i think people are sleeping on how big of an improvement edvinsson is gonna be. Our defense will still be our weakest position group, but I still think it’s better than last year.
I think pll are way over estimating his impact on the team. If he has a season as good as Walman did last year it would be considered an excellent season for a rookie defense man.
that's the problem. you won't get Kane for a full year. you'll get Kane stuck in the mud and unable to play offense bc he won't have Cat or Larkin. he'll have JT Compher and the older less dynamic defense first version of Tarasenko. Pat could barely play offense last year when him and Cat were centered by Compher. now swap out Cat for a much less dynamic offensive player (in his current version anyway). Lalonde is robbing Wings fans of what should have been at least one glorious season of Kane DeBrincat Larkin lighting it up on a line together and playing highlight reel hockey. Kane will struggle to do anything w those 2 linemates. he will get very frustrated very quickly. the team will likely be bad. but he will maybe get even more frustrated if the team somehow steals wins during it. i foresee the team being really awful if he doesn't get real linemates. and i foresee him demanding a trade. Lalonde has ruined what could have been a really cool special season for the Wings and their fans. and Yzerman has allowed him to. Lalonde should be fired after this season goes how it's going to go. and Yzerman should be put on notice. to add injury to insult, Kane this year is trying to make the Olympic team w his play. something very important. and Lalonde is doing everything he can to make him look horrible. Kane's also trying to get to 500 goals (needs 29) and the US points record (needs 91). what this coach is doing is basically a mortal sin for a hockey coach. he's robbing everyone but Lucas Raymond.
@@georgial6398 I expect Kane will get time with Larkin, unless you know something I don’t know I expect lalonde to shuffle a bit. If cat and Raymond aren’t clicking all the way he will switch it up. PP will be fun. I hate our centermen by the way. I don’t like Rasmussen but at least his size and speed and forecheck would make him interesting. Compher though he has his moments, is frustrating to watch. We need someone to fetch and keep possession on that line, we have a lot of guys that are slow and weak on the puck. I wish they’d retire copp from the planet. Here we are again, small, skilled, lacking jam. A lot to be hopeful for tho.
@@georgial6398 watch how you talk about yzerman, and don’t expect a crybaby frustrated attitude out of Kane. You’re a fan, don’t be miserable about the team, enjoy to the best of your possibility.
The lack of top 3 picks during the rebuild window is honestly really shining through, especially on offense… Obviously the Wings have some really good pieces with Larkin, Raymond and Dbrincat but they lack that true alpha superstar that you can basically only get through the draft (they rarely come available through trade or free agency) They don’t have that McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Crosby caliber player up front which has really slowed the rebuild… Im not out on the Wings but I think that lack of lottery luck kinda forces the Wings to play the waiting game I think they’ll be a very good team in a few years but they have to wait for Edvinsson, Cossa, Danielson, Sandin-Pelikka, Kasper, Wallinder, Nygaard etc. to break into their potential to create a team dripping with depth scoring and or leverage that for big trades (think Vegas, Stanley cup Kings etc.)
@@aksis2133 he was a 2nd round pick (it’s easy to confuse him with Kaprizov who was a 5th round pick) but even so, it’s hardly a hole in the argument because of the luck it takes the draft stars past the first few picks and the lack of stars overall outside of that spot (how many stars come from outside the top few picks? Has there even been 10 since 2010? You can’t build a team hoping for that)
If they had a player at the level of McDavid and Larkin could play 2C the offense would be on a whole other level, maybe one of the best in the league. But that still doesn’t change how horrendous the defense is
@@masterbaiters1183 Ok. You said no top 3 picks. Let’s list some players that aren’t top 3 picks just for shits and giggles. - Kucherov - Kaprizov - Point - Marner - M. Tkachuk - B. Tkachuk - Fox - Makar - Rantanen - J. Robertson - Vasilevskiy - Pastrnak - Marchand - Bergeron - Q. Hughes - EP40 - Bouchard - McAvoy - Aho - Reinhart - Nylander I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point - and I didn’t even include goalies. There is always elite talent outside of the top 3. It’s just a question of whether or not your scouts are good enough to find them, and while Detroit’s future is decent they’ve missed on a lot of potential big names that other teams were able to find.
@@aksis2133 A lot of the guys you listed here clearly fit “the first few picks” (The Tkachuk’s, Makar, Marner, Hughes, EP40, McAvoy, Nylander and Reinhart were in that range) I responded to your point about Kucherov being a 2nd round pick, I didn’t argue it’s hard to get stars past the top 3 but in the top 10, rather that the top 3 is the best spot to get top end guys I’m not sure who’ve they “missed on” if you’re talking about their early picks… Seider and Raymond were either the or close to the best player available, Edvinsson is right around the best player available from that class considering his prospect status and 2022 and 2023 was a lot of the same offensively with limited great players when Detroit drafted (although it’s pretty early to tell)… Later on it’s a crapshoot… Scouts can only discover so much about day 2 or 3 guys
If Detroit had better lottery results, we'd be moving much better into contention. People need to trust the YzerPlan. He is eyeing long-term. Plus, the prospect cabinet was left bare chasing a meaningless record. Chill. Development is trending up.
Every. Single. Year. Every year, there's an army of people trying to lecture other Wings fans about "trusting the plan" and how "the cupboard was bare" when Yzerman took over and how things are trending up. Last year's underlying metrics are a real cause for concern, not because the team was losing but because of how much winning they did when they shouldn't have. Their shooting % collapsed, like it inevitably was going to, and there were only poor defensive fundamentals and bad goal tending left to go on. There's plenty to be optimistic about but the ceiling on this team long term is worryingly low.
Two of the drafts we got screwed in gave us Raymond and Seider though, who kbows if the better picks we could have had really would have made us better
If Buffalo had better lottery luck then they'd be moving much better. You can say that about every single rebuilder. If Yzerman's plan is based on getting a top 3 pick every time Detroit shits the bed, then the yzerplan was dead in the water before it started
As a wings fan i completely agree with you. Expectations around the league are way too high for detroit. I understand that its frustration for wings fans because weve been out of the playoffs for 8 years but Stevey Y has only been a part of this team for the last 5. A lot his prospects arent even in the NHL yet. Most of the guys on our team right now are just placeholders for all our young guys. Give it a little time and be patient for like 2 more years and we'll be making the playoffs consistently and easily.
The top 6 will be better than last, so the power play should improve as well. The defense will be a question mark. At the end of the day, theyd probably be a guaranteed playoff team if they were still out west instead of in the hardest division in hockey.
the top 6 will be garbage. the 2nd line will not score at all. Kane and Cat could barely score or generate anything w Compher, but Tarasenko for Cat will somehow make it better? no, they won't score. at all. Kane can't play w Compher. and the 'top line' gives up a ton, runs hot and cold, and over the long haul does not significantly outscore opponents, or didn't last year. so far this preseason they're losing 3-0. losing high danger chances 8-1. they are sacrificing Kane and the entire season to help Lucas Raymond.
