Denmark’s STRANGE looking international train!
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- Опубліковано 5 гру 2023
- This is Denmark's very strange looking international train. I'll be riding the IC3 from Hamburg to Aarhus in FIrst Class, and explaining the reason for this weird design. Join me for a pleasant ride though the countryside of northern Europe. :)
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Journey Details:
Origin: Hamburg Hbf
Destination: Aarhus H
Company: Danske Statsbaner
Train: DSB IC3
Accommodation: DSB 1' Seat (1st)
Distance: 409 kilometres / 254 miles
Price: 759 kr. (£87.80 / €101.80 / $110.80)
Time: 4 hours 27 minutes, arrived 2 minutes early
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Another reason for the strange front of the IC3 is that the rubber diaphragm 'catches' an amount of air in front of it, forming an "air pillow" that greatly reduces the air resistance. So it's actually much more aerodynamic than if it had a flat front like the English train you showed! The diaphragm gets deflated when they couple together, and then re-inflates after being decoupled.
Also, your pronunciation of "Aarhus Hovedbanegård" sounds like you have a very strong Swedish accent :p
That's interesting! I never had heard this before.
Correction: The diaphragm on one of the trains gets deflated when they couple together, *BUT* it re-inflates after being *COUPLED*.
@@mikkolukas No, the diaphragms are deflated while the trains are coupled. There's still some air in them of course, to make sure the seal is tight, but they are far from full. So after two trains decouple, the diaphragms look very flat for a while, until they're inflated again.
They're mostly deflated while the trains are coupled and don't fully re-inflate until the trains are separated again.
Everyone says I sound Swedish! 😂
@@SuperalbsTravels Så vad är du? Dansk? Svensk?
As a dane, ive never questioned the design of our train designs.. just rolled with it, but this video gave much insight on how others sees our odd danish trains.
I never thought of this either! 😆 But I do see, compared to other countries, that our trains, might look strange 😄😆
Don't worry, the Swedes have them too, Litra Y2, the even make IC2 looking consists for some route out east. so: I guess it's their fault?
Our most beautiful ones are defently the old MX and MY
Oh man. As mentioned the IC4 train was a complete failure and the replacement - IC5 - is now delayed until 2027. At that point many of the IC3 trains have been operating for at least 35 years.
It was a brilliant design in the 80s, but they are getting very, very tired.
And I don't think people are giving the wiered design enough credit. Coupling/decoupling trainsets might happen multiple times during the 4,5 hour trip from Aalborg to Copenhagen growing the train from 1 three-car unit to 5.And its so damm efficient.
Basically the train driver just drives one unit into the rear of the other one at a walking pace. It gives a small shake, some "air release noises" and that is it.
The same thing when decoupling. The train goes into the station at a walking pace. The train driver hits a button and the units disconnect and brake individually. Its fairly impressive and something I experience very day when taking my 12 minute ride to Aarhus
Problem is that maintenance of dsb materiel the last 8 years has been greatly reduced on everything
They’re selling the IC4 online too haha like 11 train sets 😅
Fun fact: one of the IC4 units was given by AnsaldoBreda to Gaddafi and there is therefore one in Tripoli, Libya. It's not used for anything, but it took the Danish government 4 years to figure out one of their trains were missing. You can even see it on Google Maps!
the trip from Aalborg to Copenhagen is a bit faster, at 4 hours 13 minutes (I'll be making that trip myself next Thursday), but yeah, the coupling/decoupling is something you barely notice....
😊
The border checks at the Flensburg - Padborg border started due to the European Refugee Crisis 2015. My mom crosses that border daily, because she's one of Danish minority people living in Flensburg, that you mentioned and works in Denmark.
So I'm curious, is your mother paid in Euro our Danish Krones? It would suck if you were constantly losing money to conversion fees.
@@Der.Preusse You can have a bank situated in both in Denmark and Germany. In that case you can have both a Danish and Germany Credit/debit card. The bank will make an automatic balance of your accounts. The exchange rate is very close to the official exchange range between Euro and DKK.
For you information, the use of cash in Denmark is very low. Instead, you use cards or paying by your phone. In Germany it is cash more common use. If you need cash, just visit the ATM at the bank.
@@Der.PreusseYou don't lose money because of conversion fees. As Denmark hasn't the Euro, but has a contract with the EU to have their currency coupled to the Euro, the banks are not allowed to take any fees. In fact, I can pay in DKK with my german bank card wireless and don't get stolen of any extra cents. And in shops the conversation rate is normally 1 euro = 7,5 DKK, which is even favorable to us, as the real conversion rate is 1 Euro to 7,45 DKK ;)
To add to the OP:
Border checks is actually only temporary authorised.
But that temporary Law is perpetually being extended (every 6 months, I believe).
Having these borderchecks has and is taking a toll on both Police, home guard and Military readiness. Because of the manhour usage.
But apparently it Is a popular law, among politicians and I'd assume the population. Because of the fear of illegal immigration.
Except for many citizens using the border regularly, E.g. working in Germany. I guess, the OP's mother could expand on, whether this is widespread.
And as is said in the video, not everyone entering the country are checked. Meaning, it's effectiveness is often debated.
I wish they'd repeal that law soon. We're basically giving our schengen friends the middle finger. I don't leave Denmark all that often myself, but it's a waste of resources and it's not a good look internationally 😒
Finally: the rubber train
I always visualise them when listening to rubbery sounding Elastic Love by Christina Aguilera. 😅😮
Øresundståg: 😭
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Reminds me of a baboons butt
The self powered three-in-one layout is actually a leftover from before the Great Belt Bridge was built. They needed to fit on the ferries and each ubit being powered meant they could shunt them on board without dedicated locos
Nice video. I like these Danish IC3 trains. Despite their odd appearances they are really comfortable. I once travelled from Odense to Copenhagen with some friends from Chile and Russia. I had booked tickets without seat reservation because it was a rather calm time of the day. However, my friends kept on walking through the train, passing several empty seats. When I asked them about it they answered they'd be searching for the second class. Everything looked that comfortable to them, they thought the whole train was 1st class;-)
Awesome! 🥰
6:48 In its early years, IC3 used to come with onboard catering, at least on national routes in Denmark. A trolley loaded with goodies like candies, sandwiches, sodas, coffee, and tea would make its way through the entire train a couple of times during those long journeys. And if you needed something in between, no worries - just track down the steward chilling in the galleyway for a quick fix.
