The word "incomplete" does not apply to the Bible. The Bible does not give full detail on every aspect of every subect. Some of its teachings seem odd and out of place, while others incite deep curiosity and huge questions. But this does not mean it is incomplete. We have to remember who authored the Bible and the One who speaks through it. God revealed/reveals what He wants us to know about Himself through His Word. Saying the Bible is incomplete suggests that God wanted to write more to us, but didnt. But God didn't give us a broken gift. The Bible is complete and finished. It gives everything God wants us to know about Him (for now). And that's the purpose of the Bible. It is only when we look to the Bible to give us teaching on matters that it is not about, that we think it "incomplete".
Even mathematicians have the courage to own up to the fact that mathematics is incomplete. Don't be ignorant and accept that the Bible was compiled from many sources and is obviously prone to being incomplete. Question for you to answer if you want to disagree: Which translation is complete? Do you include the Apocrypha? If so, which books? And do you include the Book of Abraham? perhaps even the Book of Mormon, as that is yet another compilation, like the Old Testament, like the New Testament, of writings by Prophets about the coming of Christ, the life and death and resurrection of Christ? That being said... Yes, the Bible was preserved pretty well across time, and that is thanks to God. God has thankfully given us these scriptures, which are amazingly thorough and wonderful, and we can learn how Jesus saves us and all that good stuff. It is the Word of God, like you say, but why then do you claim the Bible to contain all of it? Is God's mouth closed? Is Jesus dead? Has revelation ceased? No to all of these questions. Pray and he will answer, Seek and ye shall find, Knock, and it will be opened unto you. If God seems absent, it will most likely be because you don't have faith. Don't discount revelation just because you don't receive any.
@@MrMaddict First, I appreciate your consideration of my initial comment and the time you took to compose your reply. You ask some big questions. Be assured, there are answers, but the answers I would give are squarely based on the authority of the Bible. The trouble is, "arguments from authority" only carry weight if the authority is respected. In truth, I am confused about your angle. I do not know how to address you. One of your feet is planted in a secular world-view, the other seems lightly placed on Christian faith. I have no desire to argue with you--not because I do not want to change your mind or help you grow, but because debates have an inverse relationship with the changing of minds. Faith does not germinate through argument; it comes ONLY as a gift from God. I would gladly discuss this further with you if you are earnestly seeking answers, but your tone conveyed more of a desire to persecute. If the latter, I take no offense, and have no ill will toward you.
@@MrMaddict If you would know what God means, you wouldn't ever doubt his Message for us. original comment is absolutely right, the Bible tells us everything we need to know. Your logic would mean that no book or anything else on earth is complete...
what's incomplete is if angels without flesh can abuse free will, then how will we not rebel in the future heaven? john walton's book on demons would suffice as an answer
You cannot have true love without free choice we had to have a choice in choosing God or not therefore the disobedient ones must exist to enable us to have choice
Not true. You don't choose God, He chooses you. God chose the elect before the beginning of time. Through Gods grace, those He predestined He calls. Those who are called are justified. Those who are justified are glorified. Romans 8:30-31 Amplified Bible (AMP) "And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. What then shall we say to all these things?" You don't get to choose God. He chooses you.
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir Paul seems to be emphasizing the idea that God's grace and mercy are at the heart of the Christian faith. Those whom God has predestined, he has also called to salvation, justified through faith in Jesus Christ, and ultimately glorified in heaven. This passage is often interpreted as a source of comfort and assurance for believers, reminding them of the steadfast love and faithfulness of God and the ultimate triumph of his plan of salvation.