Atlantic is only division where i could see any team miss playoffs or get to playoffs. Ofc its very unlikely Florida or Toronto would miss but other has two very long seasons behind and other has new coach and Marner situation. Also Buffalo, Detroit or Ottawa can become next NJD 22-23 or VAN 23-24 that surprises all and gets huge jump. And Montreal has enough potential to get to wild card spot if everything goes well. Time will tell.
They need more defense! If they want to reach their objective Yzerman has to be active in trades/FA signings, because they won't get too far with only one very good d-man (Seider)
As an Avs fan who watched Compher for years, you are right. He is a great addition to any team, but not in the top 6. Compher excels in the third line. Avs fans generally seemed to agree that what Detroit pays to Compher is simply too much. But I still I expect Detroit to make it to playoffs. And I didn't just put them in my yearly predictions, I put the second in their division and expected them to also win 1 round of playoffs. You are also right the Atlantic is one tough division. I think Atlantic is by far the toughest division currecntly, as there is not really any bad teams. Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit are teams on the rise trying to get out of a rebuild and all possible playoff teams. Florida and Toronto are expected to be playoff locks again. Boston and Tampa are getting old and likely getting close to a decline, but both teams could again be playoff contenders. This is why I had to leave montreal to be be the last in the division, as while their team looks to be getting pretty good, they simply have a damn tough competition around them. And then there came the news about Laine injury.
We have a solid team, yzerman keeps making small incremental improvements, he’s trying to build something that’s going to last, I’m still not putting stock into playoffs until we see more yzerman prospects make the lineup, yzerman is still being aggressive in signing veterans in free agency and imo it’s because he still hasn’t had a chance to see his vision, and he’s had a lot of bad luck in getting good draft positions, and he’s already built the team up to the point where we will probably no longer be guaranteed a top 10-15 spot in the draft, which means progress is being made, we have a lot of good prospects, and things are slowly falling into place, I mean we were in the playoff hunt until the literal last minute of the season last season, as heartbreaking as it is that is a sign of progress for this team, and I feel it’s only going to get better. We have good reasons to be optimistic.
Red WIngs had one, if not THE longest dynasty of a championship contender between 1994-2012 to never miss the play-offs and from 1994-2010 in the same process was regarded as a possible title challanger was astonishing. Having had the dark years of the late 70's to the early 90's Red Wings had a great swing with solid draft picks that bult the supporting frame for the franchise combined with great trades of solid veterans and/or players others did not regarded valuable. And even then in the late 90's during there championship run's they get two solid late-picks (Datsuyk & Zetterberg), players of tallent calibre who should´been out of reach for them if others had taken them serious. However, what comes up must come down. 1-by-1 each of these left the franchise and/or hockey all togheter and what was left was no core. This is the natural process for all great dynasties, it was just that Red Wings in modern times had it for so unusually long. When there dynasty ended about 2010 and from there on, I realized that the Red Wings will have at least a dark decade of rebuilt based on the former GM mentality, but also that such level of deep tallent pool they had is impossible to get again for ANY team, that if they try to "live-on" as a dynasty in mind, they will miss out of higher draft picks and the process will be dragged on to further delaying the long rebuilt. Steve Yzerman is a great leader and a great GM, but making a new TP Lightning sucsess is TO MUCH demanding.
I watched Soderblom play all last year in GR and he is most certainly nowhere near being NHL ready. He was playing with and against a bunch of plugs last night.
almost every team in the division got better this offseason and/or their prospect are expecting to take the next step so its gonna be really hard to make the playoffs for the rebuilding teams
Johansson is looking really good in the pre season. He should be able to be really solid on the bottom pair. Who knows maybe work his way higher up in the lineup throughout the season.. But that definitely would be hard as a rookie defenseman
I don't think they're making it with this coach. Their work ethnic is not consistent enough every game as it needs to be. The roster also didn't improve enough as it needed to be. Ottawa, Buffalo, New Jersey are all going to be good. We'll see.
They are a fringe playoff team... Unfortunately Honestly... The way they have drafted etc... It sure seems like this team is meant to hit its stride next season.. It sucks because its been a rough long while for us Wings fans but to me the writing is on the wall that things start to fall into place next season. Some bad yet unnecessary (to get this team out of the basement) contracts Yzerman had to hand out will start to roll off the books and guys like Danielson, Kasper, ASP, MBN, Cossa and Augustine coming down the pipe. So long story short.... This team starts legitimately contending next season. Heard it here first.
Agreed. I've said it all summer: there will be rookies and therefore there will be regression. Can't have one without the other. Additionally, many of our higher rated prospects won't be on the team (or even in the States) for another year or two. I'm good with this because I expected the rebuild to take plus-or-minus 10 years, and because I have seen improvement every year since 2019.
you said you don't expect them to take off this year "like everyone's expecting them to" and I would heavily disagree that most people are expecting them to take off. Most pundits and fans agree this might be very similar if not slightly worse than last year.
I’m nervous too, defense and goaltending will be an issue. Kane feels his what in years and likes playing with Tarasenko. Hopefully we see minor improvements on defense and offense remains dangerous.
Per Moneypuck, last season at 5 on 5, the Redwings were 28th in xGoals% 28th in Corsi% 29th in Fenwick% 30th in xGoals for (8th in goals for) 28th in x goal differential 1st in goals for above expected (14 more than second place) 2nd in shooting% on shots on goal 1st in shooting% on unblocked shots 1st in shooting% all shots 31st in high danger shots for 30th in medium danger shots for I’d be incredibly surprised if the Red Wings don’t regress quite a bit offensively, and I can’t really say the defense or goaltending really improved.
Wings might sneak in, but so what. They still aren't even close to winning a series. Next year is when things need to start happening as the books will be cleared of some boat anchor contracts and Yzerman will need to do some real GMing to fix the D
Man..not gonna lie. That lineup looks thin, especially down the middle. There is a clear lack of high calibre young talent. The vets are a short term patch on an otherwise botched rebuild attempt, sorry to say. I wish them all the best but I don't see in what universe this core wins a cup.
@@jakerain2820 Like I said. If the redwings had been a little more patient and didn't sign so many vets to move up quickly in the standings, they may have had one or two franchise altering pieces, possibly in the top 5 of the draft. I'm not optimistic they can compete for a cup with this core but I wish them all the best though. I love the wings franchise. They were my favourite team as a kid.
The Walman trade makes sense to me because we had a done deal on the table for Trouba but he vetoed it. Obv Yzerman didn’t think he would do that or he wouldn’t have wasted time and resources putting together the deal. Sometimes sh!t just happens.
