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Just bought an old Roland W-30, dont know if you have already reviewed one... but with the need for as stack of old floppy disks to load on separate patches- personally however upgraded to the less antiquated emulator usb drive... there are 8 separate output ports on the rear and well... its a good time🤪
Korg RK-100S 2 Red, u know you want to, please where an Japan headband when doing the episode, if it isnn't bad gear you can always make a campy bad, gear revieuw abouot it, its just how you put the punctioation
I bought a WS MkII thanks to this video... It's amazing. I got it off eBay for $500 in brand-New condition, though it was listed as having been opened. I haven't tried to use the plug-in discount code, so perhaps it was that cheap for a reason, but I'm more than happy with the hardware. Being tied to a PC was never my use case. Thanks to BG for helping to grow my collection!
It doesn't but korgs BAD PRACTISE of creating a plugin version that is identical to the hardware only months after the initial launch of the hardware was so bad it was evil.
@@straighttalk2069 Is that really a problem? VSTs and hardware synths are technically separate parts of a market, and even if a VST for a synth exists a lot of people are still hardware die-hards. I know I'd rather have physical knobs to turn than have to faff about with a mouse and virtual knobs.
There's quite a few bad gear episodes on gear that isn't actually bad, but to get on the show a piece of gear just has to have a sufficiently large amount of complaints. Sometimes a synth is great but has an odd quirk that some people can't look past (Roland TB-3), or has a bit of a learning curve (Moog DFAM), or just happens to be difficult to fit into the current trendy genre (Novation Bass Station 2), or might be limited compared to significantly more expensive synths even if it's perfectly fine for its price point (the entire Korg Volca line).
It may have something to do with growing up during the 90s but the sounds and sequences that come from the station/state seem to just naturally resonate with me on a semi-subconscious level. No other synth does that for me.
Same here man ..ath the beginning was really hard to program when I first got it on 2021...but I been practicing everyday since.. I make some great patches on it .. I had read the manual like 30 times already😂... wavestate requires alot knowledge is not for everybody
Many UA-camrs i've never been early enough to be watching during their height but AudioPilz is already going damn strong and only at 100k - much further to go, fuckin awesome channel
The hardware might be “mwaah” but the sound is truly expensive. I totally underestimated it until I found Maik Schott’s channel. Especially his Trevor Horn soundset blows my mind. It’s the first time I have actually contemplated to buy a synth specifically for a soundpack! Need I say more!😎
Akai miniak was the first to make me feel like 20 cheap ass knobs and faders would be better than two to 4 tank like pieces. Wavestate is not at all a pickup and play tool. I own one amd still have not scratched the surface....I get too lost in re tooling what's there to even begin to make from scratch... I need to sit down and set it up for reggae, boom bap, techno..just don't fully get how to do so. Still fun....I think they are asses for not adding a cheap ass dvi port to hook to a touch screen or TV just saying...and mk2 ain't even a real mk2 oh well still love it
The Wavestation is my favorite digital synth. I got a Wavestate hoping to recreate my favorite Wavestation patches before the old synth gives up. They do require a lot of time and menu diving to create your own sequences. You are 100% right about the Wavestate keybed being crap!
I have an original Wavestate, and am very disillusioned by it in general. Just three years after buying it, something has happened with pitch control; any performance will, out of the blue, go wonky with pitch. This is literally the junkiest piece of gear I’ve ever had…and I’m a huge Kori fan.
It's interesting to see the direction some of these synths end up going with their UX. The underlying mantra I was always taught was "be friendly to both experts and novices alike," but much of the time it feels like they either leave the experts to menu dive on a early 00s cell phone screen or they leave the novices to be overwhelmed by the complexity. Often both.
This, IMO, is the biggest downside of the single platform shared by Wavestate, Opsix, and Modwave. The Opsix UX fits beautifully within the constraints posed by its screen, but once you move from FM to wave sequencing, it’s not quite enough. Now a Wavestate with the screen from a Korg Nautilus…
An accurate assessment Florian, but for a hobbyist like me the presets in my MK I version on their own provide a stunning palette of highly customizable sounds, and the UI works very well with all of them - no need to resort to the editor. Finally, used MK I Wavestates can now be had for around US $400 in great condition, which makes this machine a great deal in my view.
I love both the Plug-In and Hardware. Preproduction on the Plug In, export to HW and you can play live with it… great concept and I would love to own the SE but it’s way to expensive
Oh god I feel called out about the pausing to read the meme's thing being hidden in a meme. Well played meta fuck about on your part. I still want one, but then again half the reason I want a Korg Nautilus was for the Wave sequencing support on it.
"Pausing Florian's video to read the memes" lol :D I have to go backwards so much to re-listen to the full sentences because I keep pausing and loose track :D But they're so funny ! Great video again, thank you for your hard word that is so refreshing !
NGL, I loved my Wavestation EX. I love my Wavestate even more. Should it be your only synth? Probably not, but I suppose you could make do, it's more versatile than you would think. It's still the most epic evolving pad and drone machine this side of a eurorack rig.
@@jamesdefrancesco7765 I seriously considered keeping mine, but the backlight was gone and I was able to trade it for the Wavestate even up so...yeah. Is it exactly the same, no, does it fill the same niche, yep. That said, I cranked out some seriously deranged sounds with my EX!
This channel is SO great. Love the memes and the solid musical sensibility. Also I died from laughing. The samples library of a bedroom producer. Ski Jam is the best preset of all time. Sue me. Jam at 7:36 is an all time great sounding track. Also sounds maybe like it came from a Genos2 style. Soooo. Do Genos2 soon?
