Recreating Jerry Cantrell's DIRT Tone!
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- Опубліковано 21 кві 2020
- Let's see if we can recreate one of the most celebrated and sought after guitar tones of the 90's, Jerry Cantrell's tone on the Alice In Chains album DIRT.
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#JerryCantrell #AliceInChains #DIRT
"Then we bought the CD version that we could not wear out." Kids these days don't know how much of a technical improvement a CD was over previous formats.
Buuuuuuut vinyl sounds better hehe...
@@chipmcdip8629
No, not at all
The ability to skip directly to any song was a miracle!!!! I remember being so sick of fast forwarding.
Chip McDip most of my life has been spent listening to iTunes and CDs, but I just got into vinyl records. While they all sound good, it seems that with vinyl, there are little intricacies in the sound and in the mix that you don’t quite hear with other formats
@@davidvondusseldorf1208 how so
The key to Jerry's tone is Jerry. He said that he and EVH tried out each others rigs one time. And that EVH sounded like EVH through Jerry's rig. And that Jerry sounded like Jerry through EVH's rig.
That & processing.
Growing up in the early nineties everything was simple and and analog all my guitar player buddies would always ask how I got my tone and every time we all tried out each other's rigs we would sound like who played and I always believed that it's the player not the gear..
🤟🤟☘
@@Ken-yg4um That holds some truth but it's not 100% the case. If I play through a PV backstage vs my rig yes my style will shine but theirs a huge difference in the sound. So yes playing technique and style is paramount but its not the whole nut!
It really is in the hands of the player. There’s a video of Dimebag playing in a club with a small band and he’s playing through a Marshall and a Jackson and it just instantly sounds like dime even though he’s not using any of his usual gear
Fantastic video!! Dave was so cutting edge for the time, I’m pretty sure if he had the tools we have now he would have utilized them. You’re right, all that matters is the end result! Great work! Alice In Chains are such an amazing band!
Folks should check out your interviews with Jerden. They were great.
Loved your man in the box interview with Dave. I hope he's doing well
Dirt is an absolute masterpiece it was their last album with bassist Mike Starr and was recorded in their prime great video dude!
Leonardo R Soares I agree- I’ll put it up there with almost anything! Genius
Mike Starr got a bad rap. Then again he must have had to be completely out of it to be let go.
I’m speechless. That was amazing
@@iceWaterProductions1 He didn't get a bad rap, he was scalping AIC tickets to buy dope among a host of other shady things, not to mention his love of underage girls. He didn't write any of the bass lines on Dirt, Ed Sheeley and Jerry wrote the bass lines to those songs, and Ed had to teach Mike how to play those songs.
I wholeheartedly agree 🤟🏻💀🤟🏻
Jerry Cantrell is one of the most influential guitarist from the 90s. Thanks for this video!
I remember one weekend in 1992 my sister came home from college and she had 'Dirt' playing in her car. I heard 'Would?' and was immediately hooked. I listened to the entire album front to back and it's nothing short of a masterpiece. Jerry's dark modality on 'Would?' along with his wild vibrato and extreme string bends made me a fan from the start.
its such a shame that every youtuber has to justify their way how they do things infront of 12year old comment writers
anyway great tone - got really close!
@NootNoot Comment of the year so far!
Yeah I get that all the time. People complain about the free content that I create for them!
It's not a hard trick to do. Anyone can do it when you BUY a couple of profiles. OLD guys with REAL skill do it with REAL amps...
These kids today I tell you...
Only from a distance this is bait right?
@@onlyfromadistance7326 weak troll
The "Bogner" amp was a Marshall JCM800 modded by Reinhold Bogner, supposedly.
Yes. I read that the engineer brought the modded marshall (2204?) to the sessions. Apparently Jerry tried to buy it a number of times over the years. It was finally offered to him just after the engineer passed away, but he said it was too much.
The Snorkler there are UA-cam clips
Unholy Paimon That amp was used on Facelift. Much much more likely was that it was a Bogner fish preamp probably into a VHT power amp. I don’t believe the Ecstasy even existed in 91/92.
You sure?
www.gearslutz.com/board/q-a-with-dave-jerden/1030487-dirt-guitar-sound.html
Bogner Fish Preamp which is actually in the Axe Fx and pretty much nails the Dirt tone by itself
I love how people think this is "too woofy". Bruh... have you even heard music made before 2005? Add some low end in your guitar it won't kill you. I think you got pretty damn close. AiC definitely had some beefy, thick guitar tones.
and most tones sound shit outside of the mix but incredible in it
big difference between bottom end and woofiness
Definitely need to do a Hum or Deftones (around the fur era) tone recreation
Thats gotta be one of the best tones ever
I'd also like to request a Helmet or Quicksand recreation.
