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  • @GrowlingSidewinder
    @GrowlingSidewinder  26 днів тому +2

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  • @m_swizzy22
    @m_swizzy22 Місяць тому +265

    3:43 my man did the Top Gun: Maverick Su-57 “what the f**k was that” moment

    • @goingoutonmyshield2811
      @goingoutonmyshield2811 Місяць тому +14

      ......Tom Cruise enters the chat
      ......The Law of physics leaves the chat

    • @heatblast876
      @heatblast876 Місяць тому +1

      It means that the Mig 21 can also challenge and destroy the F22 in dogfight. Really, it's not a plane. It's a pilot.

    • @ElwinChinJunXiang
      @ElwinChinJunXiang Місяць тому +9

      @@heatblast876 You forgot that the F-22 can snipe that Mig-21 from afar. For most of the time, it mostly 76% plane, 24% pilot. Can the F-4E Phantom take on a Mig-29 Fulcrum from afar? No it can't. Can it pose a threat below 15,000 feet? Yeah, it can. However who wouldn't squeeze down the trigger from afar but instead go and take a greater risk by going into a dogfight? Also, your quote of saying "it's not a plane. It's a pilot.", it is actually "it's not the plane. It's the pilot."

    • @Missile_Guidance_System482
      @Missile_Guidance_System482 Місяць тому +3

      "Splitting the throttles!"

    • @Missile_Guidance_System482
      @Missile_Guidance_System482 Місяць тому

      "Splitting the throttles!"

  • @ObeyNoLies
    @ObeyNoLies Місяць тому +119

    I am in love with the KF-21. Such an awesome concept and project.

    • @KittyKittyCat-vf8zd
      @KittyKittyCat-vf8zd 20 днів тому +2

      why? It is just an ugly F22 clone.

    • @bingbai3660
      @bingbai3660 19 днів тому +1

      ​@@KittyKittyCat-vf8zdDo not tell them the truth😂

  • @yongkim5826
    @yongkim5826 29 днів тому +49

    I guess only user has made the limitation. But, KF-21 is supposed to be actually the most dog fighter designed. Just few months KF-21 passed the test for high angle flying and low speed flying. angle is almost the same as F-22, or 70 degree angle. other flighters are less than 60 degree angle. So, I guess the programmer makes the same flying ability as F-35's.

  • @reinhardtrossouw1879
    @reinhardtrossouw1879 Місяць тому +151

    You know the rules - now you need to fly it and do a bvr as well.

  • @ohhappyday4868
    @ohhappyday4868 18 днів тому +9

    All Chinese fighter jets are made in Temu.

  • @gotskykapitan459
    @gotskykapitan459 29 днів тому +35

    In the actual battle, the J-11 is shot down by a Meteor launched from a KF-21 200 km away.

  • @thegameplaymemer3248
    @thegameplaymemer3248 Місяць тому +91

    Idea: 1v1v1 dogfight? Could be a little too choatic but at least worth a try

    • @deezynar
      @deezynar Місяць тому +13

      Why? You let the other two go at it, then you take on the survivor.

  • @Dontbeweak123
    @Dontbeweak123 Місяць тому +110

    That boiled down to pilot skill. Neither plane seemed to hold much of an advantage and your opponent seemed to not be very skilled in the rate fight

    • @sujitbala1492
      @sujitbala1492 Місяць тому +13

      Nah. He was skilled. They both were.

    • @dna10165
      @dna10165 Місяць тому +12

      Maybe because of the kf-21 module’s aerodynamic capabilities? It is never shown to public so far as i know

    • @theamericancommie727
      @theamericancommie727 Місяць тому +10

      ​@@dna10165I think in the rate fight since the Kf-21's rate speeds aren't known yet it was hard for the other pilot to rateproperly

  • @imstarwars
    @imstarwars Місяць тому +3

    That was some of the most fun to watch dogfighting on your channel that I've seen. Awesome video!

  • @MississippiKid96
    @MississippiKid96 Місяць тому +14

    Personal opinion, that was probably the best dogfight I’ve seen on this channel. The Kf 21 put up one hell of a fight

  • @murph3194
    @murph3194 Місяць тому +32

    Round 2 was quite a chess match there. Very entertaining. Well done.

