Why Has it Taken BHVR Nearly a Decade To Change Myers? - Dead By Daylight
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- Опубліковано 15 вер 2024
- Wowie, that's a lot of time
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I’m hoping they don’t change him too drastically like you said. People have complained about him being weak forever but he’s still played a lot and people love going against him. Small buffs would be wonderful though. Imo enjoying playing as and against the killer is far more important than the killer being strong
Them completely changing Myers would be the darkest timeline. And I completely agree! I'll take a fun killer over super hyper S tier killer any day
Weak? Bruh.
@@ItzPubbyhe is sadly on the weaker side especially without tombstone so as long as they buff him he’ll be fine and as a myers main I really hope they don’t change him to much
they play a lot the tombstone myers build, not the normal myers.
@@StalkyBoiIt’s because his kills are still high, And that's the main metic they based killer strength
I saw an idea that instead of individual survivors having separate amounts of stalk, it should be changed to a “stalk pool” that is shared by all the survivors. That way Myers can stalk and kill survivors without having to worry about unused stalk.
That would be a nightmare for solo queue players because all it takes is 1 person that doesn't know how to play against myers to feed him all that stalk and punish other survivors
@@kermittrump Funny thing is, thats pretty much STILL how it works. Myers can stalk someone else to 99% and only need a LICK of stalk on you to proc his Tier III
they probably gave a shit about tunneling into the killers power
until they gave up and pushed it into survivor perks (which is a shit design)
I like that idea
@@kermittrumpSo we are not gonna buff anything cause solo players are dumb?
Well with Freddy, to make him more popular he not only needs a rework but BHVR need to licence his Robert Englund (OG) appearance.
They tried and the license holders told them "No, this is who Freddy is now" and they had to take it or leave it. It was one of the few times Matthew Cote and Dave Richard openly talked about trying to get a license.
@@boogiedaddy3434man F Warner Bros. That PDF is not our Freddy.
@@boogiedaddy3434not necessarily anymore; the rights reverted back to the Craven estate not too long ago and they’re shopping the rights around to a new studio to make a movie; or atleast it’s been rumored.
If this is true; then BHVR has no excuse to not try again with obtaining Robert Englund’s version of Freddy Krueger; ffs the man is not getting any younger and if he passes before BHVR can properly implement him in, it will be their biggest blunder.
@@tokuwriter2872isn't it only american licensing that were reverted?
@@ALEX2014_ possibly, again it was a rumor but that does make sense considering how muddled and fucked up Jason Voorhees’ rights are rn.
I really hope we get a blighted myers skin, not sure if that's possible or not because of licensing agreements, but damn do I want it!
If the rights are still with John Carpenter, then it's possible. He is very open to stuff like this. And by that I mean if a studio wants to make a Halloween sequel, Carpenter opens his hand and a check falls into it.
Blight: I jammed, like, eight syringes in him, and he didn't even flinch.
I'd also like to see a 2018 myers skin and some other custom ones.
That’s in the best timeline
"I cannot stress how important it is that a character should feel like their namesake"
Yep, and I'm happy this is one of the things BHVR has excelled at: designing the killer so you can play like the killer.
I've been impressed by this ever since Pig released. With how they designed Pig's traps, BHVR very intentionally made it so you can focus on a trapped survivor and guarantee that player will die. It prevents them from even crawling out the gate. Rigging the game to make escape impossible for one person is exactly how Pig would behave, and I was surprised they actually captured that in her design.
they flubbed it with nemesis, because while his power is neat and fun to use, it's not very nemesis, and he doesn't feel like an unstoppable juggernaut. at the same time, what COULD they do?
@@terrordarkyit was very limited considering nemesis relies on his brute force most of time, and reflecting that in a game that never tried to make a killer straight up destroy every wall in his sight is nearly impossible.
Too bad they nerfed it. She can't see her boxes so if you wanna force jigsaws game you have to tunnel now😔 so unnecessary
@@xCallxMExJJx I don't like they removed her auras but it doesn't stop you from playing like Amanda. Stick a RBT on someone and follow them to stop them from taking it off. It's a very very rigged game for that guy lol. It really fits her perfectly!
Just remember, they’re a “small Indy company” 😂
do they even have any other game?
@@Redmont_ casting of Frank stone, meet your maker, what the fog, hooked on you etc
@@TheTribalWanker thats very indie company for you
@@Redmont_ ???
Are u that dumb or what 😂😂😂@@Redmont_
Tbh, im more excited that they might change his player model, or maybe give the option to change which mask he wears
It took 8 years because that's how long it took them to finally get out of tier 1 since he got inflicted with corn blindness.
The real buff was curing his blindness
Love the ideas. Regaining stalk for coop actions would be nice. Mori fully stalked survivors on death hook is similar to Pyramid Head which would be a nice change for him in the long run as it makes survivors get punished for either 1. Intentionally feeding him stalk and 2. Just not be aware of your surroundings. I’d like to see them increase his movement speed in Tier 1 and his lunge a tad bit bigger. So Scratch Mirror is more viable. The tombstone add ons are huge problem. And as a fellow P100 Myers main I don’t necessarily like running the tombstone add ons because A. It takes too long to stalk and B. It’s easy to counter once the survivors know you have tombstone. His jewelry add ons need some changes they aren’t used at all and there really is no point in them even seeing play. That’s my thoughts
Making scratch mirror more viable would make a lot of mikey's very happy lol
@@StalkyBoi Yes. I've met quite a bit of Scratched Mirror Mikey's throughout my time playing the game. It'll also help in the early game too because then you're not being punished for staying in Tier 1.
I would like for the Mori on death hook and full stalk thing to happen like similarly to how Tombstone does it currently, meaning that he just grabs you without needing a down. That way he could punish people trying to use Off the record and DS offensively, it would also be neat if in Tier 3 he gained a slight faster pallent and wall breaking speed.