I like these medium/small size series of synths from Korg.... a lot of nice and unique functions... and sound always is very "usable". Multitembrality in Wavestate is nice feature every synth should have (at least these digital should have)... however the keyboard is a huge downside of this devise. Good review!
Hey that's my synth :) Well I got the 64 Poly version. But it's not as bad as a lot of people seem to think. It's lightweight, which means you can use it on your lap or in bed, or in a chair/sofa etc, and you'd want to if you wanna learn it and dive deep. And Deep it is! One of the things I've hoped for is that since it's Raspberry Compute module 3B based - is that Korg would eventually let the modding community have at it, meaning release the Synth for Open Source modding, that would place Korg in the history of synths nicely, would be a good idea. I was one of the lucky early adopters that got it for about 500$ so that wasn't that expensive to me, but 1000$ ? thats a hard sell, nevermind 2300$ that's an impossible sell. Especially since it's very cheap to build with a processor that was created for bedroom developers to begin with. What I like about it is actually the knobs. You can program 8 of them to do anything you want, any parameter can be set to those 8 white knobs you see there, so you can literally create your own "customized synth", because it does have a LOT of parameters to adjust. You can "simulalte midi-delay", which means you can simulate an old synth setup you've seen in a 80s music video, for example I re-created the intro FM'ish synth from Europe's "Carrie" song to perfection, and it took 30 mins to do so - in fact, once you know how to operate this synth, it's actually incredibly intuitive, because every know is menu-context sensitive, meaning - you twist a knob, and it will directly take you to the corresponding menu - no need to dive too much, just learn that workflow and you'll be up and running faster than imagined, this is new to most traditional synth owners since they are used to the old way of menu diving, most synths don't have a "direct-from-knob-to-menu" functionality this one have, goes for ModWave too! But yeah, I agree that it could easily have been sold for 300$ and it would have been a huge hit. The most appealing thing about this synth is exactly the layout and knobs (minus the dinky display, which is oled, and prone to line-failure, missing / garbled lines in the display) sadly. But here's a protip for those who complains about it having too thin sound: If you go to the reverb menu settings, and scroll down, there's a secret - the HQ FILTER settings, here you can adjust the entire frequency range and get as much OOMPF as you'd ever want or your speakers can handle. Very little known well hidden secret, enjoy!
yes the only synthesizer that i actually fell in love with and got mine sat right nextr to me turned on best thing i like about this synth is the one finger jams cause it is eseentially a 4 peice band really and the modulation as well thats a whole new level ive had mine 3 yeares and im just a bit better trhen a novice but i love it me for making banging techno jams
@@AudioPilz well you know dan phillips anyway wahat a guy man me and him argue about ukraine but its dan phillip0s brain child so big shout out to dan phillip0s for been so awesome and coming up with wavestate
Same bud , for solo artists it's pretty great. I do have fun setting up 4 patches with the key parameters and bringing in new sounds as you play. Once the sounds are on you don't need a computer to play it etc.
100% agree - Wavestate Native and Modwave Native are awesome, but the hardware synths - my impression is I would probably actually be using the software to program them too, and not the knobs and buttons.
I waited so long for this during Covid. I open up the box and there is a piece of cardboard stuck to it saying "Hey try random!". That was pretty much all the documentation you got. The rest was electrical warnings.
My bad gear infinity gauntlet nears completion... I've owned two of these. Sold the first because it was buggy and made me mad, despite the fact that it does things expensive workstation keyboards don't do. Missed it enough to trade for another one, even though I had the plugin. The button/knob layout makes programming modulation really fun! Pretty hard to find good orchestral multisamples in a portable keyboard. Also, modulating the speed of the timing lane can make it go so fast that it crashes. Normally the "speed" multiplier only goes up by 2-4x at most, but you can send it modulation from one of the knobs that go to 600x. Riding the wave of 98% CPU usage delivers some really wild tones. It's like DFAM's tempo knob cranked all the way up, but then you slow it down and reveal not pounding analog drums, but saxophone squawks and the sounds of people screaming, and like swords and stuff. This thing sucks. It's one of my favorite synths.
Ok Florian, I have the first Wavestate ($425 used) and the VST. They don't sound the same, and I prefer the sound of the hardware. I also have the Wavestation VST, and Wavestate is definitely a successor but goes well beyond it. Korg and Yamaha are about the only companies still making multi-timbral synths or 'workstations'. Yes, it's 90s style sounds, but hey, the 90s were fucking awesome, compared to the Lost Decade of the Millennium when music all but died. The Wavestate is my Psybient, Psytrance synth, and it does a fantastic job with those genres. Playing it is pure enjoyment (the keyboard is just fine); it's my 'desert island' synth. Loved your final jam!
So I'm still not understanding the difference between the MK I and II. I have the MK I and love the thing. it's just an infinite sound generator. . Using the editor really takes it to a more logical place as you can see how it affects what and where. After using it for a while, the randomizer can be used and then "fixed" so that it will become killer. I will also say that the plugin sounds different than the hardware. a lot different to me. but great review and look at it.
I own Yamaha SY22 and still loving vector synths since I got it. For me it is a great addition to the ever returning copied and same waveshapes from subtractive synthesis. And I like the cold but digital character to spice up the setup. Creativity serves and Audiopilz is the proof of this. This three jams got me and was exciting once again. Damn hot shit. Well done Florian. Only critic is the lame intro but who cares. I will experiment with my golf ball again on the SY. See you next time.
A friend let me use his for a bit and it was impenetrable. Homestly not very fun to use but kudos to Korg for making it. The plugin is the way to go for sure though! Happy Friday! No more work for the year! 😊
I actually bought this, and then returned it. It sounded great and did some really cool stuff. It was a nightmare to program though. You don't sound design it. It designs you.