We still have this service on Irish trains!!
At least they still provide water on the trains during heat waves.
they still do on inland trains, ive travelled cross country several times, and there was a trolley almost everytime...
The reason why they don't have them on all trains anymore is due to their trade union being too successful. The staff is payed exactly the same as the train driver and operator due to being classified as part of the safety crew. That obviously makes any catering service on low traffic lines impossible to be profitable.
Besides by now I think most Danes have just gotten used to bringing food and drinks on the train ourselves.
@@SaturnusDK The prices have always been a rib off also on national lines in Denmark. That's why passengers in general bring their own food etc. Besides some of the IC3 trains have got vending machines installed. I have never heard that the staff should be a part of the safety crew. They are imploied by 7-Eleven and before 7-Eleven took over it was "DSB kiosker og restauranter" a private danish company. They were/are as badly paid as in every other supermarket job
1:17 Hamburg Hauptbahnhof doesn't just feel overcrowded, it really is overcrowded. One weird thing is that, despite the fact that it is a through running station, every single regional train (except for the S-Bahn) terminates there. That's why so many people change trains there.
Lots of trains continue to Altona to be honest. :)
@@SuperalbsTravels I said every _regional_ train. Yes, a lot of IC and ICE trains coming from the rest of Germany continue to Dammtor and Altona, but they aren't regional trains. You can't use them to get around the Hamburg area on monthly passes or tourist tickets, for example. In fact, you can't buy a ticket for IC and ICE trains just for going between stations within Hamburg, say from Harburg to Altona.
And I just checked to make sure I'm not mistaken, every single RE and RB that calls at Hamburg Hauptbahnhof does indeed terminate there.
I'm not sure if Altona as a terminus station were able to turn around more trains from the South in addition to the existing long-distance ICE and IC services and northbound regional trains.
The just released plans to update the station also keep the historic center part of it.
Sadly not a lot of new platforms will be added, as there just isn't any space next to the trainstation due to its location.@@SuperalbsTravels
@@namenamename390Actually one can buy a ticket on long distance trains for travel inside Hamburg, but not on most trains. Those which are starting or ending inside Hamburg have these stops marked as enter/leave only.
But e.g. an ICE from Frankfurt to Kiel has no such restrictions.
This ticket will be 3-4 times the price of S-Bahn, though.
Very fair review. The reason for the rubber front, is simply to reduce friction with the air, also when coupling several trains together. My grandfather was with DSB for 40 years. He started with steam, before ww2, and ended with diesel electric. The beautiful MY. The IC3 rattleling sounds have soothed many a hangover sunday cross Jutland journeys.😊
Someone from my family brought the MY to Denamark, its a very nice lokomotiv.
Neat to see a review on the Danish workhorse. This is gonna be a very long comment coming from a Danish guy just fyi.
Regarding catering then DSB has not had any onboard restaurants or even kiosks on their trains since the 90's. The IC3's and some of its electric IR4 sister units did have a small kiosk compartment by one of the doors but that has been long out of use. DSB also used to have an onboard trolley service but it was removed in 2014 to cut down on expenses. Since 2020 however theyve reintroduced something similar to a trolley, with a service worker, carrying a tray of snacks and a backpack full of hot water to make instant coffee. Its supposed to be on most Lyntog services but you have no guarantee of knowing whether the service will even be on your train or not, plus the prices for whats on offer are also very expensive. Even compared to the 7eleven kiosks at stations. As for the future, DSB's new Talgo trains in 2024 and Alstom built IC5 electric trains in 2027 (yeah it just got delayed from 2025 to 2027) will feature onboard vending machines selling coffee and light snacks.
The IC5's which will replace the IC3's on most routes will feature exclusively standard class as DSB wants a "flexible seating plan" where they can designate a whole carriage or no carriages as 1st class, quiet areas, family zones, or any other way they want based on the demand for the exact service they're providing. DSB loves to use any train they have for any kind of service. A mockup of the IC5 made by Alstom has also gotten a lot of criticism with its seats by Danes for being of subpar comfort compared to the IC3's. Danish passengers have very VERY high expectations to comfort.
Also the border controls have been in place ever since the migrant crisis of 2015, and politicians have been extending the "temporary" border checks ever since on all primary routes in and out of Denmark. Officially on the grounds of human trafficking and combatting terrorism, but it has always been very related to islamophobia and racism and keeping illegal islamic and african immigrants out. Especially since only the main ways in and out on the main routes like the highways and main roads, but most of the minor roads across the border further west along with the local rail line from Niebüll into Denmark have no border checks at all. The Border controls have been a mixed bag here in terms of opinions with a good chunk of people, especially those living in the border region, not liking them, but an even greater amount wanting them to be permanent, especially right wing voters and politicians, with a right wing centrist government currently in power in Denmark.
Also yeah IC services in Denmark are quite slow. They're usually more comparable to something that'd be labelled an Interregional in other countries. If you want a fast service, you'd take the Lyntog or Lightning train. But that too also stops in several smaller towns/cities after reaching Fredericia. Mainly because of a lot of mayors pitifully demanding that the lightning trains stop in their small city. One high speed rail bridge meant to bypass the town of Vejle in the triangle region was caught in political limbo for 9 years and then cancelled because of Nimbys complaining about their fjordside mansion prices going down, and the mayor of Vejle that complained that "Vejle would be erased off the Danish map" by Lightning trains serving the largest cities bypassing the city and the long winding route on each side of the fjord.