I was at the game yesterday and the rookie forwards all looked really good. Kasper, Mazur, Danielson… MBN is probably gonna be a beast too. I think they need to stop with the old “veteran” forwards and let the kids come up and play. I’d rather get worse record-wise and have them play at a higher level since most of them are ready. What’s really concerning is the defense, because we have Mo/Edvinsson and that’s about it for the future. ASP has extremely high potential as an offensive defenseman but we need some behemoths who can actually play D. The wings have to be top 5 weakest defenses in the league not only by defenseman but just as a team playing in their D zone, and no goalie is going to want to play here with that.
what old 'veteran' forwards would you like them to stop with, exactly? Copp and Compher are signed thru doomsday. the good prospect forwards are centers.
If the wings played more consistent hockey in the later months last season they’d be in the playoffs no problem. They completely fell apart and had 2 6+ game losing streaks earlier in the season. That just can’t happen. I’m not too worried but our division is tough. Players simply need to step up. I think Edvinsson is gonna take a huge leap this year which will help out our defense.
Still not convinced Lalonde is a good coach, some of his lineups are questionable at best and he’s misusing Seider by always putting him against the toughest assignments. With that said they still might make the last wild card spot if Larkin doesn’t miss a ton of games like last year and the rest of the team can stay healthy.
Hi, I'm Nobody Important in Hamilton. The Read Wings played over their heads last season. A bettor would have made money by simpling betting the Wings to win each and every game. Considering how unfair the odds are with legal sportsbooks that is saying a lot. it is better than 60%. This year the will do worse only because you cannot expect 2 years in a row of elevated play.
I have been a wings fan for almost 65 years. My thoughts will be that we need a second pair RD. Petry and Holl don't cut. I believe a trade is needed and my feeling try and bring in a guy like Ramus Andersson from Calgary.
Weegr or Anderss would be great for them, or C.Fowlr of Ana, Carrier of Nash, Pelech of NYi, Troub of NYr, Parayk of StL, Ruuta or Ferrar of SJ, Chychr of Was, or Pionk of Wpg. One of those guy would carry Detroit a long way.
Good luck to your Red Wings I think they will be competitive and maybe im bias but i think my Sabres will make the playoffs over them. I'm optimistic based off our preseason going 6-1 new coach better depth lots of talented skilled players at all positions with the proper coaching from ruff this should be a playoff team.
My expectations are on par with what they were last year, but looking at some of our young hot shots over this preseason I could see a few pushing roster spot and potentially being disturbingly deadly.. like Nate Danielson and Casper.. Casper definitely
I think it’s more likely they end up with more points than last year, but the amount of points it will take to get in the playoffs will be higher this year as well. That said, just relax and enjoy the ride dude.
Husso had a fantastic stretch two years ago then fizzled out. Then last year he got a bunch of injuries. Lyon had a fantastic stretch last year then fizzled out. Not only do I not understand the concerns on Husso, but the confidence in Lyon is also too rapid. Husso obviously rushed back too quickly on multiple occasions. He's had the summer to recover and even just had an absolutely fantastic outing against Pittsburgh's A-squad in the pre-season. Lyon, Talbot and Husso could be a legitimate trio who cycle through 30ish games each this season. The goaltending is a definitive upgrade over last year, non-debatable. That being said, I am still nervous for the forward and d-core structure. I don't understand why so many people are nervous about the goaltending, but the d-core and forwards are much more concerning.
@@Perkele-u5k how you’re concluding this already is impressive. I guess we will see. My bet is they’re going into the season with 3. Husso/Talbot split early time and Lyon picks up a few games here and there. Cycling through all three.
I don't know how anyone can predict them to be a playoff team. They have the worst goalie tadem in the league with Lyon and Talbot. The defense is not good: Chiarot and Petry are only getting worse, Edvindsson lacks experience and Gustafsson isn't very good defensively. Seider can't do everything on his own. The offense will be great but they won't be able to always outscore the other team. Questionable defense in front of bad goaltending is a recipe for disaster. But it's hockey, anything can happen. If Talbot can get hot in the 1st half like last year, Lyon could get hot the moment Talbot gets cold. This season will rely on goaltending for the Red Wings. If they don't get a miracle in net, they're screwed.
Last year’s Red Wings remind me of my 2022-23 Sabres where they rocked on offense but had terrible defense and goaltending. So I do expect some regression like we did the next year. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but it very well can.
Im just glad they aren't the laughing stock. We may not have a Stanley Cup team but they aren't so bad they are eliminated from contention in late February.
I’m kind of hoping they do bad and we end up selling as many veterans as possible and HOPEFULLY are able to get a top 3 pick, it’s unfair how teams like Chicago, New Jersey, San Jose and even the Rangers were able to make top 3 picks within 3 years of each other and we’ve never gotten one in my lifetime (I’m 24)
The ONLY guys SY will be able to move at the deadline without needing to attach picks to are Kane and Tarasenko. He's gonna have to forfeit two years worth of draft selections just to move on from the corpse of Jeff Petry.
I truly think that Yzerman is buying time for either Cossa or Augustine to develop into the guy. Bith show promise, but they arent ready as of yet that we know of to take on the full time starter role.
I watched them try to force a wildcard spot for years before finally missing the playoffs. I want to see them contend. I’m patient. Yzerman continuing the trend of bad contracts for mid players out of their prime worries me for sure, tho
Without injuries and illness Wings make Playoffs. If Debrincat can do what he is paid to, Wings make the Playoffs. Full season of Kane. Raymond to hit new level. Maybe better deployment of Seider. Expectations definitely high.
Larkin himself is a second line center. Tendies are trash and the Defense is even worse. I’ll keep holding out hope for the Yzerplan and maybe in 2027 we’ll have the best tendy tandem in the league with Cossa and Augustine.
Wings have so many haters still its funny. We get it you are still a little jealous of our long success but the team has been trash long enough so lay off it.
Gustafsson is not good defensively, Edvinsson lacks experience and Petry and Chiarot are getting worse every year. Seider can't do everything on his own. For this D core to be good they need a breakout season from Edvinsson, Petry to produce more offensively and Chiarot being at least average defensively.
What's your opinion on a possible trade for Swayman? He would definitely fix goaltending and partially fix the defense but considering how much it would cost and having 2 very good prospects in the system. I can see an argument for both sides
I swear, Rasmussen-Copp-Fischer wasn't a thing for that much of the season, and I know there were some nights when that line was absolutely hopeless and couldn't do anything. A few games in a short time span where they chipped in some offense is all people remember about that line. Still hoping Yzerman can move some extra pieces. If he could give a desperate team Holl and a goalie, that would free up 2 forward spots for Kasper and Mazur.
It's an upgraded roster, but still not an impressive one. We're still a middling team, but as long as our goalies dont fall apart a low seed playoff spot should be attainable!
Don't know but it would need to include Kasper and Berggren for sure. Swayman is one of the best goalies in NHL. If you want him, you need to be ready to give some great prospect and more.