Don’t get it twisted also, the fact that God still created satan even after knowing how much evil Lucifer would commit is because the all knowing God also knew that he would provide all tools necessary to defeat evil ❤ Jesus is the answer for defeating satan
We tend to anthropomorphize God and talk about Him as caring, loving, and forgiving, or sometimes also wrathful. We use all those adjectives that we describe humans with, also to describe God. The idea of God having desires or issuing commands is as well an anthropomorphic misunderstanding. The stories in the Bible are written by humans, so they contain human biases and limitations. The writers try to explain God's rules with human language, logic, and morals so that it makes sense to the reader and themselves. But because God is eternal, all-powerful, and not limited by any natural laws, He is indifferent about us as He, in a way, is those natural laws He created which are as well indifferent about us. So "Good" and "evil" are not absolute concepts decreed by God. Instead, they are relative terms that humans use to describe what is beneficial or harmful to them. That does not mean that it doesn't matter if we do evil or good, because it clearly does, as our actions as free men and women have an effect on our lives and the society we live in. It just means that God Himself is indifferent about human decisions, actions and their consequences, so also their suffering. This perspective extends to other religious concepts as well. Heaven and hell can be seen rather symbolically and not as literal locations. 'Heaven' might represent a state of intellectual and emotional fulfillment, achieved through understanding the nature of reality, while 'Hell' could symbolize a state of confusion, ignorance, or bondage to passions and inadequate ideas, that leads to suffering in oneself or others. Furthermore, if we consider God as the totality of natural laws, then God's 'plan' was already fulfilled at the moment of creation. The universe, including humanity with their free will, simply unfolds according to these established natural laws. Our existence and experiences are the result of complex interactions within this system, rather than the product of continual divine intervention or planning.
Parable of wheat and tares (weeds). As a result, true believers (wheat) and fake believers (tares) grow alongside one another in this world waiting for the day of the harvest, when the Lord will separate the believers from the non-believers, condemning the non-believers to Hell (the lake of fire in Revelation), while gathering the believers into His Heaven. God knew who the wheat (the elect/chosen ones) would be before the beginning of time. He predestined them).
God created love. All else is an illusion including separation from others. We make up evil and return to love through forgiveness, the temporary solution to evil.
If God gives you a choice and you choose evil and he goes back in time to not create you did you ever have free will to begin with? And also he wont do that because he is faithful to keep his word, so his only option is to double down provide the grate gift of salvation and ask you again to choose.
Life is a test, the devil is the wrong choice on the multiple choice sheet, if the only option is the correct one you don't need to learn anything and you remain ignorant.
🤷🏻 I don’t understand why there’s a lot of ignorant people that they ask stupid questions for example where God came from How God looks like how God do this and do that why he don’t do this why he didn’t do that? to the ignorant people, you can’t ask these questions these questions it belongs only to the God who created us and created you. You’ll never find the answer. Maybe if you do and enter heaven, then you can ask God whatever you want. 🙄
Don’t be so quick to discard these folk as ignorant. Curiosity is only a vice under the guise of hubris. Curiosity in the context of childlike longing to understand the love of the universe is admirable. It’s okay to ask difficult questions about God if in doing so it builds one’s faith.
wouldn't that be false ? based on the belief that your only choices are heaven and hell biblically. that's coercion if i'm forced to pick a decision because i fear consequence.
We actually don't have free will according to the bible and God has a predetermined group of people he shows grace to and Jesus said nobody can come to him unless it is given to him by the father. Of all that the father gives him he should lose none and all that the father gives him will come to him. That shows that nobody that God has predestined to believe will perish without believing and of everyone that perishes without believing in God was not ordained to eternal life. We don't have free will and Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world meaning everything was orchestrated by God before the world even began.
@@KT-et5vn do you understand that if man has no will of his own then all the evil sin and death is caused by God himself. And so their for how can we be justly judged. Not only that but that would mean that God is divided against himself, on one hand he hates evil and on the other he is its cause. Free will means a we have a will independent of Gods
That's an oxymoron. God knows Everything. He knows the options of possibilities people can choose as well. As shown when David asks God if he stays in the city will the people hand him over to Saul? God said yes. This David left and the city never had that opportunity to hand him over...
@@ajack4605 yes I agree but that’s not what I said… look at how I worded it, I said can’t know something is actually going to happen unless it is actually going to happen, otherwise it’s not what is going to happen? See how it can’t contradict itself and is the opposite of an oxymoron. It excludes what is a possibility and only includes what absolutely will be. Because it’s not going to actually happen unless it’s going to happen. I didn’t say he can’t see a possibility unless it’s actually going to happen… however I believe that that might be true, because I believe he is not limited and is the absolute truth. I think that was our perspective of God giving humans an option to obey even though he knew which one would happen. Otherwise he wouldn’t be able to know Jesus would be crucified before the foundation of the world. Right? I was careful with my words. God doesn’t think or know in probabilities like we limited humans… he knows. He might show us limited possibilities but what is is, he is I am. He knows what it and what will be in actuality.