I do like Myers and I hope they don't change him too much, he honestly just needs some tweaks with his mechanics that are very easy to do.
Wtf?! That sounds completely broken!
@@asterix1912 is it any more broken then you full health and no hooks and then suddenly being taken out the game with the click of one button? or having to hide in a locker to avoid that? this change would make tombstone more skillful and more tense
@@justinsider5744 I do agree that Myers' add ons are broken now as they are but the change for his basekit that this guy suggested sounds broken either way. Tombstone should be removed and they need base kit Myers to be stronger but having a slightly weaker version of tombstone in his basekit still sounds unfair.
It would basically be the same as Pyramid Head's mini mori he can do to death hook tormented survivors.
it would be so cool if he could break (breakable) walls just by walking onto them in tier 3
What I would like to see is Vanity Mirror start at Stage-2, without the need to Stalk up. The short range wall-hack is pretty well balanced against speed, and having a Myers starting at 115% without the limitation of having to fight from behind at first, seems about right to me.
A small mirror basekit would be interesting
Two things i thought they could have done to buff him is one, reverse the stalk speed so it's faster farther away and slower up close. The other thing is a little complicated. Easy way i can put it is there would be 300% total stalk available 75% per survivor, but you can still stalk 1 person for 95. So you cant get tier 3 off 1 survivor however if you max out on survivor A you can lower it by stalking b, c, and d. If you are perfectly stalking everyone evenly, everyone would only ever cap out at 75%. If you max out survivor A then kill B without stalking B at all, youll still be punished though as whatever % a survivor has gets locked down at death. Meaning youll have just removed 100% from that 300% pool. In contrast though, if you killed survivor A instead youd have removed nothing from that 300% pool.
Obviously this idea needs work, but the core idea of being able to stalk the some survivors to lower the stalk meter of others while also not being able to infinitely stalk a single survivor is something i feel he could use.
Freddy, my friend actually came up with an idea that I'm a fan of. In the awake world he is invisible and no terror radius but has a lullaby. To sleep survivors he has to wait 1 full minute or m1 them to instantly sleep them. In the dream world he has a terror radius, full visibility, and can only now deal damage. For the awake it it follows nemesis rules. No damage when putting them asleep, but they get the speed boost. He's going to get a lot of free hits, it wouldn't exactly be fair if they did damage.
Changes i would suggest for balance/counterplay: his snares now sleep survivors if they step on one. They dont slow them or make noise, but they also dont dissappear. Youd also get roughly a 2 second window before they detect you a second time and do slow you down and make noise. Also the passive sleep timer is paused if he is within X meters of you while your awake.
The exact distance is tricky and will need testing. Do to little and it wont really matter, do to much and he gets punished for chasing someone else who is looping a little too close to their friends.
Pallets become base kit and share a placement pool with the snares. He can switch between them like clown switches bottles or how knight switches guards. Because they are gettting combined and shared, his overall placement pool is getting increased slightly.
In the movies, Michael only ever stalked one person... Laurie. He didn't stalk anyone else... he just killed them. Just sayin' The ONLY issue with Myers is that he can run out of his power... no matter how you divvy the stalk. He's the only killer that can lose his power before the game ends. Which is why his Tombstone add-ons still exist.
@@daddy-warfunk1956 which is why the core idea is that the more the stalks one person the more charges become available on the others. Also he doesn't have to he exactly like the movies, pyramid head to my knowledge doesn't have any of his dbd powers in the actual games.
Idk if i still agree. Freddy seemed to do extremely well in the right hands even in his original/Post nerf self. Otz and a lot o old Freddy's did show his power was not horrible. It took more of a modern approach in a ood version of the game.
Hit amd run and when you did put people to sleep the gen slow down was massive. If you kept the pressure up (and not have a map with a horrible infinite) you generally did well.
Again was he top tier? Nah but was was better than what we have now arguably. (Minus the teleport that is nice to have)
But the issue with Current Freddy is the fact it takes him so much longer to even get started while old Freddy was all about Set up and using very strong passive slowdown to work for him to compensate the initial timer when you are falling asleep. With add-ons to shorten it or extend your range where you can pull players.
OTZ even showed with undetectable in his original state since you lack a terror Radius you can get free wall hacks regardless of distance (when he gets clode the aura read is disabled but since he is not technically there he can still see you.)
So there was a lot of ways to make him solid to decent. To me he just needed better add-ons and perks to assist him.
The only major and popular thing that came out of new Freddy was the Dream Pallets and the Teleport even with its issues. Those 2 things helped him. Imo the Freddy rework should be a combination of his original with the benefits of his current version.
Yeah it should be a blend of the two, they need to keep the dream pallets though, those are really fun. They could even add dream breakable walls or dream pallets.
OG Freddy was awesome... I absolutely loved playing him. He's getting a rework again in the very near future and I'd like to see a merger of the two Freddy's. Awake survivors are safe... sleeping survivors are in imminent danger and waking up is not easy. Right now, survivors have no real incentive to wake up. But the biggest change needs to be that the dream world and awake world appear the same. Lore wise, most of the time his victims didn't realize they were even asleep until it was too late.
The hardest part of playing Myers now is the balancing act of not running out of stalk, using your power too early... and not having anything left in the tank for late game... which is bonkers and no other killer has to deal with. There's some stuff they could do like slight buffing his numbers behind his abilities... but really the only thing they need to do is make it so survivors regain stalk juice over time when not in chase and outside of his Terror Radius. That's it, no more limit to his power. Must keep Judith's Tombstone/Tuft of Hair add-on combo. That is what makes Myers the most formidable killer in the game and the time trade off is what balances it. If you have a Myers that is only stalking and not trying to actively hook survivors... you know you got problems. Remove Purple Tombstone Chunk, that add-on is really the only busted add-on that needs to go (and I'm somewhat of a Myers main :).It is stupid how fast you can eliminate a survivor with that add-on. However, since Myers is the inspiration behind DbD having an "Obsession", Myers should have something in his base kit to accommodate that. Make it so that Myers can grab Mori his Obsession (healthy or injured) once EVERY survivor is on Death Hook regardless of his Tier level. Keeping the spirit of imminent death of Tombstone Chunk alive on the Obsession... but making Myers earn it.
ps... Buff Scratched Mirror so Myer's moves 4.4, we shouldn't have to burn map offerings because we want to use this add-on. Using Scratched Mirror shouldn't be an automatic loss because they sent me to Mt Ormond or and Auto map. UGH!!!!!!!!
