"Punti" is Hakka for "local". In Cantonese, it's "Puntei". The Punti people were basically the Cantonese people. Their animosity extended to Malaya where, during the 19th century, 2 major triads fought each other over control of the tin mining industry. The 2 triads were the Hai San (Hakka) & the Ghee Hin (Cantonese). The British intervened and the war finally ended.
@Daniel Boey Not only in Malaya. The Hakka migrated to Taiwan after most fertile lands were cultivated by Minnan-Hokien people. They also fought Many wars with the Minanese and indigenous peoples. Outwardly Hakka seemed to be a disadvantaged group. But many Minanese (mainland China and Taiwan), Cantonese, Chaozhou people described them as greedy and land grabbing dialect group. Every group has good and bad people. Don't put a stigma on them and be open minded.
My great grandfather also came to Borneo island along with many other Hakka too, probably already 5 generations if i were not wrong. there is also called "Punthi-Hak" which probably refer to Hakka who already aquired some land and settled like my great grandfather and other Hakka here in Borneo.
@Daniel Boy @ son of heaven In Semenanjung Malaysia some many years ago Hakka who are born and bred in Malaysia also called themselves Punti Hak. They want to differ themselves from those Hakka born in China which are called Tongsan Hak. 唐山客. In China Guangdong Province there are two Prefectures, 梅州市 and 河源市 there are nearly 100% Hakka. So there were and are Punti as well as there are very few other dialek group. The Hakka is a relative term used by the imperial dynasties government to identify residents who newly migrated to lands which were already developed by the Puntis which already organised into villages and has ancestral temples,祠堂. In some Cantonese and Teochew counties, late commers Hakka still managed to cultivate new farming lands and form small Hakka villages among established Punti villages
@@laurencechan470 : You need to know that... the Qing dynasty... they were the mongolians and manchurians. The original Hans... were from the Song dynasties... and a few genuine Hans chinese are left inside China. Many individuals today, are actually mixed race. Mixed with mongolians (Qing dynasty)... and also koreans (Jin dynsty).... The last few ruling genuine Hans chinese were (Ming dynasty) And (Song dynasty). This is why.. when "Taiping Rebellion".... (太平 - 天國 - 運動 = Pacific - Heavenly Kingdom - Exercise ) took place... it was a clash of the Pacific (meaning, those from outside of China, the foreigners).... or the fight about the foreign trades... basically. I now get why... some people, like, the genuine cantonese and Ming's people.. literally would have second wives.. or mistresses in hope to continue to expand their own legacies. Cos frankly... why shouldn't they live as genuine chinese, and on their own turfs any more ?? And today, in Malaya... and SE Asian... so many people are now.. they intermarried with those local tribes. And aren't even chinese any more. Even if they have Hans Chinese names. Shouldn't they follow the rights... to actually erase those chinese written names.. and assimilate into those societies already? Cos the war is already lost. No more Chinese.
thank you for the educational video. the "Hakka Explained" video was what brought me to this brilliant channel in the first place a year ago. I am Hakka and 3 generations before me settled in the modern-day Malaysian state of Sarawak and I always wondered what was the catalyst for my family's migration overseas. Like many other Hakka families, it is impossible to tell. Nevertheless, videos like these help me understand more about my roots.
My grandfather was one of those Hakka sold into slavery in Malaysia, he managed to escape and even started his own family. Very interesting video, good to learn about the past
Was he really "bought and sold"... or was he willing to work abroad, because somebody gave him money to do so ? Cos his home had no money, and that he had no inheritances, cos he was living on somebody else's turf ??? Cos every farms and areas, had their own central treasury/family wealth pot etc etc etc. Which is it to be ???
Same. My great-great grandfather was also Hakka from Guangdong and sold into slavery in Malaysia during the Punti wars. My great-great grandfather’s owners liked his work ethic and let him buy out his freedom. He later started his own shipping company in the later years of his life.
Im a Hakka from Borneo. I believe my ancestors migrated there during the conflict. Hakka womrn were popular with their hardworking and capable hands so they even were employed to build roads in Borneo.
Interesting to learn about this history. I am from Qingxi area in Dongguan. I've always heard people refer to non Hakka speaking locals as Bunti. I think our family have settle there for many generations but I just realized that village was not our village and we invaded it generations ago. I just didn't know because we immigrated to the US when I was a kid. There are some Bundi villages amongst our majority Hakka town but we seem to not associate with them much. But it makes sense now. Come to think of it, all the surrounding Hakka villages probably belong to Bundi clans. I only found out just by asking my dad this stuff out of curiosity. What a tragic time.
You also need to remember that, the English alphabet romanisation of the chinese language of "punti" 本地 and "hakka".... 客家.... So why would the chinese character "客" (guest) be used here ? If the individual is a foreigner to that specific areas? If you watch the old actual movies about imperial times, then you would know that, some cities were gated, and they were closed off, to outsiders. That is appropiate, and it tries to follow Imperial Laws. All laws are applied to the people living inside the city itself. And anybody else is a foreigner. A migrant to the area, and the region. It had always been this way.... So why are people acting like, "because you have the internet, everything can be yours, even if it is owned by somebody else" ??? Why are people fighting to this extreme ??? The words "Punti" and "Hakka"... were the Westerners trying to put some kind of orders, and understanding, in order to do trades. This is why, you would find old documents, with such words in them... Cos to try to "smooth" the feelings after the second world war, this is what took place. Well.. cos you invaded those people, and those people ran off... Well.. this is possibly, why now.. the "national security laws" were enacted in HK as well.... Cos surely, some people are allowed to live on their own land, and their own turfs, right ? Even the house that I live in here in the UK.. (and I class myself as a "punti".. is owned by a Lord.).... and in a way, I am only "renting" the space.. as I live.. and I pay my taxes etc. This is why I need to earn money, to keep living. So when does.. the calm.. will happen for China ? When ?
Well, that is true on my mother's side of the family. Her father was a Hakka and her mother was a Punti. If the Hakka-Punti wars continued, it would have been in a marital context 😄
This channel is a great resource for the history of the ethnic han disapora. I've looked for information on this topic in english and none have been as detailed as this video.
Thank you for sharing such informative video. I am Hakka from overseas and I still speak the language. To me, any piece of history feels like drinking morning dew in an arid land.
@Asianometry I am a descendant of a Punti. My ancestors lived in Taishan county for 30 over generations, which is the most ravaged county in the Hakka-punti animosity regions. During the Taiping Rebellion the occupying soldiers and officers were mostly Hakkas. Like you said most local Hakkas were farming workers for the Punti landowners. When Taiping soldiers came, these local Hakkas and Hakkas from surrounding counties ganged up with Taiping soldiers and seized lands from the Punti owners. With the collapsed of Taiping Rebellion the Punti owners gathered a mighty force to drive out the Hakkas Many died from fights. The Qing government settled the Hakkas of the Taisan County to a southern most township of Chixi赤溪鎮 bordering the sea. Many Hakkas from the 4 Siyi 四邑counties of Taishan, Kaiping, xinhui, Enping were settled to Hainan(before the feuds has very few Hakkas), Guangxi, Southern Hunan etc to avoid further bkoodsheds. There is a Cantonese proverb: 客家霸地主 Hakka seizing land from Punti, often heard in Hongkong movies and dramas. Cantonese Old timers discouraged children from marrying Hakkas. .
