Jokic is NOT a good defender. But the idea that he is the only one way player who gets put in these talks and his defensive flaws get glossed over is untrue. steph gets that same treatment,so does magic. the only two other offense only top 10 candidates get that same treatment. now im not saying its apples to apples for a myriad of reasons but the point is jokic isnt the only one whos flaws on one side get glossed over by the people defending him,and i dont even think its wrong at the end of the day 'one way players' can be and are more impactful than 'two way players' all the time.
Jokic might not be the only player who's deficient side of the ball gets picked on/ignored. Jokic however IS the only player that they say has such good offense it counts as defense. L Glaze
bro they only do this with magic and acts like he’s a 2way player putting him top 4 and stuff people always bring up curry defense and says thts why he’s borderline top 10
This is gonna be long so there's no shot I get comment of the week, but let's do it anyway🤷🏽 The issue with Chill's logic is he tells us that you could be a better player, but if someone else is ultimately doing more for their team than you are, and their team is winning, then they're more valuable than you. But, Chill also understands the idea of having a better roster built around you or even having another great player next to you that would contribute heavily to those wins as well, which is the same reason why he used Dame against Giannis' MVP case. If that is how Chill views it, then why does he argue against Russ getting the MVP in 17? By his own logic, he cannot tell us KD deserved the MVP over Russ, and the reason he cannot tell us that is because he is the same person that thinks AI deserved the MVP over Shaq. Chill out of his own mouth said that when Shaq and him argued over it he told him word for word, "if we take you off the Lakers, they still have Kobe, but take AI off Philly and they're at the bottom of the league". That same argument can be made for Russ. Take KD off GSW and they still have Steph, take Russ off OKC and they're the worst team in the league, but he refuses to agree with or even acknowledge Russ' MVP case and has said multiple times that he doesn't think Russ deserved it, that doesn't make sense.
2:50:18 I love Chill but you can tell he hates to admit when he’s wrong. He was forced in a corner to admit Jokić has no weakness offensively then he circles back and says he does 😭😭😭😭
Nah that's false. At worst he's just as bad as everyone else to admit that he's wrong, noone admits that they are wrong in a middle of a heated debate. At best he's way better than anyone to admit that he's wrong and has done so countless times.
Unfortunate timing Ron 🤣🤣🤣I wake up this morning to see Klay looking like 2019 Klay yes it's Washington but you couldn't have written it better Ron writing the Mavs obituaries
Ive heard this logic in 2021 when lakers were falling off from injury saying ‘they are still dangerous’ in reality they couldnt hold on bcuz of injury. And no championship team had this long stretch of injured players during regular season
1:18:35 is the highlight of my life yall. To have my comment highlighted on an episode literally had me thinking I lost my mind. Caught me wayyyyy off guard. Yall don’t know how religiously I watch yall show. My goal is to possibly be on it one day. And after seeing folks reactions maybe the term guru was too far. Lol sorry Ox. How bout savants… yeahhhh savants. And to me yall ALL savants in yall own right. Even you Ox. W Ron W Panel and L SWIPA and Pen until yall get a show like the odd couple. I just wanna watch yall agree on Nuggets basketball but somehow end up arguing anyway 😂😂😂
why is magic in the front of everyone top 10 with the 2way players? they act like he is so far and ahead of guys like curry bird and jokic I don’t get it he belongs with all the 1-way players
Swipa and Pen are Uber defensive of Jokic lol to the point where they act like they can’t say a single critical thing about him ever. But bring up another great player such as Giannis and they can point out every nit-picky negative thing about him any time somebody says something good about him. It’s okay guys Giannis doesn’t threaten Jokic’s spot in history.. you can at least try to be even across the board.
