Nothing forced. interiority, musicality, articulation of movement, edge quality. Everything in a league of their own and this isn’t even their best performance of this program.
The best dancers on the ice !!! Congratulations to Gaby and Guillaume on deserved victory! Congratulations to all the fans of this amazing couple! So they can only dance heartfeltly..... 👏👏👏
Could the Canadians commenters be any more biased. This is ART on ICE😄 moir and Tessa are more acrobatic, don’t get me wrong, I love these two performances, and honestly gaby and gilliaume have more technical components and g/c are fantastic, so beautiful poetry on ice ❤️
Lol they really think that skating Moonlight sonata is easier. OMG, it seems easy BECAUSE P/C have the skating skills for that. We don't see the effort, the element, they're floating. It's like when i see Federer playing. Tennis seems very easy. But we know it's not easy.
Soon as they touch the ice...they’re already in the zone. They’re focused on each other like they’re the last 2 on earth. They skate like it’s the Olympics...every time. Mirrored timing..precise musicality..they use every single note.. ...and INTENSE EMOTION!!...’nuff said. My eyes burn bc I didn’t realize I had stopped blinking.
Baffles me that some believe Gabi and Guillaume's style of skating is "easier". Then why have we seen 3 consecutive seasons of so many top skaters skating to lyrical pieces imitating them but not even nearing their effects? Tessa & Scott of course have talents that surpass Gabi & Guillaume but it goes both ways. Both teams utilize what is best suited for them. This season, Gabi & Guillaume's program is more successful in portraying their strengths than Tessa & Scott's does for them.
Agreed. Also this comment is beyond silly: "It is easier to connect to the audience and judges with that than characters like in Roxanne." Seriously? You are portraying a worldwide known, loved, numerously used soundtrack and characters and it's "easier" to connect with Beethoven?
Thank you. Since I posted that 9 months ago, I've seen A LOT of ice dance couples use similar moves to Papadakis and Cizeron. i was very new to ice dance back then and didn't know the difference.@@icedancefan49
It's beginning to become ridiculous how biased the Canadian commentators are. I spent a decade listening to them put down Davis & White (in favor of their precious V/M) (and, BTW, Davis and White came up with memorable, totally different programs, especially their FDs, every single year: from 'Samson and Delilah' to 'Die Fledermaus' and everything inbetween -- and beat V/M in five straight Grand Prix Finals and two World Championships). All they did when D/W skated four flawless programs at the 2014 Olympics was point out the elements; not one word of praise. I always thought V/M were quite clunky and often trying too hard and "putting on their characters" way too hard, but that's just my opinion. When they say here that V/M could do the "easier" FD of P/C, that's just wrong: P/C make it "look" easy, but their skating skills are so superior that they only make it look easy (as Ben Agosto, Charlie White, and a couple of British Eurosport announcers have said); the edging of their blades, soft knees, honest connection with each other -- the way they are always looking at each other, touching each other, which goes way back to when they were teenagers, is just ingrained and 'real', as B. Agosto & C. White mentioned in separate commentaries at the Internationaux de France and 2017 CoC. If Kurt and Carol think that P/C cannot do 'Roxanne' or anything edgy or contemporary, they're wrong; all they have to do is look at their 2013-14 TEB program and some of their gala skates (to Beyonce this year). P/C can make it look as though they're flying and floating (which takes even more work and skill -- as a musician and lover of all kinds of dance, I know how much more difficult "slow with moments of quiet but perfect" is; but they were also hitting all the rhythms hard/sharp and right to the music in their new SD. Even the Russian, Italian, and Spanish commentators have raved about P/C (as they did about Davis & White) in the last few years.
Perfectly said. The goal of a true artist is to never allow the work to be visible. It should always appear effortless. With V&M, we see all the individual working parts that never seem to gel into a whole. V&M put on characters removed from who they are and put on a performance. P&C go out there as themselves, completely vulnerable, and show us their hearts. That's what endears people to them instantly, especially in a FD like Moonlight Sonata. V&M give us a performance. P&C give us an experience. That's why, unlike V&M, we find ourselves thinking about P&C's dances after the performance and the next day, because they make us feel, they take us on the journey with them by inviting us to share in it with them. Someone said, people will forget what you did, they'll forget what you said, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. That's why we love P&C, because we never see the work and just feel the experience. I agree on D&W. The Canadian press' treatment of them was outrageously unprofessional. It seems whenever V&M win, it's all about the technical elements but when they lose...well, it's just a matter of personal preference with the judges. They tried to delegitimize D&W's wins over V&M this way, and they're trying the same thing with P&C. Perhaps the worst of all was how V&M went on the talk show circuit after Sochi blaming everyone and everything for the outcome except themselves and their performance. They blamed Zueva for not giving them enough attention (although that didn't seem to be a problem when they won in Vancouver). Watch their interview on Strombo in Canada. He asks them whether they think "the fix" was in for D&W at the Olympics. Instead of saying, No and taking some personal responsibility, they stutter, look at each other, roll their eyes and use various body language that clearly telegraphs that they believe they lost because of cheating by the Americans--with zero proof, mind you. Never mind that D&W had beaten them in every competition for two years leading up to Sochi. They did this in interview after interview. Just classless and unprofessional, trying to taint the glorious win of D&W. That's when I lost respect for them as people. After Vancouver, D&W only spoke well of V&M. V&M present a wholesome image on camera, but they are arrogant winners, poor losers and vicious behind the scenes. It's so arrogant to even imply that the ONLY way they could EVER lose is if cheating is involved because well, even on their worst day, V&M are just better than every one. Ugh. You can see they just expect to win every time, regardless of their performance, and that's what makes them arrogant and unwatchable for me.
