As much as I liked part I, Parts II and III were especially enjoyable because of the really clear explanations and reasons at the beginning, which were accompanied by excellent visuals and drawn flight paths. You know education is great when it's not only clear, but is also interesting and engaging! 👍👍👍
Please make more videos like this. I love the pre flight plans you show, the detailed VRP, approach and procedure commentary. Just perfect to go and try in pd3 (I’m a ppl student). By far the best on UA-cam! Thanks
GVad I have about 12 hours in on my private lessons, and am reviewing my sailing trip to St. Barth's last May and watching the planes land from the bay. At that time, I would have thought the landing from the hill would have been the most difficult. But your clear description of the 3 separate landings make it clear that #1 is for show, #2 and #3 are the comparative challenges. Nice video and description.
Dang.....I r.e.a.l.l.y want to do that!!! I learned in a 172 on a 3.1K foot strip with a 60 foot obstacle at one end, so this is the next step up...right?? ;)
Too dangerous to attempt. That hill at the end is around 200 feet high. As the checkout instructor said, better off to brake the wheels getting it on the ground then crashing in to the hill
Why no balked landing on 28? If you do it early enough and your aircraft has performance you can climb straight out without hitting that small hill. I never landed there but just looking at it and doesn't seem like an impossible task to do a straight go around or balked Landing on 28.
That hill is 150 feet high, a lot higher than it looks. Think distance that it takes the plane to takeoff and clear a 50 foot obsticle. Now think 150 feet. There is no go around for most planes.
@@FSX404 I totally agree talking off or a low go around over Rwy 28 would be bad, especially for a fully loaded C172 with light winds. Unless your plane is a Super STOL aircraft with headwinds from West galore you might be screwed. However making Eden Rock the absolute abort point takes PIC decision making away. Why would you abort? Too high too fast. YEP go around if not dialed in by Eden Rock or even before. If you are over the end of the runway 28 floating, get it on ground. Going around, down low and slow over Rwy 28 is bad. So yes ABORT early and often if it is not right, speed and glide path. If you fly past Eden Rock you have some room to turn North and climb over water (depending on plane and approach speed). However WHY A LATE go around? Someone landing opposite direction not listening or looking or plane or vehicle on runway? However if aligned with 28 with Eden Rock Abeam you should be about 1200 ft from threshold and 200 ft MSL Can you abort landing at 600's feet from threshold and 100' MSL, climb continue straight, start climb and clear 150' MSL ridge? I don't know but you should know before trying it. 600' from threshold, 100' MSL, can you make a right 45 degree bank turn to North late, while still staying over over water or shore line and lower terrain. IT DFPENDS if you are skilled to do a low speed low altitude maneuver like this safely and if you are a Carbon Cub or a Citation Bizjet. Well no Bizjet should go in there, but the C-208 and DHC-6 are well suited. I am surprised to cee the PC-12 in there. Again it DEPENDS. Winds? Ambient temps (DA)? Winds are mostly from East (often strong) which is why runway 10 landings are common, even with down Rwy slope, over ridge/obstacle (at Rwy 10 threshold). None of these are desirable. The approach to 28 is better but Rwy 10 has the better go around/balked landing path. My comment is if you can not reliably and confidently land your plane on a 2000 ft runway (using less than 2/3 consistently giving you margin), you don't have any business landing on TFFJ's 2000 ft of runway. In no wind I would land 28 and takeoff 10, despite 28 having terrain on departure end, it is a no obstacle approach, landing up hill and closer to ramp. Regardless of aircraft performance I agree, using the Eden Rock as the NO GO point is good landmark and conservative. If not on speed, on path, lined up (or near lined up) go around early and often. Most GA planes should not have more than 1000' roll out after landing. My RV-7 can T/O and land in 600-700 ft total over 50' obstacle. It also very high climb rate. If solo, half fuel, good headwind, not too hot, Rwy 28 takeoff would be possible. Not that I would do it. I have flown in the Western USA, into mountain grass strips surrounded with 150' tall pine trees, more challenging than St. Barts. With that said St. Barts is to be respected. The cars, tourist on the ridge bothers me the most. It's a variable you can't control or predict. There have been plane to object/people contact there before. So there are risks. However flying out there from the USA means flying several 100's of miles from land over open water. That is a risk as well.
@@FSX404 So true. A slow speed controlled crash you can walk away from is better than a crash with loss of control at 3.5 times the speed (over 12 times the force of impact) they cut you out of.
What was that knob you were adjusting on the right hand side just before you reached the cove? And also I love your videos some of the best I have seen on youtube.
+darkferiousity I believe you're talking about the flaps. A classic old-school Beechcraft where you don't have settings, just extend them to a point you like.
Why cant you do a go around straight over the runway and over the hill, why only by that right hand turn at the hotel? Is it considered unsafe to go around straight? It seems such a long distance, plenty of time to climb.