As for the price, yeah its expensive, and 1st class ticket prices are usually fixed. The normal 2nd class tickets are usually as well, but DSB also offers discounted tickets with dynamic pricing. Namely the "Orange" tickets which can only be bought in their app and on their website, and not through any 3rd parties. The Orange ticket is completely inflexible, valid for only 1 specific departure but usually at rock bottom prices and in limited quantity, usually sold out at least a month in advance. Theyve also introduced the Orange Fri which is also rather cheap, available in greater quantities, and can be fully refunded if cancelled up to 30 minutes before departure. The Orange Fri tickets have become very popular on long distance services.
Thanks for the nice overview - enjoyed reading your comment ✌️
>which can only be bought in their app and on their website
lol i remember reaching out about it and the representative i spoke with told me you CAN buy orange tickets in ticket offices BUT they charge a 40 DKK fee for it. very weird that they don't talk about it on their website tbh, but at the same time it makes sense since they constantly push "muh digital" everywhere. i hope the vending machines won't be card/mobilepay only
Greetings from your southern neighbours, very nice summary of the whole situation, indeed... I'll be on the route to Copenhagen in about 2 weeks from now, on my way to Sweden. I got pretty lucky this time with tickets, 1st Class from Kiel in Germany to Kalmar in Sweden was "just" about 90€ each way, including reservation...the Hamburg/Copenhagen always was pretty crowded when I used it, I guess this will better with the higher capacity of the Talgo sets, and then ofc. from 2030 again, with trains from Hamburg going over Fehmarn, Rödby, etc again
@@mokocchi5921 Well if the vending machines stick around at all. We're already seeing plans to phase out the Rejsekort in favour of an app solely on the grounds of removing the readers and reloading machines to not spend that money. And SJ are shutting down their ticket machines in Sweden. Lokaltog and AarBus have also been shutting down the ticket machines onboard their trains and buses.
But also DSB only has 3 staffed ticket offices in all of Denmark, in Copenhagen, Odense, and Aarhus respectively.
@@007Marke Yeah, the Fehmarn tunnel will slash journey times in half, thats gonna be a gamechanger. As for you, the train you'll be on will very likely be some of the German IC1 coaches that DSB currently have on loan. The Talgos have been delayed and DSB have been using old Deutsche Bahn Intercity coaches since June of this year, and will likely keep using them until 2025 whenever their first 8 Talgo sets are fully phased into service. Maybe even a bit further considering their IC5 electric trains for domestic use just got delayed by an additional 2 years and that DSB struggles to keep their disasterous IC4 DMU's by Ansaldo Breda going. In that case it'd probably be wise to lease a few locomotives, and perhaps loan even more carriages from DB and use them where it makes sense to phase out the IC4 completely, and keep this temporary fleet around until enough IC5's by alstom are in service.
Sadly this service won't exist anymore in a few days. This is because the international Denmark/Germany-Route will only be served by an electric vehicle with former german IC-Coaches. So there won't be any service from Hamburg to Aarhus until the track from Fredericia to Aarhus will be electrified :(. There will only be Hamburg-Copenhagen from now on
Nope. DSB will use whatever they have. Its not long ago, a Vectron with double deckers served the route. If DSB needs the rolling stock, they will improvise. Same reason that Øresundståg has been driving to Næstved in K23.
@@casper_christensen But right now this line is no longer included in the DB timetable or am I wrong?
@@halloichbinderdominik the IC3 and Vectron run the same line. IC3 has been going to Germany quite a lot, even though it was "discontinued"
The connection is not part of the new DB timetable as far as I understand it the rolling stock is going to be used to serve more connections on the Hamburg - Copenhagen route instead.
Sad!
I booked this train like 4 months in advance and it was 80 euros from Amsterdam to Aarhus first class. So although it's pricy a week before, if you plan well in advance it can be a total bargain. I really liked the seats and wifi and coffee, tea and biscuits were provided for free. Sorry you had to make due with bottled water. I was checked at Padborg as well, they asked what I was doing in Denmark. I said I came to watch football (because I have a weird obsession with the Danish national team) and he said: can't you watch football in the Netherlands? And when I said I supported Denmark instead he shook his head, gave me my passport and left. Really weird conversation.
Oh, you got lucky and found the best communicating Dane! Cut 'em some slack, they're obviously not used to speaking a comprehensible language ;)
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@@kebrlbro i genuinely cant stop laughing at the fact that swedish people love mocking danes saying they cant take a joke 💀
@@blackmercury956 the real joke is IC4 anyway
If you start your journey at a station in Denmark which provides a "7-Eleven" you can often grab a coffee or a cold beverage without charge.
At some departures between Copenhagen and Aarhus there will be an employee from "7-Eleven" onboard to provide for some service like coffee, tea and/or snacks but they're really expensive!
@@ingloriousdane always bring your own snacks anyway. Even bought at the station is cheaper than on board every time.
I will really miss the IC3/IR4 trains once they get replaced by the IC5. The interior design is so elegant and smart and the fact that you can walk from one end of the train to the other through diferent sets is genius. Shame the company that made them back in the 90s went bust.
Yup, it's a pretty timeless design...
Defently not going to miss the IC4 tho!😅
Scandia closed because of poltical reasons again.
But it was actaully the meaning that the IC'3s were gonna become IC'4s but again the Danish goverment ruined that.
5:15
little funfact about Hamburg-Dammtor;
In the german rail-community its a pretty big meme to joke about Hamburg Dammtor.
It is considered a so called "Haltepunkt" which are basically stations that do not have any switches, something that usually only applies for the very smallest stops,
So people began clowning that Hamburg Dammtor is a "Haltepunkt" while serving very many people and trains.
Hahaha, that's cool! 😂😂😂
The fancy shmancy new main station they're building for Stuttgart will also only be a "Haltepunkt" ("stopping point") - because it has too much of an incline on the platforms to be anything else.
The IC3 really was an ingenious piece of engineering 35 years ago. And the design was surprisingly cheap. They were really good at thinking outside the box for solutions. A famous example is that the gear is a direct copy of a gear used in a Volvo truck. That gear is still working. There was no need to design something from scratch if a usable solution already existed.