@@jayset9136 so you think the mind of God wastes time imagining things that will never happen? That’s anxiety, not the spirit of truth. Also I worded it a specific way. I said if it’s something that is going to happen he can see it. He’s not limited like us. Yes there is choice and justice but he sees what will happen and doesn’t need to see anything else because it doesn’t exist and never will. A thousand years to him is like a day and vise versa. He’s not a man that he should lie. Wouldn’t seeing a possibility that never happens be a lie? He speaks, it happens, he watches over his word to perform it. His thoughts are not our thoughts. So far above are his thoughts. He is not limited and I won’t limit him. It sounds limiting to say he can’t see possibilities doesn’t it? But it’s the opposite. We work in probabilities and possibilities but what does the scripture say? It says for I know the thought/plans I have for you of good and not of evil to give you an expected end. That’s not probability, that’s knowing God and his ways. Yes he gives us choice between life and death and says choose life but he also knew Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the world
So God knew that the angel would turn evil and mislead humanity and he knew he’d have send his Son to dies for the sinners and that Jesus would try to convince people to repent but at the same time he already knows who is gonna repent and who isn’t. He knew you’d make this video and that I’d write this comment? He knows our destiny? If everything I do is predisposed to happen then nothing I do matters.
But the thing is God gave all of us free will, you are not pre-dispositioned to do anything. You have always had the ability to choose your own path, and if that path is to include separation from God for whatever reason then that's how it will be when you die.
How on earth do you come to the conclusion that just because God knows what you will do makes things meaningless? Your still the one responsible for your decisions, you are the one who makes them not God and the fact that he knows the future does not in any way change or effect your decision.
@@vladshevchuk8508 If he knew what was going to happen wouldn’t that make him just as evil? If you know your kid will fall from a bridge and bust his head open and there will be brains all over the place what will you do? Prevent it from happening right? Because that is not only your responsibility as a good father but love would impulse to protect your kid. If you don’t then you are a bad irresponsible evil person.
@@jair8808God literally sent Jesus to die for your sins, so He in fact DID do something to prevent it… it’s just since people are essentially like God Himself- having free will and the understanding of good and evil- humans choose to not accept what God has tried to prevent. God has made the provisions and solutions and answers to this. I think in the grand scheme of wisdom (and I will say that loosely because we do hit have a concept of eternity or being wiser than God), the only thing you could “possibly blame or question” God for is why did he create satan and why did he create certain people knowing they would go against Him. That’s about it… but even with that, with eternal wisdom, can we really question God for that?
There is no good without evil, if evil didn’t exist then good wouldn’t either. Light exists because there is darkness and darkness is the default state of reality without god.
Satan wears a hooded robe made of ashes with a firey fringe his face was pitch black darkness emploding in on itself like falling down a bottomless pit.
The word "incomplete" does not apply to the Bible. The Bible does not give full detail on every aspect of every subect. Some of its teachings seem odd and out of place, while others incite deep curiosity and huge questions. But this does not mean it is incomplete.
We have to remember who authored the Bible and the One who speaks through it. God revealed/reveals what He wants us to know about Himself through His Word. Saying the Bible is incomplete suggests that God wanted to write more to us, but didnt. But God didn't give us a broken gift.
The Bible is complete and finished. It gives everything God wants us to know about Him (for now). And that's the purpose of the Bible. It is only when we look to the Bible to give us teaching on matters that it is not about, that we think it "incomplete".
Even mathematicians have the courage to own up to the fact that mathematics is incomplete. Don't be ignorant and accept that the Bible was compiled from many sources and is obviously prone to being incomplete.
Question for you to answer if you want to disagree: Which translation is complete? Do you include the Apocrypha? If so, which books? And do you include the Book of Abraham? perhaps even the Book of Mormon, as that is yet another compilation, like the Old Testament, like the New Testament, of writings by Prophets about the coming of Christ, the life and death and resurrection of Christ?