Also Funny how joker fanatics will bring up advanced team stats and say how great the nuggets offense is and give him all the credit but if a player was the best player on multiple championship teams it’s just a team Accomplishment the Hypocrisy is laughable but that’s what u get the fanatics of men
@@rashonduswashington pen uses bpm as a raw impact measurement which is weird as its box score reliant therefore worse box score players will have a worse bpm. It’s essentially box score watching at times and it’s definetly not good for capturing defensive value. Take bpm with a grain of salt unless backed by other information
@@pensarebasketball i agree with you and I know you understand analytics enough to just use bpm. But sometimes you do just state raw bpm without letting the audience know the ins and outs of the stat that’s all. Sometimes it feels like your using it as a raw impact measurement
20:45 Now that's just straight untrue lmao. Vando is like one of the best defenders on Luka in the league lol Why do people always make us either way more or way less than what we are? All of a sudden Vando and DFS can't guard like that...all of a sudden AD isn't an elite defender...all of a sudden Max Christie isn't a really good poa defender and screen navigator, like...?? That matchup is nowhere near some cake walk for Dallas 💀
@@jdc6354last season the very first matchup lakers beat them 127-110 Lakers next two matchups they lost in one possession games granted mavs does have a different team now so do the Lakers kinda
These rate stats are attempting to balance the bias inherently present in regular counting stats. A pass that leads to a contested 2 and a pass that leads to an open dunk are both assists. Contested and uncontested rebounds both count as 1 rebound. So saying that, not all rebounds and assists are created equal. All the analytics do is differentiate between quality of blocks, steals, passes etc. Playmaking and shooting from your center spot stresses the defense more than getting those things from the wing. Players like Jokić, Jordan, Magic LeBron are great precisely because they impact winning in the details. Because Jordan creates more openings, Steph creates more openings. Jordan Poole and Michael Jordan can both average 30. The difference will be in the value of those 30. LeBron said it. "2 points isn't always 2 points"
@ if joker didn’t have a good box plus minus it wouldn’t even be mentioned nobody is using tht shit in real debates we have regular stats to prove tht no real basketball head is going to a box plus minus to determine who’s better just a stat to boost players like joker and shai to throw them all time convos 👎🏽👎🏽
I personally like to think I'm pretty fair with my all-time rankings (obviously its my list), and I respect what Jokic has accomplished in the past 5 seasons. With that being said, you gotta be sniffing booger sugar to think Jok is already top 10 all-time. He isn't even in the top 15. MAYBE there's a case for him being top 20, and since longevity is a factor I account for he might not be top 20. YET! He's moving up the ranks tho. His peak is extremely impressive and offensively there aren't 5 players better than him.
Swipa lying on the Lakers is hilarious. Lakers have more defenders than DAL(DFS,Max C,Vando,AD,Gabe Vincent, and Cam Reddish- when he gets mins) DAL literally have Naji Marshall
@@448DamonXX there’s ways to integrate non shooters into an offense. He can stampede the off the catch, get him in transition, surround him with shooters, put the ball in his hands in short roll actions. There’s plenty of ways for JJ to incorporate Vando in the offense and he’s actually talked about since he got the job.
I agree everyone always talks about how skilled and great kyrie is but he doesnt get held to the same standards as other pgs he never led a team as the best player EVERRR
Magic was used as a defensive Swiss Army knife from 1980-84. He was a good defender for a long time and only became bad after 1986. Slowkic has always been horrible on defense meanwhile Bron, Magic, MJ, Shaq and Steph are all better offensive players
No he wasnt he was too slow footed to guard on the perimeter and wasnt explosive enough to protect the paint at a good level, his wingspan gave him value for steals and deflection but overall was a bad defender
@@yetundeadeyemi2436literally not true. You can watch the playoffs and see that he was a key to their team defense. Defensive play calling is critical. The commentators talked about his team defense all the time
he was used as a free safety in his young years (i acc think he was a positive on defense in his early years) but when he peaked as an overall player he was a very clear negative on D
@@MarzTalksSports how can you have Jokic over Magic then if Magic provided far more career value on both ends of the ball even if the defense didn’t translate into his peak????
@ and then what. That bench is gonna be trash and we still need defense. We’re already getting beat on the offensive rebounds and second chance points. What we need is a backup big and a good wing defender
@ I hear you! But we have GTJ, AJ Green to put up points. We can finally add Rollins to the roster and play Tyler Smith til we sign a big from the buyout market.
@@ninoboom2453 so, who’s the backup big. Because if you’re getting rid of the best sixth men on the team. Who’s the backup big. If you get a real backup for Brook, Bobby can flourish at his original position.