This summer I visited Europe including Denmark and Germany these trains where fun to ride and there quirky design makes them fun to ride and look at
As a Dane i have been waiting for this review can't wait to see your thoughts
i'm half danish and was wondering if some danish train reviews would ever happened
@@XD-kw2nqthere has been another one of the ic4
@@bastianlind2008 huh must've missed it
I hope you enjoyed! :)
@@SuperalbsTravels specially ur sweden train vids were awsome
The sockets in the ceiling were never intended for passenger use. They are there for the vacuums used by the cleaning crew in the depot.
Yea, they were designed long before mobile phones became common.
No, they were designed for passenger use from the start, so you could plug in your fancy new laptops or recharge your PDA in 1990. Their placement was due to co-location with the existing electrical wiring in the baggage rack for the lighting. This was quite revolutionary at the time, as most trains, not to mention airplanes, had no power outlets onboard for passenger use.
There are outlets on some other trains that do use a special plug system that is exclusive to the train crews, intended for vacuuming and cleaning.
There where only one socket with a switch, when the trains where commissioned. It when changes to dual sockets when phone chargers became more popular.
Another great vlog from my favourite hunk-geek. It is so nice to be able to travel vicariously when I can't do it in person. Thankyou.
The IC3 does also couple with IR4, that is a 4 car electric version. But all Danish design and built. The power outlet, was a compromise to locate it over, since there was no real other place to place it. I've seen laptop chargers fall down onto people, but a extender cord does fix that. I've tried to drive the IR4, and it's a good train with many features for it's time. Still need to try the IC3 :)
Some of the IR4s (which I assume is the X31/X32 here) were built in Sweden, with the main difference being that they had a small kiosk.
@@TheSimon253 The X31/X32 aka Class ET is another type and has curves. IR4 is Class ER.
@@TheSimon253 No IR4s were built in Sweden, you are confusing it with the similar Öresund train.
@@qpox Clearly a superior type since it is not diesel and some are not built by Danes. 🇸🇪
IC4 trains are garbage compared to the IC3 and IR4 (electric version of IC3)
"Cheaper shops" he's talking about the good ole tradition of Ølviking: Norwegians raid Sweden, Swedes raid Denmark, and Danes raid Schleswig-Holstein while Icelanders wish flights were cheaper.
That's certainly true, but I know Danes who drive hours from Nordsjælland to Germany and Sweden just to buy snacks and clothes.
Hahahaha 😂😂😂
I don't mind the lack of onboard catering. I have never once bought any food or drinks on board a train, it is always way too expensive. I just bring my own food or buy something at a supermarket at or near a station.
100% - This weird obsession with having to buy food/drink on public transport, especially trains where there is no real luggage limit, is very odd.
even though they are over priced - it is nice to buy a coffee on a long journey
Yep. Onboard catering is a monumental waste of money (not just for the passenger, but the railway company running them at a loss) space, labor, and everything in between.
@@AlohaBiatch a trolley service at least doesn't use seat space!
i totally agree, it feels like childhood when drinking applejuice and haribo (i never really liked that candy but my mom liked it so we always had some on the train). But i feel like food on a plane is an exeption for me, it`s more rare and i like treating myself in the air.
9:49
the easy solution for cables is to route them by tucking them between the headrest and the headrest pillow which is attatched by velcro, you can even remove and adjust the pillow easily
I used to take the train from Cologne to Hamburg very often, then often change to the Danish train and travel via Puttgarden/Rødby to Copenhagen. I really liked the trains, they were/are comfortable and somehow everything slows down. But especially when the train pulled into the ferry and the boat crossing was always the highlight.
That shape is surprisingly good from an aerodynamic point of view. I remember seeing the results of test work in the 1970s using basic shapes from a rectangular block to a saloon car shape. The lowest drag was a rounded edge block or IC 3! Also the saloon cars now made by Audi etc. were also predicted in these tests, its just taken nearly fifty years for them to become acceptable.
The shape isn't very aerodynamic. Trapping so much air constitutes loads of pressure drag.
Excellent; informative and well researched,as always, thanks!
I think that those binbags started to show up in the late 80's, early 90's, when I worked for SJ cleaning carriages, it used to be metal bins before them, which slowed you right down as you had to check them all to see if they've been used or not, with these you could just walk pass, with a quick glance to your left and right....those were the days! 😉😊
We have trains with the same front in Belgium, the MS96 (Class 96). The rest of the design is wholly different though, hope you'll review them one day!
Another place for this type is Israel, but with better A/C.
afaik israel had some of DSB’s IC3 for a while, but doesn’t anymore
He already did: ua-cam.com/video/t7C-M2P2fT0/v-deo.html (albeit the AM96)
That's an old bad video. 😂
@@SebastianD334 They still exist 2 in Aarhus at Øm.
Before the bridge between sjælland and fyn, these trains would use rail-ferries to cross. I'm sure the flat front helped store them more compactly within the ships. Importantly they could be easily split into two to fit the whole length. Of course after the bridge this isn't a factor anymore.
I really like how much effort you put into pronouncing the names of towns and landscape!
I love your videos. You are always so positive about even regular stuff.
I like to enjoy my travels! :)
Anonther curious fact about the IC3 (DSB class MF) is that it can not only be coupled in multiple with other IC3s, but also with the IR4 (DSB class ER), which basically is the electric IC3, originally intended for regional trains on Sjælland, hence the R in the name. The diesel-mechanical IC3 and the electric IR4 can thus be coupled together and controlled as one train. I believe they are the only trains in the world capable of this.
Yes, that's a really cool feature. I went on a 17 car formation with both diesel and electric sets. :)
9:35 Pro tip: you can hang the wires around the coat hanger then it wont be in your face
I like your video :) really great produced
Great trip report
The Danish/Swedish X31 trains are similar. The seating layout is good. The class 158 were the product of a collaboration between the Danish design team and the Derby Railway Technical Centre.