Great stuff! I have the Modwave and Opsix. Especially when used live, the advantage with hardware versions are they allow you to seemlessly change patches while holding down keys.
@@pratyulmusic Korg did an amazing job on all of them, but Opsix is probably the easiest to operate, but it isn't as deep. Modwave being a combination of subtractive/wavetable synth with sampling is the most complex of the three.
Great as always! The Wavestates are pretty appealing to me, despite some of the shortcomings. The Modwave seems pretty cool, too. Not that I have the money for them, though, heh.
Wavestate is a horrible synth to program, you need to have it tethered to a pc for best results. If you can get an OG unit cheap, then it's a good machine to get some variations, but that 2 inch screen is horrible. I wouldn't touch the SE which is 3 times what I paid for an OG unit and sounds exactly the same, diff is AT and extra voices, certainly not worth 4 times more.
@@dankeplace Yeah, there's no way I'd get one of the SEs/similar (unless money was no object to me). But the UI of the Wavestate is at least a lot more hands on than that of the Wavestation. And even if I'd use the software for editing (which I'm not even sure about) - hey, at least that's an option. But again, I don't even have the money for a synth right now, haha
@@slipknotboy555 The Wavestate is much better than the Wavestation for UI BUT it only has 4 lanes of sequencing vs 8. The software with the Wavestate is the only real way to program and is a breeze to do so, on that 2 inch screen it's a nightmare.
I was tempted by the wavestate plugin during korg’s half price sale at black friday. But got Diva instead as that one is almost never on sale! Now I am convinced to get it indeed during Korg’s next sale!
Hilarious. I bought a Wavestate for big lush, soundscape-y pads but ultimately sold it and use the plugin version instead. I just couldn't get the hang of it and wanted to invest in other hardware instead. Super happy with the plugin version though, it sounds identical and is a bit easier to navigate from a computer screen instead. Just as you said in the outro, I find myself using it more often and more musically as a plugin than I ever did in the hardware version. I would just scroll presets and not really do anything with the menus, but the plugin layout makes it easier to create custom sounds and actually see what you're doing lol
I have all 3 and they are amazing synths i get it, the interface is not all friendly, neither is the Octatrack BUT MY BIGGEST complaint is that the knobs on the hardware DOESN'T move the software, TR-8s is a great example on how a Software controls the Hardware and vice versa. Nice Bad Gear as always
9:37 You have validated my purchase a year ago (Wavestate Native software)….which I do not regret and still am amazed at generating B.edazzling A.spirational D.iminsions of sonic tones and chopped sequences with this software gear. My fav. For generating Berlin TD sequences and pad.
Great episode as usual! I had a wavestate, I loved it and hated it with equal measure. It was everything I wanted but didn't have the time to learn in a box 😄 I much prefer the VST and as soon as It came out I sold my hardware version. I personally think it will be a classic but its its menu diving will forever be a thorn in its cheaply made plastic side.
09:16 pleased/slightly meta ashamed to pause and read the ''Life of a Home Producer - Pausing Florian's youtube to read the memes" meme Have switched on a synth out of embarrassment 😅
I use the plugin when im not in my studio. I use the wavestate editor with the hardware to sound design in the studio. I use the hardware when I play live. Its the perfect setup. And i think im going to do the same with the minifreak soon.
Even when Hulk Hogan pulls a Wavestate out of a tree and you are still not sure if you want it 😂 When WS for first on sale I spent ages trying to find a reason to justify buying it as was not into soundtracky music and the learning curve and fiddly UI didn't appeal, 2 years later ended up buying the VST when it was on sale am happy I have it in my collection for when the mood strikes without the hassles of intense menu diving and more keys.😎💃
You are the best, I thoroughly enjoyed this as well as your cameo on Bob Eats. You should cover the new TE EP-133, that is, if you are lucky and find a working one lol. "Hence forth, thou shall be known as.. Darth Fader" 😂
for some reason I ended up looking up raspberry pi's website saw the Korg name as an industrial customer saw this synth listed as the final product and thought there must be a bad gear review and now I'm hear literally a day after its posted what awesome serendipity
Fun fact: Famous "Sky Jam" preset was used by Jan Hammer's Virtual Reality track for Beyond The Mind's Eye computer animated movie. To bad that expensive Wavestate SE unlike its predecessor Wavestate EX and A/D (rack) have no vocoder. Good thing is that Wavestates have hands-on controls and expanded wave sequencing.
I wouldn't pay full price for it due to the build quality, but the MK1 regularly goes for ~400 bucks used which I feel like is a pretty good deal if you enjoy hardware more or want to play live with it. The joystick is simple but a pretty major part of the sound and experience. In my opinion that makes it worth having the hardware unit if you can get a good deal on it.
Like that Moog Mariana reference. Having been waiting for the Minitaur to restock, it was a pleasant surprise to see an official Moog bass soft synth for $49. Now, I've set my sights on the more readily available Subharmonicon.
For an old guy that doesn't like software Synths, the size of the korg series is a big plus : a lot of hardware! Synths with little place needed. To me the wavestate is one of the best Synthesizers released in the last few years and so I bought a second one 😊. My only complaint is the small display. Korg missed the chance here with the se version.
The Korg Wavestation Ipad app + some sort of controller is cool, it makes the actual synth engine tweakable without going through as you said "this mariana trench of parameters" lol
Will we get a Modwave video to complete the set of Korg digital synths? Your OpSix video convinced me to commit to buying the new module... which is now delayed until October. Wouldn't be Korg is the didn't mess up their production somehow, I guess.