Do I under value joker? he’s is not the best offense player ever 😭😭 kibe Jordan bron and harden same logic for wilt give all them in prime same amount of possessions and pace
Jokic is literally one of the greatest players ever lol . What’s wrong with that ? He don’t have pippen he don’t have Rodman . Can we start recognizing talent and stop being choosey to who had great teams lol
Jewell Loyd better not pull up to Vegas shooting 25% from 3 again. I'm tryna watch some dynastic hoops. She bigger than Kelsey though and they need that cause Kelsey be looking like a lil girl out there tryna be the p.o.a
Stop it swipa max for kyrie he litterally do good against smaller gaurds as we that we seen this year and Vanderbilt and dfs are good wing defender on Luka and let him get his if kyrie don’t get his number and I think max could do a good job on him we winning this series and laker will be switch reddick litterally play a switch everything defense so those corner 3 not going to be open and kyrie and Luka would fall in that 1 on 1 trap and ad and bron is to big for everyone on the mavs at their positions this go 7 games and nuggets give up problems because jokic and movement offense and their just two big but no other team in the west have that size but the laker always due good against isolations teams and pnr teams with lob catch big team the laker don’t want to see Denver that it everyone else they can beat
The Lakers perimeter defense has been poor throughout the season yes vando and DFS will help but a healthy Luka can dissect that defense especially with liabilities on the floor such as rui, reeves and LeBron on the floor who will get heavy minutes they were getting torched on the perimeter, the Lakers offball defense is even worse as vando isn't that good off the ball and Kyrie as one of he best offball scorers in the league
@ and ad a switchable big and vando is elite off the ball I don’t think you know to lock up curry and Klay you got to be good off ball defender and he a good rim protector and good in the passing lane I think you don’t watch vando
The fact that I can accurately assume which side Chill, Ox and Ron are gonna be on with every topic b4 it starts 😭💔
W consistency
@@pensarebasketballnah w predictability it isn’t honest hoops talk just a pathetic gimmick show like wrestling scripted ass shit
@@jessicagalvan3358 Dang Jessy who hurt you lol
@@jessicagalvan3358yet how many ppl show up too wwe arenas it’s called entertainment lol then you keep it pushin
@@PlayersChoiceShow y’all did lol
Jokic doesn’t play enough defense but magic can be in all of their casual *top 5* 🔥
W 5 rings bias
Magic is a couple tiers over Jokic on the defensive end
@@BIGOXMediayou just be saying stupid shit
@@BIGOXMediayeah ox imma have to heavily disagree with you there.
@@projyel8534 how you know?
Gonna pray for chill tonight 🙏🏽 he seems to be processing things and understanding slower, sometimes never understanding 😢
I swear Ox comedic timing is being overlooked amongst y'all 😂
I be trying to tell folks! 10 out of 10!
Wayyy funnier than Mase for sure
Jokic is NOT a good defender. But the idea that he is the only one way player who gets put in these talks and his defensive flaws get glossed over is untrue. steph gets that same treatment,so does magic. the only two other offense only top 10 candidates get that same treatment. now im not saying its apples to apples for a myriad of reasons but the point is jokic isnt the only one whos flaws on one side get glossed over by the people defending him,and i dont even think its wrong at the end of the day 'one way players' can be and are more impactful than 'two way players' all the time.
Jokic might not be the only player who's deficient side of the ball gets picked on/ignored. Jokic however IS the only player that they say has such good offense it counts as defense. L Glaze
bringing this up to push more magic hate is sad
bro they only do this with magic and acts like he’s a 2way player putting him top 4 and stuff people always bring up curry defense and says thts why he’s borderline top 10
@@itszaaaamzehIve heard steph currys offense is his defense way too many times
@@phreshboyswag_huh
I see why Ron is the host🤣, he’s worse than chill and ox
Bro said jokic weakness is that he can’t get poster dunks 🤣🤣🤣
@@huncho5554 😂😂😂
@@huncho5554😭😭😭
It’s funny that early in this exact episode rebounding was apart of defense with Zubac but now with Jokic it’s not.