I personally DON'T want Myers to be changed, I have lots of fun playing as / against him and I fear bhvr will ruin the character, he's the most fun killer to play for me
I doubt he’ll be changed that much
playing mikey makes me want to stone sable but that paragraph below was my idea for changes
What I think they should do with Myers is make tier one stronger by that i mean increase his speed to 4.4 instead of 4.2 and lunge set to normal or like reduced slighty, stalking speed faster and the reason I say faster is I want Mikey to be able to switch between tier 1 and 2 tier 1 being his stalking mode and tier 2 more chase related and changes for tier 2 that I would want to see for tier 2 are Mikey while in tier 2 gets blood lust faster by like 30%, chasing/damaging survivor damaging gens or breaks anything will gave Myer's some evil within and Myer has a reduce swing cool down by 15% percent because right now tier 2 Myers is just an average killer with a smaller terror radius and tier 1 is just useless and make evil recharge somehow and for tier 3 changes I want are Myer's breaks stuff 12% percent faster kicking gen takes more progress by like 4% or so. All other buffs he has get an increase so his longer lunge faster vault speed etc second I wish evil within would pause when caring a survivor and this is just wishful thinking but i would want different environmental moris like references to some of his more famous kills and add a unique status effect to him paranoia this effect is niche but i would like it to apply via him stalking and injuring the survivors and cause them to hear fake noise like false skill checks and other noise and make skill check go by faster by like 12 percent but those are just my ideas.
I don’t want them to update him because they’ll try to balance him and remove the most unique and interesting parts.
If anything, lean into it and make tombstone base kit and give him nurse blinks
Lmao, i agree with that though. I am kind of scared theyll make all his add ons boring stat changes like every other killer when Its so fun to have a killer whos playstyle changes so much with add ons. I definitley think tombstone add ons need a hefty nerf but i hope the mirrors are left untouched.
0:20 They said they’re HOPING to see an update on him in the “not so distant future”. I wouldn’t be holding my breath in the meantime. That could be months from now, or it could get lost in the ether and we may not hear about this for who knows when. As for speculation on changes, I hope that they do him justice. Myers could definitely use an updated character model, and I would love if Behavior renewed the license to get some new outfits for our boy. Imagine a Twisted Masquerade or Blighted Myers. That’d be amazing. I agree on character identity. Especially with Freddy. Freddy NEEDS to talk just as much as he needs to not suck. Lastly, one thing about Tombstone that I think deserves a mention is that also serves as a form of character identity. It really is a Myers kinda thing for him to circumvent the Entity and just straight up waste a survivor. It’s also the one major thing that prevents him from just being an M1 killer.
Oh god how did I not see hoping. My day is ruined
@@StalkyBoi Lol, it wasn’t an attack man
As a Michael main im terrified for what might be coming i just hope they do good with it.
When I first started playing dbd (although a survivor main) I mained myers. After many games both playing against and using him I realized it doesn’t take much skill to use myers. The stalk mechanic makes him super deadly in tier 3, which led me to dominating most teams I went against. When ghostface came out I thought his character was way more skill tuned because it required you to actually put in work on individuals and you’re rewarded for those smart plays instead of abusing one or two people and catching everyone else slipping. Till this day I main ghostface because I always appreciate the theme of using actual skill to win rather than abusing something that is op. In my eyes myers doesn’t need any buffs, if as killer you can’t consistently do good with myers the problem isn’t the killer you just need to get good. Simple, the fear myers instills in the whole lobby once in tier 3 is grand. Most people tend to hide and stop doing gens, I’ve realized this playing him and as survivor where I’m the only one attempting to push through (and of course inevitably get killed). It’s always frustrating have a lobby of people hiding uselessly when someone is clearly being chased because they’re scared to get one shot. Long story short this guy needs no buffs
I'm really confused by the stalk mechanic from Myers. A friend and me were trying to get the Evil Incarnate achievement earlier this year and we were both wondering why sometimes a survivor didn't give any stalk. I had to look up that there is a limited amount of stalk from each survivor. Yes, we are still noobs after 8 years of playing. With Ghostface you can stalk unlimited and multiple survivors at the same time. For me that is much easier and takes less skill.
Tombstone and infinite tier 3 are the reason people play him a lot tbh. I wonder how it would be if they make it if you get fully stalked you can get morried.
That would be cool. Would make it much better. No one could complain anymore about unfairly getting killed and we could still get Evil Incarnate as a trophy.
But they should make it so that he can also kill survivors lying on the geound like it is with Pyramid head and Sadako, since nowadays he can be countered by any progressive action (doing gens, cleansing or blessing totems, healing teammates) and jumping into lockers.
If he could kill fully stalked survivors, no matter what tier he's in, then it would be the survivors fault and they couldn't be salty about being stupid, just like you can't complain if you get moried by Sadako or Pyramid Head for getting condemned or tormented.
Not of mathematical insight that should be obvious to anyone but Freddy has a high kill percentage specifically because he has a low pick rate, people that know how to use him almost never lose kills on him and those that try him out don't play him long enough to have an effect of the numbers. Skilled players who main Freddy have high kill ratio let us say 8000/10000 as an example, meanwhile the players that don't play him would have 20/100 kills. Average would still be about 80% unless the lesser skilled players played him more frequently than the skilled players.
If you like making these videos then you should continue making them. It's pretty entertaining and informative to watch. Hopefully they make his kit really fun for both sides.