@@AudioPilz 2600 dollars for what is in essence a glorified special purpose computer that has it's screen fall out? It's not priced like a pocket operator (which have gone up quite a lot too!).
I love my Wavestate ! Didn't know that there was an MKII already. Theresa nice Korg editor that makes creating your wavesequences so much easier. In a couple of weeks the MC-505, now the Wavestate. I feel this is personal. What's next, Maschine+?
It’s such a great synth. Especially if you send it your own .wav. Made it 100 times more useful, to me. But it’s not for everyone. It’s for "mod matrix nerds." You know who you are, you deviants. 👨🔬
You haven't done the Analog Rytm mkII yet have you? Now's the time! Put down four on the floor, smack up a dual vco bass track, lay down random trigs in minor pentatonic and turn on the euclidean mode. Eternal dancefloor baby!
While i understand the just use the plug in, something about having physical control and keyboard just feels better to me personally. (And yes you've convinced me to get this one as well 😂)
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Just bought an old Roland W-30, dont know if you have already reviewed one... but with the need for as stack of old floppy disks to load on separate patches- personally however upgraded to the less antiquated emulator usb drive... there are 8 separate output ports on the rear and well... its a good time🤪
Korg RK-100S 2 Red, u know you want to, please where an Japan headband when doing the episode, if it isnn't bad gear you can always make a campy bad, gear revieuw abouot it, its just how you put the punctioation
I bought a WS MkII thanks to this video... It's amazing. I got it off eBay for $500 in brand-New condition, though it was listed as having been opened. I haven't tried to use the plug-in discount code, so perhaps it was that cheap for a reason, but I'm more than happy with the hardware. Being tied to a PC was never my use case.
Thanks to BG for helping to grow my collection!
I don't believe this falls into the category of bad gear. Love it, and the Modwave.
It doesn't but korgs BAD PRACTISE of creating a plugin version that is identical to the hardware only months after the initial launch of the hardware was so bad it was evil.
@@straighttalk2069
Is that really a problem? VSTs and hardware synths are technically separate parts of a market, and even if a VST for a synth exists a lot of people are still hardware die-hards. I know I'd rather have physical knobs to turn than have to faff about with a mouse and virtual knobs.
There's quite a few bad gear episodes on gear that isn't actually bad, but to get on the show a piece of gear just has to have a sufficiently large amount of complaints. Sometimes a synth is great but has an odd quirk that some people can't look past (Roland TB-3), or has a bit of a learning curve (Moog DFAM), or just happens to be difficult to fit into the current trendy genre (Novation Bass Station 2), or might be limited compared to significantly more expensive synths even if it's perfectly fine for its price point (the entire Korg Volca line).
You are absolutley right that editing takes up as much of my time as pausing your videos to read the memes 😂
It’s true;)
It may have something to do with growing up during the 90s but the sounds and sequences that come from the station/state seem to just naturally resonate with me on a semi-subconscious level. No other synth does that for me.
I can relate to that!
I feel this. I want to returnnnn
thats true
Same
true and Roland JP8000.
The trick with the hardware is that the knobs change the display to whatever they relate to. I love programming sounds on the Wavestate hardware!
Agreed!!!
Same here man ..ath the beginning was really hard to program when I first got it on 2021...but I been practicing everyday since.. I make some great patches on it .. I had read the manual like 30 times already😂... wavestate requires alot knowledge is not for everybody
Many UA-camrs i've never been early enough to be watching during their height but AudioPilz is already going damn strong and only at 100k - much further to go, fuckin awesome channel
Thank you so much!!!
Really digging the Retro Goth Rave track, particularly as I've been playing a lot of Cyberpunk lately!
Thank you so much!!!
The hardware might be “mwaah” but the sound is truly expensive. I totally underestimated it until I found Maik Schott’s channel. Especially his Trevor Horn soundset blows my mind. It’s the first time I have actually contemplated to buy a synth specifically for a soundpack! Need I say more!😎
I find his sounds massively overrated. Very thin compared to real synths.
I have one and some of his packs.
Same. He sold me the wavestate.
@@-The-Darkside all a matter of taste, I gues. 😁
Nice, gotta check it out!!!
I love my Wavestate….but yeah, I find the plug-in much easier to use to generate patches.
Yeah, a plugin fits the synth philosophy perfectly
I concur
Akai miniak was the first to make me feel like 20 cheap ass knobs and faders would be better than two to 4 tank like pieces. Wavestate is not at all a pickup and play tool. I own one amd still have not scratched the surface....I get too lost in re tooling what's there to even begin to make from scratch...
I need to sit down and set it up for reggae, boom bap, techno..just don't fully get how to do so. Still fun....I think they are asses for not adding a cheap ass dvi port to hook to a touch screen or TV just saying...and mk2 ain't even a real mk2 oh well still love it
Also said all this before watching lol😂😂
@@docwhammoUse AI for what?
The Wavestation is my favorite digital synth. I got a Wavestate hoping to recreate my favorite Wavestation patches before the old synth gives up. They do require a lot of time and menu diving to create your own sequences. You are 100% right about the Wavestate keybed being crap!
It feels so weak and mushy XD
Yeah it’s garbage
I have an original Wavestate, and am very disillusioned by it in general. Just three years after buying it, something has happened with pitch control; any performance will, out of the blue, go wonky with pitch. This is literally the junkiest piece of gear I’ve ever had…and I’m a huge Kori fan.