That tone is ridiculous. Not even a huge Deftones fans.
I saw the Deftones in the 90s at the Roseland theater in Portland Oregon. You wouldn’t believe it but they were actually using huge rack systems. The power went out several times because they were pulling so much wattage. It caused the show to go past the city noise ordinance time. The cops showed up and shut down the show. I also saw Helmet. They were using VHT Pitbulls.
Definitely
Fun fact: Jerry Cantrell’s Dual Rectifier was a prototype gifted to him by Mesa. Another fact: a key factor of his tone was a modded JCM800 maybe a JVM with a gain mod, running into a open back 1x12 mic’d on both sides.
modded marshalls: forever the scourge of tone chasers
Michael Czesnozki his amp was actually a jmp 2204 or 2203 modified by reinholt bogner
I think Mr Friedman was the one modding Jerry's amps back then too
No JVM, didn’t exist in the ‘90s.
@@MikeBiscuits27 Jerry used a Bogner mod for the first 2 albums I believe
Sludge factory might be the greatest guitar tone ever recorded
The solos on that track are sooo good
I read somewhere that he used a 5150 on that track
I love "Head Creeps" tone so much but Sludge Factory has always been one of my favorite songs ever, such an underrated song with Frogs
Junkhead live from the Singles release show aired on MTV was absolutely scary time wise. You can feel it through the video. 😎
@@ogulcanyolcu8714 i agree bro killer album my all time favourite .
I personally like Facelift more, its my favorite album of all time. But there's no denying Dirt is their best piece of work
The bogner amp was the fish preamp thru his mosvalve power amp, at least that was what he said back then. They basically divided frecuencies in low mids (mesa) mids (fish) and high end (rockman/Marshall microstack i think)
The bogner 800 was on facelift, there was a huge thread on gearslutz about it
Another great video R~B~G !!!
thanks for the content & keep pumping out the vid's.... 🐈
This is my favorite of all your "find the tone" videos. You really killed it. And, I know you don't care, but the bass, when solo, did sound a little computery. But wow, you really crushed it this time. Also, this is one of my favorite bands, seen them with Staley and the "new guy". Great job.
i love these videos. your best so far imo, keep it up
Fluff I’m glad you floss.... omg there’s a dead dog in your room!!!
Awesome video and awesome job on the recreation. I love these videos. To get to see what you get to play with and how much you know about music and recording is years and years beyond me. Your effort for things like this, It’s fascinating. Gj bruh
Awesome! Dirt, my favorite album of all times! Jerry is one of my biggest influences when it comes to my own music making. You really did a great job there Fluff! You definitely succeeded in getting both that crispy and fat guitar sound from the album! I love Jerry’s guitar tone and I actually think that it’s improved in a great way for every album they are releasing! Thanks and take care! 👊🏼😎
I'd love to hear and see how Rain When I Die was rigged up and things. I feel it's an underrated song from DIRT.
I wonder if it did, in fact, rain the day Layne passed. And I agree... Great song. Very surprised it wasn't a hit single. Then again... That album was loaded with hit singles.
@@masondixon1718 rumors it did
My favorite AIC song!
I'm just now watching this a day late. Hats off to you the reproduction is as good as your going to get with out all the innuendos involved "Original studio gear etc." great job I'm impressed!
Fantastic job in recreating such a fabulous and iconic tone (from a classic album). Quad-tracked . . . Wow. Who would have thought. Definitely makes sense to explain such a thick sound.
I've always liked the snarly guitar tone on this album, even if I wasn't a big fan of all their work.
The one thing I found lacking in the album was the bass guitar was just thinned out because of the focus on getting a heap of punch out of the kick drum. I ended up running this album through Ozone to boost the mid-bass in the EQ, then compress the low-end up to around the 220Hz mark with about 5dB boost and fast attack and release, add some harmonic excitation of that band as well and finally control whatever remaining peaks through the final limiter on reasonably fast settings too.
As a drummer, I should be biased and demand more kick but my head just loves a phat low end to complement such snarly guitars, so a compromise is needed. :) What you did with your rendition of this tune is exactly what my ears want. Killer stuff mate!
Great Vid man. I think you got real close to nailing it 100%. 👍
Great Tone, also I like how you balance the film volume between playing and talking i hate having to go back and forth with the volume bar. Very professional, and great tones!
This is so cool, man! Love it! thanks!