  • @nathaniellazo5912
    @nathaniellazo5912 Місяць тому +5

    Man, I finally have the time to watch this, and what beautiful flying in the first round!!

  • @barbaros99
    @barbaros99 Місяць тому +12

    Absolute nailbiters both times. Fantastic work by both of you!
    Given the look of the KF-21, the F-35, and the Checkmate, is all 5th Gen development just "everything will become crabs"?

  • @flyingbullseye
    @flyingbullseye Місяць тому +152

    The KF-21 being smaller always made me see it as a baby raptor. If you're going to imitate why not go for the top dog

    • @Myungbean
      @Myungbean Місяць тому +23

      The suspicion is that they're intending to wait for a 5th gen version so that they can fulfill their obligation to Indonesia with the lower spec blocks first.

    • @Santi-792
      @Santi-792 Місяць тому +3

      Because of 💸

    • @retnemmoc101
      @retnemmoc101 Місяць тому +8

      The stated plan is that they are, but in stages. Probably mainly funding but also iirc most if, not all the tech is/will be indigenous, so that needs to be developed too.

    • @9999AWC
      @9999AWC Місяць тому +22

      It was designed in partnership with Lockheed Martin

    • @Hanniballz313
      @Hanniballz313 Місяць тому +9

      @@9999AWC "If you're going to imitate why not go for the top dog". You think their American masters would allow that? It's not even fully their IP, they rely on American tech and design to build that thing.

  • @SkywalkerExpress
    @SkywalkerExpress Місяць тому +9

    KF-21 is basically F-22 frame with Super Hornet engine

  • @firebald2915
    @firebald2915 Місяць тому +12

    Can you imagine the G in a fight like this in reality?
    Attrition, would find the loser quickly with a battle this long. Great stuff !

  • @theamericancommie727
    @theamericancommie727 Місяць тому +41

    This was my favorite dogfight video you've made, the stakes felt so high, both planes felt nearly equal, it was such a good fight. Especially because alot of this showcased pilot skill and it was awesome to see how you guys adapted to each others mistakes, my favorite df video ever, I'd love to see this with Fox 2's.

  • @gigachad1939
    @gigachad1939 Місяць тому +68

    It was like ballet dance in the sky

    • @significantlystrangeboi9929
      @significantlystrangeboi9929 Місяць тому +7

      Agreed, how would you like to see dogfighting become a professional motorsport like air racing?

    • @TheLordsOfTheDucks
      @TheLordsOfTheDucks Місяць тому +5

      Especially when you have fighters with a t/w ratio higher than 1. The dogfight between su 57 and f22 are beautiful.

    • @eugeneescalona9478
      @eugeneescalona9478 Місяць тому +1

      ​@@significantlystrangeboi9929 paintball bullets

    • @significantlystrangeboi9929
      @significantlystrangeboi9929 Місяць тому

      @@eugeneescalona9478 no, laser tag, checkout “sky combat ace”

  • @alxavier3795
    @alxavier3795 Місяць тому +26

    Great fight!
    Good flying by both pilots!!

  • @RaGeRC
    @RaGeRC Місяць тому +33

    I was rooting so hard for that KF21! I need to see it Piloted by GS. I really think it has potential. I need to see this thing get some wins!

    • @raykreiger4123
      @raykreiger4123 Місяць тому +4

      it might not have an interior, which is why he never flew the yf23 iirc

  • @MysanthropeWT
    @MysanthropeWT Місяць тому +3

    Just joy of a fight to watch! Thank you!

  • @brandondugger2754
    @brandondugger2754 Місяць тому

    Excellent work ! Thanks so much for this Channel !!

  • @ryugakishatu6372
    @ryugakishatu6372 Місяць тому +29

    Man that kF-21 can pull some insane AoA to be able to give a flanker a hard time in a one circle.

  • @ExtinctLS1GTO
    @ExtinctLS1GTO Місяць тому +7

    I've always loved those longer winded dogfights. It's always awesome to see 2 aircraft nearly evenly matched and the fight comes down to the pilots! Great video as always man!

  • @benkimberley
    @benkimberley Місяць тому

    this channel is really good for getting little bits of dust off my main screen

  • @dark_night_sky
    @dark_night_sky Місяць тому +7

    That was a great battle. Beautiful gameplay!! Great job!