icowless, Wow! What a spectacular, perceptive, articulate, well-written reply! Thank you so much. I usually get negative replies to anything I post on UA-cam, so I've stopped posting anything. But I was just annoyed beyond anything (to the media creating a 'fight' between the two top teams and to CBC and some British Eurosport announcers, who are supposed to be non-biased outloud on the air, saying, "But, V/M are so much better..." No, they're not, and never have been. I never, ever expected a reply from anyone who agreed with me about Papadakis & Cizeron, and who agreed with me about Davis & White (classiness-personified, as well as beautiful story-tellers in all their varied skating programs -- completely different from P/C, which is wonderful, but always creating skill, a connection -- which the media always downplayed -- and superb storytelling). I was also a huge Torvill and Dean fan (back in the days when one had to turn "professional" to show off their creativity). I didn't want to say anything negative about V/M, but you nailed it, exactly as I experienced them (both on and off the ice). Thank you so much for your perceptive and exquisite written reply.
lauramartha3: You're very welcome. The V&M crowd are very good at shouting down anyone who opposes their team, even when they present themselves respectfully and honestly, and V&M don't deserve to win. It doesn't matter to them. Only the Russians can rival the Canadians in their bias and backroom dealing when it comes to sports, but especially figure skating. I have a theory as to where this comes from, at least for Canada. Although Japan/Asia is seeing a golden age of figure skating right now similar to the U.S. from the 80's to the early 2000's, it's been the U.S. Canada and Russia that have dominated the modern era of skating (1970 to present), and the U.S. since the 40's. Of these three nations, Canada is definitely a distant #3. The Olympic gold medals they've won in skating can be counted on one hand, and no Canadian man has ever won Olympic gold. I believe there's only been one ladies single skater take gold, as well. Because of this, Canada always feels like the bride's maid in the shadow of the U.S. with lots of sliver and bronze medals, but almost never gold. Canada has no one to compare to the greats of the sport. They have no counterpart for a Boitano, Hamill, Fleming, Lipinski, Hughes, Hamilton, Kulik, Yagudin, Gordeeva & Grinkov, and others. They feel that void, and it creates a HUGE inferiority complex for them that leaves a BIG chip on their shoulder. Because of this, they feel the need to push to get their skaters more World and Olympic victories, often by any means necessary. The consistent over-scoring of V&M for nearly their entire career is proof of this, especially when Scott can nearly fall at Worlds 2017 and they still win. He stumbled in the FD at the Grand Prix Final too, (the Eurosport commentator gasped when he saw it) and somehow it didn't matter. P&C should have won by an even larger margin. I find it very interesting that V&M always seem to earn a new world record when on home ice, as in Vancouver and always at Skate Canada. Yet, D&W earned their world records, including at Sochi, on neutral ice, as have P&C this year on neutral ice in China and Japan. Another classic example of Canadian collusion behind the scenes is the making of Patrick Chan. There's a reason the skating community coined the term Chanflation under their breath between 2010-2014. Not since the days of the old 6.0 system and eastern communist block judging schemes have I seen a more blatant and concerted effort by the judges and one nation to ensure a particular skater won the Olympics, as I have with Chan. His PCS had more padding than a cell at Bellevue Mental Hospital. He could fall three times and downgrade a fourth jump and STILL win time and time again, just as he did at Worlds 2013...and those were just his mistakes in the LP. His wins were constantly explained away by the "quality of his edges" and "skating skills". Give me a break. I wish I had a dollar for every time Canadian, Tracy Wilson described his flopping all over the ice as "exquisite". I could quite my job. Clearly, they were building him up for the win in Sochi. Of his three world championships, only his 2011 victory wasn't controversial. Takahashi should have won in 2012 and Denis Ten should have won in 2013. Many people felt that, but we're dealing with Canada. He also blew three jumps, downgraded a fourth and had many other shaky landings in Sochi, but the ONLY reason he did not win, even with that dismal performance, is because Hanyu's SP was phenomenal, while Chan blew his axle (as usual). That's what won Hanyu his gold, his SP. Hanyu totally deserved his gold and yet, I'm STILL stunned today that Chan did not win in Sochi, not because he deserved to, but because the collusion campaign behind him was SO strong for years, as with V&M. I was so glad to see good and truth win out. Like V&M, who've referred to themselves as "elite" and "the best" in the past, Chan has done the same thing, while blaming his blowouts on everything from the quality of the ice to the skycams overhead. I even read with my own eyes an interview with Chan in the Toronto Star where he actually said after yet another controversial victory, "I'm glad the judges want me to win". I don't know what they put in the water up there in Canada, but their skaters always tend to be cocky and arrogant like V&M, Chan, Stojko (who disparaged Evan Lysacek when he won gold in Vancouver without a quad--never mind that in the two Olympics where Stojko was a legitimate contender 94 & 98, he never even attempted one) and even Kurt Browning was full of himself back in the day. I never liked him because of that. As I said, the chip on the shoulder. Even he had a lot of "gimme" victories during his career. Go back and watch Browning skate in his amateur career. He's highly inconsistent and over-rated. Somehow, he could pull it together for Worlds, but he always struggled badly through the rest of the season. He's definitely not in my book of greats. Now, here we are with the crusade to get V&M Olympic gold again, just so they can say, they're the ONLY dance team to get two gold medals and claim the title of "most decorated dance team ever!". Tracy Wilson has already used that terminology to describe them. Anything to set a Canadian skater apart so they can be included with the true greats of the sport...yes, they'll resort to anything, even embarrassingly biased commentary. As you said, when D&W began to defeat V&M, the regular explanation of the Canadian commentators was always, "Oh, they've improved SO much". As if they didn't know how to skate before. The truth is that D&W were ALWAYS better than V&M, and so are P&C. D&W will always be my favorite (Notre Dame and Scheherazade, especially) but P&C are a close second. I consider their Moonlight Sonata on par with my favorite D&W routines. It's D&W and P&C that have pushed the sport forward with real innovation. V&M, while fine enough, I've always found heavy on the ice and "strictly ballroom", if you know what that means from the movie of the same name. Take heart. You're not alone! There are tons of P&C fans out there speaking up and unafraid of the V&M automatons. They just don't express themselves as fully as I do.