Interesting, the 15 eights have a very high route availability, due to them being constructed, like the Danish counterparts from lightweight aluminium.
for those in doubt: The X31 is the one marketed as Øresundståg
@@mikkolukas They are a modern take on the BR Mark One stock, with half the seating in facing bays on either side of the window, and luggage space between seat backs. They would look good with the seats trimmed in a proper moquette, something like the original South West Trains "Timetable" pattern or "Bournemouth Blue". Seat fabrics on recent stock tend to be dire. Modern seating is more difficult to trim, due to its complex shape.
Danish border police are checking up due to extreme refugee flow, it has been like that for quite some time
That was originally the reason for the border control. Now the government just keeps coming up with new reasons for extending the “temporary” border control period
True, traveled from Hamburg to Copenhagen a few years ago and after the border check the train went from being full, to maybe just a third or a quarter because so many people tried entering the country illegally and were removed by the border patrol 🤔
Took us over an hour back then...
Even Germany itself recently introduced border checks to many of its neighbours (though they'll not check everyone's ID but only selectively)
Call them migrants. That’s what they are.
@@peterfireflylund uncontrollable flow of migrants, yep
as a dane, im very very proud of how you pronounces the stations many people cant do it as good as u KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK!!!
Being Danish this was especially interesting, of course. But as always interesting documentary and great pictures. Thank you! 🙂
Hi! Very good video, what I would really like to see in a video is the EC 172 going from Hamburg to Budapest.
The entire journey? 😅
@@SuperalbsTravels Well, it's up to you, but I can really recommend doing the entire journey because of the scenic ride near Dresden and Hungary. Also, the dining car is just perfect.
International train travel should be always viewed as an adventure. Then any delays or mishaps are easier to deal with
Nice that u covered Hamburg
Not strange looking to me since I grew up in Denmark and often travel from Copenhagen to Helsingør. Great video!!
11:40 The Schengen treaty allows for countries to reinstate border checks for a limited time in case of a threat to public safety. The Danish government just keeps redeclaring this threat over and over again for years, now. Although checks are very relaxed, it is a shame. That's not how a united Europe is supposed to work. 🙁
Yes it's a shame...so, so sad but, maybe - just maybe, even Denmark might reach the 21st century...💤💤
@@Jetmab04Just a tad bit offended at that. Denmark consistently ranks among the happiest countries in the world as well as many other factors I don't wanna fill up this comment with. We are by no means behind "everyone else". Except maybe the actual trains being quite old in some cases... I will say that there's a certain... approach to "unity" here in denmark I feel. We do enjoy working together but we don't enjoy being "bossed around". I think even with... Can't remember if it was NATO or UN (FN in danish) but while we don't have the option of voting on any nations we have the option of opting out or joining in on any we so choose. I do personally wish we were a bit more corroborative myself but the general consensus in my country seems to be that we'll work with, not for, the rest of Europe. I could go into a deep dive about Denmark's culture about unity and what not but suffice to say we (some) see it differently than how people like the original commenter does. The fact that you felt it necessary to shame us for not conforming to YOUR definition of unity kinda proves exactly why so many danes don't wanna be put in a situation where they can be forced into something
No, it's supposed to be a trade and industry confederation, not the federally governed monstrosity that the cunts in Brussels are trying to turn it into.
That's how we feel in the UK. Friendship is fine, a REICH is not. @@VitaeLibra
These trains are really stuffy and cramped when a lot of people are on board. They feel smaller than other trains. Glad they switched them out for regular German IC trainsets during peak season on the Hamburg - Copenhagen line.
I‘d have to agree with that. While the Danish IC3 sets a great, they are just not really made for huge crowds on super busy lines.
Many Danes have criticized the old IC carriages for feeling outdated and having a poor level of comfort, along with other issues like poor internet connectivity and often broken AC. They are not liked at all by danish travellers and have been ridiculed in the media.
They're good, but overworked. But an upgrade would be nice.
Arghhhhh I am watching your videos for years. It’s so cool to see my small hometown Wrist 6:32 in your video 😍
That is so cool! 🥰
its very interesting seeing some one cometing on the citys and towns that you live and travel around in.
I think these are my favourite European trains for comfort, top class (though like you, I find the plug socket placement....interesting!). Incidentally - I'm assuming this was filmed in 2021/early 2022? The full First catering offer is somewhat better, with a flask of hot water to make tea/coffee and a small snack offered once across the border into Denmark.
I suppose this is filmed in late summer 2020 when pandemic started required usage of face masks!
I took first class on the IC3 two weeks ago and was never offered any catering. There were _sometimes_ bottles of water available.
I have been on units whose exterior and structure are similar to these, in Belgium. The Belgian version is really nice.
I get on those quite often, they are pretty comfortable (when it's not too busy and decide to clean em properly) 😁
They were manufactured by the same people as the IC3
Superb videos ! 👍
Both the IC3 and the DB red trouble decker regional train are very common sights here in Israel (though the IC3 is quickly disappearing from most lines now that electrification is well underway). The IC3s even still have the DSB seats and chime!
Hi..... great video. I love the danish IC trains. I use them often. I work daily in the Danish Army Bordercontrol Unit, also called Gefion. Denmark is a member of the Schengen Area, which is a zone comprising 27 European countries that have abolished passport control at their mutual borders. However, countries in the Schengen Area are allowed to temporarily reintroduce border controls in specific circumstances. These circumstances typically involve security concerns, public order, or other exceptional situations.
Denmark, like some other Schengen member states, has at times implemented temporary border controls, particularly in response to security or migration-related issues. These measures are intended to be temporary and exceptional, with the ultimate goal of maintaining the overall security and functioning of the Schengen Area. But with the global high risk terror thread against Denmark, we have a permanent "temporary" bordercontrol. Eventhough we only have the borders to Germany, we still get lots of illegal persons on the border. Hope this helps to explain this to you.
Denmark also has a land border with Canada, but I doubt that it is being patrolled very often.