For each survivor death besides the obsession increase speed by 2%
Realisitically i wouldnt mind them going more into the strache mirror myers play style more, but making it slightly better, i just feel thats the myers i like playing the best against and it something completely different than what other killers bring, but any good rework i would be happy with.
I feel like that most played killer list was heavily affected by new dbd players who got it for Christmas and veterans not playing during December cause they have a life and celebrating the holidays so you get a trapper in the top 10???
No way... Trapper is one of the most fun killers to play. You must have no idea how rewarding it is to be chasing one survivor and hear two different traps catch two other survivors at the same time. It's not about that obvious trap shutting down a pallet loop that makes Trapper fun.... it's catching unsuspecting survivors not even in chase with the big brain traps that makes him fun!!!!! Sure you can put 3 traps at the obvious spots at shack.... but you'll catch WAY more survivors putting a single trap in a grassy patch at the corner of shack.
There's definitely a way to make Myers never be able to run out of stalk, without it being oppressive.
Basically, every survivor would start with 10 stalk points. First time you fully stalk them, there's a 30 second cooldown until they regenerate their stalk to 7.5 stalk points or 3/4 of what they had before.
From then on, you would always have to fully stalk them, then wait 30 seconds for them to regenerate their stalk to 7.5 stalk points, giving survivors respite from always being stalked, while also never being able to run out of stalk.
I'm a 50/50 player. I like playing as Mikey but he is still by far my favorite character to go against, they really got the feel of his character down. I still get a chill down my spine when I'm looking around and suddenly spot him staring at me in the distance. His power is underrated but I agree it's not as strong as I feel like it should be.
I think that Mikey's effectiveness is only hurt after his presence is known. I feel like a good change for him would be once he reaches Tier 3 that when he drops back to Tier 2 it drops his terror radius as if he's back to Tier 1. Then the more his stalk meter fills the larger his terror radius gets until it's at a normal size at around 50 or 60%. That way it incentivizes getting to Tier 3 early on providing a more effective jump scare or gen grab even later on in the game, it also provides a little paranoia for the survivors BUT it also gives them a hint as to how much stalk has been built up to help counter or to avoid him. It feels very on brand with him, because once the Halloween movies are at their climax he is on the hunt but still can appear out of nowhere when he goes in for the kill.
I’m hoping for the rework to make him stronger because he’s weak, especially since he can also lose his power. But I’m trying to complete every achievement and I can’t get evil incarnate so I’m waiting for a rework to complete it. I need 19 trophies left.
Myers balancing has always been wonky. As frustrating as it is to get stomped by tombstone+stalk speed because teammates feed the Mikey…it’s still kind of fun. Myers represents one of a very few killers that still gives me that “oh shit” feeling when facing. The first month or two of dead by daylight for me, all of the killers felt dangerous. I was getting stuck on everything. I was getting lost in tiles. The killers powers felt threatening. As I got better and better it became less about survival and more about skill expression and 50/50’s. Which was a new kind of fun. But myers still makes me a little nervous. I’d like to see quality of life stuff and some retuning to make him less add on reliant and smoothing some of his peaks and valleys of power…but even typing that I worry that that will make him like every other killer. Just a series of if/then scenarios in loops and tiles. I hope not.
It won't be accepted until it's the Robert Englund Freddy Kruger, Rorschach, I mean the other guy is not what many of us want... Respect to Jackie Earle Haley, a legendary actor imo✌️💯
Could we make Myers be able to hide in lockers? Idk how useful it would be but bursting out of a locker for a grab or swipe would feel awesome!
As long as he gets a power change and not an addon change I'll be happy😅
(P.s. he does a good job at killing and hooking, the only thing he suffers from is the chase and having to use different perks that help in chase also PWYF but that's his base it perk)
I wouldn’t be surprised if he got add ons that gave him stbfl or pwyf
1. Make that any 2nd hook fully stalked survivor can be moried (by default).
2. Tombstone increases each survivor max stalk by 25%, removes the 2nd hook requisite and removes his tier 3.
A suggested change i would like which i feel like is perfectly reasonable is having the ability to switch between Evil Within 1 and Evil Within 2 whenever you'd like throughout the game.
This is so that his Stealth mechanics from the first tier are still viable in the late game because if the situation calls for it and you need to start chasing survivors again, you can switch back to Evil Within 2 and continue the chase, and go back to Tier 1 if you want to remain stealthed.
Obviously i feel like switching between tiers at a whim would be a bit too much if there wasn't a cool down, make it maybe 10 seconds between switching, but i wouldn't like to see that timer affecting Evil within 3 tier ups if you just switched to Evil Within 2, as you might need your power right then and there and the 10 second cooldown could be detrimental.
I would also like his shard addons, jewelry add-ons be changed to be something useful, since they are never used in actual play and i personally have only used them a few times just to see if they would work with certain builds but still came to the conclusion that they don't really offer anything. Yeah the shards provide aura reading if you stalked a survivor for 1 second, but that's ONLY when you have line of sight on them, if it were changed to get temporary wallhacks when holding the stalk button regardless if you have line of sight or not, i can see it being used more often, as it'll function exactly like the Vanity and Scratched Mirror addons but without the massive detection radius, it'd probably have to be set to 5 meters and only see survivors for x amount of seconds like it already has.
The jewelry addons, well, they are truly useless, they only make you move faster while stalking but there's never a situation where you'll need that, you could say that scratched mirror myers can synergise with it but you shouldn't be moving around the map holding the stalk button down, because you'll be incredibly slow, you should be tapping the stalk button as your moving so you don't get the slow down and you're still tracking survivors, so you're always using the boyfriends memo instead, which there's no reason as to why you wouldn't use that addon in the first place.
He also has his Hair addons, specifically the purple, yellow and brown addons, everyone knows the green hair bow is the best in terms of value and usefulness, it'll increase your base Evil Within 3 duration from 60 seconds, to 90 seconds, and only increases the stalk requirement for it by 150% (for the first tier up only) compared to the base 100% requirement.