This is gonna be long so there's no shot I get comment of the week, but let's do it anyway🤷🏽
The issue with Chill's logic is he tells us that you could be a better player, but if someone else is ultimately doing more for their team than you are, and their team is winning, then they're more valuable than you. But, Chill also understands the idea of having a better roster built around you or even having another great player next to you that would contribute heavily to those wins as well, which is the same reason why he used Dame against Giannis' MVP case.
If that is how Chill views it, then why does he argue against Russ getting the MVP in 17? By his own logic, he cannot tell us KD deserved the MVP over Russ, and the reason he cannot tell us that is because he is the same person that thinks AI deserved the MVP over Shaq.
Chill out of his own mouth said that when Shaq and him argued over it he told him word for word, "if we take you off the Lakers, they still have Kobe, but take AI off Philly and they're at the bottom of the league". That same argument can be made for Russ. Take KD off GSW and they still have Steph, take Russ off OKC and they're the worst team in the league, but he refuses to agree with or even acknowledge Russ' MVP case and has said multiple times that he doesn't think Russ deserved it, that doesn't make sense.
Maaaannnnn! I got you big dog!
2:50:18 I love Chill but you can tell he hates to admit when he’s wrong. He was forced in a corner to admit Jokić has no weakness offensively then he circles back and says he does 😭😭😭😭
Nah that's false. At worst he's just as bad as everyone else to admit that he's wrong, noone admits that they are wrong in a middle of a heated debate. At best he's way better than anyone to admit that he's wrong and has done so countless times.
Unfortunate timing Ron 🤣🤣🤣I wake up this morning to see Klay looking like 2019 Klay yes it's Washington but you couldn't have written it better Ron writing the Mavs obituaries
Dallas isnt in trouble they are fine. They are a dangerous team when healthy. I’ve seen more belief in the lakers than the mavs
Ive heard this logic in 2021 when lakers were falling off from injury saying ‘they are still dangerous’ in reality they couldnt hold on bcuz of injury. And no championship team had this long stretch of injured players during regular season
1:18:35 is the highlight of my life yall. To have my comment highlighted on an episode literally had me thinking I lost my mind. Caught me wayyyyy off guard. Yall don’t know how religiously I watch yall show. My goal is to possibly be on it one day.
And after seeing folks reactions maybe the term guru was too far. Lol sorry Ox. How bout savants… yeahhhh savants. And to me yall ALL savants in yall own right. Even you Ox. W Ron W Panel and L SWIPA and Pen until yall get a show like the odd couple. I just wanna watch yall agree on Nuggets basketball but somehow end up arguing anyway 😂😂😂
Welcome to Harden FC Ox 💪🏾💪🏾💪🏾
I’m not really sure how I got back here.. I haven’t been here since 2013
why is magic in the front of everyone top 10 with the 2way players? they act like he is so far and ahead of guys like curry bird and jokic I don’t get it he belongs with all the 1-way players
Cos he really good offensively
@ I jus cant agree man they all in the same tier for me
@@MarzTalksSportsjs like everyone in the top 10
Because old guys are inconsistent and biased.
@@448DamonXX ox and chill stay spewing nonsense(Ron sometimes)
Swipa and Pen are Uber defensive of Jokic lol to the point where they act like they can’t say a single critical thing about him ever. But bring up another great player such as Giannis and they can point out every nit-picky negative thing about him any time somebody says something good about him. It’s okay guys Giannis doesn’t threaten Jokic’s spot in history.. you can at least try to be even across the board.
Uber defensive is a hilarious typo😹
Does chill really think the Lakers can beat every one but Denver? This is delulu at it’s oldest
Also Funny how joker fanatics will bring up advanced team stats and say how great the nuggets offense is and give him all the credit but if a player was the best player on multiple championship teams it’s just a team Accomplishment the Hypocrisy is laughable but that’s what u get the fanatics of men
Ox is there any footage online where I can watch you go against klay Thompson in the state championship game him dropping 35?
Keep spamming this until we get it lol
Yes there is on UA-cam
I’ve played it before on my channel
@@BIGOXMediawhat video?
Shows lowkey regularly going over 3 hours now
they been like that for a long time no?
@_MAi_157 nah usually they stop at 3 hours.
Give the ppl what they want man!
@@farhan2394-r7wit's been like this for a month.