Wow, another beautifully written, perceptive, and article response. I feel like you have watched as much figure-skating as I have and have come to exactly the same conclusions. Well done! I just stopped posting on UA-cam because the 'trolls' were always there to write something cruel about me and my opinions, and I just didn't feel like dealing with them anymore. So nice to "meet" someone who understands the sport (and its politics) so well and can write so eloquently about it. (BTW, I also loved D/W's "Notre Dame de Paris" and "Scheherazade" -- there were just too many wonderful programs to mention.) I've learned over the years to not get as upset as I used to when mediocre skaters were overscored hugely, and I still go back and watch (over and over again) the videos of the skaters (mostly pairs and ice-dancers) whom I love (who are unique and touch my emotions in many ways).
Carol Lane sounds really bitter, always pointing out their lack of versatility. P/C won because they are phenomenal, period. I don't understand this nonsense about "taking the easy path" just because they opt not to change their styles. And besides, that is what the short dance is for.
Carol Lane ...: For the board of medals ...i want to clarify ;V/M = 28/30 years old and P/C = 23/22 years old ....please is better to compare the same elements or you could give some details !!! Also for the " easy path " ; remember you the vanguard FD for P/C last year .....and the enjoy SD this year ??? But i understand , you are on canadian tv and you want to keep your job !!!
I am not even sure they did not change their style... The 2017 FD is just sublime and soooo modern! Something that had never be seen I think. Pure contemporary dance. I wish they could go deeper in that kind of performance. The Ed Sheeran or their gala performances shows they can do what they want... Without taking anything to V/M, I think P/C could do almost all V/M's free dance but I don't think the opposite is possible. I am not sure that Moir could do what Guillaume does... He does not have half of Cizeron's talent. Tessa Virtue is wondeful skater but Gabriella is doing so well and is improving so much and gives her own strenght to their FD, especially in terms of emotions. Plus it's a bit easy to compare an experienced skater who had more than a decade to improve to a young skater who just had five years in senior or so... I would like to see Gabriella at 30 to judge, I think some might be surprised... And finally, they don't go to that kind of style because they don't want to (or don't want for the moment), I don't see what they could be afraid of, they have amazing skating skills that allows them to do whatever they want.
I haveseen three beautiful programmes to this music of the great Beethoven which i love so much pne being the great Gordeeva and Grinkov one being the beautiful Sacha Cohen and now these two and all done so beautiful the great music of moonlight sonata goes gorgeously well in the skating world
By dint of insincerity, those two speakers have lost all credibility. Their ridiculously biased comments only fuel some V/M fans anger and suspicion. They have an ethic obligation towards the audience and for this reason, aren’t supposed to act as die-hard supporters.
Yes, Mr. Browning, you are wrong. This 'style' as you call it is no way easier to skate than, as you said again, the style of Tessa and Scott who 'never take the easy path.'
As if dancing on Moonligh sonata was an easy path. Lol... Only principal dancers have the unique ability to do justice to classical masterpieces without looking out of place. Everyone can put a show, including P/C. Not everyone can create art on ice.
It's much easier to go out there and flail around and "act", pretend to be characters or in V&M's case, caricatures. It's much more difficult to go out there as yourself, be vulnerable, and share your heart with the audience. That's what P&C do in Moonlight Sonata, and that's why the audience is instantly endeared to them. Someone said V&M jump out at you, while P&C draw you in. That says it all. V&M provide a performance of characters that are removed from who they are and while it's entertaining, we don't remember specific parts of it or find ourselves thinking about the performance afterward or the next day. P&C, however, create an intimate moment and invite us in to share it with them. That's why we don't simply watch P&C, we feel the program with them. As someone once said, people will forget what you said, they'll forget what you did, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. P&C make us feel, and that's why they're more than just entertainers like V&M. They're the best.
как можно сравнивать французов с канадцами?! не понимаю... зачем спорить об очевидном-французы уникумы! они - совершенство! они парят надо льдом, тогда как канадцы катаются. у французов абсолютно не видно тяжелых изнурительных тренировок, предшествовавших их выступлению, у канадцев - чувствуется. наблюдая за танцем французов забываешься, а канадцев хладнокровно смотришь. наконец, Пападакис так нежна и тонка, как тростиночка, а движения ее так пластичны, тогда как Тесса спортивна, жестка и немного... груба. чего стоит ее резкий рывок прямо на шею бедного Скотта... нет, эти 2 танца абсолютно несравнимы!
jennyjenner Jenner : Я разделяю полностью ваше мнение (уведомление). Действительно эти две пары как кажется, не имеют то же воздействие на лед (зеркало, мороженое) (контакт ). Кроме меня полагают, что заметная искренность пары Габриэлла и Гийом также меняет ситуацию. Чтобы ограничивать (непринужденность) écarts, будет необходимым добавлять прибор гимнастики?! (LOL). Сердечно Je partage entièrement votre avis. En effet ces deux couples ne paraissent pas avoir le même impact sur la glace (contact avec). En outre je crois que la sincérité perceptible du couple Gabriella et Guillaume fait aussi la différence. Pour atténuer les écarts, serait-il nécessaire de rajouter des agrès de gymnastique ?! (LoL). Cordialement
It's difficult to compare the 2 programs . With V/M we see good skaters , good tehnical ...we watch a performance ; with P/C we see the same technical level , but the difference is in artistic emotional . They are not only good skaters , but good dancers ...their program is a magical invitation with them in this ice " ballet " It's my personal choice , but i understand the oposite choice !! I don't understand , the hate from canadian's fans , and for me the " petition " justice for V/M is just indecent ! It's a shame for this sport !!! Now for the 2 scores we have just 1,7 point between the 2 couples ......it's crazy , and a great damage for this sport !! The Olympic committee wants cancel this sport ...it could be a great damage for the skaters .... V/M and P/C , are great champions , they will work so hard for JO ......it's will better to stop the injuries and the accusations ...real or false .
Je suis De votre avis ....ce sont des présentateurs " lambda " certainement pas des journalistes sportifs ....qui affichent clairement leur préférence pour V/M ....faisant de ce fait monter la pression chez les fans canadiens qui n' ont pas besoin de ça pour s' exciter .... Dans ce milieu pourri , j ' aimerai juste que P/C ne soient pas affectés par cette lie ... .ils ont le potentiel pour avoir une saison fantastique ...et ce déchainement n'est pas une bonne chose pour eux !!!!