  • @sana-cm7oc
    @sana-cm7oc Місяць тому

    Excellent video. That was a great fight!

  • @resurgam_b7
    @resurgam_b7 Місяць тому

    Dang, you two were ducking and weaving around each other's nose's like a pair of pro boxers dodging punches! Very impressive display by both aircraft and pilots!

  • @kertaspaper94
    @kertaspaper94 Місяць тому +7

    We really be getting the KF-21 before the T/ T/A / F/A -50 in DCS

  • @SSJ4Brohan
    @SSJ4Brohan Місяць тому

    Good video GS! Flankers are always asking questions.

  • @cryptombt5880
    @cryptombt5880 Місяць тому +2

    Awesome video. Your opponent put up a damn good fight to be far.

  • @TheScottShepard
    @TheScottShepard Місяць тому +4

    Masterful fight from both of you!

  • @macgyver186
    @macgyver186 Місяць тому +3

    GS's classic move. Wait til they are out of energy and then saw their wing off.

  • @TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta
    @TheMagusOfTheMagnaCarta Місяць тому +3

    Dammed good fight both of you... like watching a 12 round boxing match between 2 guys who wont back down

  • @Philomatt13
    @Philomatt13 Місяць тому +2

    It's so strange, watching these has actually improved my dogfighting in Ace Combat. Obviously not a 1 for 1, but certain concepts still apply.

  • @spackle9999
    @spackle9999 Місяць тому +17

    That move at the 12:00 minute mark was *chefs kiss*

  • @Acula33RC
    @Acula33RC Місяць тому +3

    I've said it before, it's worth saying each video...... you make it look so easy. Flow state would have been a good call sign.

  • @GarrettNGC
    @GarrettNGC Місяць тому

    That was some great flying by both of you

  • @joelchoquette5674
    @joelchoquette5674 Місяць тому +2

    Dang GS, that was exhausting even for me.

  • @abdc2990
    @abdc2990 Місяць тому

    Awesome fight, cool techniques and showcase of skill, loved it :)

  • @hkguitar1984
    @hkguitar1984 Місяць тому

    Thank You ALEXTV
    And a great big thank you to ANVIL for putting the KF-21 through its paces, fantastic flying Sir.
    Great content GS, You Da Man

  • @codychild2665
    @codychild2665 Місяць тому

    Great fight. Round 2 was a battle!

  • @GatorAaron
    @GatorAaron Місяць тому

    I was waiting for one of y'all to have to drop gears.

  • @donkeyballs3081
    @donkeyballs3081 Місяць тому +17

    I've been watching your stuff for well over a year and I'm still blown away by your technical knowledge and ability to read your bandit and maneuver accordingly. It's fun watching someone with your level of skill.

  • @Flanker207
    @Flanker207 Місяць тому +1

    Dogfighting with Super Hornet would be intresting.
    It's not ment to be a dogfighter as you mentioned, but they both have same engines, and even very similar wing area.

  • @RupertFoulmouth
    @RupertFoulmouth Місяць тому +5

    Would love if you could include the tactical view in an insert window.

  • @rbigg
    @rbigg Місяць тому +2

    Good fight, made you work for those.

  • @bitmanagent67
    @bitmanagent67 Місяць тому

    those were some long fights. Glad to see GS reign victorious

  • @CAGraphics576
    @CAGraphics576 Місяць тому

    Would like to see more of Anvil!! Great fight!!

  • @theymusthatetesla3186
    @theymusthatetesla3186 Місяць тому

    Good piloting both sides!

  • @dougshelby939
    @dougshelby939 Місяць тому

    Outstanding flying by the both of you. Couple of inches, literally, it could have easily been 2-0 him. Very entertaining guys!

  • @geerrr3516
    @geerrr3516 Місяць тому

    @1:46 BF moment + BF theme always used as an outro = confirmed. GS is a BF jet sweat

  • @nwbklr
    @nwbklr Місяць тому

    12:35 - You DID have him across your nose…SHOOT! Lols

  • @eldonrollins162
    @eldonrollins162 Місяць тому +9

    Watching this it seemed as thought the pilot wasn't as familiar with that platform as they could have been, and...that the KF-21 seemed a little under powered compared to the J-11. Fun to watch, long dogfights. Thanks for this.