That being said...
Yes, the Bible was preserved pretty well across time, and that is thanks to God. God has thankfully given us these scriptures, which are amazingly thorough and wonderful, and we can learn how Jesus saves us and all that good stuff.
It is the Word of God, like you say, but why then do you claim the Bible to contain all of it? Is God's mouth closed? Is Jesus dead? Has revelation ceased? No to all of these questions. Pray and he will answer, Seek and ye shall find, Knock, and it will be opened unto you.
If God seems absent, it will most likely be because you don't have faith. Don't discount revelation just because you don't receive any.
God have mercy, why do you tend to mix things up,?@@MrMaddict
@@MrMaddict First, I appreciate your consideration of my initial comment and the time you took to compose your reply.
You ask some big questions. Be assured, there are answers, but the answers I would give are squarely based on the authority of the Bible. The trouble is, "arguments from authority" only carry weight if the authority is respected. In truth, I am confused about your angle. I do not know how to address you. One of your feet is planted in a secular world-view, the other seems lightly placed on Christian faith.
I have no desire to argue with you--not because I do not want to change your mind or help you grow, but because debates have an inverse relationship with the changing of minds. Faith does not germinate through argument; it comes ONLY as a gift from God. I would gladly discuss this further with you if you are earnestly seeking answers, but your tone conveyed more of a desire to persecute. If the latter, I take no offense, and have no ill will toward you.
@@MrMaddict If you would know what God means, you wouldn't ever doubt his Message for us. original comment is absolutely right, the Bible tells us everything we need to know.
Your logic would mean that no book or anything else on earth is complete...
what's incomplete is if angels without flesh can abuse free will, then how will we not rebel in the future heaven? john walton's book on demons would suffice as an answer
You cannot have true love without free choice we had to have a choice in choosing God or not therefore the disobedient ones must exist to enable us to have choice
without dark the can be no light
Not true. You don't choose God, He chooses you. God chose the elect before the beginning of time. Through Gods grace, those He predestined He calls. Those who are called are justified. Those who are justified are glorified.
Romans 8:30-31 Amplified Bible (AMP)
"And those whom He predestined, He also called; and those whom He called, He also justified [declared free of the guilt of sin]; and those whom He justified, He also glorified [raising them to a heavenly dignity]. What then shall we say to all these things?"
You don't get to choose God. He chooses you.
@@JohnSmith-zo6ir Paul seems to be emphasizing the idea that God's grace and mercy are at the heart of the Christian faith. Those whom God has predestined, he has also called to salvation, justified through faith in Jesus Christ, and ultimately glorified in heaven. This passage is often interpreted as a source of comfort and assurance for believers, reminding them of the steadfast love and faithfulness of God and the ultimate triumph of his plan of salvation.
@@mgntstr 👍🙏
Would you say that agencey is different to free will?
Don’t get it twisted also, the fact that God still created satan even after knowing how much evil Lucifer would commit is because the all knowing God also knew that he would provide all tools necessary to defeat evil ❤ Jesus is the answer for defeating satan
We tend to anthropomorphize God and talk about Him as caring, loving, and forgiving, or sometimes also wrathful. We use all those adjectives that we describe humans with, also to describe God. The idea of God having desires or issuing commands is as well an anthropomorphic misunderstanding. The stories in the Bible are written by humans, so they contain human biases and limitations. The writers try to explain God's rules with human language, logic, and morals so that it makes sense to the reader and themselves. But because God is eternal, all-powerful, and not limited by any natural laws, He is indifferent about us as He, in a way, is those natural laws He created which are as well indifferent about us. So "Good" and "evil" are not absolute concepts decreed by God. Instead, they are relative terms that humans use to describe what is beneficial or harmful to them. That does not mean that it doesn't matter if we do evil or good, because it clearly does, as our actions as free men and women have an effect on our lives and the society we live in. It just means that God Himself is indifferent about human decisions, actions and their consequences, so also their suffering.