👍👍👍
A flimsy piece of plastic very disappointed
It's interesting to see the direction some of these synths end up going with their UX. The underlying mantra I was always taught was "be friendly to both experts and novices alike," but much of the time it feels like they either leave the experts to menu dive on a early 00s cell phone screen or they leave the novices to be overwhelmed by the complexity. Often both.
It is strange to me that when they went to MK II and the SE larger keybed they didn't expand the size of the screen.
I feel so lucky with my novation summit when I see some of these synths. Menu diving can be such a chore
This, IMO, is the biggest downside of the single platform shared by Wavestate, Opsix, and Modwave. The Opsix UX fits beautifully within the constraints posed by its screen, but once you move from FM to wave sequencing, it’s not quite enough. Now a Wavestate with the screen from a Korg Nautilus…
Is something similar to Wavestate available in Nautilus?
It’s quite a challenge
Who else had the kneejerk reaction that Florian was going to play Join Me from HIM at 1:17? :D
I appreciate the tongue-in-cheek and also that some of this is very true commentary.
Thank you so much!!!
Great review. That second jam sounded like Jean Michel Jarre! Now we know his secret weapon!
Thank you!!!
That "Gameboy Display" is "War & Peace" to Roland's usual efforts :)
Lol, so true
Ensoniq Mirage was the best screen, ever !
An accurate assessment Florian, but for a hobbyist like me the presets in my MK I version on their own provide a stunning palette of highly customizable sounds, and the UI works very well with all of them - no need to resort to the editor. Finally, used MK I Wavestates can now be had for around US $400 in great condition, which makes this machine a great deal in my view.
Thank you!!!
I love both the Plug-In and Hardware. Preproduction on the Plug In, export to HW and you can play live with it… great concept and I would love to own the SE but it’s way to expensive
Nice approach!!!
Pausing Florian's youtube to read the memes should definitely be a bigger pie piece!
😀😀😀
Oh god I feel called out about the pausing to read the meme's thing being hidden in a meme. Well played meta fuck about on your part. I still want one, but then again half the reason I want a Korg Nautilus was for the Wave sequencing support on it.
These workstations are quite a rabbithole
@@AudioPilz I know and I really like them for that, but apparently that makes me weird in some folks eyes.
"Pausing Florian's video to read the memes" lol :D I have to go backwards so much to re-listen to the full sentences because I keep pausing and loose track :D But they're so funny ! Great video again, thank you for your hard word that is so refreshing !
Thank you!!!
NGL, I loved my Wavestation EX. I love my Wavestate even more. Should it be your only synth? Probably not, but I suppose you could make do, it's more versatile than you would think. It's still the most epic evolving pad and drone machine this side of a eurorack rig.
That sums it up nicely!!!
I still have my EX!
@@jamesdefrancesco7765 I seriously considered keeping mine, but the backlight was gone and I was able to trade it for the Wavestate even up so...yeah. Is it exactly the same, no, does it fill the same niche, yep. That said, I cranked out some seriously deranged sounds with my EX!
@@AudioPilz, when are you going to take the Eurorack plunge and do an episode on the Cre8audio NiftyBundle?
This channel is SO great. Love the memes and the solid musical sensibility. Also I died from laughing. The samples library of a bedroom producer. Ski Jam is the best preset of all time. Sue me. Jam at 7:36 is an all time great sounding track. Also sounds maybe like it came from a Genos2 style. Soooo. Do Genos2 soon?
Thank you so much!!!
I like these medium/small size series of synths from Korg.... a lot of nice and unique functions... and sound always is very "usable". Multitembrality in Wavestate is nice feature every synth should have (at least these digital should have)... however the keyboard is a huge downside of this devise. Good review!
Thank you!!!
I'm not sure '"usable'" is the praise you might think it to be.
@@petermgruhn I know what are prices for these synths.
Hey that's my synth :) Well I got the 64 Poly version. But it's not as bad as a lot of people seem to think. It's lightweight, which means you can use it on your lap or in bed, or in a chair/sofa etc, and you'd want to if you wanna learn it and dive deep. And Deep it is! One of the things I've hoped for is that since it's Raspberry Compute module 3B based - is that Korg would eventually let the modding community have at it, meaning release the Synth for Open Source modding, that would place Korg in the history of synths nicely, would be a good idea.
I was one of the lucky early adopters that got it for about 500$ so that wasn't that expensive to me, but 1000$ ? thats a hard sell, nevermind 2300$ that's an impossible sell. Especially since it's very cheap to build with a processor that was created for bedroom developers to begin with.
What I like about it is actually the knobs. You can program 8 of them to do anything you want, any parameter can be set to those 8 white knobs you see there, so you can literally create your own "customized synth", because it does have a LOT of parameters to adjust. You can "simulalte midi-delay", which means you can simulate an old synth setup you've seen in a 80s music video, for example I re-created the intro FM'ish synth from Europe's "Carrie" song to perfection, and it took 30 mins to do so - in fact, once you know how to operate this synth, it's actually incredibly intuitive, because every know is menu-context sensitive, meaning - you twist a knob, and it will directly take you to the corresponding menu - no need to dive too much, just learn that workflow and you'll be up and running faster than imagined, this is new to most traditional synth owners since they are used to the old way of menu diving, most synths don't have a "direct-from-knob-to-menu" functionality this one have, goes for ModWave too!
But yeah, I agree that it could easily have been sold for 300$ and it would have been a huge hit. The most appealing thing about this synth is exactly the layout and knobs (minus the dinky display, which is oled, and prone to line-failure, missing / garbled lines in the display) sadly.