Wow. The half-compliments they pay to this team who are simply outstanding and without peer is nauseating. It's so unprofessional and classless to say, "Oh, this type of a program is easier." I always knew Canadian commentary was transparently biased, but this takes their partiality and unprofessionalism to a new low. I'd like to see V&M even try something like this. Scott Moir could NEVER match the intensity and flow of Guillaume and yet, Browning has the gall to say that V&M could come closer to this style than P&C could get to V&M's erratic flailing and caricatured performance. In truth, it's easier to do V&M's style, to go out and pretend to be characters, to "act", but it's much more difficult to go out there as yourself, be vulnerable and offer the audience your heart in a very personal and intimate way. That's what P&C are doing and that's why the audience responds so strongly to them, especially in the FD. In essence, they're saying P&C are just one note performers. Apparently, they missed the short dance. It's very different from their FD, and shows much greater artistic range when compared to to their FD. V&M, however, are the one note skaters with very similar rock music and frenetic, angular gesticulating choreography in both programs. It's V&M that suffer from sameness across both their routines and show less range, definitely NOT P&C.
Oh my god...the shadiness and paper thinly veiled bias being thrown in this commentary is just hilarious. Canadian commentators are so desperate to come up with anything to criticize P/C.
I had to laugh. They were so disappointed when they saw P/C's score. To say that V/M can do P/C free dance better than P/C could do their Moulin Rouge is beyond ridiculous. I feel the exact opposite. Carol Lane and Kurt Browning are fearful the same thing is going to happen like 4 years ago, and i'm sorry to say, it will, a nice shiny silver medal
Wow. The half-compliments they pay to this team who are simply outstanding and without peer is nauseating. It's so unprofessional and classless to say, "Oh, this type of a program is easier." I always knew Canadian commentary was transparently biased, but this takes their partiality and unprofessionalism to a new low. I'd like to see V&M even try something like this. Scott Moir could NEVER match the intensity and flow of Guillaume and yet, Browning has the gall to say that V&M could come closer to this style than P&C could get to V&M's erratic flailing and caricatured performance. In truth, it's easier to do V&M's style, to go out and pretend to be characters, to "act", but it's much more difficult to go out there as yourself, be vulnerable and offer the audience your heart in a very personal and intimate way. That's what P&C are doing and that's why the audience responds so strongly to them, especially in the FD. In essence, they're saying P&C are just one note performers. Apparently, they missed the short dance. It's very different from their FD, and shows much greater artistic range when compared to to their FD. V&M, however, are the one note skaters with very similar rock music and frenetic, angular gesticulating choreography in both programs. It's V&M that suffer from sameness across both their routines and show less range, definitely NOT P&C.
icowles, very well said, indeed! In fact, commentators from NBCSN and British Eurosport have repeatedly said all season (the latter, much to my surprise) that what P/C do is extremely hard, that they make it look easy, that one doesn't even notice that they're do 'elements', that they have incredibly deep edges, have an 'honest' emotional connection with each other (are always looking at each other, which makes what they're doing even more difficult), that they have an "it" factor that touches the emotions of audiences, judges, fans watching online, and that they "skate as one" -- Ben Agosto said it best ("......they morph into this one creature who can can create unique and stunning shapes and forms...."/sorry, badly paraphrased. Even after P/C won the 2018 WC, the British Europsport team (which I think included Carol Lane) said that Guillaume was being compared to Christopher Dean, as arguably the most 'beautiful' male figure skater and that she thinks he is the 'most beautiful dancer' on ice that she has ever seen. Plus, their SD at 2018 WC was so improved: very sharp and rhythmic with lyrical transitions, and their choreography (most by C. Dean) really matched the words of the music: they mixed sharp/rhythmic with soft/lyrical and did a totally unique "Latin" dance. I loved their 2015 Paso Doble SD and 2016 Ravensburge + real March in SD (plus, look at their contemporary style at 2013 TEB): how can one say that they lack versatility? I think in the next couple of seasons, they'll follow up their fantastic 2017 FD, do more 'contemporary' dances and, as Guillaume said, "go forth boldly and create works of art."
The Canadian announcers did the same thing all during the Davis/White vs. Virtue/Moir years. When Davis/White won their 5th Grand Prix Final in a row, Browning could barely bring himself to say anything positive; after Davis/White won the WC in 2013, during their Gala performance (which was so elegant), Browning outright said that V/M were so much better and would beat them in Sochi. That's when I stopped watching any videos put out by CBC. (I only ended up here because I clicked on the wrong video. I much prefer NBCSN only when Ben Agosto is commenting: he is articulate, focuses on each duo solely while they're dancing, explains some of the rules and regulations afterwards and how skaters handled the key points, etc., and is totally non-biased. He and Tracy Wilson made a wonderful team for NBC for the 2016 WC, but I think Tracy is busy now helping Brian Orser coach all his students.)
Realmente me exaspera la falta de objetividad de la comentarista no es la primera vez que lo hace... no debería comentar si lo único que hace es comparar con la pareja canadiense todo lo que ve...todos son distintos y aportan cosas distintas. Que es eso... que se venden bien?!!! Está claro que tus favoritos son los canadienses... pero de ahí a hacer comentarios como se venden bien, que su patinaje porque le gusta a la audiencia es peor o de más mala clase. Dónde esta tu profesionalismo?
I'm a Kurt Browning fan and I'm so embarrassed by this unprofessional commentary my goodness. And stuff like this is what I'm not going to miss when V/M retire again . The absolute sour grapes attitude towards their competitors, ugh.
Browning et Lane sont dans un bateau ! Et ils rament, rament rament rament rament..... Et jamais ils n'atteindront le rivage 😑 ils ont perdu leur boussole, l'objectivité.... Si quelqu'un la retrouve, prière de leur ramener. Merci.
lucille : Leur "déontologie" ne leur permet pas de rester objectif, je suppose qu'elle leur interdit aussi de savoir lire une boussole ! Ils ont perdu (ou ignorent) certaines valeurs tel que professionnalisme et honnêteté.