@@Perkele-u5k but boston has no leverage... and they gotta take on other plays salary to make room. Idk obviously im not great on predicting trade value lol
Unfortunately, most wings fan will not see this video and we’ll be stuck with more angry wings fan in every single instagram comment section calling for Lalonde and Stevie’s head 😐
Stay the course with GM and coach. I don't care about how they did last year using a bunch of rentals. I care more about how they do with the core that is in place and the young guys coming up to join it. Agree about Walman, wish they had kept him. Otherwise its time to have the prospects move in and take a couple of spots on the roster and pray Cossa is soon a top goalie in the NHL. Culture is important. I don't want to be a talent laden team the under-performs. We don't have enough generational talent for that anyway. I don't want to be a perpetual playoff team that never gets far like Minnesota. So we need a great culture that gets the most of the talent it has. And great goal-tending.
if they had Kane Cat Larkin as top line they would have won that game in a rout. and would make the playoffs or fight for them. instead yes they will be garbage this year. only good part is maybe Lalonde gets fired for it. anybody who messes w Kane's career like this should get canned. Gallant did, Lalonde should too.
Our D not even close to good enough. I wish we'd have tried to tank a few more years instead of signing all those vets. Let young guys play and get some more high draft pick talent in pipeline
Yes as wings fans we all should be worried...still not a playoff team especially in goal lol they got worse! I stopped drinking the yzerplan kool-aid a long time ago and tired of hearing the clowns on Woodward especially McCarty blindly glazing and sucking off his former teammate and captain like he's still on the roster. Almost 10 years into this rebuild and missing the playoffs mainly by their own doing and head scratching moves by yzerman. I'll say it...he got/gets way too much credit for his time in Tampa Bay...he walked into a lot of that as a lot of parts were already there and he low balled stamkos and funny enough they did it to him again this offseason. Yzerplan my ass...but when they miss the playoffs again I can't wait to see the apologists come out yet again blindly defend him and this team...still pretty much no D and piss poor goalies...seriously...Cam Talbot? HAHHAHAAAHAHAHA #deadwings not being a downer I'm just being realistic....the Atlantic division is a dog fight and ottawa and buffalo will be better and one of then likely will get a playoff spot and lets not forget at some point Larkin like always will go down again at some point and again his absence will kill this team at the worst possible time with debrincat being streaky and going cold as that's his game he will be hot then he goes too long without a goal etc. lol I love the wings always have but this team is not a playoff team expect more of the same of a streaky team but then getting dog walked by better teams and it will be ugly. Raymond isn't a 40 goal guy he's solid but he's not that guy i don't even think him and mo will finish out their deals here.
Imo they will make the playoffs because of how hungry and very motivated they are from how it ended last year. Due to this, I think they will "overperform". However, once they get that satisfaction, they will regress and not make the playoffs the following year, along with all of the young guys making the team. But from there, they will finally be progressing steadily, year by year, getting more and more rookies on the team.
@@cope847 i mean for the wings, just the way it happened last year makes all the difference. From pure elation to utter devistation in a matter of minutes.
This is definitely a pessimistic take on their upcoming season. I get that you’re trying to be realistic, but you got to have a little more faith. If they stay healthy and click as a unit, this team can squeeze into a playoff spot.
The team is going to be slightly worse than last year. Especially if there are injuries aka Larkin. Hes made of glass and when hes out our team is horrible because we have no centers.
i think people are sleeping on how big of an improvement edvinsson is gonna be. Our defense will still be our weakest position group, but I still think it’s better than last year.
and his chemistry with Petry at the end of last season made Petry play better
I think pll are way over estimating his impact on the team. If he has a season as good as Walman did last year it would be considered an excellent season for a rookie defense man.
Thats pretty high expectations for a rookie dman
It’s definitely not better, Walman is gone and Petry and chiarot are a year older
"their" not "our"
The Atlantic Division is the NHL's meanest dogfight I've ever seen. It's gonna be a long, but exciting year. Every divisional game is a must-see game.
Let’s just enjoy the privilege to watch Kane for a full year in the winged wheel
that's the problem. you won't get Kane for a full year. you'll get Kane stuck in the mud and unable to play offense bc he won't have Cat or Larkin. he'll have JT Compher and the older less dynamic defense first version of Tarasenko. Pat could barely play offense last year when him and Cat were centered by Compher. now swap out Cat for a much less dynamic offensive player (in his current version anyway).
Lalonde is robbing Wings fans of what should have been at least one glorious season of Kane DeBrincat Larkin lighting it up on a line together and playing highlight reel hockey. Kane will struggle to do anything w those 2 linemates. he will get very frustrated very quickly. the team will likely be bad. but he will maybe get even more frustrated if the team somehow steals wins during it. i foresee the team being really awful if he doesn't get real linemates. and i foresee him demanding a trade. Lalonde has ruined what could have been a really cool special season for the Wings and their fans. and Yzerman has allowed him to. Lalonde should be fired after this season goes how it's going to go. and Yzerman should be put on notice.
to add injury to insult, Kane this year is trying to make the Olympic team w his play. something very important. and Lalonde is doing everything he can to make him look horrible. Kane's also trying to get to 500 goals (needs 29) and the US points record (needs 91). what this coach is doing is basically a mortal sin for a hockey coach. he's robbing everyone but Lucas Raymond.
@@georgial6398 I expect Kane will get time with Larkin, unless you know something I don’t know I expect lalonde to shuffle a bit. If cat and Raymond aren’t clicking all the way he will switch it up. PP will be fun. I hate our centermen by the way. I don’t like Rasmussen but at least his size and speed and forecheck would make him interesting. Compher though he has his moments, is frustrating to watch. We need someone to fetch and keep possession on that line, we have a lot of guys that are slow and weak on the puck. I wish they’d retire copp from the planet. Here we are again, small, skilled, lacking jam. A lot to be hopeful for tho.
@@georgial6398 watch how you talk about yzerman, and don’t expect a crybaby frustrated attitude out of Kane. You’re a fan, don’t be miserable about the team, enjoy to the best of your possibility.
@@georgial6398sens fan?
He'll be hurt most of year
Our goalie situation scares me.
The Jeff petry, Andrew copp and Justin holl deals make me cry myself to sleep at night 😭
Ben Chiarot
4 days later we can proudly say now Justin Holl has been placed on waivers!!!! Whoaaaaaa 🎉
Kasper is definitly making the strongest case to make on opening night he's a beast !
The lack of top 3 picks during the rebuild window is honestly really shining through, especially on offense… Obviously the Wings have some really good pieces with Larkin, Raymond and Dbrincat but they lack that true alpha superstar that you can basically only get through the draft (they rarely come available through trade or free agency)
They don’t have that McDavid, MacKinnon, Kucherov, Crosby caliber player up front which has really slowed the rebuild… Im not out on the Wings but I think that lack of lottery luck kinda forces the Wings to play the waiting game
I think they’ll be a very good team in a few years but they have to wait for Edvinsson, Cossa, Danielson, Sandin-Pelikka, Kasper, Wallinder, Nygaard etc. to break into their potential to create a team dripping with depth scoring and or leverage that for big trades (think Vegas, Stanley cup Kings etc.)