But here's a protip for those who complains about it having too thin sound: If you go to the reverb menu settings, and scroll down, there's a secret - the HQ FILTER settings, here you can adjust the entire frequency range and get as much OOMPF as you'd ever want or your speakers can handle. Very little known well hidden secret, enjoy!
I'd love to see a HackState too!!!
yes the only synthesizer that i actually fell in love with and got mine sat right nextr to me turned on best thing i like about this synth is the one finger jams cause it is eseentially a 4 peice band really and the modulation as well thats a whole new level ive had mine 3 yeares and im just a bit better trhen a novice but i love it me for making banging techno jams
1 finger jams 4 life!!!
@@AudioPilz it does them so well thats why i love it me
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@@AudioPilz well you know dan phillips anyway wahat a guy man me and him argue about ukraine but its dan phillip0s brain child so big shout out to dan phillip0s for been so awesome and coming up with wavestate
Same bud , for solo artists it's pretty great. I do have fun setting up 4 patches with the key parameters and bringing in new sounds as you play. Once the sounds are on you don't need a computer to play it etc.
You're videos are like the Korg Wavestate MkII : beautiful outside, incredibly deep and rich, delightful inside (yes I love this synth)
Thank you so much!!!
100% agree - Wavestate Native and Modwave Native are awesome, but the hardware synths - my impression is I would probably actually be using the software to program them too, and not the knobs and buttons.
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FINALLY my continuous pausing of your videos to read the memes has been referenced in a meme! I had to hit pause twice to read that one.!
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Wieder einmal phantastisch, kurzweilig, informativ, sehr geil vielen Dank
Vielen Dank!
I waited so long for this during Covid. I open up the box and there is a piece of cardboard stuck to it saying "Hey try random!". That was pretty much all the documentation you got. The rest was electrical warnings.
Lol, still better than a Roland manual
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Thank you! Now I can truly feel satisfied with my financial decisions.
Always a pleasure;)
The sounds you achieved from this synth go beyond my comprehension! There are some synths I know I'm not ready for and this is one of them!
You'll never be ready for the Wavestate. The Wavestate will be ready for you.
Definitely worth accepting the challenge
My bad gear infinity gauntlet nears completion... I've owned two of these. Sold the first because it was buggy and made me mad, despite the fact that it does things expensive workstation keyboards don't do. Missed it enough to trade for another one, even though I had the plugin. The button/knob layout makes programming modulation really fun! Pretty hard to find good orchestral multisamples in a portable keyboard. Also, modulating the speed of the timing lane can make it go so fast that it crashes. Normally the "speed" multiplier only goes up by 2-4x at most, but you can send it modulation from one of the knobs that go to 600x. Riding the wave of 98% CPU usage delivers some really wild tones. It's like DFAM's tempo knob cranked all the way up, but then you slow it down and reveal not pounding analog drums, but saxophone squawks and the sounds of people screaming, and like swords and stuff. This thing sucks. It's one of my favorite synths.
"This thing sucks. It's one of my favorite synths." - spot on!!!
Ok Florian, I have the first Wavestate ($425 used) and the VST. They don't sound the same, and I prefer the sound of the hardware. I also have the Wavestation VST, and Wavestate is definitely a successor but goes well beyond it. Korg and Yamaha are about the only companies still making multi-timbral synths or 'workstations'. Yes, it's 90s style sounds, but hey, the 90s were fucking awesome, compared to the Lost Decade of the Millennium when music all but died. The Wavestate is my Psybient, Psytrance synth, and it does a fantastic job with those genres. Playing it is pure enjoyment (the keyboard is just fine); it's my 'desert island' synth. Loved your final jam!
Thanks for the heads up!!!
I suspect the Wavestate's "cheap" plastic case will stand up at least as well as the Poly800. Korg knows how to make low cost synths.
I've had 3 poly 800s and gave up trying to keep them working
Poly800 is made for postapocalyptic use;)
Can I just say, I also loved the use of JoJo's torture dance on the final jam
Thank you!!!
So I'm still not understanding the difference between the MK I and II. I have the MK I and love the thing. it's just an infinite sound generator. . Using the editor really takes it to a more logical place as you can see how it affects what and where. After using it for a while, the randomizer can be used and then "fixed" so that it will become killer. I will also say that the plugin sounds different than the hardware. a lot different to me. but great review and look at it.
More polyphony, more stock samples
keep climbing the algorithm my friend much deserved !
Thank you so much!!!
I think Florian is spying on my package deliveries, he keeps making videos about devices right after I buy one.😆
You know too much
Look outside your window, UPS is out there
be AWARE you might be BLACKMAILED by the EVIL god of SYNTH ! LOL :)
I own Yamaha SY22 and still loving vector synths since I got it. For me it is a great addition to the ever returning copied and same waveshapes from subtractive synthesis. And I like the cold but digital character to spice up the setup. Creativity serves and Audiopilz is the proof of this. This three jams got me and was exciting once again. Damn hot shit. Well done Florian. Only critic is the lame intro but who cares. I will experiment with my golf ball again on the SY. See you next time.
SY22 is really nice!!!! Thanks!!!
there is something about the no bullshit layer tones from that thing that really work for hooks and stuff
My wavestate keeps surprising me, love it, sounds great. Build quality not very good and frustrating to edit but worth it.
A friend let me use his for a bit and it was impenetrable. Homestly not very fun to use but kudos to Korg for making it. The plugin is the way to go for sure though! Happy Friday! No more work for the year! 😊
Have a nice weekend!!!
Ha, again I'm saved! For the moment I thought I saw my Modwave. Puh...
Close;)
i knew my project would make it to this channel eventually! (the volca in the cavity)
Thank you for that one!!!