SIR AND MADAME THEY ARE MUCH BETTER THAN VIRTUE & SCOTT TO BE HONEST I LIKE THEM BETTER SUCH A VERY NATURAL STYLE AND THE EXECUTION OF THE ELEMENTS ARE THERE SO NATURAL MAKES THEM EASIER THE DIFFICULT, FOR TESSA I DON’T LIKE HER SO ARTIFICIAL
This may be the most perfect ice dance ever skated by anyone anywhere ever but it is about as exciting as watching paint dry. I don't have a dog in this hunt (i.e., I don't care who wins) but just for sheer enjoyment I'd have to give it to the Canadian couple. They actually seem to be enjoying themselves and have real movement to their skate. All I see when I watch this couple is a bunch of gliding across the ice. My opinion only, but I'm definitely voting for the Canadians.
kurt et lane qui détestent G AND G bad bad comentators comme d'hab ils préfèrent hi hi la big tessa et le petit scotty tout essouflé qui ne dansent pas c'est connu et reconnu brrr rien détonnant à descendre G AND G chaque fois ..browning qui ne connaît rien à la danse pôve mec prenez de la graine les canadiens corrompus ... G/G sous notés ok, il faut le dire aussi pour leur sublime FD + 62 points en technique ok et 60 points + en artistique, MAIS vu le panel des juges rien de surprenant...ils sont à des années lumières devant tous les autres couples et les canadiens sont à leur place, bien surnotés ! stop à la vulgarité et à la lourdeur de leurs prog tortiller du popotin c'est pas danser, alors que G AND G tout est en apesanteur en finesse, légéreté, tout est musique leur corps, leurs mains dansent....que dire l'art à létat pur soft, douceur ils vivent leur danse car ce sont des artistes acteurs de leurs prog SUBLISSIMAL.
Tout à fait d'accord! C'est vraiment ecoeurant d'écouter ces commentateurs cannadiens sans aucune éthique professionnelle dégommer injustement tous les adversaires de Virtue et Moir et particulièrement Papadakis et Cizeron qui sont les seuls vrais rivaux des Canadiens (aka, ils sont susceptibles gagner la médaille d'or aux JO et les trolls canadiens l'ont bien compris). Pathétiques commentateurs sportifs...
cassis anne : yes kurt browning et lane sont des supers trolls surtout browning qui ne connait rien en danse comme lane ah ha .. débile et déplorable leur discours de pire en pire à chaque compét de G AN G il va jusqu'à dire que gaby patine mal des erreurs techniques car elle n'a pas ceci cela etc, trop drôle ... une honte mais pas étonnant car leurs vulgaires patineurs V/M n'ont jamais dansés et ne font que patiner plutôt lui marche et faire du cirque sur glace pire du porno par leur porté c'est déplorable pour le patinage artistique !!!! ils ont été toujours ainsi et comme je le dit l'isu canadienne leur a acheté l'or en 2010 et 2014 l'argent et maintenant ils veulent l'orrrrrren truandant et en faisant moultes corruptions !! pour des patineurs que je mettrais 10ème vu leur patinage circus !!! c'est lamentable... et honteux de la part de l'isu lausanne !!! bref les seuls qui doivent avoir l'or olympique sont G AND G.. y a pas photo ils sont à des années lumières de tous ces couples mondiaux... hélas ... et tant mieux car ils redorent enfin la danse...
Absolutely sublime. P&C floated across the ice. Have to say though that commentary is just awful and biased. Why so much talk about V&M while P&C skated that beautiful program?? Typical Canadian unprofessional commentary with back handed compliments for P&C. They did the same thing while D&W handily defeated V&M for two seasons straight and five consecutive GPF titles leading up to Sochi. V&M themselves showed what sore losers they were in Sochi. Lost all respect for them.
What kind of comments is that? Totally partial! Shame. Wonder: do you continuously speak about Gabriella and Guillaume during Tessa and Scott’s performances?
I'm a huge fan of VM, and also of PC. In that era, though, I do strongly believe that VM was the strongest team, with the most intricate and best dance, and I feel like VM should have won that competition. I feel like PC dance side by side, but not "together" in this. They are gorgeous and skate effortlessly, but there is something missing. This performance didn't give me goosebumps.
Nothing forced. interiority, musicality, articulation of movement, edge quality. Everything in a league of their own and this isn’t even their best performance of this program.
The best dancers on the ice !!!
Congratulations to Gaby and Guillaume on deserved victory!
Congratulations to all the fans of this amazing couple!
So they can only dance heartfeltly.....
👏👏👏
Beautiful. Increible.
I think they are unbelievable, supreme, exquisite. This was a superb performance!We love you Guillaume and Gabrielle, you two are unique!💞❤😍🙋♀️😘
Art. Super choreography.
Gabrielle et Guillaume sont deux âmes, hors du commum.
Tout est transcendé..
Could the Canadians commenters be any more biased. This is ART on ICE😄 moir and Tessa are more acrobatic, don’t get me wrong, I love these two performances, and honestly gaby and gilliaume have more technical components and g/c are fantastic, so beautiful poetry on ice ❤️
Really shocked at the CBC commentary here. Lane and Browning should be ashamed of themselves; totally unprofessional.
Excellent choreography!
Marvelous execution and wonderful facial expressions.
I wish I had been there.
Lol they really think that skating Moonlight sonata is easier. OMG, it seems easy BECAUSE P/C have the skating skills for that. We don't see the effort, the element, they're floating. It's like when i see Federer playing. Tennis seems very easy. But we know it's not easy.
Essa dupla é fantástica 🥰🥰⛸⛸🌹🌻❤🇧🇷🇧🇷
Soon as they touch the ice...they’re already in the zone. They’re focused on each other like they’re the last 2 on earth. They skate like it’s the Olympics...every time. Mirrored timing..precise musicality..they use every single note..
...and INTENSE EMOTION!!...’nuff said. My eyes burn bc I didn’t realize I had stopped blinking.
Perfeitos, elegancia cincronia, maravilhosos!!!!