Amazing video Ryan. Thanks for the learning experience.
Enjoyed the video and the tones, good job 👏🏻 👏🏻👏🏻
Thanks for giving a lot of good details on how you made this tone.
Respect. Get the tone how you can. I don’t think I’d be able to get out of my mental box enough to get that experimental with the axe. Good work man
I remember reading somewhere that on the first two AIC records Dave would mic up the back of the speaker cabinet as well as the front to make the guitars sound even larger. Great tone, super close
I can really appreciate the work you put into this quest to find that tone, awesome job breaking this down very interesting for sure you are good at this.
Right on man. That's the tone and vibe brother. AMAZING VIDEO!!!!!!!!!!
Love the video man! IMO you nailed it...
Great work, man! First time viewer. Really enjoyed it! Thank u for sharing.
Sounds great! Awesome job!
Love your videos fluff ❤️❤️ they’re just so cozy
You got damn near spot on. As we say in the mechanic's world, "run what you brung and hope you brung enough!" Good job bud.
Sounds Killer dude! and the tone is bang on!! Rock on
Love this video, man. Liked and Subscribed.
Great video! I love the tone you arrived at.
Fluff my dude I loved your "all the toys are awesome" speech. On every level. Killer.
Pretty cool man. Nice work. Thanks too!
In my humble opinion that finished tone wasn't even close.. I ate and drank that cd for years and the tones are tattooed on my brain.. lol
here you go. ua-cam.com/video/hrauekAtjDw/v-deo.html
@@davidyates8880 Quite a bit more high-end on the OG tracks
They were highly subdued on the album in my opinion. They were regressed further into the track vs the tone that he was actually seeking to represent. If you boosted the tracks from Jerry’s playing it would be nailed.
I agree, I mean, I had like 15 AIC shirts, my nickname in HS was Alice Sickman I was such a psycho fan,lol, and just pummeled my ears to death with this record..his tone on this record is VERY UNIQUE. MAY ALSO have something to do with the fact I heard he had a cab mic"ed from the BACK,an open back cab and a mic in the dead center of the back. I believe Jerry said this himself,and one was a Marshall nodded by Bogner. I wouldnt even attempt to recreate the tone cuz theres too much going on in the studio..but I didnt think his tone matched AT ALL.im not doggin him, I think it's awesome he loves the record so much too...but trying to recreate Jerry's Dirt tone is just impossible...one of a kind..
I agree. It’s missing the thud. You only get that by micing the back of an open cab which they definitely did for Jerry.
Really cool! That tone is huge and you came pretty close. The hard word paid off! Waiting for a Ghost - Meliora tones! Keep up the great content Fluff!
SO good!!! Yes, Dirt was a masterpiece! Keep these coming please. Some Soundgarden next perhaps???
Yea ,Badmotorfinger
4th of July!
Beelzebubba817 I second 4th of July
When this video started I was about to comment and tell you you can get his exact tone with the AxeFx lol. You nailed it. Nice job man
Great video by the way. I love the tone on Dirt.
Thank you SOOOOOO Much!!! Great video Bro!!!
Awesome video one of my favourite albums! I'm starting to get into recording with Cubase and using amp simulation so its really cool to see this video 😄🎸
Your voice is identical to Bert Kreischer. 😂
BRUH
Holy shit. I just realized that. He absolutely does. Lol
The Machine!
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jesus christ 😂👀👀👀
Great work. Would LOVE to hear what tones you were getting with the real amps. Especially compared to the afx.
I remember reading an interview from jerry when dirt came out. He used three amps for different frequencies. Rectifier was used solely only the lowend , Marshall for midrange and the Tom sholtz rockman for the highs. Sounds massive when you assign specific heads for specific frequencies. Somewhere his bogner fish preamp and vht power amp was fitted in there as well.
That sounds amazing 🤘
Sounded awesome! I liked your personality in your playing too!
Hi Fluff, big AIC and Jerry fan here. Been waiting a long time for this video! You nailed it!
Would you like to recreate Dime's Reinventing the Steel guitar tone?
I love this, keep it up
Great video man. Always loved jerrys saturated tone!
Sounds great, well done sir! 👍👍
The fact that you got so close to his tone with digital amps is damn impressive. It sounds great!
I got to see them play parts of Dirt live, for free, in a basketball auditorium just prior to the album release.
Felt pretty special.
Make more of these!!! This was fucking awesome.
One of the best albums to come out of the 90’s!!! I played it until the lacquer melted of of my cd!!! 🤘🤘🤘 RIP Layne...