    • @Myungbean
      @Myungbean Місяць тому +8

      Looking at specs, the Boramae should have a very slight edge in TWR, though that might change at Max Takeoff Weight. Performance was almost certainly due to unfamiliarity with the platform. The fight certainly made it seem that way.

  • @Lee-sti8wrx
    @Lee-sti8wrx Місяць тому

    Impressive man, what a close fight. He did an awesome job against a flanker. Nearly had you a few times. Loved that video man.
    10 stars for that one dude.

  • @jobengals86
    @jobengals86 Місяць тому +2

    helps put things in perspective in regards to how spoiled we are in the US with our 22s (and 35s)

  • @bruhhhhmoment4848
    @bruhhhhmoment4848 Місяць тому +3

    F35 is underrated it is actually pretty good in a dogfight

  • @midnightbluevt
    @midnightbluevt Місяць тому

    Great fight, very tense the whole time.

  • @cpt_stupid82
    @cpt_stupid82 Місяць тому +1

    perfect example of patience meeting opportunity

  • @sweatybotfn9982
    @sweatybotfn9982 Місяць тому +1

    Can never doubt flanker’s performance

  • @ulysseswong8443
    @ulysseswong8443 Місяць тому

    Would be cool to see the tac view of the fight!

  • @talagompie
    @talagompie Місяць тому +2

    @GrowlingSidewinder I am assuming AlexTV is making all these mods, Su-75, KF-21, etc. Do you know when he plans to make them public?

  • @JoshuaCalvert80
    @JoshuaCalvert80 Місяць тому

    Great video. For some reason I enjoy bvr stuff just a little more 😅

  • @adnanmurshed6732
    @adnanmurshed6732 29 днів тому

    I almost thought the fight is never going to end 😅

  • @xX_Gravity_Xx
    @xX_Gravity_Xx Місяць тому +2

    The KF-21 in terms of design is far superior to the F-35 IMO. Implementation and tech is another conversation entirely.

  • @hughkeem
    @hughkeem Місяць тому +13

    It sounds like 'mae' from 'made' (past tense of make). Bo-ra-mae means a hawk that was trained for hunting from less than 1 year old. Indonesian government was supposed to pay a partial development budget, but they only paid 10% of what expected which is drastically less than anticipated.. but this development is still ongoing in a good shape fortunately. Thanks for the video! I felt sad that mobility seems not better, but the warzone is not only dogfight so I would take as relief for me 😢

    • @MTEditz
      @MTEditz Місяць тому +5

      dcs and modders are using only unclassified information. This isn't actual 1:1 replications of what these jets can do. And it comes down to pilot skill

    • @seashellbunny
      @seashellbunny Місяць тому +4

      @@MTEditz I'd say the performance of the J-11 is probably pretty close to the actual Su-27, which is very well known (Unless they've gotten engine upgrades since). The KF-21 is still highly classified, I'd say that the flight model in DCS seems to be a mix of the F-22 and F-35, and that gap in performance compared to the J-11 is almost certainly because the pilot is still unfamiliar with it. The fight was a lot closer in the second round, so it seemed like he was learning on the spot.

    • @hkkim8718
      @hkkim8718 25 днів тому

      Yup. "-mae" as in Ginnie Mae and Fannie Mae. Glad you brought this up.
      Enjoying GS show, as always.

  • @pandagaminggaming1427
    @pandagaminggaming1427 Місяць тому +2

    Very good vid. :D

  • @BladeKi11a
    @BladeKi11a Місяць тому

    Patiently waiting for GS to drop the BF3 F-18 mission “Going Hunting”

  • @thejetfighter
    @thejetfighter Місяць тому

    Good flight! 😀

  • @michaelj4009
    @michaelj4009 Місяць тому +2

    Really enjoyed this fight.

  • @edwardsarty9572
    @edwardsarty9572 Місяць тому

    You make every fighter you fly, like it’s on steroids

  • @thegamingking_yt
    @thegamingking_yt Місяць тому

    GS great vid man, what about the su27/J11 against the su75?