My grandma is a Hakka from Meixian County in Guangdong migrates to Indonesia, surprisingly she made friends with Cantonese, but not really with the Hokkian, some Cantonese shop owners want to marry their daughter with my dad. Lol 😂 but my dad chose her own girlfriend my mom who is Hokkian peranakan
@@gene.dig17: No.. because they represent from different imperial dynasties of people. Aka... from different royal family trees.... and they aren't cousins cos it's from different race I think too. Check out their surnames and DNA etc. Fyi... Japan has a sophisticated system that actually keep things separate and legitimate as well. If you understand something then you understand something. Day chu = Landlord.... lol... I used to think, why do I need to pray in front of an actual alter with the day chu. I realised that is because that location is where my ancestors put down roots. Western philosophy calls it a religion or calls it a philosophy. How about seeing it as an actual method for documentation and to keep unity of the family clan ? Then the top tier actually has the real ancestors etc.
I'm Puntei, or Cantonese, myself. Giving the world great people like Sun Yat-Sen and Lee Kuan-Yew redeems the Hakka in my eyes, and I am a strong believer in the familial bonds between all Chinese.
@@ChungshanStoryHakka people don't feel they are Chinese, see their Building in the Taman Mini Indonesia in Jakarta, it is called the Hakka Museum and not the Chinese Museum ! They feel they are Hakka more than they feel they are Chinese ! It is different with the Hokkian people which call themselves as Tanglang (Chinese people from Tang country), seldom mentions the word Hokkian . There would never be a "Hokkian" museum , instead the Hokkians will call the building the Chinese Museum instead (not the Hokkian museum), different than the Hakkas with their non Han thinking
Jika kamu bukan orang Hakka jangan memberi penilaian kepada kami orang hakka, anda mengatakan kami lebih merasa Hakka dari pada orang china hanya karna museum hakka di taman mini, anda tau anda telah menghina kami orang hakka. Anda terdengar bodoh dengan mengatakan orang hokkien memanggil diri mereka sebagai Tang Lang atau orang tiochew memanggil diri mereka sebagai Teng Nang tapi anda tidak tau bahwa kami orang hakka memanggil kami sendiri sebagai Thong Nyin. Pesan saya kalau anda tidak tau atau hanya tau sedikit lebih baik diam. Kami putra putri keturunan hakka kami bangga dengan luluhur kami, kami bangga dengan sebagai orang china indonesia dan kami lebih bangga lagi sebagai warga negara indonesia tempat kami hidup dan berbakti.
@@santiom5631 Don't get me wrong, in China Mainland there is also only Hakka museum , no Hokkien museum or canton museum. Hakka have facinating story, hardship, preservation of ancient tradition, and the political influence from the time of the Chinese revolution to the China you see today. we also call ourselves Tong Nyin 唐人 (Tang people). I'm sorry, Your ignorance makes you look stupid, lack knowledge and insight
@@Zero_Contradictions Well, maybe I shouldn't have, but some people have just a less cuddly tone and UA-cam isn't the dinner of the Queen of England, I am sure Hawai Fighting Alliance didn't cry over my comment, relax.
In East Kalimantan (Borneo) island in Indonesia during the 1800-'s the Hakka traders formed an army to relinquish the TeoChiu organized traders, they won with many dead among the TeoChiu's, then built a "(Hakka) Republic" in East Kalimantan. But today the TeoChius descendants there has forgotten what happened to their ancestors two hundred years ago
But Hakka and Teo Chiu people are the same though, aren't they ??? You need to check out which hakka people, this is. Or is it a case of two lots of hakka people fighting for land and resources?? It's good to also check out why people are killed as well... If indeed some people were part of the Imperial elites, then defying their orders, often get your entire family killed off. It doesn't make sense if they were both hakka people... Those were the days and the laws back in those days.
@@MeiinUK Nope, its like French and Brits. The language, cuisine, traditional rituals for example funerals and weddings are entirely different. If teochew and hakka can be lump up as the same, then so as Koreans and Japanese as we do share many words in teochew, hakka and fujianese. though we might seem the same, we are NOT at all. observe the similarity yet differences for the word local ie benti in Official China language , here is a few example. Poon thi = hakka, poon tay = teochew, poon nie = foochow. poontei = cantonese, benti = putonghwa
@@MrNajibrazak: I wrote the "chiu chow"... and hakka. Cos some of the Chiu Chow people in HK or in SG... are actually Hakka people. From Chiu Chow. Punti in this context and in this scenario are the Cantonese... and most likely not Northern tribes.. but the Bai Yue people more like.
@@MrNajibrazakThe French and the British are a BAD example because they historically, culturally and in the language they SHARE a lot. The current english language is even partially derived from French(and German).
Punti is not a clan. Pen Di Ren (本地人) literally means a native or locally born person. The whole conflict was between nativists vs immigrants. Even today, that term is still used in many areas with native Chinese populations to refer to themselves in contradistinction to recent immigrants. For example, the descendants of the Hakkas who migrated to Singapore would refer to themselves as pen di ren to distinguish themselves from newcomers from China.
I'm a 4th generation Chinese born in the diaspora. N yes we still identify according to our subgroups. A magical bond is formed the moment you met a total stranger from your subgroup
Punti = local (people) = 本地 ( in this video war, punti is mostly refer Cantonese (廣府人） Vs Hakka = guest stay (people) = 客家 FYI: in Guangdong provincal (廣東) area, there are 3 major branches of Chinese 1. Cantonese （廣府人), who nowadays living in Guangzhou (廣州 - the capital of Guangdong) and HongKong, they are major branch who speak Yue (粵) language. 2. Teochew （潮州人) living in Chaozhou and Shantou (Teo-swa), east coastal area of Guangdong near Fujian province (福建), they speak Teochew, a part of MinNan （閩南）language. 3. Hakka (客家人), living mostly in area of Northeast Guangdong (Meixian [梅縣] of Meizhou [梅州] of Guangdong). They speak Hakka language. All are Sintic language. The Hakka is not called by their local living area, Hakka also found in Fujian, Guangxi, Taiwan and Vietnam
punti actually means local people or "originnal sons of the soil" who have already settled the area for many generations. Is like when irish immigrants escaping potato famine fled to america there was already irish and english people living in america for many many generations so though all are irish but the new comers are seen as guest or sometimes as invaders, so it is also with the hakka in china, even though all are chinese the word hakka means guest was a derogatory word given by the locals to these new comers.
In Hawaii, around this time, Chinese were recruited to come to Hawaii to work on the sugar plantations. In "Chinese in Hawaii: A Historical and Demographic Perspective" by Nordyke and Lee, once their labor contracts were over, most Chinese stayed and built their communities. "The majority were Cantonese, or Punti, from the Chungshan district in the lower part of the Pearl River Delta. A significant group, speaking variants of Southern Min dialect, also originated from areas in Chungshan. About one fourth were Hakkas..... there were also small numbers from Sze Yap and other districts." There were some problems between the groups but after several generations, intermarrying with the local population, these conflicts are non existent, and they've become part of Hawaii's multi ethnic culture.
To say that the Punti or the Cantonese migrated out of China is not accurate! Most of them were sold as slaves or labourers and to be exploited in overseas. The Qing government is one of the major factor of these wars as the Qing(Manchurians) were more than happy to see the Han Chinese(both Hakka & Cantonese were Han Chinese) killing each and other as the Manchus were the minority. The Qing dynasty turned a blind eye to the conflicts and even encourage these wars initially until it was out of control. This is the same as the British's divide and rule strategy. The Manchus were a minority and they always had this feared of a united Han Chinese overturning their government. Many older generation Cantonese and Hakka still hated each other because of these wars where the horror stories were pasted down generations after generations for the overseas Chinese.