Baffles me that some believe Gabi and Guillaume's style of skating is "easier". Then why have we seen 3 consecutive seasons of so many top skaters skating to lyrical pieces imitating them but not even nearing their effects? Tessa & Scott of course have talents that surpass Gabi & Guillaume but it goes both ways. Both teams utilize what is best suited for them. This season, Gabi & Guillaume's program is more successful in portraying their strengths than Tessa & Scott's does for them.
Agreed. Also this comment is beyond silly: "It is easier to connect to the audience and judges with that than characters like in Roxanne." Seriously? You are portraying a worldwide known, loved, numerously used soundtrack and characters and it's "easier" to connect with Beethoven?
Can you tell me what other skaters are trying out Gabi and Guillaume's style? I'm so curious.
@@sueecavanau At least half of the current ice dance field is using the p/c style in their fd (most unsuccessfully).
Thank you. Since I posted that 9 months ago, I've seen A LOT of ice dance couples use similar moves to Papadakis and Cizeron. i was very new to ice dance back then and didn't know the difference.@@icedancefan49
Kurt Browning, this was NOT easy
It's beginning to become ridiculous how biased the Canadian commentators are. I spent a decade listening to them put down Davis & White (in favor of their precious V/M) (and, BTW, Davis and White came up with memorable, totally different programs, especially their FDs, every single year: from 'Samson and Delilah' to 'Die Fledermaus' and everything inbetween -- and beat V/M in five straight Grand Prix Finals and two World Championships). All they did when D/W skated four flawless programs at the 2014 Olympics was point out the elements; not one word of praise. I always thought V/M were quite clunky and often trying too hard and "putting on their characters" way too hard, but that's just my opinion. When they say here that V/M could do the "easier" FD of P/C, that's just wrong: P/C make it "look" easy, but their skating skills are so superior that they only make it look easy (as Ben Agosto, Charlie White, and a couple of British Eurosport announcers have said); the edging of their blades, soft knees, honest connection with each other -- the way they are always looking at each other, touching each other, which goes way back to when they were teenagers, is just ingrained and 'real', as B. Agosto & C. White mentioned in separate commentaries at the Internationaux de France and 2017 CoC. If Kurt and Carol think that P/C cannot do 'Roxanne' or anything edgy or contemporary, they're wrong; all they have to do is look at their 2013-14 TEB program and some of their gala skates (to Beyonce this year). P/C can make it look as though they're flying and floating (which takes even more work and skill -- as a musician and lover of all kinds of dance, I know how much more difficult "slow with moments of quiet but perfect" is; but they were also hitting all the rhythms hard/sharp and right to the music in their new SD. Even the Russian, Italian, and Spanish commentators have raved about P/C (as they did about Davis & White) in the last few years.
Perfectly said. The goal of a true artist is to never allow the work to be visible. It should always appear effortless. With V&M, we see all the individual working parts that never seem to gel into a whole. V&M put on characters removed from who they are and put on a performance. P&C go out there as themselves, completely vulnerable, and show us their hearts. That's what endears people to them instantly, especially in a FD like Moonlight Sonata. V&M give us a performance. P&C give us an experience. That's why, unlike V&M, we find ourselves thinking about P&C's dances after the performance and the next day, because they make us feel, they take us on the journey with them by inviting us to share in it with them. Someone said, people will forget what you did, they'll forget what you said, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. That's why we love P&C, because we never see the work and just feel the experience.
I agree on D&W. The Canadian press' treatment of them was outrageously unprofessional. It seems whenever V&M win, it's all about the technical elements but when they lose...well, it's just a matter of personal preference with the judges. They tried to delegitimize D&W's wins over V&M this way, and they're trying the same thing with P&C. Perhaps the worst of all was how V&M went on the talk show circuit after Sochi blaming everyone and everything for the outcome except themselves and their performance. They blamed Zueva for not giving them enough attention (although that didn't seem to be a problem when they won in Vancouver). Watch their interview on Strombo in Canada. He asks them whether they think "the fix" was in for D&W at the Olympics. Instead of saying, No and taking some personal responsibility, they stutter, look at each other, roll their eyes and use various body language that clearly telegraphs that they believe they lost because of cheating by the Americans--with zero proof, mind you. Never mind that D&W had beaten them in every competition for two years leading up to Sochi. They did this in interview after interview. Just classless and unprofessional, trying to taint the glorious win of D&W. That's when I lost respect for them as people. After Vancouver, D&W only spoke well of V&M. V&M present a wholesome image on camera, but they are arrogant winners, poor losers and vicious behind the scenes. It's so arrogant to even imply that the ONLY way they could EVER lose is if cheating is involved because well, even on their worst day, V&M are just better than every one. Ugh. You can see they just expect to win every time, regardless of their performance, and that's what makes them arrogant and unwatchable for me.
icowless, Wow! What a spectacular, perceptive, articulate, well-written reply! Thank you so much. I usually get negative replies to anything I post on UA-cam, so I've stopped posting anything. But I was just annoyed beyond anything (to the media creating a 'fight' between the two top teams and to CBC and some British Eurosport announcers, who are supposed to be non-biased outloud on the air, saying, "But, V/M are so much better..." No, they're not, and never have been. I never, ever expected a reply from anyone who agreed with me about Papadakis & Cizeron, and who agreed with me about Davis & White (classiness-personified, as well as beautiful story-tellers in all their varied skating programs -- completely different from P/C, which is wonderful, but always creating skill, a connection -- which the media always downplayed -- and superb storytelling). I was also a huge Torvill and Dean fan (back in the days when one had to turn "professional" to show off their creativity). I didn't want to say anything negative about V/M, but you nailed it, exactly as I experienced them (both on and off the ice). Thank you so much for your perceptive and exquisite written reply.
lauramartha3: You're very welcome. The V&M crowd are very good at shouting down anyone who opposes their team, even when they present themselves respectfully and honestly, and V&M don't deserve to win. It doesn't matter to them. Only the Russians can rival the Canadians in their bias and backroom dealing when it comes to sports, but especially figure skating.
