wait….
i’d look into the tesla wall with the j1772 plug. best value for a 48 amp.
He must’ve had posters remorse cause I don’t see his rude little post any more. 🤷🏻♂️
For heaven sake, you are not supposed to park those bolts indoors. They can explode into flames.
That was the restriction on bolts that had not had its battery limited to 80% or replaced. This is a 2023 with a non recalled battery
@@practicallyfrugal A Dec 20th recall came out for those Bolts for another fire warning. They use those sketchy bargain brand LG batteries.
You have to get that thing out of your house or you risk burning your house down. That is just how it is when you buy GM EVs.
@@harrychu650 My 2023 Bolt has the new battery pack from the factory. The recall is for 2022 and earlier models. I added my car to the NHSTA recall list using my VIN number. No recalls as of now.
@@unclej3910 I won't take the chance. GM is spending more in advertising/branding then engineering for EVs and LG has a terrible reputation in the battery industry.
Stop the presses ! How much is Tesla supercharging per kWh?
After several price increases throughout the last year, now many Supercharger stations are charging $0.50 per kWh SCAM so a Prius is like 48% cheaper when city driving EVEN IN CALIFORNIA !
I based this on COSTCO here @ 3.80 Other COSTOs in Calif. are down to 3.25