The Purple lock of hair addon only increases it by an extra 10 seconds, and brings the requirement up further to 200%, which takes too long, and the yellow hair brush addon is the exact same as the green addon in terms of stalk requirement, both being 150%, but the hair brush only increases the duration by 20 seconds, instead of the green's 30, so why you would use the Hair brush addon over the Hair bow addon makes no sense, as you're getting less Evil Within III time for the same amount of stalk, the only reason to use it is if you don't have any Hair bow addons.
Now the brown Blonde hair addon, absolutely useless as it only increases your Evil Within 3 by an extra 10 seconds, but guess what, it ALSO takes the same amount of time to stalk survivors as the Yellow and Green addon by 150%, which again, there's no reason why you shouldn't be using the Green Hair bow addon as it costs the exact same but gives you way more time.
I have always liked the tombstone addons, i understand that from a balanced gameplay perspective that it isn't a very great addon to go against for survivors, as it can be completely unfair when a team mate is oblivious to myers stalking them and then gets easy tombstone at the beginning of the game and then catches a survivor unaware at 4 or even 5 gens left and removes them from the match permanently.
I feel like the tombstone addons are an integral part of his character, it matches his persona in the movies, and it would be a shame to see it go, i hope they don't remove the functionality entirely, but i can live with any changes that keeps it in the game but rebalances it somehow so it isn't as easy to kill survivors at the beginning of the game.
However in my personal opinion to all the people that have still been complaining about the addons since forever, and to the people i play against that complain about it, i always say the same thing...
Tombstone has been in the game for 7 years, and people still don't know how to counter it, instead they complain and whinge and all i have to say is you've had plenty of time to get better and avoid it, 7 years is a long time to understand and avoid getting killed, but i know that there isn't always other options available to escape sometimes, but that's my take on it.
Dead rabbit, Scratched Mirror, Vanity Mirror and Fragrant tuft of hair i don't see any issues with and i don't see them requiring any changes.
I feel there has to be some killers like this in a game like this, easy to pick up and play for beginners. But everyone wants to spend hours and hours learning blight, nurse or Hunteress.
There has to be levels to this. But I'm all for changes too.
I think he’s completely fine where he’s at. He’s my favorite killer and even though he needs his add ons to be really good/fun, I think that’s fine
Myers: The only killer that nowadays can rid himself off his power by accident. So a change to that mechanic would be the most understandable- and I do not care about the tombstone at all. Let him keep it as is, no need to babysit the survs. If the Myers manages to get THIS much extra stalk from an oblivious surv, he deserves this reward :) Also: rememeber he literally is an M1with a lil xtra, nothing more- even in Tier 3.
Still can't believe Myers has been able to run out of his own power if you stalk wrong in a match for literal years
It's not even about stalking wrong. It's about doing too well by being a perfect stalker and draining every survivor of all their atalkpoints before the match is done.
They should make certain actions on survivor or killer side regenerate stalkpoints on the survivors, rewarding Michael for playing well.
honestly I think Myers is the closes we will wver get to a welll balanced character.
the stats show he is strong, he feels good to play and he isnt to far off the mark. the fact he hasnt been changed in so long, even for BHVR standards should be a signe that they hit the nail on the head with his balance
I have to agree. At higher MMR there is proper counterplay too (jumping in a locker if he has insta-mori Tier 3). It honestly feels great all around to PLAY Myers and play AGAINST Myers. I don't look forward to any updates. Sure there are small things like maybe there should be a community stalk pool or a punishment if YOU get fully stalked, but still I enjoy playing as and against Myers. Freddy should instead be the most important killer to update.
Great video! Now do Twins🤩
Another killer bad at lower ranks but a competitive monster at the high ranks
Then there's Skullmerchant...just a mess
I forgot how many times she’s been changed, it’s hard for me to keep up with her lol
😢 I hope they don’t change Mikey’s tombstone. I love deleting survivors during events that bring map offerings.
They should make him faster when no one is looking at him like in the movies
Would be hilarious to have the man ice skating when nobody is looking lol
My personal best experience with Freddy was when he first came out and I personally enjoyed his power
The Tombstone Piece is really extremely problematic imo. Honestly Myers only needs a few changes imo. Make him 110 in tier one. Make his stalking the same as Ghostface in that the range doesn't effect the rate at which you gain stalk. Lastly either make survivors slowly regain evil so he can never be completely out of power or make his tier three last longer at base.
i would change micheal myers like,i would give him an extrsa power like if he kills a survivor he gets stronger just like in the movies but i would not remove the stalk power
Michael myers was one of the first killers in this game yet every spaz I play with might as well be blowing him, they just sit there letting him fill his meter
Myers is such a unique killer in the sense that he has multiple play styles to him because of his add ons
Scratched mirror myers
Tombstone myers
Infinite tier 3 myers
(Rip) Burger King myers
Etc..
Thats the one thing i hope they don't get rid of. I don't want to play him like every other killer with 1 play style. He is a FUN killer. He isnt that effective but hes FUN. And that's what matters. If he was ineffective and boring nobody would even play him. Which is what i really hope doesnt happen.
I also hope they give him a basekit mori like Pyramid head and Sadako. Thats the one thing he needs, his mori is so iconic and used so much that it HAS to be part of his basekit
@@pixelatedtoastTrue. They could make it similar to how Sadako's mori works, but instead of fully condemned, have them fully stalked. Then, if he catches them and downs them, he can mori them. It wouldn't punish unlucky players (that got in the way at the wrong time, even though they didn't get stalked at all) and it would enable you to kill players that can't empower you anymore, instead of having to wander the map, looking for a not fully stalked survivor, hoping that the fully depleted survivor stays where they are (therefor 0:20 you would also not loose Stalkpoints because you grabbed the wrong survivor to mori).