Even though you say that, some of the "Cantonese were sold".. if it is to the case of the British... well.. my grandfather got a wage, and we got housing. So.. and then in return those money came back into HK as well.. otherwise, the elites would not be kowtowing so politely ..... (and they came back with the British Army to boot too.. since they drove those ships which they worked on)..... ua-cam.com/video/Kk6gfAtwZ7Q/v-deo.html
I use to live in Long Island NY. We had a Chinese neighbor who spoke Mandarin. We spoke Hoisan. Mom didn't get along with her because she would call her Hakka and mom would call her Bak fong ngin (northern). Now I know why the insults. Greetings from sunny northwestern Minnesota 🌞
thats fascinating since as taishanes we would be more punti and not hakka but it's interesting somewhat how close hakka sounds to some regional taishanese
@Skypad00 I had no idea because my siblings and I were raised in northern Minnesota and had moved to NY. Didn't know anything about China or Chinese language. I was
Thanks for sharing this. Punti should be translated to "Local" - Cantonese 本地人（local people) , as opposed to people of the earth (土人-people of the land)
PUNTI means local (native). HAKKA is one of several Han Chinese ethnic group which originated from Northern China. The HAKKA were nomads (became nomadic 1,700 years ago).
You mean evacuating entire population 30 miles from coastline along entire east coast just to conquer Taiwan? The things China will do... and US thinks it can deter
They fail because they fell short of what Song and Jin (Post 3k Sima clan rule) did better: plan ahead and comprehensively to secure well the Southern half. The Qing or CP in the north would have stood on their two feet better too compared to the real timeline.
Watch this... ua-cam.com/video/XyibyJXdAg4/v-deo.html This is about the Song dynasties in HK... as well... Cos.. they took the Emperor... and legally turned him into a erving Emperor... but in the end, his civil servants... all killed themselves in the sea.. to stop the legacy or the idea to be taken by their enemies. The child was a legitimate heir. And they gave him the title. Cos they know that, once they lose the war... the Imperial Seal would be taken over.. and the other party would rule the land. To stop them from doing this... They rather killed themselves off instead. They became citizens. (There are actual.. very low key heirs.. elsewhere... but they just don't have the ruling powers. Or the seal. Maybe they don't have a high number of themselves... but that is why, so many things happen the way it does.) The Mongols (Of Yuan Dynasty was not Hans chinese). Nor were the Jin dynasty (Korean) .... This is why today, the Souther is a big big big mess.
Oh.... why is the South China sea so important? I don't think that it is about the actual... petrol and oil. Cos the Emperor killed themselves down there as well... along with the imperial seal. (Some feng shui people say... find the Imperial Seal... and you would re-establish back the Hans dynasty...)
Do you know most leaders are Hakkas in recent history of China ? Do you know the three famous sisters from the Song family were Hakkas from the island of Hainan ? The three sisters are Song Ai ling, married With the richest man in China. The secong sister Song Qing ling, married with Sun Yet Seng and the third one married with Chiang Kai Shak.
@@azulahuang3154 : You need to double check that as well... cos the "punti" surnames are quite specific.... if my understanding is correct. And some people assume that, certain individuals are "hakka", but they are not ? Actually. Why so many people assume others were "hakka" could have been because ROC.. were actually running the UN then. At that time. So....
It's why some taiwanese restaurant oversea serves beef intestine because prob it's hakka crusine which is still delicious but strange from my Han crussine.
In Malaysia, there were Hakka secret society such as hai san海山literally translated to sea mountain...nowadays we go for hakka noodle ..a nice filling simple and affordable dish
In Kuching Sarawak, our natives and the Malays just simply love the authentic Hepoh Lei Cha（河婆擂茶） and the Hakka motherwort Chicken( 益母草鸡). Our Hakkas never had conflict with the locals here but did fight with the British King of Sarawak, Raja James Brooke. Over 2000 Hakka gold miners, mostly women and their children, were smoked to death in a cave in the gold mining town of Bau. Today special permit must be applied to visit the cave.
@@azulahuang3154 in Kuching it is pronounced as Hopoh Lui Cha or just simply Lui Cha, not my favourite dish as i always get indigestions after that. To many, it is an acquired taste but it is gradually disappearing. Fast.
This is interesting, thank you for making this video. But one thing that is not quite accurate is it says that the red turban rebellion was in the Ming Dynasty yet it started in the Yuan Dynasty (the one before the Ming) when Mongolians ruled China through Genghis Khan's grandson. The Punti (pronounced more like "bundi" which means "natives of the soil") in the red turban rebellion were resisting the Hun who had invaded the territories. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Turban_Rebellions#:~:text=The%20Red%20Turban%20Rebellions%20(Chinese,of%20Mongol%20rule%20in%20China.
Many of my relatives back in China really hated the Hakka people for the trouble they caused. My grandfather said that practically all the rebellions in ancient China were started by the Hakka. They were the ones that would stereotypically cause problems for the local Han population and escalate tensions to new levels. In fact, many of the leaders in the revolution that toppled the Qing Dynasty, like Sun Yat-Sen, were Hakka.
@Kazuha Itō 伊藤 かずは Well said. There is a Sun Yatsen memorial museum in downtown Shiqi 石歧 the provincial capital of Zhongshan county where Sun was born and bred. They have ancestral records 族譜 that can prove Sun is not Hakka.
Why ? So the USA can exploit it ? Well as a Hakka descendent and knowing a lot of Punti descendents we both hate white people more and are united in resistance to American influence.
Yes. Mainstream Han Chinese parents that hold on to traditional prejudices will be pissed if their kids marry a Hakka. Kind of like KKK Whites in the Southern States Of America would react if their kids marry you-know-who.
@@georgeso4364 Especially Cantonese in the Siyi/Seiyap counties where Punti- Hakka fights killed thousands of people after the collapse of the Taiping Rebellion.
Laurence Chan Yeah, my aunt went hysterical when her eldest son married a Hakka and even refused to come to the wedding. It’s sad how these ancient prejudices cling on. Luckily, my cousin is in a happy marriage and they are wise enough to let go of age-old hatreds.
@@georgeso4364 Every dialect group has good and bad people. We must not be prejudice against a certain group. Your cousin is a wise man. Happiness to his and your families.
Yeh. I know... I am reading this very very local data now.... and this is why the push back from HK now.... what it has not done is audit who is who etc.
Not true, while the Taiping thought of themselves as Christian, they were not accepted by the West as they were anti-west too. They believed that God does not resides and dictate by the West and as such, they were not supported by them although they were free to preach. The leader considered himself a brother of Jesus and had visions of God himself and does not bow down to the Western missionaries. The Taiping leaders were Hakka and also with a lot of the minorities support and they control the South for more than 50 years. They started the first communes in China based on the earlier chapters of the Bible.
@@jasonyap7634 - That is how missionary did to Native Indians in America. 1st, came in as peaceful religious mission. 2nd, established there with Native people. 3rd, divided within their own people. 4th, supported to kill each other. 5th, after all the killings, the west came in and colonized the place. Think again, Jesus didn't come from China. The bibles they read were from missionary. The weapons they got for Taiping war were from the west. Go to Middle East and see the geopolitical conflicts.
Amongst all the shouty, uninformed dross this stands out as helping a lot if people to understand who they are. This is nothing at all to do with me incidentally, just a curious bystander
I think you might need other languages not just English to grasp what is meant. The land in English can mean lots of things - not just a patch of earth but 'the land of my fathers' and so on.
@@dewittbourchier7169 my comment was to aim at the video translation which is incorrect in its context. Punti = 本地 and it is used by Cantonese speakers to refer to themselves relative to somebody who is a migrant (外省人), which in this case is the Hakkas (客家). Hakka is a Cantonese term that is phonetically translated into English and it roughly means guests. Why do many foreigners like you feel compelled to tell a Chinese person what his native tongue means?