Big hole in that argument is Kucherov was taken in, what, the fifth round? Later? Dude was not a high draft pick in the slightest.
@@aksis2133 he was a 2nd round pick (it’s easy to confuse him with Kaprizov who was a 5th round pick) but even so, it’s hardly a hole in the argument because of the luck it takes the draft stars past the first few picks and the lack of stars overall outside of that spot (how many stars come from outside the top few picks? Has there even been 10 since 2010? You can’t build a team hoping for that)
If they had a player at the level of McDavid and Larkin could play 2C the offense would be on a whole other level, maybe one of the best in the league. But that still doesn’t change how horrendous the defense is
@@masterbaiters1183 Ok. You said no top 3 picks. Let’s list some players that aren’t top 3 picks just for shits and giggles.
- Kucherov
- Kaprizov
- Point
- Marner
- M. Tkachuk
- B. Tkachuk
- Fox
- Makar
- Rantanen
- J. Robertson
- Vasilevskiy
- Pastrnak
- Marchand
- Bergeron
- Q. Hughes
- EP40
- Bouchard
- McAvoy
- Aho
- Reinhart
- Nylander
I could go on, but I think I’ve made my point - and I didn’t even include goalies. There is always elite talent outside of the top 3. It’s just a question of whether or not your scouts are good enough to find them, and while Detroit’s future is decent they’ve missed on a lot of potential big names that other teams were able to find.
@@aksis2133 A lot of the guys you listed here clearly fit “the first few picks” (The Tkachuk’s, Makar, Marner, Hughes, EP40, McAvoy, Nylander and Reinhart were in that range)
I responded to your point about Kucherov being a 2nd round pick, I didn’t argue it’s hard to get stars past the top 3 but in the top 10, rather that the top 3 is the best spot to get top end guys
I’m not sure who’ve they “missed on” if you’re talking about their early picks… Seider and Raymond were either the or close to the best player available, Edvinsson is right around the best player available from that class considering his prospect status and 2022 and 2023 was a lot of the same offensively with limited great players when Detroit drafted (although it’s pretty early to tell)… Later on it’s a crapshoot… Scouts can only discover so much about day 2 or 3 guys
3:05 Looking at those stats, it looks almost similar to the 22-23 Sabres. High scoring offense, little to no defense and zero goaltending.
If Detroit had better lottery results, we'd be moving much better into contention.
People need to trust the YzerPlan. He is eyeing long-term.
Plus, the prospect cabinet was left bare chasing a meaningless record.
Chill. Development is trending up.
Every. Single. Year.
Every year, there's an army of people trying to lecture other Wings fans about "trusting the plan" and how "the cupboard was bare" when Yzerman took over and how things are trending up. Last year's underlying metrics are a real cause for concern, not because the team was losing but because of how much winning they did when they shouldn't have. Their shooting % collapsed, like it inevitably was going to, and there were only poor defensive fundamentals and bad goal tending left to go on. There's plenty to be optimistic about but the ceiling on this team long term is worryingly low.
Two of the drafts we got screwed in gave us Raymond and Seider though, who kbows if the better picks we could have had really would have made us better
@@perryc8443 magic beans!
If Buffalo had better lottery luck then they'd be moving much better. You can say that about every single rebuilder. If Yzerman's plan is based on getting a top 3 pick every time Detroit shits the bed, then the yzerplan was dead in the water before it started
@@Hurricanesfan123 buddy, I got news for you about the state of the YzerPlan.
As a wings fan i completely agree with you. Expectations around the league are way too high for detroit. I understand that its frustration for wings fans because weve been out of the playoffs for 8 years but Stevey Y has only been a part of this team for the last 5. A lot his prospects arent even in the NHL yet. Most of the guys on our team right now are just placeholders for all our young guys. Give it a little time and be patient for like 2 more years and we'll be making the playoffs consistently and easily.
The top 6 will be better than last, so the power play should improve as well. The defense will be a question mark. At the end of the day, theyd probably be a guaranteed playoff team if they were still out west instead of in the hardest division in hockey.
the top 6 will be garbage. the 2nd line will not score at all. Kane and Cat could barely score or generate anything w Compher, but Tarasenko for Cat will somehow make it better? no, they won't score. at all. Kane can't play w Compher. and the 'top line' gives up a ton, runs hot and cold, and over the long haul does not significantly outscore opponents, or didn't last year. so far this preseason they're losing 3-0. losing high danger chances 8-1.
they are sacrificing Kane and the entire season to help Lucas Raymond.
@@georgial6398 lol k
@@georgial6398 Agreed. Wings will go 1-81. They'll get a lucky win given to them by the refs.
Atlantic is only division where i could see any team miss playoffs or get to playoffs. Ofc its very unlikely Florida or Toronto would miss but other has two very long seasons behind and other has new coach and Marner situation. Also Buffalo, Detroit or Ottawa can become next NJD 22-23 or VAN 23-24 that surprises all and gets huge jump. And Montreal has enough potential to get to wild card spot if everything goes well. Time will tell.
They need more defense! If they want to reach their objective Yzerman has to be active in trades/FA signings, because they won't get too far with only one very good d-man (Seider)
As an Avs fan who watched Compher for years, you are right. He is a great addition to any team, but not in the top 6. Compher excels in the third line. Avs fans generally seemed to agree that what Detroit pays to Compher is simply too much.
But I still I expect Detroit to make it to playoffs. And I didn't just put them in my yearly predictions, I put the second in their division and expected them to also win 1 round of playoffs.
You are also right the Atlantic is one tough division. I think Atlantic is by far the toughest division currecntly, as there is not really any bad teams. Ottawa, Buffalo and Detroit are teams on the rise trying to get out of a rebuild and all possible playoff teams. Florida and Toronto are expected to be playoff locks again. Boston and Tampa are getting old and likely getting close to a decline, but both teams could again be playoff contenders. This is why I had to leave montreal to be be the last in the division, as while their team looks to be getting pretty good, they simply have a damn tough competition around them. And then there came the news about Laine injury.
Nobody elevates average 2nd line centres like 88 🙏
Does he though? He can’t skate anymore.
today 10% of the redwings nhl roster beat 90% of the penguin's nhl roster. Some great prospects
doesnt mean a thing
I never would have thought the tigers and lions would both make the playoffs before the wings
The pistons might make it first also
Lyon was top 3 in adjusted save percentage in the entire League through February. I don’t get why you don’t project him at least as number 2
We have a solid team, yzerman keeps making small incremental improvements, he’s trying to build something that’s going to last, I’m still not putting stock into playoffs until we see more yzerman prospects make the lineup, yzerman is still being aggressive in signing veterans in free agency and imo it’s because he still hasn’t had a chance to see his vision, and he’s had a lot of bad luck in getting good draft positions, and he’s already built the team up to the point where we will probably no longer be guaranteed a top 10-15 spot in the draft, which means progress is being made, we have a lot of good prospects, and things are slowly falling into place, I mean we were in the playoff hunt until the literal last minute of the season last season, as heartbreaking as it is that is a sign of progress for this team, and I feel it’s only going to get better. We have good reasons to be optimistic.