  • @5BMN
    @5BMN Місяць тому +1

  • @antiHUMANDesigns
    @antiHUMANDesigns Місяць тому

    Such a very even and interesting fight.

  • @gun_toting_lefty
    @gun_toting_lefty Місяць тому +2

    Hey! Former USMC Infantry here. Really appreciate the dance you Pilots do up there. Got any vids of air/ground, close air support?

    • @GrowlingSidewinder
      @GrowlingSidewinder  Місяць тому

      Hello hello, I think you would like the A-10 videos, one of them here: ua-cam.com/video/0qS7ul2OlPs/v-deo.html&ab_channel=GrowlingSidewinder

    • @khuadedadkasi6425
      @khuadedadkasi6425 Місяць тому

      @@GrowlingSidewinder Hi! Is it possible you can do BVR with SD-10 missiles again(Against any missile).

  • @Drago2600
    @Drago2600 Місяць тому

    Those were good fights. 👍🏼

  • @ImBrockatron
    @ImBrockatron Місяць тому

    I know it isnt necessary, but an f22 vs f22 dogfight would be cool. A bunch of cool moves for the whole video would be lit.

  • @israelmoreno3620
    @israelmoreno3620 Місяць тому

    i like your work thanks

  • @ObeyNoLies
    @ObeyNoLies Місяць тому

    Looks like it would be great with HOBS Fox 2s. Seems like that is what it was meant to fight with.

  • @cloudforest4087
    @cloudforest4087 Місяць тому

    This was a good fight!

  • @sebastianleonelayala123
    @sebastianleonelayala123 Місяць тому

    Dude! Argentina is buying Vipers! Would be nice seeing it with the Argentinian flag as you did with the mirage ❤

  • @282XVL
    @282XVL Місяць тому +1

    Protip for flying in the PLAAF: "Over-G" in a J-11 actually means Over (to the) Gulag for you! Don't break the Dear Leader's planes!

  • @joshfrommilan6130
    @joshfrommilan6130 Місяць тому

    Shoutout to Anvil, that second fight was awesome!

  • @Lovemytruck-bq6sp
    @Lovemytruck-bq6sp Місяць тому +1

    Tomcat with Phoenixs and AMRAAM Deltas or Raptor vs Berkut please 🙏

  • @WizardusMaximus
    @WizardusMaximus Місяць тому

    How long does it take you to learn how to fly a plane? Whatcha using for controls ? Nice video

  • @jordythiemann2598
    @jordythiemann2598 Місяць тому

    I fk love dcs, its just so hard to learn tho, all i have is an hotas, i can't keep visual, should i get vr or IRtracker?

  • @beibei93
    @beibei93 Місяць тому

    Damn you are fast.

  • @aaronyork3995
    @aaronyork3995 Місяць тому +2

    KF21= Kentucky Fried 21

  • @SovereignVis
    @SovereignVis Місяць тому +1

    You should try a BVR fight with these 2 now.

  • @jamesromanow5905
    @jamesromanow5905 Місяць тому

    That was some awesome flying
    Cheers from Canada 🇨🇦

  • @user-bb1lz7ft2l
    @user-bb1lz7ft2l 11 днів тому

    Nice looking plane, F22? Are you still using the F100 engines from the US?

  • @akman1931
    @akman1931 Місяць тому

    Hey GS. I dont know about this software too much, but maybe lower the shadow details.
    I enjoy your videos. I want to get into this simulator soon.

  • @Amac1825
    @Amac1825 Місяць тому

    That's a weird lookin f15/16/18. How'd you figure out how to start it up?

  • @52down
    @52down 26 днів тому

    Flanker outrating something is something unusual to see

  • @subjectc7505
    @subjectc7505 Місяць тому +1

    I never seen you use the Chinese Su-30 👀

  • @mrp8488
    @mrp8488 Місяць тому +1

    Requesting Su-57 vs J-20.

  • @RS-kx9rp
    @RS-kx9rp 28 днів тому

    You are a good pilot😂

  • @ironmask5308
    @ironmask5308 25 днів тому

    "This thing is not imaginary" like the Checkmate?

  • @ivanbarbancon8750
    @ivanbarbancon8750 Місяць тому

    strangely, KF-21 looks like an F-22 airframe with F-35 wings to me xD