@@361983200 How one might translate it. And because I have dealt with this same problem with speakers of other Indo-European languages where they will translate a word closely but not quite accurately like the French word 'patrie' is not just 'fatherland'
There is a mix up on your imaginative stretch of time . First you said people on long stretch coastal land were forced to move inland for over 50 years, then conveniently you said the the hakka came and or were invited to come over, Over Centuries. NOW a time of 50 years and a time of over centuries just do not jive. Are you doing a magic on historical facts? Or you should correct yourself and just say the 50 years episode was but just a small factor in whatever is your explanation of reason and effect.
Your map of Punti controlled province uprising incorrectly showed Manchu Conquered China ( Manchu Qing dynasty) to include the nation of Tibet which factually was never a part of the Manchu empire as China , East Turkestan, and Taiwan were.
''War is the most stupid things that people do' .... Learn from past mistakes, so as not to repeat stupidities in the future. I hope all Chinese will grow strong together. Forget the old Hatred. Don't encourage our offspring with hate. Wether you're descendants of Manchu, Mongol, Uyghur, Han .. we're now New China ❤ 新中国 💪 Let's build our future together.
@@patrickleong8374 yes 本 is an aspirated P in Hakka different from Cantonese B( unspirated p in han yu pingyin). 地 is ti in Hakka different from Cantonese tei. Well, Hakka slso settled in Teochew and Hokien areas and they were called Khek Nang 客人. Teochew and Hokien also call themselves Bunti
@@laurencechan470 in teochew and hokkien its pronounced as poontay /puntey whilst hakka is punti. i speak teochew and hakka at home following my mother's side as she is a mix of both. khek nang is hakka people in Hokkien for those which are confused. there are easily 7 dialects from South China and all sounds almost similar but also entirely different at times while PutongHwa feels absolutely foreign like Korean & Japanese. Given a different twist in history, all these dialects should be seen as languages of their own, like Korean & Japanese language which also shares similar words with Hokkien, teochew & hakka. personally i found foochow the hardest to get right. anyway, siak pa mui. xD
why are you calling it a Hakka dialect? When you speak e.g. Mandarin you clearly don't understand a word of Hakka. So shouldn't it be called the Hakka language?
@@Jack-mm3bl : "Punti" is not a race as such, but this is based on writing or diaries or observation from somebody who wrote about this. And this is why it is now translated as directly because... "punti" means that there were people already there. As opposed to.. which the British did in terms of their writing to say that nobody was in HK at that time ? So this article dispel that myths. And in fact, there might have been people, even if the figures were not beyond 100k people. But there were people there. Just not in the millions. So when people were "dictated to move to the coasts"... by the so called Qing dynasities... this is whereby a war broke out.. the assumption that nobody was there.. and then the people came back to defend their homes and everything.... maybe somebody sent the signal.. but in the end, this is why they broke out in war. Around 1 million people died. So who were these people that died ? Why did they come back then ??? Or did those families or established registered residents, called "their relatives" from nearby to fight back this invasion ??? What do you think really happened ???? Did they went to their local provincial governor and called for back up ? What do you think happened and why the 1 million in deaths ???? When you see a sitation, and "facts", and the timelines and everything, isn't it weird that... sometimes, certain information is missing from the written work ?????
A lesson for chinese not to fight among themselves. This lesson must be learn especially Taiwan people to accept and negotiate peace reunification with china and jointly control their south china sea now threatened by usa and Philippines.
the history of China never fail to repeat itself. it is akin that the entire race is under a curse. China better look inwards first and fix itself instead of pointing at ppl all the time. and Taiwan is a country.
China is threatening everyone in SEA not the other way around! China claiming sea as far as the Borneo sea wtf they are thousand miles away from China. SEA nations must unite to fight back againts China thievery.
Your claims on SCS is rubbish. South East Asia depends on it for supplies as well and trade lanes. The hilarity of drawing lines and claiming as your own when so many countries depend on it.
Di China justru orang Hakka pada merantau ke seluruh dunia ,sedangkan di China hanya suku Hui dan wihur yg agama Islam tidak mencintainya budaya China ,mencintainya budaya Arab ,sedangkan orang Hakka mencintain budaya Tiongkok dan promosi jadi wisata
5:37 what do you mean "cant control the army"? War is is about looting and raping. its the right of the soldier in waging war. It's been always like that for thousand of years. Don't put modern standard on it.
"Punti" is Hakka for "local". In Cantonese, it's "Puntei". The Punti people were basically the Cantonese people. Their animosity extended to Malaya where, during the 19th century, 2 major triads fought each other over control of the tin mining industry. The 2 triads were the Hai San (Hakka) & the Ghee Hin (Cantonese). The British intervened and the war finally ended.
@Daniel Boey Not only in Malaya. The Hakka migrated to Taiwan after most
fertile lands were cultivated by Minnan-Hokien people.
They also fought Many
wars with the Minanese and indigenous peoples. Outwardly Hakka seemed to be a disadvantaged group.
But many Minanese (mainland China and Taiwan), Cantonese,
Chaozhou people described them as greedy and land grabbing dialect group.
Every group has good and bad people. Don't
put a stigma on them and be open minded.
My great grandfather also came to Borneo island along with many other Hakka too, probably already 5 generations if i were not wrong. there is also called "Punthi-Hak" which probably refer to Hakka who already aquired some land and settled like my great grandfather and other Hakka here in Borneo.
@Daniel Boy @ son of heaven In Semenanjung Malaysia
some many years ago
Hakka who are born and bred in Malaysia also called themselves Punti Hak. They want to differ themselves from those Hakka born in China which are called Tongsan Hak.
唐山客. In China Guangdong Province
there are two Prefectures, 梅州市 and 河源市 there are
nearly 100% Hakka. So there were and are Punti as well as there are very few other dialek group. The Hakka
is a relative term used
by the imperial dynasties government
to identify residents who newly migrated
to lands which were already developed by
the Puntis which already organised into villages and has ancestral temples,祠堂.
In some Cantonese and Teochew counties,
late commers Hakka
still managed to cultivate new farming
lands and form small Hakka villages among established Punti villages
@@johnnyzhao7698 now I know where the Pontianak name came from. 👍
@@laurencechan470 : You need to know that... the Qing dynasty... they were the mongolians and manchurians. The original Hans... were from the Song dynasties... and a few genuine Hans chinese are left inside China. Many individuals today, are actually mixed race. Mixed with mongolians (Qing dynasty)... and also koreans (Jin dynsty).... The last few ruling genuine Hans chinese were (Ming dynasty) And (Song dynasty). This is why.. when "Taiping Rebellion".... (太平 - 天國 - 運動 = Pacific - Heavenly Kingdom - Exercise ) took place... it was a clash of the Pacific (meaning, those from outside of China, the foreigners).... or the fight about the foreign trades... basically.
I now get why... some people, like, the genuine cantonese and Ming's people.. literally would have second wives.. or mistresses in hope to continue to expand their own legacies. Cos frankly... why shouldn't they live as genuine chinese, and on their own turfs any more ?? And today, in Malaya... and SE Asian... so many people are now.. they intermarried with those local tribes. And aren't even chinese any more. Even if they have Hans Chinese names. Shouldn't they follow the rights... to actually erase those chinese written names.. and assimilate into those societies already? Cos the war is already lost. No more Chinese.
thank you for the educational video. the "Hakka Explained" video was what brought me to this brilliant channel in the first place a year ago. I am Hakka and 3 generations before me settled in the modern-day Malaysian state of Sarawak and I always wondered what was the catalyst for my family's migration overseas. Like many other Hakka families, it is impossible to tell. Nevertheless, videos like these help me understand more about my roots.