Myers I play the most in dbd as a form of therapy (trauma related to that mask). Freddy think still about people not wanting "that" Freddie but Englund and voice lines like Chucky but licensing will always prevent that.
It really bugs me they have him holding his knife pointed up instead of down.
It swaps to being pointed down in Tier 3. I think they did it right by showing the less lethal power of the lower tiers of his power. Holding the knife to injure vs. holding it to kill.
@@hinney827when He is tier 3 he is in his most powerful state so it makes sense to keep his knife in different states to show the survivors who they’re facing against
@@Supboi yup that was my exact point.
@@hinney827 sorry for specifically tagging you. I meant to tag the bobbydigital guy but yeah 💯 you’re right
He always has his knife pointed up in the films more than he has it pointing down. The only moves where you see him have it pointing down is when he’s walking across the street to get to Laurie, in all of Halloween 5 and probably one scene in 4. For the rest he only has it pointed down when he’s about to do a stabbing motion.
Let him switch back to tier 1, and let survivors regain stalk, make it so he has to press a button to tier up to tier 2, or 3. Don’t make his stalk meter reset for every tier, make it so he can build up to where if everyone i would be theoretically stalked max, then that’s where it caps. Going to tier 2 takes away 20% of all stalk, tier 1 takes away 10, and tier 3 takes away 40%. Also make stalking from afar more rewarding than up close. So tier 1 is meant to be for getting stalk but not really chase. Tier 2 is to keep pressure so that way your not some harmless killer letting people do gens, and you can do chase. And tier 3 is for all out going for people. If they change his iris, make it so one of them is that there is no noise notification to let people know when he tiers up or down. So people find out the hard way what tier he’s in. Keep scratched mirror. Also he should have a base kit mori for his obsession when they reach 2nd hook and he pops tier 3 on them. Also i was thinking his 2nd iri add on be to where at start of game, there is no obsession, and the first person you stalk becomes obsession or something.
Less matches equals better chances. One match happened with Freddy, three died
Kill rate may be bias.
If fred is picked one time and has ko 3 people that's a kill rate of 75%
if myers is picked 100 times ony gets 200 kos that is a kill rate of 50%
but out of 101 games the pick rate is 99%.
So unless there is a know ttl it's not reliable to use % base math because the data can vary depending on comparisons.
True pick rates have a part of it, I think Mikey’s is a bit more clear since he has a high pick and kill rate.
True. With Freddy it's also easy to get 2-4K on indoor maps and most people bring an offering for such a map. Just bring the Legion aura perk and the yellow add on for killerinstinct and you are almost always guarantied at least one hit after a Dream projection.
But since many don't play him, because they find him boring, he's so low in pick rate. Also his weakness is the end game which is why good Freddy players always try to finish the game before end game, else you are pretty weak, since you're just an M1 killer (except if you get a survivor to fall asleep before they open the gate).
He is weak against good players and even more against SWFs, since his snares are weak and Dream pallets don't work against SWFs on coms, since awake survuvors can easily tell the locations of fake pallets.
Thats whats gonna happen - they remove his mori addons, and make mirror addons unplayable, and make his basekit slightly better, and maybe add some new micro mechanic which will never works against good survivors. Thats it.
Nerfed all the fun and skill, make unbearable weak basekit little better and add some random sh to create a visibility of doing something. Thats how bhvr change the game whej something is "problematic"
Mori addons never were problematic - they have few ways to counter and requires surgery perfect plays from myers to execute, if we speak about killing more than one survivor with tombstone. If you got moried vs myers, its skill issue on your side. Tombstones makes myers unique and horrifying. The only thing survs scared of is him, cause he just kills, no hooks no second chances. Its beautiful for the game
Agree. If they had to rework the mori mechanic with him, then they at least should make it similar to how it works with Sadako or Pyramid head. Fully depleted of stalkpoints =>getting downed => mori them if you want to.
Might be harder in some cases (like with those really good survivors), but then no one could cry for having bad RNG, because they would die because of their stupidity to get fully stalked.
I don't like that to happen, but if it has too, then I would be okay with it.
Only things I would want for him is small buffs to his movement speed, his vaulting speed and lunge range. And make it that certain actions on the survivor/killer side regenerate stalkpoints on all survivors. That would solve his biggest weakneeses: early game and loss of power for being too good of a stalker.
A myers apocalypse could be fun after all he’s still M1
bhvr just started to listening players
the only way to play myers is inf tier 3 wich at this point should be basekit
what about reusing the stalk left when u kill smn, and give it to the rest of the team?, that way u dont get punished for making mistakes
Myers don't need changes gameplay wise , he needs new masks and outfits lol
Myers is the last bit of old DBD thats left in the game. When they changed Freddy they took everything away that made him unique and opted for the modern dbd design of anti loop and better map traversal. I do not want that to be Myers
unfortunately killers need good chase power or map pressure to survive against current gen speeds. We could have more killers like this if there were secondary objectives
I sure hope they don’t make him generic anti loop killer
I still stand by that. Freddy was really good until they nerfed his dream snares now they essentially do nothing. They don't slow anyone down for any period of time anymore
Yeah Freddy’s been got nerfs for quite a few patches
They should make Freddy his classic character complete with voice lines.
if they remove tombstone that would be tragic, its one cool thing Myers has. I totally expect it to be removed because, its not fun on the other side. we will see.
Yep, i really enjoy discussion video with your input and explanation. makes brainstorming more fun.
Awesome, thank you!
I hope BHVR could tweak up its stalking just a little maybe add something new, Myers was the 2nd chapter (2nd DLC to release) which was released 2016 and right now Myers is a little boring at times like it stalks then attacks that's all nothing unique, Tier 1 has the ability to be undetected which makes you slow with no terror radius replacing its aproaching theme to its breathing (this is a cool feature I like this feature since day 1) but other than that there's nothing unique about Myers (also PLEASE REMAKE ITS MASK) another thing they could do is Rework some of Myer's Perks and/or Addons
I would honestly be fine if they just give us a model update. That’s all I’m begging for. Maybe even movie accurate mask and coveralls cosmetics. I want that dark green coveralls he had the first movie.