That hill on the other side is 180 ft almost, means you need 230 ft alt for a safe climb at the end of a 1800 ft runway, a lot higher than it looks. Most planes need over 1500+ ft to clear a 50ft obstacle, imagine 200 ft obstacle. So, not advised. Yes a powerful plane could probably make it over, there was a plane that did a 180 turn at Lukla, but bad landing vs a likely splat on the side of the hill, play the odds 🤷♂️
+Jean-Pascal Carrier many planes would not make it over that hill past the decision point, that hill is way higher than it looks. Its at 200 feet MSL right at the end of the runway.
+GVad The Pilot (FSX404) ok, i see thanks. You're right it doesn't seems that high from here :P you're really lucky to fly in those palces =) ! i hope you enjoy it as max as possible! =D keep uploading, i'm french and i found your videos really good and well explained! like the crosswind one, you taught me something interesting !
+calinutza33 Southern California is probably one of the best places to learn to fly. You have city and airspace congested areas, mountains, deserts, hills, water/sea, usually good weather, 80+ airports. You're exposed to a lot different environments. San Diego also has a lot of clouds at certain times where you can practice IFR. There are a lot of flying schools, a lot of different types. Standard pay-as-you fly flight schools (Part 61), standard flight schools with PPL (one time fee) programs, international flight schools (Part 141) that deal with accelerated programs usually one time fee, etc. Depending on what you plan to do, what your plan is, I can recommend a few.
dave Ford You wont be able to clear the hill at the end of the runway. Videos dont show it but tgat hill is 150 feet high, even something like a Cessna 172 needs 1500 feet to clear a 50 foot obstacle, imagine a 150 foot obstacle. You'd need 2200+ feet. You just cant clear the hill here at St Barths
As much as I liked part I, Parts II and III were especially enjoyable because of the really clear explanations and reasons at the beginning, which were accompanied by excellent visuals and drawn flight paths. You know education is great when it's not only clear, but is also interesting and engaging! 👍👍👍
I like it when you make a graphic illustration before the video. Congratulations on your nice landing
Thanks for taking us on another great ride along.You made it look easy...... as usual.
Very informative. I like your style of explaining the maneuver. And I agree with the others about first walking through with diagram.
Scott Harrod Thanks, I can just post a video, much easier for me, but people wouldnt get much out of it...just another St Barts landing
Please make more videos like this. I love the pre flight plans you show, the detailed VRP, approach and procedure commentary. Just perfect to go and try in pd3 (I’m a ppl student). By far the best on UA-cam! Thanks
Nice control and beautiful landing Gvad! Hope you're well brother; I look forward to your next video!!
That was veery nice.
flying looks so much fun
Aloha ! Enjoyed your videos , nice aproaches & smooth landings ! Be well ;-)
GVad I have about 12 hours in on my private lessons, and am reviewing my sailing trip to St. Barth's last May and watching the planes land from the bay. At that time, I would have thought the landing from the hill would have been the most difficult. But your clear description of the 3 separate landings make it clear that #1 is for show, #2 and #3 are the comparative challenges. Nice video and description.
Dang.....I r.e.a.l.l.y want to do that!!! I learned in a 172 on a 3.1K foot strip with a 60 foot obstacle at one end, so this is the next step up...right?? ;)
learned lots, thanks
Outstanding! Great video. Thanks
Great video. But why is a go around not available?
This seems to be the safest approach, since you don't have to fly through the hills of the island.
Loved that graphic illustration in the beginning! But why can’t you do a go around, after you passed to hotel?
Too dangerous to attempt. That hill at the end is around 200 feet high. As the checkout instructor said, better off to brake the wheels getting it on the ground then crashing in to the hill
That was brilliant!
While I don't particularly want to go to St. Barts, I now do want to buy a copy of the new MS Flight Simulator.
Awesome video please do more Gvad the pilot !
Nice.
Why no balked landing on 28? If you do it early enough and your aircraft has performance you can climb straight out without hitting that small hill. I never landed there but just looking at it and doesn't seem like an impossible task to do a straight go around or balked Landing on 28.
That hill is 150 feet high, a lot higher than it looks. Think distance that it takes the plane to takeoff and clear a 50 foot obsticle. Now think 150 feet. There is no go around for most planes.
@@FSX404 I totally agree talking off or a low go around over Rwy 28 would be bad, especially for a fully loaded C172 with light winds. Unless your plane is a Super STOL aircraft with headwinds from West galore you might be screwed. However making Eden Rock the absolute abort point takes PIC decision making away. Why would you abort? Too high too fast. YEP go around if not dialed in by Eden Rock or even before. If you are over the end of the runway 28 floating, get it on ground. Going around, down low and slow over Rwy 28 is bad. So yes ABORT early and often if it is not right, speed and glide path.
If you fly past Eden Rock you have some room to turn North and climb over water (depending on plane and approach speed). However WHY A LATE go around? Someone landing opposite direction not listening or looking or plane or vehicle on runway?
However if aligned with 28 with Eden Rock Abeam you should be about 1200 ft from threshold and 200 ft MSL Can you abort landing at 600's feet from threshold and 100' MSL, climb continue straight, start climb and clear 150' MSL ridge? I don't know but you should know before trying it.