Red WIngs had one, if not THE longest dynasty of a championship contender between 1994-2012 to never miss the play-offs and from 1994-2010 in the same process was regarded as a possible title challanger was astonishing. Having had the dark years of the late 70's to the early 90's Red Wings had a great swing with solid draft picks that bult the supporting frame for the franchise combined with great trades of solid veterans and/or players others did not regarded valuable.
And even then in the late 90's during there championship run's they get two solid late-picks (Datsuyk & Zetterberg), players of tallent calibre who should´been out of reach for them if others had taken them serious.
However, what comes up must come down. 1-by-1 each of these left the franchise and/or hockey all togheter and what was left was no core.
This is the natural process for all great dynasties, it was just that Red Wings in modern times had it for so unusually long. When there dynasty ended about 2010 and from there on, I realized that the Red Wings will have at least a dark decade of rebuilt based on the former GM mentality, but also that such level of deep tallent pool they had is impossible to get again for ANY team, that if they try to "live-on" as a dynasty in mind, they will miss out of higher draft picks and the process will be dragged on to further delaying the long rebuilt.
Steve Yzerman is a great leader and a great GM, but making a new TP Lightning sucsess is TO MUCH demanding.
Hot take: Sodorblom is actually more NHL ready than any of the forwards playing in this game tonight vs the Pens
I like Lombardi right now, but Sodorblom looks good too.
Not a hot take we played a lot of scrubs last night motte and Lombardi looked good
I watched Soderblom play all last year in GR and he is most certainly nowhere near being NHL ready. He was playing with and against a bunch of plugs last night.
almost every team in the division got better this offseason and/or their prospect are expecting to take the next step so its gonna be really hard to make the playoffs for the rebuilding teams
Johansson is looking really good in the pre season. He should be able to be really solid on the bottom pair. Who knows maybe work his way higher up in the lineup throughout the season.. But that definitely would be hard as a rookie defenseman
Might not be this year but Yzerman is building a Stanley Cup winner not simply a playoff qualifier.
Yea for 2032
@@spencerdobkin9479 I was thinking 2027, 2029 and 2033 but if you think 2032 as well, I won't argue.
@@epistiepucks_811 they're not winning a stanley cup in 2 years stop fanboying
@@spencerdobkin9479 I agree TWO years is impossible, but '27 is THREE years, that's a lead pipe lock.
I don't think they're making it with this coach. Their work ethnic is not consistent enough every game as it needs to be. The roster also didn't improve enough as it needed to be. Ottawa, Buffalo, New Jersey are all going to be good. We'll see.
They are a fringe playoff team... Unfortunately
Honestly... The way they have drafted etc... It sure seems like this team is meant to hit its stride next season.. It sucks because its been a rough long while for us Wings fans but to me the writing is on the wall that things start to fall into place next season. Some bad yet unnecessary (to get this team out of the basement) contracts Yzerman had to hand out will start to roll off the books and guys like Danielson, Kasper, ASP, MBN, Cossa and Augustine coming down the pipe.
So long story short.... This team starts legitimately contending next season. Heard it here first.
Agreed. I've said it all summer: there will be rookies and therefore there will be regression. Can't have one without the other. Additionally, many of our higher rated prospects won't be on the team (or even in the States) for another year or two. I'm good with this because I expected the rebuild to take plus-or-minus 10 years, and because I have seen improvement every year since 2019.
you said you don't expect them to take off this year "like everyone's expecting them to" and I would heavily disagree that most people are expecting them to take off. Most pundits and fans agree this might be very similar if not slightly worse than last year.
Hot Take: Campbell revives his career and wins the Vezina
That is the hottest of all hot takes.
I just warmed up lunch on this hot take. Thanks!
You just sped up global warming
I’m nervous too, defense and goaltending will be an issue. Kane feels his what in years and likes playing with Tarasenko. Hopefully we see minor improvements on defense and offense remains dangerous.
Per Moneypuck, last season at 5 on 5, the Redwings were
28th in xGoals%
28th in Corsi%
29th in Fenwick%
30th in xGoals for (8th in goals for)
28th in x goal differential
1st in goals for above expected (14 more than second place)
2nd in shooting% on shots on goal
1st in shooting% on unblocked shots
1st in shooting% all shots
31st in high danger shots for
30th in medium danger shots for
I’d be incredibly surprised if the Red Wings don’t regress quite a bit offensively, and I can’t really say the defense or goaltending really improved.
they'll be horrible bc they are lined up wrong.
Wings might sneak in, but so what. They still aren't even close to winning a series. Next year is when things need to start happening as the books will be cleared of some boat anchor contracts and Yzerman will need to do some real GMing to fix the D
I disagree. Toronto has 3. Edmonton has 2. You need to be a team.
@@streetsharkzEdmonton has 1 and if he made 2 million less nobody would complain. and no way youre comparing the redwings to the Oilers and Leafs
@@MrSpeck321 One? HOW ABOUT LEON DRAISITL AKA 14.5 MILLION A YEAR. GO READ A BOOK.
@@MrSpeck321 And they both ain't won shit
@@streetsharkz hes a top 5, arguably 3rd best player in the league how is he an anchor lol
Man..not gonna lie. That lineup looks thin, especially down the middle. There is a clear lack of high calibre young talent. The vets are a short term patch on an otherwise botched rebuild attempt, sorry to say. I wish them all the best but I don't see in what universe this core wins a cup.
how is the rebuild botched when you have one of the top prospect pools in the entire NHL? please explain.
@@jakerain2820 Like I said. If the redwings had been a little more patient and didn't sign so many vets to move up quickly in the standings, they may have had one or two franchise altering pieces, possibly in the top 5 of the draft. I'm not optimistic they can compete for a cup with this core but I wish them all the best though. I love the wings franchise. They were my favourite team as a kid.
I have nothing but faith in The Captain and will happily be patient as long as he tells me to be
Seider picking up DeCat is the cutest thing ever.
the loss of Walman and Ghostbear is still so odd. I thought one of them was good to hold onto
The Walman trade makes sense to me because we had a done deal on the table for Trouba but he vetoed it.
Obv Yzerman didn’t think he would do that or he wouldn’t have wasted time and resources putting together the deal. Sometimes sh!t just happens.
I was at the game yesterday and the rookie forwards all looked really good. Kasper, Mazur, Danielson… MBN is probably gonna be a beast too. I think they need to stop with the old “veteran” forwards and let the kids come up and play. I’d rather get worse record-wise and have them play at a higher level since most of them are ready. What’s really concerning is the defense, because we have Mo/Edvinsson and that’s about it for the future. ASP has extremely high potential as an offensive defenseman but we need some behemoths who can actually play D. The wings have to be top 5 weakest defenses in the league not only by defenseman but just as a team playing in their D zone, and no goalie is going to want to play here with that.
what old 'veteran' forwards would you like them to stop with, exactly? Copp and Compher are signed thru doomsday. the good prospect forwards are centers.