I have a theory as to where this comes from, at least for Canada. Although Japan/Asia is seeing a golden age of figure skating right now similar to the U.S. from the 80's to the early 2000's, it's been the U.S. Canada and Russia that have dominated the modern era of skating (1970 to present), and the U.S. since the 40's. Of these three nations, Canada is definitely a distant #3. The Olympic gold medals they've won in skating can be counted on one hand, and no Canadian man has ever won Olympic gold. I believe there's only been one ladies single skater take gold, as well. Because of this, Canada always feels like the bride's maid in the shadow of the U.S. with lots of sliver and bronze medals, but almost never gold. Canada has no one to compare to the greats of the sport. They have no counterpart for a Boitano, Hamill, Fleming, Lipinski, Hughes, Hamilton, Kulik, Yagudin, Gordeeva & Grinkov, and others. They feel that void, and it creates a HUGE inferiority complex for them that leaves a BIG chip on their shoulder. Because of this, they feel the need to push to get their skaters more World and Olympic victories, often by any means necessary.
The consistent over-scoring of V&M for nearly their entire career is proof of this, especially when Scott can nearly fall at Worlds 2017 and they still win. He stumbled in the FD at the Grand Prix Final too, (the Eurosport commentator gasped when he saw it) and somehow it didn't matter. P&C should have won by an even larger margin. I find it very interesting that V&M always seem to earn a new world record when on home ice, as in Vancouver and always at Skate Canada. Yet, D&W earned their world records, including at Sochi, on neutral ice, as have P&C this year on neutral ice in China and Japan.
Another classic example of Canadian collusion behind the scenes is the making of Patrick Chan. There's a reason the skating community coined the term Chanflation under their breath between 2010-2014. Not since the days of the old 6.0 system and eastern communist block judging schemes have I seen a more blatant and concerted effort by the judges and one nation to ensure a particular skater won the Olympics, as I have with Chan. His PCS had more padding than a cell at Bellevue Mental Hospital. He could fall three times and downgrade a fourth jump and STILL win time and time again, just as he did at Worlds 2013...and those were just his mistakes in the LP. His wins were constantly explained away by the "quality of his edges" and "skating skills". Give me a break. I wish I had a dollar for every time Canadian, Tracy Wilson described his flopping all over the ice as "exquisite". I could quite my job. Clearly, they were building him up for the win in Sochi. Of his three world championships, only his 2011 victory wasn't controversial. Takahashi should have won in 2012 and Denis Ten should have won in 2013. Many people felt that, but we're dealing with Canada. He also blew three jumps, downgraded a fourth and had many other shaky landings in Sochi, but the ONLY reason he did not win, even with that dismal performance, is because Hanyu's SP was phenomenal, while Chan blew his axle (as usual). That's what won Hanyu his gold, his SP. Hanyu totally deserved his gold and yet, I'm STILL stunned today that Chan did not win in Sochi, not because he deserved to, but because the collusion campaign behind him was SO strong for years, as with V&M. I was so glad to see good and truth win out.
Like V&M, who've referred to themselves as "elite" and "the best" in the past, Chan has done the same thing, while blaming his blowouts on everything from the quality of the ice to the skycams overhead. I even read with my own eyes an interview with Chan in the Toronto Star where he actually said after yet another controversial victory, "I'm glad the judges want me to win". I don't know what they put in the water up there in Canada, but their skaters always tend to be cocky and arrogant like V&M, Chan, Stojko (who disparaged Evan Lysacek when he won gold in Vancouver without a quad--never mind that in the two Olympics where Stojko was a legitimate contender 94 & 98, he never even attempted one) and even Kurt Browning was full of himself back in the day. I never liked him because of that. As I said, the chip on the shoulder. Even he had a lot of "gimme" victories during his career. Go back and watch Browning skate in his amateur career. He's highly inconsistent and over-rated. Somehow, he could pull it together for Worlds, but he always struggled badly through the rest of the season. He's definitely not in my book of greats.
Now, here we are with the crusade to get V&M Olympic gold again, just so they can say, they're the ONLY dance team to get two gold medals and claim the title of "most decorated dance team ever!". Tracy Wilson has already used that terminology to describe them. Anything to set a Canadian skater apart so they can be included with the true greats of the sport...yes, they'll resort to anything, even embarrassingly biased commentary.
As you said, when D&W began to defeat V&M, the regular explanation of the Canadian commentators was always, "Oh, they've improved SO much". As if they didn't know how to skate before. The truth is that D&W were ALWAYS better than V&M, and so are P&C. D&W will always be my favorite (Notre Dame and Scheherazade, especially) but P&C are a close second. I consider their Moonlight Sonata on par with my favorite D&W routines. It's D&W and P&C that have pushed the sport forward with real innovation. V&M, while fine enough, I've always found heavy on the ice and "strictly ballroom", if you know what that means from the movie of the same name.
Take heart. You're not alone! There are tons of P&C fans out there speaking up and unafraid of the V&M automatons. They just don't express themselves as fully as I do.
Wow, another beautifully written, perceptive, and article response. I feel like you have watched as much figure-skating as I have and have come to exactly the same conclusions. Well done! I just stopped posting on UA-cam because the 'trolls' were always there to write something cruel about me and my opinions, and I just didn't feel like dealing with them anymore. So nice to "meet" someone who understands the sport (and its politics) so well and can write so eloquently about it. (BTW, I also loved D/W's "Notre Dame de Paris" and "Scheherazade" -- there were just too many wonderful programs to mention.) I've learned over the years to not get as upset as I used to when mediocre skaters were overscored hugely, and I still go back and watch (over and over again) the videos of the skaters (mostly pairs and ice-dancers) whom I love (who are unique and touch my emotions in many ways).
These comments should appear before any videos of V/M, seriously. Their fans need a huge wake-up call.
I love this couple so beautiful, loveable
Carol Lane sounds really bitter, always pointing out their lack of versatility. P/C won because they are phenomenal, period. I don't understand this nonsense about "taking the easy path" just because they opt not to change their styles. And besides, that is what the short dance is for.