This perspective extends to other religious concepts as well. Heaven and hell can be seen rather symbolically and not as literal locations. 'Heaven' might represent a state of intellectual and emotional fulfillment, achieved through understanding the nature of reality, while 'Hell' could symbolize a state of confusion, ignorance, or bondage to passions and inadequate ideas, that leads to suffering in oneself or others.
Furthermore, if we consider God as the totality of natural laws, then God's 'plan' was already fulfilled at the moment of creation. The universe, including humanity with their free will, simply unfolds according to these established natural laws. Our existence and experiences are the result of complex interactions within this system, rather than the product of continual divine intervention or planning.
Why not just avoid Satan completely? Why make him if he know this was going to be the cause and effect?
Parable of wheat and tares (weeds). As a result, true believers (wheat) and fake believers (tares) grow alongside one another in this world waiting for the day of the harvest, when the Lord will separate the believers from the non-believers, condemning the non-believers to Hell (the lake of fire in Revelation), while gathering the believers into His Heaven. God knew who the wheat (the elect/chosen ones) would be before the beginning of time. He predestined them).
God created love. All else is an illusion including separation from others. We make up evil and return to love through forgiveness, the temporary solution to evil.
If God gives you a choice and you choose evil and he goes back in time to not create you did you ever have free will to begin with? And also he wont do that because he is faithful to keep his word, so his only option is to double down provide the grate gift of salvation and ask you again to choose.
Life is a test, the devil is the wrong choice on the multiple choice sheet, if the only option is the correct one you don't need to learn anything and you remain ignorant.
🤷🏻 I don’t understand why there’s a lot of ignorant people that they ask stupid questions for example where God came from How God looks like how God do this and do that why he don’t do this why he didn’t do that? to the ignorant people, you can’t ask these questions these questions it belongs only to the God who created us and created you. You’ll never find the answer. Maybe if you do and enter heaven, then you can ask God whatever you want. 🙄
Don’t be so quick to discard these folk as ignorant. Curiosity is only a vice under the guise of hubris. Curiosity in the context of childlike longing to understand the love of the universe is admirable. It’s okay to ask difficult questions about God if in doing so it builds one’s faith.
Because of love and free will.
wouldn't that be false ? based on the belief that your only choices are heaven and hell biblically. that's coercion if i'm forced to pick a decision because i fear consequence.
@@ShboobiiYour actually not forced you are asked and pleaded with but never forced or even manipulated you choice simply has consequences.
Like a mobster saying "nice house, shame if something would happen to it".
We actually don't have free will according to the bible and God has a predetermined group of people he shows grace to and Jesus said nobody can come to him unless it is given to him by the father. Of all that the father gives him he should lose none and all that the father gives him will come to him. That shows that nobody that God has predestined to believe will perish without believing and of everyone that perishes without believing in God was not ordained to eternal life. We don't have free will and Jesus was the lamb slain from the foundation of the world meaning everything was orchestrated by God before the world even began.
@@KT-et5vn do you understand that if man has no will of his own then all the evil sin and death is caused by God himself. And so their for how can we be justly judged. Not only that but that would mean that God is divided against himself, on one hand he hates evil and on the other he is its cause.
Free will means a we have a will independent of Gods
God can’t know something is going to happen unless it’s going to happen
That's an oxymoron. God knows Everything. He knows the options of possibilities people can choose as well. As shown when David asks God if he stays in the city will the people hand him over to Saul? God said yes. This David left and the city never had that opportunity to hand him over...
If He can't then He's not God
@@ajack4605 yes I agree but that’s not what I said… look at how I worded it, I said can’t know something is actually going to happen unless it is actually going to happen, otherwise it’s not what is going to happen? See how it can’t contradict itself and is the opposite of an oxymoron. It excludes what is a possibility and only includes what absolutely will be. Because it’s not going to actually happen unless it’s going to happen. I didn’t say he can’t see a possibility unless it’s actually going to happen… however I believe that that might be true, because I believe he is not limited and is the absolute truth. I think that was our perspective of God giving humans an option to obey even though he knew which one would happen. Otherwise he wouldn’t be able to know Jesus would be crucified before the foundation of the world. Right? I was careful with my words. God doesn’t think or know in probabilities like we limited humans… he knows. He might show us limited possibilities but what is is, he is I am. He knows what it and what will be in actuality.