You're really spoiling us with the memes on this one!!!
One thing I do know: if I'm ever in Wien, I am visiting Klangfarbe!
Nice!!!
nice thing the new comments over black background. love ur videos
Thank you!!! Night mode FTW!!!
Great vid 👍 An amazing machine, totally unnecessary remake, terrible display and keyboard, vastly over-priced.
That sums it up nicely
@@AudioPilz Maybe I could write your scripts 😄
And you edit all this yourself? Do you ever leave the house?😮
It's cold outside anyway;)
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i think the best selling point of this thing is the pure range of sound and modulation! definitely the hardest synth ive had to learn though
Yeah, it can be quite a challenge!!!
One of the best and most fun music channels on all of UA-cam. I can only dream of getting my hands on most of these pieces of kit.
Thank you so much!!!
Regardless of how good Bad Gear already is as a show... is it ever that much better when you actually have one of them! 😆
Happy to hear that!!! Thanks!!!
I actually bought this, and then returned it. It sounded great and did some really cool stuff. It was a nightmare to program though. You don't sound design it. It designs you.
Great stuff! I have the Modwave and Opsix. Especially when used live, the advantage with hardware versions are they allow you to seemlessly change patches while holding down keys.
Thank you!!! Agreed!!!
Which among Modwave, opsix and Wavestate would you say is easier to operate ?
@@pratyulmusic Korg did an amazing job on all of them, but Opsix is probably the easiest to operate, but it isn't as deep. Modwave being a combination of subtractive/wavetable synth with sampling is the most complex of the three.
@@danwentz thank you
Great as always!
The Wavestates are pretty appealing to me, despite some of the shortcomings. The Modwave seems pretty cool, too. Not that I have the money for them, though, heh.
Wavestate is a horrible synth to program, you need to have it tethered to a pc for best results.
If you can get an OG unit cheap, then it's a good machine to get some variations, but that 2 inch screen is horrible.
I wouldn't touch the SE which is 3 times what I paid for an OG unit and sounds exactly the same, diff is AT and extra voices, certainly not worth 4 times more.
Thank you!!!
@@dankeplace Yeah, there's no way I'd get one of the SEs/similar (unless money was no object to me). But the UI of the Wavestate is at least a lot more hands on than that of the Wavestation. And even if I'd use the software for editing (which I'm not even sure about) - hey, at least that's an option.
But again, I don't even have the money for a synth right now, haha
@@slipknotboy555 The Wavestate is much better than the Wavestation for UI BUT it only has 4 lanes of sequencing vs 8.
The software with the Wavestate is the only real way to program and is a breeze to do so, on that 2 inch screen it's a nightmare.
@@dankeplace Yeah, that makes sense
As so often on your channel - wonderful tracks ! Thanks for the priceless lesson !
Thank you so much!!!
No no no... only Dawless ;)
Dawless is the way!!!
Dude the end song in this one was legitimately sick, though I'm a 90s goth kid, so I may be a bit biased! 😂
vsti,s gives you way more control then most synths. integration with the tools your daw gives you makes you a powerhouse
True that!
I was tempted by the wavestate plugin during korg’s half price sale at black friday. But got Diva instead as that one is almost never on sale! Now I am convinced to get it indeed during Korg’s next sale!
Definitely worth giving it a shot!
Hilarious. I bought a Wavestate for big lush, soundscape-y pads but ultimately sold it and use the plugin version instead. I just couldn't get the hang of it and wanted to invest in other hardware instead. Super happy with the plugin version though, it sounds identical and is a bit easier to navigate from a computer screen instead. Just as you said in the outro, I find myself using it more often and more musically as a plugin than I ever did in the hardware version. I would just scroll presets and not really do anything with the menus, but the plugin layout makes it easier to create custom sounds and actually see what you're doing lol
Thank you!!!
I have all 3 and they are amazing synths i get it, the interface is not all friendly, neither is the Octatrack BUT MY BIGGEST complaint is that the knobs on the hardware DOESN'T move the software, TR-8s is a great example on how a Software controls the Hardware and vice versa. Nice Bad Gear as always
Agree
Thank you!!!
thank you for the night version. my cones and rods appreciate it 6:21
Sometimes hate research has to take place late at night;)
9:37 You have validated my purchase a year ago (Wavestate Native software)….which I do not regret and still am amazed at generating B.edazzling A.spirational D.iminsions of sonic tones and chopped sequences with this software gear. My fav. For generating Berlin TD sequences and pad.
Nice!!!
Dear FlowRyan, one of your best videos/jams! I dig that 90s goth you name it thing. Love it, love you. Your Piefke from another border ❤
Vielen Dank!!!
5:05 Opossum-bilities
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gotta say, that aphex twin meme with axl rose in it insted, A+ :D
Thank you!!!
Great episode as usual! I had a wavestate, I loved it and hated it with equal measure. It was everything I wanted but didn't have the time to learn in a box 😄 I much prefer the VST and as soon as It came out I sold my hardware version. I personally think it will be a classic but its its menu diving will forever be a thorn in its cheaply made plastic side.
Thank you so much!!!
That's cool if it want to turn your computer and stare at a screen on every time you want to play music.
@@-The-Darkside " A Screen-On "" Sounds a bit rude
09:16 pleased/slightly meta ashamed to pause and read the ''Life of a Home Producer - Pausing Florian's youtube to read the memes" meme
Have switched on a synth out of embarrassment 😅
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I use the plugin when im not in my studio. I use the wavestate editor with the hardware to sound design in the studio. I use the hardware when I play live. Its the perfect setup. And i think im going to do the same with the minifreak soon.