@@peterbakpetersen4942 Denmark only have a physical border with Germany. It is where Juttland goes into Schleswig Holstein. This is where I work. Than we have a bridge to Sweden. This is also a kind of physical border. Other than that, we only have borders to other countries over the ocean. The bordercontrolles here are made by the ferries in the harbours. These ferries goes to Sweden, Norway, Iceland, Ferroes Iselands and The UK. Other than that, we dont have borders with other countries. We ofcause have "borders" to all countries that have fights to Denmark. Here the Border Controlle is made in the airports. If you thing about our border to Canada from Greenland, there is no physical contact and no border crossing and no ferries. Sorry.
@@hfranke07 actually, since 14 June 2022, Greenland and Canada do share a land border, on the uninhabited Hans Island. Not "Denmark", but the Danish Realm at least, and definitely outside the Schengen Area
@@wtell4436 Ahhhh, yes I have heard of this.... they put up their flags and take the others flags down..... yes yes,- you are right. Thanks
It's a pity the border patrol people are so rude to foreigners
Train vending Maschine is stil cheaper then 7/11 in Denmark
I was lucky to find on sale an architectural magazine from the 90s which had an article about this train. There are a bunch of really interesting prototype pencil drawings about the chassis, the car, the air cushion.
I took this or a similar train from Hamburg to Copenhagen last year. Indeed everyone was so confused when it arrive at the platform. We didn't expect our 5-hour international journey to be in what looked like a subway train equipped to dig its own tunnels.
As earlier comments say, the IC5 has been delayed. This probably means the IC4 has to stay a bit longer. Perhaps DSB will buy the last Israeli IC3s. The Danish IC3s are being upgraded to support ETCS (that is why the Hamburg to Århus intercity is suspended), so it seems reasonable to upgrade the Israeli IC3s too and get them running on ETCS equipped tracks. There are quite a few by now.
The Israeli will never run in Denmark....purely for spares
Will the line from Fredericia to Aalborg be electrified?
@@gab_v250 That is still on. It is the line from Aalborg to Frederikshavn that was cut.
Sorry to disappoint you, but the Israeli IC3s have been discontinued from revenue service effective December 1st 2023.
I asked.
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I know. So they should be for sale soon.
DSB bought some earlier for spare parts, some of those might be in a runnable state as well.
I took this train on my Interrail trip to and from Copenhagen last year. So the cost wasn't that big a deal and I got a cheap seat reservation. I also was very pleased with the seat and comfort on the train. But the boarder checks were rather annoying especially in Covid times with different mask mandates..
The train is very popular and I'm looking forward to a reduction in journey time and hopefully increased capacity when the Fehmarnbelt tunnel opens.
As far as I know, at least on the Copenhagen line, the Danish rubber-nosed trains have recently been replaced by German IC trains.
But as someone who lives in the area and often has connections at Hamburg Hauptbahnhof, I have often seen these DSB trains and always wanted to ride one. I'm glad I still had the chance to try them out ;)
That's correct, the IC3 was due to be replaced by brand new Talgo carriages hauled by an electric locomotive, the delivery of these have however been delayed, so they are currently using IC1 carriages.
The route to Aarhus is partially non-electrified (due to be complete in a few years) so they still use IC3.
To further clarify, DSB has leased old Intercity Carriages from DB and are hauling them with a Vectron Electric Locomotive. DSB marketing has named these carriages “IC1”.
Love the videos, I was hoping to make a request going forward - when you tour the interior is there any chance you could make note of any wheelchair spaces that are avaliable?
I do try to, but sometimes filming them isn't possible (if they are occupied), and then I forget. :(
Wow Hamburg stations is a real royal Jewel. Art Nouveau splendor as I can tell. Funny looking First World Train, pretty practical and reliable though. Denmark looks fabulous, I love countries with a decided Progress Mentality, and it shows. Very pleasant ride, thanks...! 👍
For Explanation: they Do the Border Checks to see If anybody is Ilegally in the Country, and They Make sure that there is no National Searched Criminal On the Train.
Why do i know that? because i asked once 😊😊
Oh no the reason is so obvious and simple! And I wondered for years.
Awesome! :)
It's nice to see a train not being a total disaster on your channel. :)
I'm glad you mentioned the Danish minority, my partner is a part of that! He lives in Denmark now though and I travel on this train monthly when I go to visit him. It was interesting to watch and hear your thoughts on the journey. I love the IC3s, theyre some of the most comfy trains I’ve ever travelled on.
Interesting is that the IC (now a EuroCity!) between Hamburg and Copenhagen doesn’t stop after Padborg until Kolding, unlike the HamburgAarhus line
11:40 Denmark has an opt-out of the Area of Freedom, Security and Justice domain in the EU, which means that Denmark's membership of the Schengen area is a bilateral agreement unlike all other Schengen member states in the EU. Denmark has used this clause to have a "temporary border control" as a consequence of the 2015 immigration crisis.
So, so sad and unfortunately correct 😪!!
I thought every country had the right to introduce "temporary ID checks", Sweden still does this with trains from Denmark.
@@epender They do! Denmark must have taken that, and many other "rights" many many years ago as they still only use the very worst "rights" in order to punish as many innocent people as possible and, punish them/us to death 😰
The saying Holocaust-Denmark doesn't come from nothing - far from😱
PS: And this is not just from 2015 but, must have existed in DK since the place became a country.
Maybe the place can become a territory of North Korea and, the rest of us can begine to live a human life again - even on train-rides!!
Those window hammers are a good idea. But not in the UK. They are always stolen. When I was a Guard on Scotrail in the 80's, they were locked behind the emergency lever on Sprinters. You had to pull the lever to remove the hammer.
Guess how many times we were stopped before it was decided to remove them.
They are also getting stolen in Denmark all the time. I have always wondered what people are using all those window hammers for ...
I'm in this video!
You drove past me at 14:52!
It was quite a while ago, so I'm surprised to see myself AND that youtube even recommended this video to me.