My grandfather was one of those Hakka sold into slavery in Malaysia, he managed to escape and even started his own family. Very interesting video, good to learn about the past
who bought n who sold, or was it snake heads people that exploit cheap labour?
@@aloyd6157 he died before i was born so i don't know. I don't think he shared much with his kids
Was he really "bought and sold"... or was he willing to work abroad, because somebody gave him money to do so ? Cos his home had no money, and that he had no inheritances, cos he was living on somebody else's turf ??? Cos every farms and areas, had their own central treasury/family wealth pot etc etc etc. Which is it to be ???
Same. My great-great grandfather was also Hakka from Guangdong and sold into slavery in Malaysia during the Punti wars. My great-great grandfather’s owners liked his work ethic and let him buy out his freedom. He later started his own shipping company in the later years of his life.
@@belikestephanie that's pretty cool! My grandad started his own rubber plantation
Im a Hakka from Borneo. I believe my ancestors migrated there during the conflict. Hakka womrn were popular with their hardworking and capable hands so they even were employed to build roads in Borneo.
Thanks for the vid. Gives perspectives I hadn't thought about.
Interesting to learn about this history. I am from Qingxi area in Dongguan. I've always heard people refer to non Hakka speaking locals as Bunti. I think our family have settle there for many generations but I just realized that village was not our village and we invaded it generations ago. I just didn't know because we immigrated to the US when I was a kid. There are some Bundi villages amongst our majority Hakka town but we seem to not associate with them much. But it makes sense now. Come to think of it, all the surrounding Hakka villages probably belong to Bundi clans. I only found out just by asking my dad this stuff out of curiosity. What a tragic time.
You also need to remember that, the English alphabet romanisation of the chinese language of "punti" 本地 and "hakka".... 客家.... So why would the chinese character "客" (guest) be used here ? If the individual is a foreigner to that specific areas? If you watch the old actual movies about imperial times, then you would know that, some cities were gated, and they were closed off, to outsiders. That is appropiate, and it tries to follow Imperial Laws. All laws are applied to the people living inside the city itself. And anybody else is a foreigner. A migrant to the area, and the region. It had always been this way.... So why are people acting like, "because you have the internet, everything can be yours, even if it is owned by somebody else" ??? Why are people fighting to this extreme ???
The words "Punti" and "Hakka"... were the Westerners trying to put some kind of orders, and understanding, in order to do trades. This is why, you would find old documents, with such words in them... Cos to try to "smooth" the feelings after the second world war, this is what took place.
Well.. cos you invaded those people, and those people ran off... Well.. this is possibly, why now.. the "national security laws" were enacted in HK as well.... Cos surely, some people are allowed to live on their own land, and their own turfs, right ? Even the house that I live in here in the UK.. (and I class myself as a "punti".. is owned by a Lord.).... and in a way, I am only "renting" the space.. as I live.. and I pay my taxes etc. This is why I need to earn money, to keep living. So when does.. the calm.. will happen for China ? When ?
🙏🏻Where I live, happened here too. Thank you for this. But, here as time went on, Hakka and Punti intermarried.
Well, that is true on my mother's side of the family. Her father was a Hakka and her mother was a Punti. If the Hakka-Punti wars continued, it would have been in a marital context 😄
Yes, my aunt is Cantonese who married with Hakka man who is my uncle. At end of day, we are all Han Chinese, a big family.
This channel is a great resource for the history of the ethnic han disapora. I've looked for information on this topic in english and none have been as detailed as this video.
This is probably the only video analyzing the Hakka-Punti conflict.
there is another
Thanks for this video.
as i grew older, started to learn and know more about hakka and am proud of being hakka
Thank you for sharing such informative video. I am Hakka from overseas and I still speak the language. To me, any piece of history feels like drinking morning dew in an arid land.
@Asianometry I am a descendant of a Punti.
My ancestors lived in Taishan county for 30 over generations, which is the most ravaged county in the
Hakka-punti animosity
regions. During the Taiping Rebellion the occupying soldiers
and officers were mostly Hakkas. Like you said most local Hakkas were farming workers for the Punti
landowners. When Taiping soldiers came,
these local Hakkas and Hakkas from surrounding counties
ganged up with Taiping
soldiers and seized lands from the Punti
owners. With the collapsed of Taiping
Rebellion the Punti owners gathered a
mighty force to drive
out the Hakkas Many
died from fights. The Qing government settled the Hakkas of
the Taisan County
to a southern most
township of Chixi赤溪鎮 bordering the sea.
Many Hakkas from the 4 Siyi 四邑counties of Taishan, Kaiping, xinhui, Enping were
settled to Hainan(before the feuds has very few Hakkas), Guangxi,
Southern Hunan etc
to avoid further bkoodsheds. There
is a Cantonese proverb: 客家霸地主
Hakka seizing land
from Punti, often heard
in Hongkong movies and dramas. Cantonese Old timers
discouraged children
from marrying Hakkas.
.
客家佔地主!
That's history, there's no animosity now.
My grandma is a Hakka from Meixian County in Guangdong migrates to Indonesia, surprisingly she made friends with Cantonese, but not really with the Hokkian, some Cantonese shop owners want to marry their daughter with my dad. Lol 😂 but my dad chose her own girlfriend my mom who is Hokkian peranakan
Did Punti and Hakka mix before these animosities?
@@gene.dig17: No.. because they represent from different imperial dynasties of people. Aka... from different royal family trees.... and they aren't cousins cos it's from different race I think too. Check out their surnames and DNA etc. Fyi... Japan has a sophisticated system that actually keep things separate and legitimate as well. If you understand something then you understand something.
Day chu = Landlord.... lol... I used to think, why do I need to pray in front of an actual alter with the day chu. I realised that is because that location is where my ancestors put down roots. Western philosophy calls it a religion or calls it a philosophy. How about seeing it as an actual method for documentation and to keep unity of the family clan ? Then the top tier actually has the real ancestors etc.
Deprivation leads to tribalism which leads to exploitation and violence. It is so tragic that there is so much needless violence in the world.
I'm Puntei, or Cantonese, myself. Giving the world great people like Sun Yat-Sen and Lee Kuan-Yew redeems the Hakka in my eyes, and I am a strong believer in the familial bonds between all Chinese.
Reedem lol let us stay un redeemed please :p we rather not deal with snobs
Dr Sun isn't a Hakka!!!
@@ChungshanStoryHakka people don't feel they are Chinese, see their Building in the Taman Mini Indonesia in Jakarta, it is called the Hakka Museum and not the Chinese Museum ! They feel they are Hakka more than they feel they are Chinese ! It is different with the Hokkian people which call themselves as Tanglang (Chinese people from Tang country), seldom mentions the word Hokkian . There would never be a "Hokkian" museum , instead the Hokkians will call the building the Chinese Museum instead (not the Hokkian museum), different than the Hakkas with their non Han thinking
Jika kamu bukan orang Hakka jangan memberi penilaian kepada kami orang hakka, anda mengatakan kami lebih merasa Hakka dari pada orang china hanya karna museum hakka di taman mini, anda tau anda telah menghina kami orang hakka. Anda terdengar bodoh dengan mengatakan orang hokkien memanggil diri mereka sebagai Tang Lang atau orang tiochew memanggil diri mereka sebagai Teng Nang tapi anda tidak tau bahwa kami orang hakka memanggil kami sendiri sebagai Thong Nyin.
Pesan saya kalau anda tidak tau atau hanya tau sedikit lebih baik diam.
Kami putra putri keturunan hakka kami bangga dengan luluhur kami, kami bangga dengan sebagai orang china indonesia dan kami lebih bangga lagi sebagai warga negara indonesia tempat kami hidup dan berbakti.