@@jayset9136 so you think the mind of God wastes time imagining things that will never happen? That’s anxiety, not the spirit of truth. Also I worded it a specific way. I said if it’s something that is going to happen he can see it. He’s not limited like us. Yes there is choice and justice but he sees what will happen and doesn’t need to see anything else because it doesn’t exist and never will. A thousand years to him is like a day and vise versa. He’s not a man that he should lie. Wouldn’t seeing a possibility that never happens be a lie? He speaks, it happens, he watches over his word to perform it. His thoughts are not our thoughts. So far above are his thoughts. He is not limited and I won’t limit him. It sounds limiting to say he can’t see possibilities doesn’t it? But it’s the opposite. We work in probabilities and possibilities but what does the scripture say? It says for I know the thought/plans I have for you of good and not of evil to give you an expected end. That’s not probability, that’s knowing God and his ways. Yes he gives us choice between life and death and says choose life but he also knew Jesus was crucified before the foundation of the world
1 min they say angels dont have a freewill next min they say they do so which one is it?
We must use our freewill to return to God's will.
Since when did anyone say they didn’t have free will?
The bible never said they don’t have free will. Though it does say something about them created to be ministers of God.
Satan had free will obviously he chose wrong.
@@rickcampanella4254 Satan is a symbol of our carnal mind. We also have the mind of Christ.
BEST VID ON SATAN I'VE SEEN
So God knew that the angel would turn evil and mislead humanity and he knew he’d have send his Son to dies for the sinners and that Jesus would try to convince people to repent but at the same time he already knows who is gonna repent and who isn’t. He knew you’d make this video and that I’d write this comment? He knows our destiny? If everything I do is predisposed to happen then nothing I do matters.
But the thing is God gave all of us free will, you are not pre-dispositioned to do anything. You have always had the ability to choose your own path, and if that path is to include separation from God for whatever reason then that's how it will be when you die.
@@USMC517 my point still stands because the video says the opposite.
How on earth do you come to the conclusion that just because God knows what you will do makes things meaningless?
Your still the one responsible for your decisions, you are the one who makes them not God and the fact that he knows the future does not in any way change or effect your decision.
@@vladshevchuk8508 If he knew what was going to happen wouldn’t that make him just as evil? If you know your kid will fall from a bridge and bust his head open and there will be brains all over the place what will you do? Prevent it from happening right? Because that is not only your responsibility as a good father but love would impulse to protect your kid. If you don’t then you are a bad irresponsible evil person.
@@jair8808God literally sent Jesus to die for your sins, so He in fact DID do something to prevent it… it’s just since people are essentially like God Himself- having free will and the understanding of good and evil- humans choose to not accept what God has tried to prevent. God has made the provisions and solutions and answers to this.
I think in the grand scheme of wisdom (and I will say that loosely because we do hit have a concept of eternity or being wiser than God), the only thing you could “possibly blame or question” God for is why did he create satan and why did he create certain people knowing they would go against Him. That’s about it… but even with that, with eternal wisdom, can we really question God for that?
There is no good without evil, if evil didn’t exist then good wouldn’t either. Light exists because there is darkness and darkness is the default state of reality without god.
In short: fuck if i know
Islam is the true religion, Alhamdulillah
Did you just say the Bible was “incomplete?” Very, very unfortunate choice of words.
Why question God?
Question the person talking about God
because there is no god people...do your research on the annunaki
Misleading
Nope
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@jameshanna6875 umm yes he does...what makes you say tht?
Why would he save the beast. Its judas rising from hell. Saudi prince is Judas in human form @LOVERGIIRL23
@@LOVERGIIRL23 Rev 20:10
Tell me you don’t read the Bible without telling me you don’t read the Bible
Wrong
Satan is a creation of the human imagination
I disagree
Dead atheists would disagree.
Satan wears a hooded robe made of ashes with a firey fringe his face was pitch black darkness emploding in on itself like falling down a bottomless pit.
@@rickcampanella4254Sauron wears black spiky armor and wields a mace