Absolutely class video
Thank you so much! :)
Border checks at Padburg happen so frequently there for the same reason border checks happen near the German/Austrian border, the Austrian/Hungarian border and so forth: most illegal migrants from the middle east travel from country to country to where their relatives already are / the state pays them the most money.
You'll notice that at the German-Danish border only Danish checks are made. So the border checks are political in nature. Germany doesn't have them, Denmark and some other countries have.
@@jirrenno Checks are always when entering the country. German checks are when entering Germany from Austria.
@@jirrenno 1: Countries check ingoing but not outgoing traffic.
2: Very few illegal immigrants going that way. The only non-EU country in that direction is Norway.
@@jirrenno nonsens
Your German pronunciation is just adorable!
Thanks? 😅
@SuperalbsTravels
Your pronunciation really IS good! 😊
The compliments are well-deserved.
⭐️ 🥇 👍
It's not only his German. He seems to make a real, and from what I can tell successful, effort in ANY language of the places he's travelling to. I appreciate and admire it very much (well... as long as he isn't claiming to be able to do this effortlessly).
Thanks everyone! I definitely think it's worth the effort to get these names right (or at least as close as I can get). :)
Great video as always! 👍
I‘ve been on one of these iconic Danish trains a couple of years back; the journey was from Copenhagen to Hamburg, albeit along the famous “Vogelfluglinie“ across the southern Danish archipelago in the Baltic Sea, including a train ferry from Lolland island in Denmark to the island of Fehmarn in Germany. I was on first class back then, and, since the train left København Hovedbanegård in the morning, there was a complimentary breakfast served on board (a pretty basic but still quite decent Danish/German-style one with rolls and jams etc.). For the whole journey in 1. class, one could drink coffee or tea as well as mineral water for free.
I was able to get a special deal that day for the trip because DSB had something called “visit our neighbours“ or something like that back then, for trips into Sweden and Germany. Thanks to that, I only paid about €15 more than the regular price I would have paid in second class.
Overall, I really liked these weird-looking trains. I thought it was really comfortable, relatively quiet and also clean on board. And the ride on the train ferry was also quite interesting (it will disappear totally once the Fehmarn-Lolland tunnel will open).
The rain ferry already stopped 2 years ago. All trains between Denmark and Germany currently go via Jutland. The only surviving train ferry in Europe is the one going to Sicily.
Yeah, I know…
The Copenhagen-Hamburg line across the Danish islands is a huge construction site already and the tunnel has also been under construction. It was fun back then…but nothing lasts forever. The new lines will cut down travel times immensely once they are finished.
These trains were tested in Canada in the 1990s. As I recall, there was a problem with snow buildup in the stairs. When travelling from Copenhagen to Hamburg in 2001 I saw the decoupling feature for the ferry.
What a weird train a carriage with 81~82car and a weird rubber head cover😂
It is a strange thing. :)
@@SuperalbsTravels But smart!
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i'm heavily considering moving to germany for a variety of reasons and it's nice to know that there is a trainline that goes to denmark. so i can travel around scandinavia and the nordic countries easily.
I'll just say this - Rendsburg is a very lovely place to visit for a few hours. Did a day trip away from Hamburg and visited Flensburg and Rendsburg, totally worth it 😀
11:30 the border checks are due to Denmark being run by xenophobic populists. They run "spot checks" that are, in fact, constant. However, spot checks are allowed under the Schengen Treaty, unlike a regular border control like we are used to from other borders. It has been going on for at least half a decade now and was the first large instance of the Schengen treary being subverted like this as is now common on refugee routes.
Germany started checks of their own a couple years back as reciprocity, since German popular opinion is trending anti-migration as well.
Calling Denmark's Social Democrats, their ministers and coalition partners "xenophobic populists" is absurd hyperbole, especially when compared to other European countries and their right-wing populists. Yes, the Danish government has a restrictive stance on irregular migration - but that's not so much xenophobia as merely preserving social contract and a cohesive society. Running the generous welfare state that Denmark (or Sweden) currently do is simply unsustainable (over the long run), if you have open borders, the high current numbers and willingness of irregular migrants and as few practical means of deporting inadmissible ones, as EU countries currently have. Some countries or parties are just realising that sooner, others later - and adopting appropriate policies. With that, Denmark is an exception among (most attractive for irregular migrants) countries that has been able to buck the trend of rising right-wing populism in Europe.
Your pronunciation of "Aarhus" actually had me shocked. It was so good!
very nice scenery
yes 💞
Nice video! Best pronunciation I've heard in a YT train vidro of German and Danish (especially) keep practicing!
Thank you! Will do! :)
Reminds me of the dutch "Koploper" where the driver cab is on top, and there you can walk underneath the drivercab when they are joined
Nice and honest video 😊 One thing to note: If you plan well in advance, you'll often be able to grab a first class ticket for only around 100 kr more than second class. Do this! The line to Hamburg is currently being serviced by ye olde IC1, and there the difference between first and second class is so big it feels like two different trains. I went on a trip, and outbound I was in a very nice spacious compartment with soft and comfy seats. But because DB has messed up, I wasn't able to make my planned train on the journey back, and DSB could only get me a seat on second class on the next train. There, the seats were hard, the AC was all over the place, and it was really noisy. Definitely not as nice as the IC3.
fyi, Ud & Se, the dsb magazine, is great. good and intimate interviews with a soft touch!
In Belgium we're used to this view too. We have the Electric MS96 units who have the same sort of caps! Owned by national operator NMBS / SNCB
i was in the Hamburg station a couple of years ago, only thing i really remember was that it was very overcrowded
I have cleaned that train before, because of the number it had, I'm just glad it's easy and fast to clean, but the ic5 that always breaks down or the outlets don't work is the annoying one to clean because it's so long and take 2 hours 1 hour and 45 min if it's working lol
Nothing will beat the comfort and looks of the IC3, it's truly a good experience. 1st class travel is not needed at all.