Dark green? I'm pretty sure it's always been dark blue. I do agree he needs a new model for the mask to make it look more like the original.
@@asterix1912 yeah it was a dark, charcoal-like green. Only looks blue because of the night time color filter. If you look at some of the scenes during the daytime, it's easier to see the real color.
@@kalebisdrab I prefer the dark blue, I think it fits him more then. I'm guessing that's why they had the night time color filter, to make him look more intimidating and they must have preferred it that way too.
@@asterix1912 i get that. Tbh the thing that matters to me the most is the mask. If that's not right, everything else is insignificant.
@@kalebisdrab true! The mask is very important and it would be great if they could touch up the model that's used in the game because although it is recognizable, it is outdated and not faithful to the original. Michael's mask is very hit or miss, just take a look at how bad the masks are across all the films. It can either look very good or very very bad and DBD's could look a lot better.
Something that ruins a lot of games from my experience is they care so much about being competitive that they fail to let casual players have any actual fun. If Myers ends up like that I may quit altogether because while it isn’t good now, it’s a simple character to use when you just want to unwind and play this game, as well as being great for any fan of Michael in general.
I love playing scratch myers on larry's
Same. It's also what got me my adept on Michael. You can so easily see sneaky survivors hiding behind a corner , running towards the hook for a save the second you leave the room, not thinking that you sre only a few seconds away from downing them after the save. The two Bills traided hooks until the first of them was dead and the second was on death hook. And they even tried to shame me for "camping" the hook, just because they couldn't wait for longer than 2 seconds after me hooking to get to a rescue.
And then the Meg hiding in the basement locker, thinking thst I wouldn't find her. But Scratched Mirror seems to be the only way to read auras of survivor who hide in lockers. So it was pretty fun to let her think that she was save.
Well sadly, any rework to our boy Mikey isn't coming anytime soon.... BHVR recently released their roadmap for the next three months and there are eight killers getting some sort of rework and Myers is NOT on that list.
bhvr PLEASE don't mess it up. If they're gonna take away jumpscare myers i'm coming to their office.
Last night I had a dream I was playing as Myers in virtual reality 3d
I've never played this game
I mean it's an easy issue. You've started with a relatively awful killer that requires doing nothing but staring at survivors in a game where in 90 seconds any gen can be completed. Then you gave it add ons that make it the most ridiculous easy win mode character in the game. You can't balance him properly without completely removing his good mods that only balanced him for being awful. Then you see how badly they neutered Billy with his mods when they changed him and you see why they are reluctant to try changing anything lol
5:39 make mori basekit like pyramid head??
That would be cool. And then have it similar requirements as with Sadako (fully condemned) or Payramid Head (tormented and on death hook (but I'm leaning more towards the Sadako side)).
Have him be able to mori a survivor, once they are fully stalked (all 10 stalkpoints drained) you can mori them, if you catch them, no matter the tier or if the survivor hops onto gens or into lockers, you just have to down them.
Maybe it would have less counterplay, but it wouldn't punish someone, who hid well because of someone being stupid and trying to do a staring contest with Michael.
Some might say it would be OP, but on the other hand it would depend on how you play as a survivor and how much power you let him get from you.
I don’t know if this is confirmed but I’ve heard that John Carpenter himself has veto power on changes to Myers and he apparently likes Michael the way he is.
Not true. Carpenter doesn't own the character. He hasn't for decades.
I don’t believe this is the case, he sold his bit in the rights after the second or first movie to the akkads
He had no rights to the franchise since he sold them to the Akkards. The rightholders currently is Miramax, who worked on Halloween since H4 and were also the license holders (with the Akkards ofc) when Halloween got added to DBD. Blumhouse only got them for the trilogy after that.
So Akkard & Miramax own the franchise, which also means, we'll get more good sequels (rumors have it that there is a Halloween 4.5 in the making with Danielle Harris as Jamie Lloyd).
He creates like a new dbd tho, its a cool minigame and yea a noob is going to get moried but against 4 survs who know what they r doing, its this high tension, does he have it type of gameplay
I just hope they add shirtless michael : )
Don't touch the tombstone addons. If there is one thing they should not touch it is the tombstone addons. I hate it when people advocate for removing or castrating the one unique thing Michael can do. Buff him with a mobility option and call it a day. That is if he must be reworked.
Agree. He only needs a higher mobility (movement and vaulting (like make Bamboozle's 15% faster vault basekit)) and then he's totally fine. Maybe get a way to regenerate stalk points to not run out of power for doing well.
@@valeriebreidenstein8362 True, I would advocate for a passive regeneration of "evil" that can be obtained from each survivor. He already has a faster than average vaulting speed so it's more about his ability to put pressure on generators or on loops. It's like Trapper, he has very little map pressure.
@@iancollins4380 True. But his little faster vault doesn't really matter anymore, since every killer vaults faster now.
Making Michael vault almost as fast as survivors when entering tier 3 would really make him a menace in chase and that would let you end chases faster and would punish survivors for letting him get to his strongest form.
And if they can't do the regeneration of stalkpoints, then they should make tombstone basekit but only for fully stalked survivors, once you down them, you can mori them.
Personally I'm not looking forward to big Myers changes. Yes he is add-on dependent but I'm okay with that. I have fun playing as and against Myers. Maybe there could be some "improvement updates" like a pooled stalk or if you get maxed stalk as an individual you get a penalty for it (to protect against people that let themselves get fully stalked then someone else gets Mori'd for it). Still, not looking too forward to any changes. I have fun as Myers. He fits the scary feel of being a stalker stealth killer.
Edit: and I say this in the context of having other killers that seriously need upgrades, like Freddy for example. There are way more important killers to work on than Myers.
