This was a very interesting and very helpful episode. Before visiting the major Mayan sites afew years ago I bought a few books to prepare for the experriece. None of them provided the big picture insights that I got from this podcast. Thanks
I really enjoyed this. Every day we're filling in more & more pages of the human story ,,it's fascinating stuff & I'm sure it'll be the best story ever told once it's finished. Maybe the second best,,only after the story of the Universe. Still got a good few chapters to come in both of them yet though.
About the Hero Twins in the Popol Vuh: The Twins rescued/resurrected their father by defeating the Lords of Xibalba, rulers of the underworld, in a Mesoamerican ballgame match, after they found their dad's old ballgame equipment hidden in the roof by their grieving grandmother. Sons following their father's passion after finding his old stuff in their attic? So modern. Also, the names of the Lords of Xibalba are translated as One-Death and Seven-Death. Sounds like Maya cyberpunk.
When I saw the name of your guest, I was very interested. I've read about the Maya and remember feeling envious of him growing up around all that cool archeology. Hoping his book gets completed - would be a no-brainer buy.
I don't know, but some morons always have to involve some mysterious aliens having helped them build their amazing structures, which is - if you think about it - deeply racist. They simply deny the fact that these cultures would be able to create all these things themselves. Which really just goes to show how dumb and primitive these "ancient aliens" people really are for being so dull and narrow minded that they literally lack the imagination that anyone besides white Europeans could have had systems of advanced science and technology.
Gilgamesh, mahabharata and this Epic. One question that's always interesting is to use astronomical charts they produced to get dates for ancient events. It would have been great to know if this reverse dating is done
I was on a LSD trip in 1994 ish and 2012 seemed to be some form of inflection point. Not the end of the world, but as some year which would come to have significance for man going forward. I had no idea about the Mayan calender at the time, finding out about it in the age of the www. It took about 5 minutes to establish that the Mayan's didn't believe the world would end in 2012 and instead related to their calender (end of an epoch), not sure why it became a theory even amongst those that had no such experience, though I had also learnt to try not to impose my own prejudices on evidence.
1:01:48 Popol Vuh: next time start with this please; I would have been interested in the actual writings and stories. I can’t believe you talked for a whole hour without giving any of their original history or mythic history or cosmology: what’s more interesting than the beginning and end of the world, and you never got to it? Other than dispelling the 2012 non-event. Anecdotes about the finding of the Cacao-Pot, or the different ways to write “King” were not exactly the things I was expecting. Only thing I learned was 200-900 A.D. classical period, city states at war, civilizational collapse for complicated reasons; and calendar from 3014 B.C. to 2012 as the holy 13th of the 20(x20x20x360 days) count. And that LIDAR shows old sites are three times as big as they thought, and new sites are still being discovered.
Why does he talk about the lack of books from the Mayans, actual codices, and blame it on the climate? It's well documented what happened, the christian priests ordered all Mayan texts to be destroyed.
@@benjaminneumann-chun4982 Yeah, I did write that post before finishing the video but chose not to edit my post because he made those claims without mentioning priests destroying the codices which is really misleading, and PLUS, despite the later mention he did NOT admit it was correcting a prior mis-statement.
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This was a very interesting and very helpful episode. Before visiting the major Mayan sites afew years ago I bought a few books to prepare for the experriece. None of them provided the big picture insights that I got from this podcast. Thanks
Linda Schele, David Stuart, Stephen Houston, lots of good ones!
A perfect treat for the morning.
Thanks to Dr. Stuart for all his work on the Maya. As a Guatemalan I appreciate his constribution to our understanding of out past.
Truly underrated people.. among other incredible ancient Mayan achievements, 'mayanaise'. 😶🌫️
I really enjoyed this.
Every day we're filling in more & more pages of the human story ,,it's fascinating stuff & I'm sure it'll be the best story ever told once it's finished.
Maybe the second best,,only after the story of the Universe.
Still got a good few chapters to come in both of them yet though.
Wow great topic! I'm very excited to listen to this one
two of my favorite people talking together. this is so cool 🍿
About the Hero Twins in the Popol Vuh: The Twins rescued/resurrected their father by defeating the Lords of Xibalba, rulers of the underworld, in a Mesoamerican ballgame match, after they found their dad's old ballgame equipment hidden in the roof by their grieving grandmother. Sons following their father's passion after finding his old stuff in their attic? So modern.
Also, the names of the Lords of Xibalba are translated as One-Death and Seven-Death. Sounds like Maya cyberpunk.
When I saw the name of your guest, I was very interested. I've read about the Maya and remember feeling envious of him growing up around all that cool archeology. Hoping his book gets completed - would be a no-brainer buy.
Loved the discussion and insight into the ancient Maya culture.
Nice to have you. Don't forget Jimenez Translation. 🙏 ✨ Congrats.
read peter tompkins book "Mysteries of the Mexican Pyramids" when i was 10.
cant wait to listen to this episode when im home!
Who isn't fascinated by ancient civilizations like the Maya??!!!
I don't know, but some morons always have to involve some mysterious aliens having helped them build their amazing structures, which is - if you think about it - deeply racist. They simply deny the fact that these cultures would be able to create all these things themselves. Which really just goes to show how dumb and primitive these "ancient aliens" people really are for being so dull and narrow minded that they literally lack the imagination that anyone besides white Europeans could have had systems of advanced science and technology.
Me. But I'm still curious about the conversation.
Beautiful. Thank you.
Do we have any DNA analysis of any of the Mayan ancestors?
Gilgamesh, mahabharata and this Epic. One question that's always interesting is to use astronomical charts they produced to get dates for ancient events. It would have been great to know if this reverse dating is done
Nice
Early drop 😮
I was on a LSD trip in 1994 ish and 2012 seemed to be some form of inflection point. Not the end of the world, but as some year which would come to have significance for man going forward. I had no idea about the Mayan calender at the time, finding out about it in the age of the www. It took about 5 minutes to establish that the Mayan's didn't believe the world would end in 2012 and instead related to their calender (end of an epoch), not sure why it became a theory even amongst those that had no such experience, though I had also learnt to try not to impose my own prejudices on evidence.
I think that you can safely get off that trip now.
Neat
Funny, no mention of the Maya heart surgery.
1:01:48 Popol Vuh: next time start with this please; I would have been interested in the actual writings and stories.
I can’t believe you talked for a whole hour without giving any of their original history or mythic history or cosmology: what’s more interesting than the beginning and end of the world, and you never got to it? Other than dispelling the 2012 non-event.
Anecdotes about the finding of the Cacao-Pot, or the different ways to write “King” were not exactly the things I was expecting.
Only thing I learned was 200-900 A.D. classical period, city states at war, civilizational collapse for complicated reasons; and calendar from 3014 B.C. to 2012 as the holy 13th of the 20(x20x20x360 days) count. And that LIDAR shows old sites are three times as big as they thought, and new sites are still being discovered.
23:43
Why does he talk about the lack of books from the Mayans, actual codices, and blame it on the climate? It's well documented what happened, the christian priests ordered all Mayan texts to be destroyed.
He talks pretty explicitly about that too. Around 26:00 he talks about the Spanish destroying Mayan archives.
@@benjaminneumann-chun4982 Yeah, I did write that post before finishing the video but chose not to edit my post because he made those claims without mentioning priests destroying the codices which is really misleading, and PLUS, despite the later mention he did NOT admit it was correcting a prior mis-statement.
The hot humid climate combined with dense jungle doesnt help with the preservation of things like paper
@@citrusblast4372 How is that relevant? It's well documented there were 100's or 1000's ot codexes that actually existed and were destroyed.