@@santiom5631 Don't get me wrong, in China Mainland there is also only Hakka museum , no Hokkien museum or canton museum. Hakka have facinating story, hardship, preservation of ancient tradition, and the political influence from the time of the Chinese revolution to the China you see today. we also call ourselves Tong Nyin 唐人 (Tang people). I'm sorry, Your ignorance makes you look stupid, lack knowledge and insight
Very interesting, it's a story I never heard before and is totally ignored in the current history.
A lot of people of course, dare not say such details and such things, cos there had been a crime. This "story" is about an old crime... !!!!
My great grandma is Punti from Hong Kong. Her family were from Guangdong. After she was born in Hong Kong they immigrated to Hawai'i.
Who TF cares and why did the channel host like this comment?
@@Zero_Contradictions Well, maybe I shouldn't have, but some people have just a less cuddly tone and UA-cam isn't the dinner of the Queen of England, I am sure Hawai Fighting Alliance didn't cry over my comment, relax.
In East Kalimantan (Borneo) island in Indonesia during the 1800-'s the Hakka traders formed an army to relinquish the TeoChiu organized traders, they won with many dead among the TeoChiu's, then built a "(Hakka) Republic" in East Kalimantan.
But today the TeoChius descendants there has forgotten what happened to their ancestors two hundred years ago
But Hakka and Teo Chiu people are the same though, aren't they ??? You need to check out which hakka people, this is. Or is it a case of two lots of hakka people fighting for land and resources?? It's good to also check out why people are killed as well... If indeed some people were part of the Imperial elites, then defying their orders, often get your entire family killed off. It doesn't make sense if they were both hakka people... Those were the days and the laws back in those days.
@@MeiinUK Nope, its like French and Brits. The language, cuisine, traditional rituals for example funerals and weddings are entirely different.
If teochew and hakka can be lump up as the same, then so as Koreans and Japanese as we do share many words in teochew, hakka and fujianese. though we might seem the same, we are NOT at all.
observe the similarity yet differences for the word local ie benti in Official China language , here is a few example.
Poon thi = hakka, poon tay = teochew, poon nie = foochow. poontei = cantonese, benti = putonghwa
@@MrNajibrazak: I wrote the "chiu chow"... and hakka. Cos some of the Chiu Chow people in HK or in SG... are actually Hakka people. From Chiu Chow. Punti in this context and in this scenario are the Cantonese... and most likely not Northern tribes.. but the Bai Yue people more like.
@@MrNajibrazakThe French and the British are a BAD example because they historically, culturally and in the language they SHARE a lot. The current english language is even partially derived from French(and German).
@@MeiinUK teochiu and hakka are 2 different etnic.
Thanks for sharing!! Too proud to be a Hakka from Malaysia.
Good luck fighting the punti!
@@ClaimClamfighting for what lol 😹
Thank you, this helps understand the reason why so many people emigrated.
well done, information
Punti is not a clan. Pen Di Ren (本地人) literally means a native or locally born person. The whole conflict was between nativists vs immigrants. Even today, that term is still used in many areas with native Chinese populations to refer to themselves in contradistinction to recent immigrants. For example, the descendants of the Hakkas who migrated to Singapore would refer to themselves as pen di ren to distinguish themselves from newcomers from China.
Phun thi
Good history n research
Will you do a video on every Han Chinese subgroups? That would be really cool
I'm a 4th generation Chinese born in the diaspora. N yes we still identify according to our subgroups. A magical bond is formed the moment you met a total stranger from your subgroup
Punti = local (people) = 本地 ( in this video war, punti is mostly refer Cantonese (廣府人）
Vs
Hakka = guest stay (people) = 客家
FYI: in Guangdong provincal (廣東) area, there are 3 major branches of Chinese
1. Cantonese （廣府人), who nowadays living in Guangzhou (廣州 - the capital of Guangdong) and HongKong, they are major branch who speak Yue (粵) language.
2. Teochew （潮州人) living in Chaozhou and Shantou (Teo-swa), east coastal area of Guangdong near Fujian province (福建), they speak Teochew, a part of MinNan （閩南）language.
3. Hakka (客家人), living mostly in area of Northeast Guangdong (Meixian [梅縣] of Meizhou [梅州] of Guangdong). They speak Hakka language. All are Sintic language.
The Hakka is not called by their local living area, Hakka also found in Fujian, Guangxi, Taiwan and Vietnam
At 8:04 it's uncanny how much it looks like my family's ancestral home. Our pond had leeches.
Respect Both
Greetings to Hakka and Punti
shit pau mang?
Love both
Can you explain the situation punti Hakka wars in Ipoh Malaysia too?
punti actually means local people or "originnal sons of the soil" who have already settled the area for many generations. Is like when irish immigrants escaping potato famine fled to america there was already irish and english people living in america for many many generations so though all are irish but the new comers are seen as guest or sometimes as invaders, so it is also with the hakka in china, even though all are chinese the word hakka means guest was a derogatory word given by the locals to these new comers.
In Hawaii, around this time, Chinese were recruited to come to Hawaii to work on the sugar plantations. In "Chinese in Hawaii: A Historical and Demographic Perspective" by Nordyke and Lee, once their labor contracts were over, most Chinese stayed and built their communities. "The majority were Cantonese, or Punti, from the Chungshan district in the lower part of the Pearl River Delta. A significant group, speaking variants of Southern Min dialect, also originated from areas in Chungshan. About one fourth were Hakkas..... there were also small numbers from Sze Yap and other districts." There were some problems between the groups but after several generations, intermarrying with the local population, these conflicts are non existent, and they've become part of Hawaii's multi ethnic culture.
My Chinese side of the family in Hawaii was Punti.
@@Keleneki i may be both.
To say that the Punti or the Cantonese migrated out of China is not accurate! Most of them were sold as slaves or labourers and to be exploited in overseas. The Qing government is one of the major factor of these wars as the Qing(Manchurians) were more than happy to see the Han Chinese(both Hakka & Cantonese were Han Chinese) killing each and other as the Manchus were the minority. The Qing dynasty turned a blind eye to the conflicts and even encourage these wars initially until it was out of control.
This is the same as the British's divide and rule strategy. The Manchus were a minority and they always had this feared of a united Han Chinese overturning their government.
Many older generation Cantonese and Hakka still hated each other because of these wars where the horror stories were pasted down generations after generations for the overseas Chinese.
Even though you say that, some of the "Cantonese were sold".. if it is to the case of the British... well.. my grandfather got a wage, and we got housing. So.. and then in return those money came back into HK as well.. otherwise, the elites would not be kowtowing so politely ..... (and they came back with the British Army to boot too.. since they drove those ships which they worked on).....
ua-cam.com/video/Kk6gfAtwZ7Q/v-deo.html
Good to know
I use to live in Long Island NY. We had a Chinese neighbor who spoke Mandarin. We spoke Hoisan. Mom didn't get along with her because she would call her Hakka and mom would call her Bak fong ngin (northern). Now I know why the insults. Greetings from sunny northwestern Minnesota 🌞
Twinkie.
thats fascinating since as taishanes we would be more punti and not hakka but it's interesting somewhat how close hakka sounds to some regional taishanese
That’s so weird, cos Hakka in China is not considered an insult and neither is Beifangren which literally means northerner.
@Skypad00 I had no idea because my siblings and I were raised in northern Minnesota and had moved to NY. Didn't know anything about China or Chinese language. I was
@@Skypad00 Never been to China.
Thanks for sharing this. Punti should be translated to "Local" - Cantonese 本地人（local people) , as opposed to people of the earth (土人-people of the land)
PUNTI means local (native). HAKKA is one of several Han Chinese ethnic group which originated from Northern China. The HAKKA were nomads (became nomadic 1,700 years ago).