I missed the first part of the show L me for working but anyways W Harden man still being great even at this age
L Work
Glad I found someone that respects Kawhi as much as me (Ox)
Pen loved bpm. I also noticed how he never mentioned passer rating after talking about it that one time
@@rashonduswashington pen uses bpm as a raw impact measurement which is weird as its box score reliant therefore worse box score players will have a worse bpm. It’s essentially box score watching at times and it’s definetly not good for capturing defensive value. Take bpm with a grain of salt unless backed by other information
@@tusharbisht6832I use it because it's easily available for everyone and is a massive improvement over how non-analytics people discuss the game.
@@pensarebasketball i agree with you and I know you understand analytics enough to just use bpm. But sometimes you do just state raw bpm without letting the audience know the ins and outs of the stat that’s all. Sometimes it feels like your using it as a raw impact measurement
@@tusharbisht6832yeah I can’t use bpm at all. I just don’t like that stat personally. It doesn’t make sense
@@rashonduswashington it’s basically comparing players box scores to the league average to find outliers. Thats the simplest way to put it
Why pen acting like Davion Mitchell didn’t guard Steph vs the kings in the playoffs?
And letting steph score 50 on them
...Scottie shut down Steph last year before Davion got here
Scottie ? who barnes 😂
20:45 Now that's just straight untrue lmao. Vando is like one of the best defenders on Luka in the league lol
Why do people always make us either way more or way less than what we are? All of a sudden Vando and DFS can't guard like that...all of a sudden AD isn't an elite defender...all of a sudden Max Christie isn't a really good poa defender and screen navigator, like...??
That matchup is nowhere near some cake walk for Dallas 💀
I don't remember when the last time Lakers beat healthy Dallas
@@jdc6354last season the very first matchup lakers beat them 127-110 Lakers next two matchups they lost in one possession games granted mavs does have a different team now so do the Lakers kinda
Ron not reading super chats until the end is like the nba not having Lamelo as a starter even tho he led in fan votes
nikola jokic isn't good at pushing the transition nor can get a head of steam to get to the basket well
Can't say I count those as his flaws. He runs the fast break all the time. And finishes fast breaks.
I’m with ox this box + - shit is dumb we don’t need all tht to tell who’s more valuable it’s dumb
These rate stats are attempting to balance the bias inherently present in regular counting stats.
A pass that leads to a contested 2 and a pass that leads to an open dunk are both assists. Contested and uncontested rebounds both count as 1 rebound.
So saying that, not all rebounds and assists are created equal. All the analytics do is differentiate between quality of blocks, steals, passes etc.
Playmaking and shooting from your center spot stresses the defense more than getting those things from the wing.
Players like Jokić, Jordan, Magic LeBron are great precisely because they impact winning in the details. Because Jordan creates more openings, Steph creates more openings.
Jordan Poole and Michael Jordan can both average 30. The difference will be in the value of those 30.
LeBron said it. "2 points isn't always 2 points"
anyone tht knows ball knows a Jordan Poole 30 and mj 30 are 2 different things we don’t need advanced stats to see tht
@ convinced they bring u on to give ppl a headache I rather listen to ticket 😂😂😂
@@Zi_greatness well when the size gap is as big as mj and Jordan Poole then yes u are right…
@ if joker didn’t have a good box plus minus it wouldn’t even be mentioned nobody is using tht shit in real debates we have regular stats to prove tht no real basketball head is going to a box plus minus to determine who’s better just a stat to boost players like joker and shai to throw them all time convos 👎🏽👎🏽
that superchat thing is real, the way Marz does when he hosts is better fs
Damn, L Ron!?
I’m here again with the StopthebullyingChill campaign 🤝🏽✊🏽🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
💯🤣
Fr bro 😭😭😭
@@johnnyhiphopandhoops9063 nah they don’t need to stop this man blocked me on TikTok today 🤣 talk about emotional
I personally like to think I'm pretty fair with my all-time rankings (obviously its my list), and I respect what Jokic has accomplished in the past 5 seasons. With that being said, you gotta be sniffing booger sugar to think Jok is already top 10 all-time. He isn't even in the top 15. MAYBE there's a case for him being top 20, and since longevity is a factor I account for he might not be top 20. YET! He's moving up the ranks tho. His peak is extremely impressive and offensively there aren't 5 players better than him.