If the wings played more consistent hockey in the later months last season they’d be in the playoffs no problem. They completely fell apart and had 2 6+ game losing streaks earlier in the season. That just can’t happen. I’m not too worried but our division is tough. Players simply need to step up. I think Edvinsson is gonna take a huge leap this year which will help out our defense.
Really? wow!!! what a fresh take . No one else ever thought that.
Still not convinced Lalonde is a good coach, some of his lineups are questionable at best and he’s misusing Seider by always putting him against the toughest assignments. With that said they still might make the last wild card spot if Larkin doesn’t miss a ton of games like last year and the rest of the team can stay healthy.
Really sad to see both the walman and ghost departures. We got some studs coming up tho, gotta see them grow into NHL roles
Kane > Fabbri
Tarasenko > Perron
Edvinsson > Ghost
Talbot > Reimer
Motte > Sprong
Gustafsson < Walman
Hi, I'm Nobody Important in Hamilton. The Read Wings played over their heads last season. A bettor would have made money by simpling betting the Wings to win each and every game. Considering how unfair the odds are with legal sportsbooks that is saying a lot. it is better than 60%. This year the will do worse only because you cannot expect 2 years in a row of elevated play.
You didn't mention the savior in the net? Jack Campbell? How dare you?
I have been a wings fan for almost 65 years. My thoughts will be that we need a second pair RD. Petry and Holl don't cut. I believe a trade is needed and my feeling try and bring in a guy like Ramus Andersson from Calgary.
Weegr or Anderss would be great for them, or C.Fowlr of Ana, Carrier of Nash, Pelech of NYi, Troub of NYr, Parayk of StL, Ruuta or Ferrar of SJ, Chychr of Was, or Pionk of Wpg. One of those guy would carry Detroit a long way.
Good luck to your Red Wings I think they will be competitive and maybe im bias but i think my Sabres will make the playoffs over them. I'm optimistic based off our preseason going 6-1 new coach better depth lots of talented skilled players at all positions with the proper coaching from ruff this should be a playoff team.
My expectations are on par with what they were last year, but looking at some of our young hot shots over this preseason I could see a few pushing roster spot and potentially being disturbingly deadly.. like Nate Danielson and Casper.. Casper definitely
The only changes I'd make are: get Holl out of the lineup for good, and have Alex Lyon as the starter, he was good last year so he's earned a shot.
I think it’s more likely they end up with more points than last year, but the amount of points it will take to get in the playoffs will be higher this year as well.
That said, just relax and enjoy the ride dude.
Husso had a fantastic stretch two years ago then fizzled out. Then last year he got a bunch of injuries.
Lyon had a fantastic stretch last year then fizzled out.
Not only do I not understand the concerns on Husso, but the confidence in Lyon is also too rapid.
Husso obviously rushed back too quickly on multiple occasions. He's had the summer to recover and even just had an absolutely fantastic outing against Pittsburgh's A-squad in the pre-season.
Lyon, Talbot and Husso could be a legitimate trio who cycle through 30ish games each this season.
The goaltending is a definitive upgrade over last year, non-debatable.
That being said, I am still nervous for the forward and d-core structure. I don't understand why so many people are nervous about the goaltending, but the d-core and forwards are much more concerning.
Husso will be in AHL
@@Perkele-u5k that would be absolutely shocking. Especially after the night he just had against Pittsburgh.
@@Bestjamesbond Lyon and Talbot will be goalie tandem. So either Husso is third goalie or he's starter in NHL.
@@Perkele-u5k how you’re concluding this already is impressive. I guess we will see. My bet is they’re going into the season with 3. Husso/Talbot split early time and Lyon picks up a few games here and there. Cycling through all three.
I don't know how anyone can predict them to be a playoff team.
They have the worst goalie tadem in the league with Lyon and Talbot.
The defense is not good: Chiarot and Petry are only getting worse, Edvindsson lacks experience and Gustafsson isn't very good defensively. Seider can't do everything on his own.
The offense will be great but they won't be able to always outscore the other team. Questionable defense in front of bad goaltending is a recipe for disaster. But it's hockey, anything can happen. If Talbot can get hot in the 1st half like last year, Lyon could get hot the moment Talbot gets cold. This season will rely on goaltending for the Red Wings. If they don't get a miracle in net, they're screwed.
Last year’s Red Wings remind me of my 2022-23 Sabres where they rocked on offense but had terrible defense and goaltending. So I do expect some regression like we did the next year. Doesn’t mean it will happen, but it very well can.
Im just glad they aren't the laughing stock. We may not have a Stanley Cup team but they aren't so bad they are eliminated from contention in late February.
I’m concerned too putting this before watching but I am cautiously optimistic but also very optimistic
I’m kind of hoping they do bad and we end up selling as many veterans as possible and HOPEFULLY are able to get a top 3 pick, it’s unfair how teams like Chicago, New Jersey, San Jose and even the Rangers were able to make top 3 picks within 3 years of each other and we’ve never gotten one in my lifetime (I’m 24)
The ONLY guys SY will be able to move at the deadline without needing to attach picks to are Kane and Tarasenko. He's gonna have to forfeit two years worth of draft selections just to move on from the corpse of Jeff Petry.
I truly think that Yzerman is buying time for either Cossa or Augustine to develop into the guy. Bith show promise, but they arent ready as of yet that we know of to take on the full time starter role.
I watched them try to force a wildcard spot for years before finally missing the playoffs. I want to see them contend. I’m patient. Yzerman continuing the trend of bad contracts for mid players out of their prime worries me for sure, tho
Without injuries and illness Wings make Playoffs. If Debrincat can do what he is paid to, Wings make the Playoffs. Full season of Kane. Raymond to hit new level. Maybe better deployment of Seider.
Expectations definitely high.
im afraid of us just being mid for a long ass time w some of steves moves lately
Growth worked for the Lions and Tigers, though the Tigers still aren’t considered a legit contender.
I really dont see any reason to worry long term.
Larkin himself is a second line center. Tendies are trash and the Defense is even worse. I’ll keep holding out hope for the Yzerplan and maybe in 2027 we’ll have the best tendy tandem in the league with Cossa and Augustine.
Wings have so many haters still its funny. We get it you are still a little jealous of our long success but the team has been trash long enough so lay off it.
I think the dcore is average with the right formation.
Gustafsson-Seider
Edvinsson-Petry
Chiarot-Maatta
Gustafsson is not good defensively, Edvinsson lacks experience and Petry and Chiarot are getting worse every year. Seider can't do everything on his own. For this D core to be good they need a breakout season from Edvinsson, Petry to produce more offensively and Chiarot being at least average defensively.