I never knew hakkas were nomadic that explains a lot
@@jasper5902the Han is literslly made up of 3 ethnic groups. But idk why they just combine these groups into 1.
@@yoloi2470 maybe to have a more inclusive identity i guess
Ooof. This reminds me of the Disorder of the Eight Princes.
Interesting! Even as a Chinese person I've never heard of this.
You mean evacuating entire population 30 miles from coastline along entire east coast just to conquer Taiwan? The things China will do... and US thinks it can deter
Luckily we live in the 21st century and don't have to deal with poverty like our ancestors.
Lots of Hakka went to Sth Vietnam in the Mekong delta area
I came around this area
Ming: Get thrown out of power and retreat to Taiwan in hopes of eventually retaking the mainland.
KMT: Let's do that again!
And both times the failed miserably
Dirty KMT collaborated with Japan and are disgrace to all Chinese, they are the lowest of the low, they are a disgrace to the memory of Sun Yat Sen.
@@genghissu1185 Fact check: Screw you bot.
They fail because they fell short of what Song and Jin (Post 3k Sima clan rule) did better: plan ahead and comprehensively to secure well the Southern half. The Qing or CP in the north would have stood on their two feet better too compared to the real timeline.
Do we know exactly which clans were involved in these wars?
Watch this... ua-cam.com/video/XyibyJXdAg4/v-deo.html
This is about the Song dynasties in HK... as well... Cos.. they took the Emperor... and legally turned him into a erving Emperor... but in the end, his civil servants... all killed themselves in the sea.. to stop the legacy or the idea to be taken by their enemies. The child was a legitimate heir. And they gave him the title. Cos they know that, once they lose the war... the Imperial Seal would be taken over.. and the other party would rule the land. To stop them from doing this... They rather killed themselves off instead. They became citizens. (There are actual.. very low key heirs.. elsewhere... but they just don't have the ruling powers. Or the seal. Maybe they don't have a high number of themselves... but that is why, so many things happen the way it does.) The Mongols (Of Yuan Dynasty was not Hans chinese). Nor were the Jin dynasty (Korean) .... This is why today, the Souther is a big big big mess.
Oh.... why is the South China sea so important? I don't think that it is about the actual... petrol and oil. Cos the Emperor killed themselves down there as well... along with the imperial seal. (Some feng shui people say... find the Imperial Seal... and you would re-establish back the Hans dynasty...)
My younger brother a hakka married a Punti girl. A happy reunion!
growing up in the 80s (the 1980s not the 1880s) my punti parents warned me not to have any Hakka friends and be wary of Hakka acquantances.
Vice versa..
Weird, my Cantonese aunt married my Hakka uncle.
Do you know most leaders are Hakkas in recent history of China ? Do you know the three famous sisters from the Song family were Hakkas from the island of Hainan ? The three sisters are Song Ai ling, married With the richest man in China. The secong sister Song Qing ling, married with Sun Yet Seng and the third one married with Chiang Kai Shak.
Really ??? And where are you from ? If you don't mind my asking...
@@azulahuang3154 : You need to double check that as well... cos the "punti" surnames are quite specific.... if my understanding is correct. And some people assume that, certain individuals are "hakka", but they are not ? Actually. Why so many people assume others were "hakka" could have been because ROC.. were actually running the UN then. At that time. So....
It's why some taiwanese restaurant oversea serves beef intestine because prob it's hakka crusine which is still delicious but strange from my Han crussine.
Yeah man punti means "local". It's literally a war between the outside visitors (hakka) vs punti (local)
Meanwhile, the Hakka wars continue here in the comments…
Proud Hakka from Brunei
😂 in China now. Only ☝️ 1 chinese. 👍
There are no more discord between the cantonese and Hakka clans worldwide today.
This video has so many inaccuracies.
The Haka came to Siam in large numbers as well
In Malaysia, there were Hakka secret society such as hai san海山literally translated to sea mountain...nowadays we go for hakka noodle ..a nice filling simple and affordable dish
In Kuching Sarawak, our natives and the Malays just simply love the authentic Hepoh Lei Cha（河婆擂茶） and the Hakka motherwort Chicken( 益母草鸡). Our Hakkas never had conflict with the locals here but did fight with the British King of Sarawak, Raja James Brooke. Over 2000 Hakka gold miners, mostly women and their children, were smoked to death in a cave in the gold mining town of Bau. Today special permit must be applied to visit the cave.
@@azulahuang3154 in Kuching it is pronounced as Hopoh Lui Cha or just simply Lui Cha, not my favourite dish as i always get indigestions after that. To many, it is an acquired taste but it is gradually disappearing. Fast.
This is interesting, thank you for making this video. But one thing that is not quite accurate is it says that the red turban rebellion was in the Ming Dynasty yet it started in the Yuan Dynasty (the one before the Ming) when Mongolians ruled China through Genghis Khan's grandson. The Punti (pronounced more like "bundi" which means "natives of the soil") in the red turban rebellion were resisting the Hun who had invaded the territories.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Turban_Rebellions#:~:text=The%20Red%20Turban%20Rebellions%20(Chinese,of%20Mongol%20rule%20in%20China.
The particular rebellion I was speaking to refers to the second: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Turban_Rebellion_(1854%E2%80%931856)?wprov=sfti1
Many of my relatives back in China really hated the Hakka people for the trouble they caused. My grandfather said that practically all the rebellions in ancient China were started by the Hakka. They were the ones that would stereotypically cause problems for the local Han population and escalate tensions to new levels. In fact, many of the leaders in the revolution that toppled the Qing Dynasty, like Sun Yat-Sen, were Hakka.
Because many Han supported the foreign decadent Qing dynasty unlike the hakka !
@Kazuha Itō 伊藤 かずは Well said. There is a Sun Yatsen memorial
museum in downtown Shiqi 石歧 the provincial capital of Zhongshan county where Sun was born and bred. They have
ancestral records 族譜
that can prove Sun is not Hakka.
Sun Yat Sen, the father of modern China, is a Hakka. Historical records testitfy to this. His wife, Sung Qinling is also Hakka.
@Kazuha Itō 伊藤 かずは As such he is hakka too!
@@singalong9177 more correctly Hainanese Hakka from Wen Chang, Hainan.
Im hakka and proud
The conflict between Hakka and Putei extended to Madagascar, Maldives and Carribbeans😮
Wow
Interested to know if their are any lingering ethnic animosity between these two groups over this conflict in china or in the community abroad???
Why ? So the USA can exploit it ? Well as a Hakka descendent and knowing a lot of Punti descendents we both hate white people more and are united in resistance to American influence.
Yes. Mainstream Han Chinese parents that hold on to traditional prejudices will be pissed if their kids marry a Hakka. Kind of like KKK Whites in the Southern States Of America would react if their kids marry you-know-who.
@@georgeso4364 Especially Cantonese in the Siyi/Seiyap counties where Punti-
Hakka fights killed thousands of people after the collapse of
the Taiping Rebellion.
Laurence Chan Yeah, my aunt went hysterical when her eldest son married a Hakka and even refused to come to the wedding. It’s sad how these ancient prejudices cling on. Luckily, my cousin is in a happy marriage and they are wise enough to let go of age-old hatreds.
@@georgeso4364 Every dialect group has good and bad people. We must not be prejudice against a certain group. Your cousin is a wise man. Happiness to his and your families.
I am Hakka Han Chinese now living in Australia...
Same
Can u all speak hakka in australia?
What he didn't mention is Europeans, UK/French, also aided the the Taiping leader on the side.