Great job Fluff! I think you 100% nailed the Crunch tone but that contrasting trebly Cord needs more high end i think... Jerry is such a master, you almost need three different rigs!
Awesome vid Fluff, no derogatory comments here. I can get really close with my Bogner, Friedman, Splawn, and KSR Orthos. Lots of reverb on that track but you don’t really hear it too much on the studio version. Really enjoy your stuff!
Whoa! I thought you weren't going to do that one? Nice! Thanks man!
12:07 without the plugins- is the only time in this video I thought the tone was really close.
Every other time in the video- I doesn't sound close at all, in my opinion.
Good video either way :)
Trying to decide on a new amp. You have sold me on digital. Thanks for the video.
Had to like before I even watched, but WILL watch later(soon!).👍
Nice! I also had just started playing guitar when Dirt came out, and some of the first songs I ever learned were from this album. Probably my favorite tone from Jerry Cantrell though has to be the heavy part in Acid Bubble - so nasty!
This couldn’t be better timing, I have been learning the entire album during quarantine 🤟
pretty damn close! nice work. DIRT is a fucking epic album
Great video man. Must have taken you a while. Iv’e was on the hunt for this tone a few years back. And the trick is that one of the speakers was recorded from behind the cabinet. With the back of the cabinet open. That gave is that rich low end. And the rectifier was a modded pre-production model. So you won’t get the same sound out of a modern rectifier. Anyways sweet vid and keep em coming!
You're essentially creating a model of a tone so using a modeling rig for that isn't blasphemy. I think it's cool! As long as you're using something to make music and it sounds good, I don't think the amp matters. Being a hardcore tube amp guy, I think all amps and really any kind of guitar gear have their place.
It’s pretty cool timing that you’re doing this now because I’ve just recently gotten into this album and love the tone. It sounds so fucking gnarly and fat. It’s really the first metal I’ve ever been into and I’ve enjoyed plenty of heavy and fat tones over the years but this is different than anything I’ve heard because it’s proper metal (and because they had so many rhythm tracks on each songs). But before I knew they recorded that many, I was like, “Dude it totally sounds like Mesa to me.” Well, I was partly right lol. Anyway, great video. I think you got really really close and it sounds killer man.
Cool vid..I'm new to playing guitar, going thru the frustration period ha!!! Alice is by FAR my fav ba d, Soundgarden close second
Great video man. It´s my favorite album tone ever! I got very close too with my Headrush Pedalboard, stereo chain, soldano left, jcm right. Tube screamer in front of both, little room reverb. My goal was to create that damn whole tone only with one guitar. I used a ESP Eclipse and EMG 81. A lot of time picking cabs and IRs kkkkk
this was a big album for me too! and also wore out a tape of it. Thanks a lotfor this one!
The Bogner Jerry Used on Dirt was actually a Marshall JCM800 2204 Modded by Reinhold Bogner (His mod can be acheived with either the Brown Channel of the Fish Preamp or his "recent" Helios amplifier)
Great video Fluff!
It sounds really good. Good job.
Dave Jerden interview about Dirt album, 1977:
"What are some of the techniques that you use to record guitars?"
On the first Alice in Chains record, Facelift. Jerry Cantrell and I had several amps, and were trying to find sounds on each one. I said, “Lets combine them.” Usually when you combine amps you end up with nothing but mud. But I came across the idea of using different amps for different frequency ranges. That could mean ,for example, using a Vox AC30 closed back for the low end, a Marshall or Bogner Ecstasy or a Mesa Boogie for the midrange, and then using something like a Bogner Fish preamp or Soldano preamp for the top end- something thast I could get a real hard bite from on top. I record those on separate tracks. They all go down at the same time, and then sometimes I double that.
"So the first set of three is one performance…….."
One performance. My Engineer Brian Carlstrom and I have been making our own active splitter boxes to help deal with hums, buzzes, and all that. The cable comes out of the guitar and the box splits the signal to the three amps. But I just did an album in the Bahamas last year at Terry Mannings studio (who is also a great engineer) and Terry invented an active splitter box with one in and six outs. It has ground lift switches to take care of grounding problems and it works like magic.
"And the whole point of having the box is so the pickups aren’t loaded down making the guitar sound different."
Exactly. Even the length of the guitar cable can kill the tone. When we’re doing basic tracks, the guitar and bass players are in the control room with the amp heads, and this makes the leads shorter. Keeping the guitar leads short is important because long leads can really take down the high end.
"Do you have particular mics that you use for the three amp set-up?"