What's your opinion on a possible trade for Swayman? He would definitely fix goaltending and partially fix the defense but considering how much it would cost and having 2 very good prospects in the system. I can see an argument for both sides
Jeff Petry and Justin Holl will carry the Red Wings to the playoffs don't worry
It's good to be nervous, but I think we are about to finally get back in the playoffs. It's not just a gut feeling its a maturity feeling.
I swear, Rasmussen-Copp-Fischer wasn't a thing for that much of the season, and I know there were some nights when that line was absolutely hopeless and couldn't do anything. A few games in a short time span where they chipped in some offense is all people remember about that line.
Still hoping Yzerman can move some extra pieces. If he could give a desperate team Holl and a goalie, that would free up 2 forward spots for Kasper and Mazur.
Pretty sure that line was around the entire second half of the season and they had some of the highest defensive stats of any forward line
They could clear cap space for next year and sign Mitch Marner.
Getting smoked by the Pens is a bad sign.
As a Stars fan, I feel the same about the Cup
It's an upgraded roster, but still not an impressive one. We're still a middling team, but as long as our goalies dont fall apart a low seed playoff spot should be attainable!
The Wings' biggest issue is that old guys who are bad are blocking young guys (who may or may not be good, but who deserve a shot) from playing.
Ghost was terrible on actual defense, Perron is only effective on a 10ft span of boards on the rink, only notable loss is Walman
if Kane was around for the entire last season we would have made the playoffs over the caps
Theres rumors of a trade for swayman. I doubt it happens, but what would that mock trade look like?
Don't know but it would need to include Kasper and Berggren for sure. Swayman is one of the best goalies in NHL. If you want him, you need to be ready to give some great prospect and more.
@@Perkele-u5k but boston has no leverage... and they gotta take on other plays salary to make room. Idk obviously im not great on predicting trade value lol
They got worse and are expecting to take a step forwards. It’s been an asinine job by management.
Unfortunately, most wings fan will not see this video and we’ll be stuck with more angry wings fan in every single instagram comment section calling for Lalonde and Stevie’s head 😐
OHNYQUIST POST OMFG
I am expecting them to be quite bad, especially early when the lineups are so wrong. They need a new head coach.
Stay the course with GM and coach. I don't care about how they did last year using a bunch of rentals. I care more about how they do with the core that is in place and the young guys coming up to join it. Agree about Walman, wish they had kept him. Otherwise its time to have the prospects move in and take a couple of spots on the roster and pray Cossa is soon a top goalie in the NHL. Culture is important. I don't want to be a talent laden team the under-performs. We don't have enough generational talent for that anyway. I don't want to be a perpetual playoff team that never gets far like Minnesota. So we need a great culture that gets the most of the talent it has. And great goal-tending.
Poor D and a soft team to play.. IF they sneak in, they are out in 4...BUT NO PLAYOFFS for the YZERPLAN .PERIOD..
So the Detroit sports teams are on high alert right now....lions make the playoffs last year. Tigers this year. Red wings will in 2025-2026.
oh nyquist the kids rip. I went to camp and they are the sleeper team of the year. debrincat is most ridiculous too. hasn't bloomed yet.
I'm thinking we make playoffs, bro! #LGRW
Personally, I think that coaching is still an issue for the Wings.
Definitely. He's not the right guy. I don't think the lockeroom likes him that much. The work ethic isn't there every night.
It's only Preseason, but an almost nhl lineup getting caved by pittsburghs ahl team is concerning
if they had Kane Cat Larkin as top line they would have won that game in a rout. and would make the playoffs or fight for them. instead yes they will be garbage this year. only good part is maybe Lalonde gets fired for it. anybody who messes w Kane's career like this should get canned. Gallant did, Lalonde should too.
@@georgial6398 holy another dumb comment from you no way you are actually this stupid LMAO
Holy shit you got 80k subs now
So just got done watching the season opener against the Pens. Soooooooo not looking great.
Gonna miss Ghost
This title implies you weren’t worried about the red wings before🤔
Our D not even close to good enough. I wish we'd have tried to tank a few more years instead of signing all those vets. Let young guys play and get some more high draft pick talent in pipeline
Yes as wings fans we all should be worried...still not a playoff team especially in goal lol they got worse! I stopped drinking the yzerplan kool-aid a long time ago and tired of hearing the clowns on Woodward especially McCarty blindly glazing and sucking off his former teammate and captain like he's still on the roster. Almost 10 years into this rebuild and missing the playoffs mainly by their own doing and head scratching moves by yzerman. I'll say it...he got/gets way too much credit for his time in Tampa Bay...he walked into a lot of that as a lot of parts were already there and he low balled stamkos and funny enough they did it to him again this offseason. Yzerplan my ass...but when they miss the playoffs again I can't wait to see the apologists come out yet again blindly defend him and this team...still pretty much no D and piss poor goalies...seriously...Cam Talbot? HAHHAHAAAHAHAHA #deadwings not being a downer I'm just being realistic....the Atlantic division is a dog fight and ottawa and buffalo will be better and one of then likely will get a playoff spot and lets not forget at some point Larkin like always will go down again at some point and again his absence will kill this team at the worst possible time with debrincat being streaky and going cold as that's his game he will be hot then he goes too long without a goal etc. lol I love the wings always have but this team is not a playoff team expect more of the same of a streaky team but then getting dog walked by better teams and it will be ugly. Raymond isn't a 40 goal guy he's solid but he's not that guy i don't even think him and mo will finish out their deals here.
McCarty is a team ambassador he gets paid 200-300k per year to say nice things about Yzerman and the team.
I just feel like they’re not gonna be good enough ya know?
Imo they will make the playoffs because of how hungry and very motivated they are from how it ended last year.
Due to this, I think they will "overperform".
However, once they get that satisfaction, they will regress and not make the playoffs the following year, along with all of the young guys making the team.
But from there, they will finally be progressing steadily, year by year, getting more and more rookies on the team.
Sabres fans thought the same about last year. That didn't end well. It's not a guarantee that they can keep it from the year before.
@@cope847 i mean for the wings, just the way it happened last year makes all the difference. From pure elation to utter devistation in a matter of minutes.
💯
Wings will win a cup before Toronto does and that’s fucking sad 😂
No. They have a good chance with Berube. Leafs finally are doing it right
It's just not a playoff roster. Likely finishing 7th in the Atlantic unless the young guys take huge steps and things go their way like last season
haha that was the expectation last season too
@@kkerbawy Yeah and they went on to overperform and still miss the playoffs
Larkin is not captain material at all
This is definitely a pessimistic take on their upcoming season. I get that you’re trying to be realistic, but you got to have a little more faith. If they stay healthy and click as a unit, this team can squeeze into a playoff spot.
The team is going to be slightly worse than last year. Especially if there are injuries aka Larkin. Hes made of glass and when hes out our team is horrible because we have no centers.
I'm not.
will you do a standings predictions?