The Fremont, Ancient Farmers of the Far Northern Southwest
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- Опубліковано 30 січ 2017
- On November 13, 2016, James R. Allison presented "The Fremont, Ancient Farmers of the Far Northern Southwest."
For about 1,000 years, ancient Fremont farmers lived across most of what is now Utah, growing maize and other cultigens as far north as the northeastern shore of the Great Salt Lake. Over the last century, Fremont archaeologists have at times emphasized connections with the Greater Southwest, and at other times de-emphasized them. The extent to which Fremont groups were influenced by the Southwest remains controversial, but recent research indicates that as the Chaco system expanded into the northern San Juan region, Fremont populations grew dramatically, and the nature of Fremont life was transformed. - Наука та технологія
Great presentation of my favorite ancient americsn culture! Thank you!
Yep, the Unita is cold. I was working on the Reservation in 1978 and it was 14º F on Labor Day. I loved looking at the Sego Petroglyphs and the old Sego town site.
Uinta?
Thank you for your presentation and the efforts behind the scenes to produce it! I grew up in Southern Utah and have always had a keen interest in the Anasazi people, now called Ancestral Puebloan.
Dad tried to grow corn on the north slope of a hill near there… didn’t work. Neighbors across the valley had a corn lot triangled by asphalt, grew lots of corn.
asphalt would gather/store heat. and corn loves heat, including their roots.
Terrific
Thank you
Great work! Thank you
Fascinating, would love to see more documentaries and lectures about the Fremont. This is the first real good one I've found. I've seen thousands of their rock art pieces but know very little about them.
You might enjoy Simms' and Grohier's excellent book, Traces of Fremont
@@bigjimponder9183 Thank you, I'll definitely check that out.
Grief for the disturbed burials...
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Far northern south west... where is this again.....lol...
I would like to see climate data correlated on the population timeline graphs.when it gets cold crops fail. when it gets dry crops fail. famine follows and reduces populations and or moves people to better places if theres room or they make it. the main thing being that the climate does vary over the timeline mentioned. the houses look oriented for solar gain in the winter and to minimise summer sun? the last village with all the rooms- could they be raised or protected garden beds?
15;00 dating wood, esp. beam wood, would throw you off by 500 years or more, easy. my grandad cut first growth pine and used it on his cabin: easy over 500 years old. even on the coastal forest in BC (dry, interior, just inland) pine that was cleared I stopped counting at 650 years old.
Why is ALL THE PICTOGRAPHS IN THE SOUTH?
At 45:16 when he says "Key-o-wa" did he mean Kiowa? The Yellowstone and southern plains would fit Kiowa...pronounced "Ki-oh-wa"
Yes. The Kiowa language is related to the languages spoken by modern pueblos along the Rio Grande. Ortman has hypothesized the link was Fremont.
If ya go far enough north... you not in the SW, anymore.......
You’re right. But at the same time, distances were not a problem for civilizations ancient or modern. There is no “boundary” for what the “southwest” can be. We only categorize this region as the “southwest”. People were mobile and will always be mobile.
A modest suggestion: why not stop describing sites as "not very exciting", "not a village", and instead talk about what they ARE.
Just push dead trees over... or father kindling to start a tree on fire 🔥
I just took a dna 🧬 test and I’m 27% north central and south Native American... anyone have an ideas???
They did have axe's what are you talking about I've found lots of them hand axe's and ones that would be fixed to handles in the sanrafel.
Aztec be for mexico?
Have you ever questioned your assumption that builders had to be COERCED to build?
Slave societies are actually really expensive, if they had slaves, they’d probably all have much larger houses, storage, just more of everything I mean, think of what ever other slave society did and had. These guys weren’t that.
He literally did? He said they could have been "convinced" as one possibly. Damn peeps really love making stuff up & getting mad about it.
@@riffdenbow9055 I'm the "peep" you're talking about. I have experience in this culture of people trying to "convince" me to do what they wanted me to do. It's a stage of "making" people do those things. As a historian who also studied archeology, I observe many forms of coercion in this culture and the assumptions of virtually all archeologists and historians that large societies had to be stratified and coercive. Just challenging that. I do hate easy and patriarchal assumptions, so many of which I've seen at least modified over the years, and this man's assumptions will be too.
@@helenhunter4540 extremely good evidence that ancestral pueblo world during pueblo 2 & 3 was very strongly stratified. Pueblo & Navajo oral history backs this up too. Not an assumption.
The picture of this UA-cam look like the rocks found in RedRock State Park!
Sometimes I think y'all fudge your data on us Indigenous people, because our stories talk about things far older than your timelines.
How many Turtle Islanders are with me on this. Especially since a dig in my Heiltsuk territory data shows we've been there at least 15000 years and the dig continues.
These bold assertions that come and go seemingly every year now about our origins as indigenous people are tied to the ego in western academia that places ‘credit’ or glory in short words upon the discoverer. What you you get is bunch of ego maniacs with no ties to the culture and land making ridiculous assertions about things they could have asked the locals about, and they get more ridiculous by the year now. Even In the last decade I’ve seen Afrocentrism and Eurocentric ideals attempt to erode the idea and dignity of American accomplishments away from indigenous Americans.
@Evan Hodge I don’t owe you an explanation punk. I’d sooner owe a bum on the street
I tend to agree with these assertions ! Thank you for sharing. 🌽🌶🍅🍆🏜🌈💖
At least 15k, academics are book bound beings based on something they call evidence, problem is their evidence is scant at best plus they do not like changing their minds of narrative, and they surely don/t care to listen to ours.
You were given maps, and the only way those maps were drafted, was during colonization which, is later than 1830.
@Evan Hodge Not likely, it is a fact. They knew where to dig. My documentary is entitled, "The Fields of These People". I'm currently editing and will be submitting to Sundance Film Festival.
@Evan Hodge Not at all angry. I got over that. I was joining not just this group but some from it, working on my documentary at my friend's property (who I've known since 9 yrs old). Disappointed? YES! It was crazy! The removal of bones which, I decided to follow, just to make a few statements about why and how I know.
It was the Rest of land where all the tribes endet on their escape of the white men !
need to see non white non academics discussing this. period.
What does the color of someones skin have to do with your knowledge or qualifications to talk about this. Thats some ridiculous and racist logic there. And if they were not academics, then they probably dont know what they are talking about. Your talking about just ethnography, folklore, oral history stuff. It has its place, but cant alone be taken as credible or even remotely accurate. It has been show native oral history is typically extremely inaccurate and more modern then they like to think. In fact, its extremely unlikely any native american beliefs and history are not syncretic mixes post-contact. Ie, while they existed in these lands for thousands of years, almost everything about their culture is entirely modern and created after contact with europeans with some survivals but hard to determine their legitimacy. This is why you gotta goto the archeological evidence, and why academics are necessary. Stories are just that, stories, not reality.
You must be a minority. Educated and qualified has nothing to do with ethnicity. You view is racist and very uneducated.