The mainstay for me has been the Shure SM57. We always keep relatively new ones around and we front and back mic open back cabinets with them. I also use AKG C12’s for pulling out the room sound a little bit, or Neumann U47’s or U49’s are great mics for the room. But I don’t tale a $10,000 mic and put it right on a Marshall cabinet. A 57 will get the sound for me.
"How much of the mix is there between the close and distant mics?"
Probably 20 percent room as opposed to the close mic, and those mics go down to the same track.
"When using the multiple amp technique, do the amps go into separate areas or into one room?"
There’s two set-ups that I use: one is for basic tracks and the other is for overdubs. When I am doing the basic track, I am not sire if it is going to be a keeper, so I will isolate the guitar and bass amps from the drum room. But, when I actually do guitar overdubs, we pull all of the guitar cabinets ( the heads always stay in the control room) out in the main room and then I have the option of using room mics on them too.
"When you mic the front and back of an open back amp, are you generally using a 57 in front and a 57 in back?"
It can be a 57 or sometimes I use 421’s. Sometimes it’s a 57 in front and a 421 in back. It varies.
The rest of the article :
-About the tracking. All guitars and bass were recorded through 24 channels of Summit Tube pres (assembled by Rupert Neve himself), and Summit Tube compressors with a ratio of 4:1 knocking back 6 db. Cut flat to tape. (the SSL was used only for monitoring at this stage. Eqing was done at mixdown) All DI's and mics are compressed together.
-The SM57 (for guitars) is placed at a 45 degree angle. Dave says at this position the mic acts like a cardoid and doesn't collapse the capsule when placed in front of a Marshall at 120db. Gives him a certain sound that he likes. (When using the rear mics, make sure to flip the phase.)
-He also discussed the eqing of his three amp technique at mixdown. This is where the SSL board eq was used to fine tune the bandwidth of the three amps. It was: bass: amp, low pass only 300 Hz; mid amp: 300 Hz - 4K cut; high amp: 4k- 8k cut.
Great content bro I have moved over to the digital realm myself with the DV Mark multiamp! And I won’t look back it’s just everything I need and live or in my studio it’s everything in one! Oh and having 500 Stereo watts At my disposal ain’t bad either!🤘🏻
Your tone is great, keep it on bruh.
Nice bro, took me back. Sounds killer sir.
Yesssss! Well done sir
Jerry's playing on that album is amazing I mean truly amazing his bands everything as much as lanes voice hits you Jerry's guitar is just as important
Great job!
1 I loved Dirt, one of my all time favourite albums. 2 I have no interest in recreating the guitar toune myself. But I watched this knowing it was going to be simply interesting and informative. Fluff, thank you for the time and effort you put into the content for us and for this video. I was in awe watching you work the software! Again not something I would do, but genuinely interesting and a pleasure to watch and amazing results too. Thanks.
That sir, is a top job. Well done.
Aic guitars are always so thick and heavy,Jerry’s a guitar god for sure! Great job very close to the dirt tone🤘
This sounds so badass, and I totally couldnt tell it was software. great tone fluff!
Fluff’s mixing my next album 👍🏻
Great job 🤘🏻🤘🏻
it was a great video...The mystery of the Bogner amp might have something to do with a Bogner rack Preamp that was used prior too the release (or development) of the Friedman sig amp. I think there was a video on the Premier guitar channel. I'm not 100% sure.
Hey Fluff! I know it's a bit of a stretch but it would be super cool if you started tone capturing these rigs for the Mooer GE-300 community. Everybody shows the fractal and helix a bunch of love but forgets about us ge300 guys! Great channel by the way, been a fan for a long time.
Great playing and tone and have seen Jerry state on an interview the 1rst two albums were cut using a Bogner modified Marshall 800?! Anyways great tone!
Love it, I’m curious if there’s any other tones your eager to tap into and have you thought about a series examining guitar tone of famous players off your favorite albums? Since you’ve got a really great ear for how they likely or actually came up with the tone...I think if you made a short series examining famous rock/metal tone people like me would eat it up! Logistically so you’d still royalties from your videos and not demonetized you could tell them to go listen to the album pause it and come back at the intro. You wouldn’t have to play a song but just talk about what amps and so forth as well as techniques they used. Just an idea. Your always my best part of Monday regardless.
Good job bro!
I absolutely love your videos brother and I saw a piece of information from the studio that may help a little.. They used a mic on the back of the cabinet for that heavy thump you hear in the recording. However I cant remember what mic they used.. Hope you find this useful...
Love Alice in Chains! Keep up the great work, Fluff!