I don’t think he’s getting big changes, unlike Freddy which is why they’re changing Freddy later. He needs more time to cook while I imagine Myers changes are going to be a lot easier
The top 3 is heavily boosted by survivors dcing.
True.
I was honestly surprised that SM didn't have a higher kill rate with the ammount of people that DC against her or kill themselves on hook. Seems like SM players can't even win against bots sometimes 🤭.
Also nurse would likely be much higher, if not for all those who can't play her well and get 1k at most. (I might bring it down too for my dailys with Nurse, i couldn't get a single kill with her).
tombstone basekit
and mirror basekit as long as evil 1
also pwyf basekit
and nemesis rancor game afoot friends till the end basedkit ayaya
Please don't mess with the tombstones....we already get OP bully squad sweats , it's the leveller
True. I literally just had a bully squad and they made the trial the worst that I ever had. Chaining blinds (even in endgame!), making me unable to reach tier 3, the one moment I had to mori that Bill a second after reaching tier 3.
Continuing to jump into lockers, just to not let me get my achievement, and then t bagging me from the other side of pallets.
Soon as you see 4 man torches , smash on the lightborn perk , really rains on thier parade ❤️
@@GrimDark_92 Sadly they all switched to it last second. Normally I have Lightborn basekit, if there's at least one flashy.
Bloody buggers , yeahs when that happens you know they're gonna be toxic as hell
It makes so much more sense to be able to mori after fully stalking someone.
The tombstone add-ons can even just make this happen with LESS hooks.
Base is death hook, tombstone 2nd hook, and his finak add-on could also do 2nd hook, but he doesn't leave tier 3 on the mori, like now
Also please GOD let us trigger tier 3!!
Like you could even over fill the Guage, but activating it takes a certain amount. You could literally save up to a late game infinite, which I think is fair.
Honestly all I need is for them to change Michaels mask
He’s popular? Playing 8 years, almost daily, and he’s a rare treat to see.
Basically, bhvr doesn't give a shit about their game
Bhvr is my favorite company. They listen to a lot of the communities issues. I hate when people complain about “bhvr not listening to us” when they literally have to tackle 1 issue at a TIME!… people only complain because bhvr has spoiled us… always listening so when bhvr seems like they haven’t replied in a day or 2.. people say “oh bhvr doesn’t listen to us”… bro bhvr isn’t a robot.. bhvr is a company of human beings that have a family/ life outside of Dead By Daylight©️
I’m surprised you used Freddy as your example and not the pig lmao
The most im hoping for is they fix his model especially his mask its still wonky
id like his ability to be changed the stalking is pretty stupid it waste alot of time. Maybe if it would turn into a permanent tier 3 id use him.
I feel like Michael is more or less okay. He just needs quality of life adjustments and some small balance adjustments. I would also really like them doing something with the tombstone addon. It's fun to use, but half the time I face a Myers they're using it, and that has been affecting how much I enjoy going against him.
Also, change his damn mask and overalls; they look like they’re perpetually stuck in 2016 graphics.
Not to mention the mask just looks like shit.
Yeah I think he just needs some tweaks, no need to reinvent the wheel with him
We still don't have his Halloween 2018 mask
And we won't get it, since Blumhouse no longer owns the franchise. It's back with the people who know how to make a good Halloween movie: Miramax. We might get a Halloween 4.5 in the near future, if the rumors are true and have Jamie back as the main focus.
It's more likely that we will get cosmetics frim the oG timeline or the new movie (once it comes out), then to ever get any of the cosmetics from the DGG trilogy.
And I'm ok with that. It's not DGG Michael either way, so why would he have cosmetics from a totaly different person (after all he's OG timeline's Michael Myers, not an old weak man that looses to a grandma😂).
@@valeriebreidenstein8362 2018 mask cool, me want cool mask. That's all
I know this is out of pocket but would it be ok if you shared my idea of a Freddy rework as a video sometime? I don’t have the tools or skills to create a Freddy Rework Proposal video sadly and honestly I don’t know where to begin or what to do.
tbh i didn' t knoe trapper was in the top most played killers, sad as hell.
I love Tombstone when im playing survivor. The matches never feel so tense. Sticking to a gen, asking yourself if you know where the nearest locker is. Watching someone else get chased and asking yourself how long they can keep him distacted. I sincerely hope they stay in the game forever. Not to mention the catharsis of playing Tombstone myers.
I love going up against tombstone as well
@@StalkyBoi my man 🤝
Freddy on his way to his second rework? If I'm not mistaken isn't it technically on his way to his 3rd?
As far as I’m aware it’s not, I don’t recall another variation of the character other than dream world/snares. I wouldn’t say dreamworld counts as a rework since that was his original incarnation
@@StalkyBoi oh I remember hearing people call his most recent rework his 2nd rework. I think people were calling his initial huge nerf a rework or something I bet.
People tend to overuse that term I swear lol 😆
bhvr mindset: If a killer has low pick rate then they are awful and need to be buffed. If a killer has high pickrate that means they are fun and strong!!! 90% this is not the case... A killer can have high pickrate cause they are fun to play but not really strong or a killer can be strong but super boring to play. I hate bhvr and how they think honestly
True. Also Trapper, Michael and Wraith have such a high pickrate because they are also easy to pick up and play as (they have a low skill floor). Beginners won't play Nurse or Twins, just because they are strong.
Pickrate says nothing about the character.
Twins recently already got changes and still their pickrate didn't change. And now they get another change (as if it would change on how many play them).
Too focused on milking whales with cosmetics and trying to add more bugs than fixes.
Probably took them a while because they Probably were running out of idea's sense there are like 30 killers
You deserve more, it's a crime seeing a great youtuber this underrated
It’s crazy how many characters there are now
@@StalkyBoi so true
I'd say it's cuz the new devs are more ambitious than the previous ones
Ok I just want the visual rework tbh