The main reason for the design was that until the late 90's, the only way to leave Zealand (the Island where Copenhagen is located and about half of Denmarks population live) was by ferry, regardless of it being to the rest of the country, to Sweden or to Germany. This meant that the trains could travel coupled together on the busiest parts of the network creating more capacity and easily split up once they reached the ferry so all the units could fit onboard. Back then it was very common for one train to have several destinations so they left Copenhagen coupled together and then spilt up at the ferry and at cities like Fredericia and Aarhus, so that the units could serve the branch lines. It's still done today, but mainly on the InterCityLyn services. The regular InterCity services also feature "local coaches" on some services, mainly between Copenhagen and Esbjerg, where there's multiple units coupled together on the busiest part between Copenhagen and Odense, with usually only one unit continuing to Esbjerg.
Regarding the Danish population in Flensburg, Schleswig-Holstein actually used to belong to Denmark until 1864 when Denmark lost a war, then Southern Jutland came under German rule until 1920 when the current border was established. There's also a German minority living in Denmark
A fun little bit of trivia on the IC3 was that they briefly operated on Amtrak and VIA Rail in the US and Canada respectively in the 90s.
It was a trial to determine if multiple units would work well in North American service, Amtrak ultimately didn't want them since they struggled on steep hills (to which a Danish engineer when questioned about this simply said "We don't have hills in Denmark")
And VIA didn't want them, since they had less capacity (only one set ran in Canada) and were slower than the LRC sets running at the time, which is ironic as 180 Kph is faster than our current trains which can only do 145-160 in service, since our new 200 kph trains are held back by old speed limits and track conditions
Thanks a lot for the info Sir. I am on a journey to Denmark from India. I was indeed baffled by the unique front of some of the trains. Now I Know
Cool, glad to help you. :)
I caught the 3 car diesel version back in 1999 from Sweden to København with another railway workmate. We were amazed to see that the whole drivers desk and controls swung back too. There was also a children's play area at the end of one coach.
We were also lucky enough that the train ferry was still operating from Helsingborg to Helsingør. When the train left the ferry cars and cyclists were leaving alongside with no fence to separate them from the train.
Sad that the train ferriy has stopped now along with the Puttgarten to Rødby ferry, another one I was lucky to go on in 1996 with a loco hauled train.
Thanks for the tour.
I have been one of the persons responsible for repairing the "Next stop" displays and the small reserved displays at each seat, but weirdly enough only been on this train type 2 times in my life.
There is a IR4 version of this train that is electrically driven instead of diesel, but it is still possible to connect the trains up and run them in tandem if the route is electrified.
Question: Having been on this and the previous IC train design, I wonder if IC3 has kept the option to go electric by swapping out some of the undercarriage modules?
@@johndododoe1411 IR4 is 2 wagons long and IC3 is 3. The roof power, cooling system, fuel tanks, gearboxes and many other things are different. The IR4 might be low entrance hight I can not remember. I think they would rather rent a train then retrofit IC3 trains.
Service has deteriorated on this line. You once traveled to Copenhagen by Ferry upon which the train was loaded. It was a delightful respite from the long trip as passengers got to get off and enjoy the view. First class had seat side beverage service. There is no point in buying first class as there is no longer food and beverages served and as you say you still can't use the lounge. It is reserved for 1st class flex tickets only. This is ridiculous as most lounges are almost empty with food going to waste and coffee getting stale. Turning away guests while the lounge is empty-what is DB thinking? Last week we were put off the train at the border because the Engineer couldn't comm.unicate with the crew. We had to wait for an overcrowded local with little baggage space. I last rode the Copenhagen -Hamburg train in May and a crossing acccident shut down service. They left all the passengers out on an unprotected platform in the pouring rain for 2 hours and didn't tell us anything. It seems there is always a problem here.
Hey Albs, love these videos even though I am not a train guy.
Have you ever tried Tunisian trains? I used to travel regularly between Tunis and Sfax and while not the best carriages, I had a lot of interesting encounters. I think it was about a 4 hour journey with many stops (this was 10 years ago) and Sfax has some nice hotels and Tunis even nicer.
Disclaimer: I am not from the Tunisia tourist board, I just used to go there sometimes for work.
Tunisia is something I've looked at, hopefully next year or the one after? :)
Hey Albs! Great videos, Hamburg Hbf and its Wandelhalle are really amazing but always overcrowded. It was extra-insane when the five-Euro tickets were available back in 2022.
The next time you're in India, you should try out the Vistadome coaches on some trains that ply between Bengaluru and Mangaluru. These are dome cars with swivelling chairs and large windows (and windows on the roof as well). There's also an observation space at the back. The train gives you fantastic views of the Western Ghats rainforests, a UNESCO World Heritage site.
The Vistadome service is booked as an "Executive Chair Class" (ECC) ticket on 16515 Karwar Express, 16575 Gomateshwara Express or 16539 Mangaluru Jn. Weekly Express. Do take care to book this service from Bengaluru to Mangaluru to get the best views of the track and the many tunnels, as the observation car faces the locomotive on the reverse journey and is a bit of a let-down.
There is no meal service, only some vending machines that deplete quickly. Hawkers mostly don't enter the ECC coaches either. So you should probably get your food at a station with a long stop.
nice to see clean modern architecter and stations shame ik cant up there gain
When was this recorded? Denmark dropped masks in February 2022 (and never had them in summer anyway), while Germany got there in early 2023.
The electrification is scheduled to be finalised december 2026. As of now, all masts have been put up. Whats missing is some bridges and work around stations.
one thing about the 1st class section.
even when the train is overly full of people with loads of standing passengers 1st never gets standing people so you get to keep your calm and relative silent car unlike the rest that can get pretty congested
This train used to be very common in Israel from the late 80's the mid 2010's
Nowdays they aren't in service anymore and were replaced by the Viaggio Light by Siemens alongside the Bombardier Double-deck Coach
Is there a reservation fee with a Eurail Global pass such as France, Spain and Italy? Or can you just board? Like a German ICE train
In the summer season, you have to pay about €3 for a reservation. Otherwise, not required.
@@SuperalbsTravels Thanks....