Yeh. I know... I am reading this very very local data now.... and this is why the push back from HK now.... what it has not done is audit who is who etc.
Not true, while the Taiping thought of themselves as Christian, they were not accepted by the West as they were anti-west too. They believed that God does not resides and dictate by the West and as such, they were not supported by them although they were free to preach. The leader considered himself a brother of Jesus and had visions of God himself and does not bow down to the Western missionaries. The Taiping leaders were Hakka and also with a lot of the minorities support and they control the South for more than 50 years. They started the first communes in China based on the earlier chapters of the Bible.
@@jasonyap7634 - That is how missionary did to Native Indians in America. 1st, came in as peaceful religious mission. 2nd, established there with Native people. 3rd, divided within their own people. 4th, supported to kill each other. 5th, after all the killings, the west came in and colonized the place. Think again, Jesus didn't come from China. The bibles they read were from missionary. The weapons they got for Taiping war were from the west. Go to Middle East and see the geopolitical conflicts.
Hakka ngin hao ta tet. Moi gao shiau
Guangdong Hakka represent!
Amongst all the shouty, uninformed dross this stands out as helping a lot if people to understand who they are. This is nothing at all to do with me incidentally, just a curious bystander
Hakka and Manchu influence on the Chinese communities in Cuba. But they won big !!!
I thought punti meant 本地 which translates to of the region and 本地人 means native folk.
I think you might need other languages not just English to grasp what is meant. The land in English can mean lots of things - not just a patch of earth but 'the land of my fathers' and so on.
@@dewittbourchier7169 I speak the native tongue. I don’t think you need to tell me what it means.
@@dewittbourchier7169 my comment was to aim at the video translation which is incorrect in its context. Punti = 本地 and it is used by Cantonese speakers to refer to themselves relative to somebody who is a migrant (外省人), which in this case is the Hakkas (客家). Hakka is a Cantonese term that is phonetically translated into English and it roughly means guests. Why do many foreigners like you feel compelled to tell a Chinese person what his native tongue means?
@@361983200 How one might translate it. And because I have dealt with this same problem with speakers of other Indo-European languages where they will translate a word closely but not quite accurately like the French word 'patrie' is not just 'fatherland'
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There is a mix up on your imaginative stretch of time . First you said people on long stretch coastal land were forced to move inland for over 50 years, then conveniently you said the the hakka came and or were invited to come over, Over Centuries. NOW a time of 50 years and a time of over centuries just do not jive. Are you doing a magic on historical facts? Or you should correct yourself and just say the 50 years episode was but just a small factor in whatever is your explanation of reason and effect.
Monotone narration but great content.
Hakka, the jешs of asia
Punti is an exonym, that's what the Hakka call the Cantonese back then.
the Cantonese also call themselves by that term.
Your map of Punti controlled province uprising incorrectly showed Manchu Conquered China ( Manchu Qing dynasty) to include the nation of Tibet which factually was never a part of the Manchu empire as China , East Turkestan, and Taiwan were.
Guan clan participated
''War is the most stupid things that people do' ....
Learn from past mistakes, so as not to repeat stupidities in the future.
I hope all Chinese will grow strong together. Forget the old Hatred. Don't encourage our offspring with hate. Wether you're descendants of Manchu, Mongol, Uyghur, Han .. we're now New China ❤ 新中国 💪 Let's build our future together.
You pronounce punti wrongly
It's the correct pronunciation in Hakka, not Cantonese.
@@patrickleong8374 yes
本 is an aspirated P in Hakka different from Cantonese B( unspirated p in han yu pingyin). 地 is ti in Hakka different from Cantonese tei. Well, Hakka slso settled in Teochew and Hokien areas and they were called Khek Nang 客人. Teochew and Hokien also call themselves
Bunti
@@laurencechan470 in teochew and hokkien its pronounced as poontay /puntey whilst hakka is punti. i speak teochew and hakka at home following my mother's side as she is a mix of both.
khek nang is hakka people in Hokkien for those which are confused.
there are easily 7 dialects from South China and all sounds almost similar but also entirely different at times while PutongHwa feels absolutely foreign like Korean & Japanese.
Given a different twist in history, all these dialects should be seen as languages of their own, like Korean & Japanese language which also shares similar words with Hokkien, teochew & hakka.
personally i found foochow the hardest to get right.
anyway, siak pa mui. xD
@@MrNajibrazakwe are all ethnically Han, so topolect rather than dialect is more appropriate.
More like apache fought Camocho
My ancestors are Hakka now we are prospering in Thailand. Indebted to the generosity of local Thai.
why are you calling it a Hakka dialect? When you speak e.g. Mandarin you clearly don't understand a word of Hakka. So shouldn't it be called the Hakka language?
Because we are all ethnically Han, so topolect rather than dialect is more appropriate
@@MrSpiritmonger Who is "we"?
@@inotaishu1 Hakka and Cantonese
@@MrSpiritmonger And why are these two groups classified as Han?
@@inotaishu1 Hakka and Cantonese peoples are subgroups of the Han ethnicity. These two groups self-identify as ethnic Han Chinese.
Hakka is 客家. But Punti is what?
本地人 or Bendi in Mando or Puntei in Cantonese. 本地人basically means Cantonese
TQ 👍
@@Jack-mm3bl : "Punti" is not a race as such, but this is based on writing or diaries or observation from somebody who wrote about this. And this is why it is now translated as directly because... "punti" means that there were people already there. As opposed to.. which the British did in terms of their writing to say that nobody was in HK at that time ? So this article dispel that myths. And in fact, there might have been people, even if the figures were not beyond 100k people. But there were people there. Just not in the millions. So when people were "dictated to move to the coasts"... by the so called Qing dynasities... this is whereby a war broke out.. the assumption that nobody was there.. and then the people came back to defend their homes and everything.... maybe somebody sent the signal.. but in the end, this is why they broke out in war. Around 1 million people died. So who were these people that died ? Why did they come back then ??? Or did those families or established registered residents, called "their relatives" from nearby to fight back this invasion ??? What do you think really happened ???? Did they went to their local provincial governor and called for back up ? What do you think happened and why the 1 million in deaths ????
When you see a sitation, and "facts", and the timelines and everything, isn't it weird that... sometimes, certain information is missing from the written work ?????
They could possibly be "Bai yue" people.. in case you're wondering.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baiyue
@@MeiinUK no, Punti is Cantonese. The Baiyue were sinicized over 1000 years ago. Only living Baiyue are the Yue (Vietnamese)
Do Haka dance not Hakka war. Peace.
A lesson for chinese not to fight among themselves. This lesson must be learn especially Taiwan people to accept and negotiate peace reunification with china and jointly control their south china sea now threatened by usa and Philippines.
Stupid talk !!!
the history of China never fail to repeat itself. it is akin that the entire race is under a curse. China better look inwards first and fix itself instead of pointing at ppl all the time.
and Taiwan is a country.
bullshit 😂
China is threatening everyone in SEA not the other way around! China claiming sea as far as the Borneo sea wtf they are thousand miles away from China. SEA nations must unite to fight back againts China thievery.
Your claims on SCS is rubbish. South East Asia depends on it for supplies as well and trade lanes. The hilarity of drawing lines and claiming as your own when so many countries depend on it.
Di China justru orang Hakka pada merantau ke seluruh dunia ,sedangkan di China hanya suku Hui dan wihur yg agama Islam tidak mencintainya budaya China ,mencintainya budaya Arab ,sedangkan orang Hakka mencintain budaya Tiongkok dan promosi jadi wisata
5:37 what do you mean "cant control the army"? War is is about looting and raping. its the right of the soldier in waging war. It's been always like that for thousand of years. Don't put modern standard on it.