600' from threshold, 100' MSL, can you make a right 45 degree bank turn to North late, while still staying over over water or shore line and lower terrain. IT DFPENDS if you are skilled to do a low speed low altitude maneuver like this safely and if you are a Carbon Cub or a Citation Bizjet.
Well no Bizjet should go in there, but the C-208 and DHC-6 are well suited. I am surprised to cee the PC-12 in there. Again it DEPENDS. Winds? Ambient temps (DA)? Winds are mostly from East (often strong) which is why runway 10 landings are common, even with down Rwy slope, over ridge/obstacle (at Rwy 10 threshold). None of these are desirable. The approach to 28 is better but Rwy 10 has the better go around/balked landing path.
My comment is if you can not reliably and confidently land your plane on a 2000 ft runway (using less than 2/3 consistently giving you margin), you don't have any business landing on TFFJ's 2000 ft of runway.
In no wind I would land 28 and takeoff 10, despite 28 having terrain on departure end, it is a no obstacle approach, landing up hill and closer to ramp.
Regardless of aircraft performance I agree, using the Eden Rock as the NO GO point is good landmark and conservative. If not on speed, on path, lined up (or near lined up) go around early and often. Most GA planes should not have more than 1000' roll out after landing. My RV-7 can T/O and land in 600-700 ft total over 50' obstacle. It also very high climb rate. If solo, half fuel, good headwind, not too hot, Rwy 28 takeoff would be possible. Not that I would do it. I have flown in the Western USA, into mountain grass strips surrounded with 150' tall pine trees, more challenging than St. Barts.
With that said St. Barts is to be respected. The cars, tourist on the ridge bothers me the most. It's a variable you can't control or predict. There have been plane to object/people contact there before. So there are risks. However flying out there from the USA means flying several 100's of miles from land over open water. That is a risk as well.
@@gmcjetpilot as the instructor who checked me out at St Barts said, better to thit the end wall of the runway at 20 kts, then the hill at 70 kts
@@FSX404 So true. A slow speed controlled crash you can walk away from is better than a crash with loss of control at 3.5 times the speed (over 12 times the force of impact) they cut you out of.
hola cap genial por el video.
What was that knob you were adjusting on the right hand side just before you reached the cove? And also I love your videos some of the best I have seen on youtube.
+darkferiousity I believe you're talking about the flaps. A classic old-school Beechcraft where you don't have settings, just extend them to a point you like.
Oh, that landing.
ur an amazing pilot, I'm jealous xD
Great stuff time to dust off St Barts Scnery and FSX
Why cant you do a go around straight over the runway and over the hill, why only by that right hand turn at the hotel? Is it considered unsafe to go around straight? It seems such a long distance, plenty of time to climb.
That hill on the other side is 180 ft almost, means you need 230 ft alt for a safe climb at the end of a 1800 ft runway, a lot higher than it looks. Most planes need over 1500+ ft to clear a 50ft obstacle, imagine 200 ft obstacle. So, not advised. Yes a powerful plane could probably make it over, there was a plane that did a 180 turn at Lukla, but bad landing vs a likely splat on the side of the hill, play the odds 🤷♂️
@@FSX404 I see. Thanks for the insight and great videos.
why cant you after the no go point, just do a low pass a go around when you cross rwy 10? because of the mountain? or it's just the procedure?
+Jean-Pascal Carrier many planes would not make it over that hill past the decision point, that hill is way higher than it looks. Its at 200 feet MSL right at the end of the runway.
+GVad The Pilot (FSX404) ok, i see thanks. You're right it doesn't seems that high from here :P you're really lucky to fly in those palces =) ! i hope you enjoy it as max as possible! =D keep uploading, i'm french and i found your videos really good and well explained! like the crosswind one, you taught me something interesting !
+calinutza33 Southern California is probably one of the best places to learn to fly. You have city and airspace congested areas, mountains, deserts, hills, water/sea, usually good weather, 80+ airports. You're exposed to a lot different environments. San Diego also has a lot of clouds at certain times where you can practice IFR.
There are a lot of flying schools, a lot of different types. Standard pay-as-you fly flight schools (Part 61), standard flight schools with PPL (one time fee) programs, international flight schools (Part 141) that deal with accelerated programs usually one time fee, etc. Depending on what you plan to do, what your plan is, I can recommend a few.
+Jeanpascal Carrier Thank you, I really know how lucky I am to be able to do this. And believe me I thank higher powers everyday for it.
Just watched the Barts 28 video, just wondering why you mentioned you can't go around on a 28 final or botched landing? Are there departures on 28?
dave Ford You wont be able to clear the hill at the end of the runway. Videos dont show it but tgat hill is 150 feet high, even something like a Cessna 172 needs 1500 feet to clear a 50 foot obstacle, imagine a 150 foot obstacle. You'd need 2200+ feet. You just cant clear the hill here at St Barths
GVad The Pilot. Ok I see must be only for higher performance aircraft?
dave Ford Im sure there are planes that can do it, but its prohibited. Too risky
I see, thanks
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nothing hard
почему такой низкий заход? очень пологая глиссада