His the best offensive player ever
Sonata the beginning of the year I said Sengun was my new favorite player.... That has changed.... AMEN THOMPSON is my favorite player no question
Magic at 4 is killing but bird not on the list
His top ten was interesting. Id love for a further explanation of it because I was so confused
No Shaq is kindda wild
@ oh he had him on there but he was at ten😭😭
Rons right about the Sparks. Ox is tripping
Time will tell. It’s gunna be a fun season either way.
Swipa lying on the Lakers is hilarious. Lakers have more defenders than DAL(DFS,Max C,Vando,AD,Gabe Vincent, and Cam Reddish- when he gets mins)
DAL literally have Naji Marshall
If Luka not shooting 38-40% from 3 the lakers will live with 15 side steps😂😭 and theyll have Vando smoother KY with some help from Max
If Vando is on the court it will be 4vs5 no one will guard him he’s gonna be cutting into another player
@@448DamonXX there’s ways to integrate non shooters into an offense. He can stampede the off the catch, get him in transition, surround him with shooters, put the ball in his hands in short roll actions. There’s plenty of ways for JJ to incorporate Vando in the offense and he’s actually talked about since he got the job.
*stampede off the catch
@ if a team doesn't at least keep track of where vando is on offense he'll create spam offensive rebounds
Chill don’t let a single Kawhi mention go by without him talking about his availability lol
He aint wrong tho
Put the house on Patrick Mahomes and the Chiefs 💰
Kyrie ain't never lead nuttin so I'm doubtful on them turning things around🤷🏽♂️🍻🍺
They are 9-7 this season when kyrie is in the lineup and luka isn’t by the way.🤷♂️
I agree everyone always talks about how skilled and great kyrie is but he doesnt get held to the same standards as other pgs he never led a team as the best player EVERRR
@@jasontodd8418 cap 🧢
Marz who do you think is the best offensive player ever? Imma take steph personally. The peaks i just dont think no one touched.
michael beasley
@ jokes man 🤦🏾♂️
James HarGoat
Lebron Jokić Jordan
12:38 Desamo with the worst trade ever
What the hell is this title 😂
It's a title for a slow news day.
Magic was used as a defensive Swiss Army knife from 1980-84. He was a good defender for a long time and only became bad after 1986. Slowkic has always been horrible on defense meanwhile Bron, Magic, MJ, Shaq and Steph are all better offensive players
No he wasnt he was too slow footed to guard on the perimeter and wasnt explosive enough to protect the paint at a good level, his wingspan gave him value for steals and deflection but overall was a bad defender
@@yetundeadeyemi2436literally not true. You can watch the playoffs and see that he was a key to their team defense. Defensive play calling is critical. The commentators talked about his team defense all the time
he was used as a free safety in his young years (i acc think he was a positive on defense in his early years) but when he peaked as an overall player he was a very clear negative on D
@@MarzTalksSports how can you have Jokic over Magic then if Magic provided far more career value on both ends of the ball even if the defense didn’t translate into his peak????
@@nykareem2001 do i have jokic over magic?
Sac And Memphis is the only matchups u like Marz?
yes
Mahom* will being HURT after the bowl game. Eagles 🦅 in 1
Eagles aren’t hurting Mahomes
I know Ron might like this. But I don’t, Keep LaVine and Beal away from the Deer District.
You trippin lol we’ll take Lavine for sure
@ and then what. That bench is gonna be trash and we still need defense. We’re already getting beat on the offensive rebounds and second chance points. What we need is a backup big and a good wing defender
@ I hear you! But we have GTJ, AJ Green to put up points. We can finally add Rollins to the roster and play Tyler Smith til we sign a big from the buyout market.
@@chuckysheed but I do agree another big is a must have
@@ninoboom2453 so, who’s the backup big. Because if you’re getting rid of the best sixth men on the team. Who’s the backup big. If you get a real backup for Brook, Bobby can flourish at his original position.