Nice approach!!!
Even when Hulk Hogan pulls a Wavestate out of a tree and you are still not sure if you want it 😂 When WS for first on sale I spent ages trying to find a reason to justify buying it as was not into soundtracky music and the learning curve and fiddly UI didn't appeal, 2 years later ended up buying the VST when it was on sale am happy I have it in my collection for when the mood strikes without the hassles of intense menu diving and more keys.😎💃
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My man! This is THE best Channel EVERRRRRRRR! Love your stuff man 🙂
Thank you so much!!!
Programming this might be more intimidating than an Octatrack
It is to a certain degree...
that filter modulation stuff on the first jam was super cool
Thank you so much!!!
You are the best, I thoroughly enjoyed this as well as your cameo on Bob Eats. You should cover the new TE EP-133, that is, if you are lucky and find a working one lol. "Hence forth, thou shall be known as.. Darth Fader" 😂
Thank you!!!
I think I’ve pressed pause in your videos more times than I did on every other UA-cam video I’ve ever watched
Way of the Bad Gear;) Thanks for watching!!!
for some reason I ended up looking up raspberry pi's website saw the Korg name as an industrial customer saw this synth listed as the final product and thought there must be a bad gear review and now I'm hear literally a day after its posted what awesome serendipity
So you are saying that it must be bad gear if it uses a processor many times more powerful than what 99% of digital hardware synths get?
Don't forget to check out the OpSix episode!!!
nah I'm just saying if there is some synth gear then chances are there is a bad gear review@@Jason75913
also its korg of course there is a bad gear review ;) @@Jason75913
Fun fact: Famous "Sky Jam" preset was used by Jan Hammer's Virtual Reality track for Beyond The Mind's Eye computer animated movie.
To bad that expensive Wavestate SE unlike its predecessor Wavestate EX and A/D (rack) have no vocoder. Good thing is that Wavestates have hands-on controls and expanded wave sequencing.
Love that movie!!!
Oh hey the user reviews segment is set to dark mode this week. That's neat.
Late night hate research;)
Keeping my 👀peeled on Reverb for the inevitable ~$350 blow out.
Will happen;)
My goodness that intro spiel. High five.
Thank you!!!
I wouldn't pay full price for it due to the build quality, but the MK1 regularly goes for ~400 bucks used which I feel like is a pretty good deal if you enjoy hardware more or want to play live with it. The joystick is simple but a pretty major part of the sound and experience. In my opinion that makes it worth having the hardware unit if you can get a good deal on it.
400 bucks sounds about right!
9:17 "Pausing Florians youtube to read the memes"
bruh... you got me
Great videos and sounds.
I would like to see you put a UDO Super 6 and Waldorf Iridium to work making great sounds. I have high hopes for the outcome.
Thank you!!! Great suggestion!!!
Original wavestation rack versions available for roughly the same price. Less portable, yes, but a lot of fun if you have a decent midi controller.
True that!
Like that Moog Mariana reference. Having been waiting for the Minitaur to restock, it was a pleasant surprise to see an official Moog bass soft synth for $49. Now, I've set my sights on the more readily available Subharmonicon.
Thanks!!! I really have to give that one a try!
@@AudioPilz Whenever you're in California you can borrow mine. lol.
The intro clip is same one for years now and it seems you never age (or change your clothes). I've conclued you must be an immortal.😊
It’s that healthy lifestyle;)
For an old guy that doesn't like software Synths, the size of the korg series is a big plus : a lot of hardware! Synths with little place needed.
To me the wavestate is one of the best Synthesizers released in the last few years and so I bought a second one 😊.
My only complaint is the small display. Korg missed the chance here with the se version.
Good point!!!
The Korg Wavestation Ipad app + some sort of controller is cool, it makes the actual synth engine tweakable without going through as you said "this mariana trench of parameters" lol
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Will we get a Modwave video to complete the set of Korg digital synths? Your OpSix video convinced me to commit to buying the new module... which is now delayed until October. Wouldn't be Korg is the didn't mess up their production somehow, I guess.
Seems like it could use the Iridium type of interface, lots of knobs, decent keys, large screen. As long as they glue it in properly of course.
Lol, shots fired;)
@@AudioPilz 2600 dollars for what is in essence a glorified special purpose computer that has it's screen fall out? It's not priced like a pocket operator (which have gone up quite a lot too!).
9:17 "Pausing Florian's youtube to read the memes"
Hahaha, I've read it😂😂😂
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Great thing is that extra banks works with vst and hardware.
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I love my Wavestate ! Didn't know that there was an MKII already. Theresa nice Korg editor that makes creating your wavesequences so much easier.
In a couple of weeks the MC-505, now the Wavestate. I feel this is personal. What's next, Maschine+?
You know too much;)
“Pausing Florian’s youtube to read the memes” lol, guilty.
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It’s such a great synth. Especially if you send it your own .wav. Made it 100 times more useful, to me. But it’s not for everyone. It’s for "mod matrix nerds." You know who you are, you deviants. 👨🔬
Here!!!
You haven't done the Analog Rytm mkII yet have you? Now's the time! Put down four on the floor, smack up a dual vco bass track, lay down random trigs in minor pentatonic and turn on the euclidean mode. Eternal dancefloor baby!
Nice!!! Great suggestion, thank you!!!
Jem Godfrey (Frost*) used 2 Wavestate in live condition on his last tour.
Wow, didn't know. Thanks for posting!!!
I really like the pad sounds
Same here!!!
While i understand the just use the plug in, something about having physical control and keyboard just feels better to me personally. (And yes you've convinced me to get this one as well 😂)
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