Do I under value joker? he’s is not the best offense player ever 😭😭 kibe Jordan bron and harden same logic for wilt give all them in prime same amount of possessions and pace
@@rxlo_jay5549 i think if ur saying wilts better offensively u underrate jokic
Wilt?🤣 Kobe?🤣💔
The mavs don't have better wings defenders than the Lakers, getting vando back and having dfs as well as max and gabe
Pen is so unbearable anytime swipa is on, like grow up every time swipa speaks he has to ad lib or just say some childish
Roy Williams said that not dean
Pen is so unbearable anytime swipa is on, like grow up every time swipa speaks he has to ad lib or just say some childish.
Chill got boxed up
W Jokic Glaze Fest
*HATE fest
Yea definitely “his list”
Yall didn’t know these players don’t know how to set screens & box out?? You young cats don’t know ball fr (im 27)
@@Senseicjj Jordan 2.0
@ lol they just be saying anything man
ANSWER THE DAM QUESTION CHILL, STOP DUCKING
So when y’all gone apologize for this dumb title?
Chill reminds me of that meme from spongebob where Man-Ray was trying to give patrick his wallet
Those who know know
All this suns hate alright I don’t wanna hear nun when your fav team gets bounced 1st round by em
jokic in the top 10, get out your feelingssss
Trade Gafford! I heard enough
Joker being in convos with mj shows how much grown men have become fanatics and biased to what ever they currently see in the present sad times
Can’t we say the same thing about “Charles Barkley being better than Giannis and Jokic”?
@@ronnellrandle569 it was an offensive convo
Jokic is literally one of the greatest players ever lol . What’s wrong with that ? He don’t have pippen he don’t have Rodman . Can we start recognizing talent and stop being choosey to who had great teams lol
@@448DamonXX yep
@@hitemup4753 still silly joker the last five years isn’t better than Jordan regular season and post season than Jordan from 88 to 93
Chill so bias against Luka and that bron love so annoying I hate this foo takes he to old for this
CLIPPERS NATION
Outside of OKC I like the clippers over everybody, Harden getting his Chip
Jewell Loyd better not pull up to Vegas shooting 25% from 3 again. I'm tryna watch some dynastic hoops. She bigger than Kelsey though and they need that cause Kelsey be looking like a lil girl out there tryna be the p.o.a
This team will go down as one of the best dynasties of all time amongst the 90s Comets and the Lynx of the 2010s
Stop it swipa max for kyrie he litterally do good against smaller gaurds as we that we seen this year and Vanderbilt and dfs are good wing defender on Luka and let him get his if kyrie don’t get his number and I think max could do a good job on him we winning this series and laker will be switch reddick litterally play a switch everything defense so those corner 3 not going to be open and kyrie and Luka would fall in that 1 on 1 trap and ad and bron is to big for everyone on the mavs at their positions this go 7 games and nuggets give up problems because jokic and movement offense and their just two big but no other team in the west have that size but the laker always due good against isolations teams and pnr teams with lob catch big team the laker don’t want to see Denver that it everyone else they can beat
The Lakers perimeter defense has been poor throughout the season yes vando and DFS will help but a healthy Luka can dissect that defense especially with liabilities on the floor such as rui, reeves and LeBron on the floor who will get heavy minutes they were getting torched on the perimeter, the Lakers offball defense is even worse as vando isn't that good off the ball and Kyrie as one of he best offball scorers in the league
@ and ad a switchable big and vando is elite off the ball I don’t think you know to lock up curry and Klay you got to be good off ball defender and he a good rim protector and good in the passing lane I think you don’t watch vando
Why can’t Swipa accept that joker can’t dunk on ppl on the offensive end 🤓 lol these convos up here be so goofy man.
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@ sarcasm pen, don’t reply to me again boy
W Harden man the greatest player I’ve ever seen ( I’m exaggerating don’t mind me) but W harden once again
Nah you had it right the first time Harden is the greatest player to walk god’s green earth (I’m exaggerating) W to our GOAT though
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Nahh what did I js walk into
@@yetundeadeyemi2436 A James Harden love fest if you not trying to join then be gone
@@MOE__ nah I'm here spectating especially when I think harden is underrated rn and underrated in general
Jokić is not a top 10 player im sorry he’s not even top 14
Look at this fool 😂😂 he is top five he better than your faves peak go cry somewhere