Carol Lane ...: For the board of medals ...i want to clarify ;V/M = 28/30 years old and P/C = 23/22 years old ....please is better to compare the same elements or you could give some details !!!
Also for the " easy path " ; remember you the vanguard FD for P/C last year .....and the enjoy SD this year ???
But i understand , you are on canadian tv and you want to keep your job !!!
She is a loser, always criticizes P/C no matter how, her bitter tone of the comment is so disgusting
I am not even sure they did not change their style... The 2017 FD is just sublime and soooo modern! Something that had never be seen I think. Pure contemporary dance. I wish they could go deeper in that kind of performance. The Ed Sheeran or their gala performances shows they can do what they want...
Without taking anything to V/M, I think P/C could do almost all V/M's free dance but I don't think the opposite is possible. I am not sure that Moir could do what Guillaume does... He does not have half of Cizeron's talent. Tessa Virtue is wondeful skater but Gabriella is doing so well and is improving so much and gives her own strenght to their FD, especially in terms of emotions. Plus it's a bit easy to compare an experienced skater who had more than a decade to improve to a young skater who just had five years in senior or so... I would like to see Gabriella at 30 to judge, I think some might be surprised...
And finally, they don't go to that kind of style because they don't want to (or don't want for the moment), I don't see what they could be afraid of, they have amazing skating skills that allows them to do whatever they want.
I haveseen three beautiful programmes to this music of the great Beethoven which i love so much pne being the great Gordeeva and Grinkov one being the beautiful Sacha Cohen and now these two and all done so beautiful the great music of moonlight sonata goes gorgeously well in the skating world
By dint of insincerity, those two speakers have lost all credibility. Their ridiculously biased comments only fuel some V/M fans anger and suspicion. They have an ethic obligation towards the audience and for this reason, aren’t supposed to act as die-hard supporters.
Super notre couple français ils patinent merveilleusement bien c'est du bonheur félicitations, ⛸️🤩🇨🇵👏💕
Yes, Mr. Browning, you are wrong. This 'style' as you call it is no way easier to skate than, as you said again, the style of Tessa and Scott who 'never take the easy path.'
As if dancing on Moonligh sonata was an easy path. Lol... Only principal dancers have the unique ability to do justice to classical masterpieces without looking out of place. Everyone can put a show, including P/C. Not everyone can create art on ice.
It's much easier to go out there and flail around and "act", pretend to be characters or in V&M's case, caricatures. It's much more difficult to go out there as yourself, be vulnerable, and share your heart with the audience. That's what P&C do in Moonlight Sonata, and that's why the audience is instantly endeared to them. Someone said V&M jump out at you, while P&C draw you in. That says it all. V&M provide a performance of characters that are removed from who they are and while it's entertaining, we don't remember specific parts of it or find ourselves thinking about the performance afterward or the next day. P&C, however, create an intimate moment and invite us in to share it with them. That's why we don't simply watch P&C, we feel the program with them. As someone once said, people will forget what you said, they'll forget what you did, but they'll never forget how you made them feel. P&C make us feel, and that's why they're more than just entertainers like V&M. They're the best.
@@L1623VP So those 20mil people who have watched the Moulin Rouge Olympic performance felt nothing? Lol.
ART. I CAN'T
как можно сравнивать французов с канадцами?! не понимаю... зачем спорить об очевидном-французы уникумы! они - совершенство! они парят надо льдом, тогда как канадцы катаются. у французов абсолютно не видно тяжелых изнурительных тренировок, предшествовавших их выступлению, у канадцев - чувствуется. наблюдая за танцем французов забываешься, а канадцев хладнокровно смотришь. наконец, Пападакис так нежна и тонка, как тростиночка, а движения ее так пластичны, тогда как Тесса спортивна, жестка и немного... груба. чего стоит ее резкий рывок прямо на шею бедного Скотта... нет, эти 2 танца абсолютно несравнимы!
jennyjenner Jenner :
Я разделяю полностью ваше мнение (уведомление). Действительно эти две пары как кажется, не имеют то же воздействие на лед (зеркало, мороженое) (контакт ). Кроме меня полагают, что заметная искренность пары Габриэлла и Гийом также меняет ситуацию. Чтобы ограничивать (непринужденность) écarts, будет необходимым добавлять прибор гимнастики?! (LOL).
Сердечно
Je partage entièrement votre avis. En effet ces deux couples ne paraissent pas avoir le même impact sur la glace (contact avec). En outre je crois que la sincérité perceptible du couple Gabriella et Guillaume fait aussi la différence. Pour atténuer les écarts, serait-il nécessaire de rajouter des agrès de gymnastique ?! (LoL).
Cordialement
It's difficult to compare the 2 programs .
With V/M we see good skaters , good tehnical ...we watch a performance ; with P/C we see the same technical level , but the difference is in artistic emotional .
They are not only good skaters , but good dancers ...their program is a magical invitation with them in this ice " ballet "
It's my personal choice , but i understand the oposite choice !!
I don't understand , the hate from canadian's fans , and for me the " petition " justice for V/M is just indecent !
It's a shame for this sport !!!
Now for the 2 scores we have just 1,7 point between the 2 couples ......it's crazy , and a great damage for this sport !!
The Olympic committee wants cancel this sport ...it could be a great damage for the skaters ....
V/M and P/C , are great champions , they will work so hard for JO ......it's will better to stop the injuries and the accusations ...real or false .
Je suis De votre avis ....ce sont des présentateurs " lambda " certainement pas des journalistes sportifs ....qui affichent clairement leur préférence pour V/M ....faisant de ce fait monter la pression chez les fans canadiens qui n' ont pas besoin de ça pour s' exciter ....
Dans ce milieu pourri , j ' aimerai juste que P/C ne soient pas affectés par cette lie ...
.ils ont le potentiel pour avoir une saison fantastique ...et ce déchainement n'est pas une bonne chose pour eux !!!!
Any time I hear Moonlight Sonata now...I see this🙏🏻
The commentators are painful to listen to.
Beautiful!!!!
C'est tellement émouvant. On dirait qu'ils ne pèsent rien. On dirait des voiles au-dessus des glaces.
Wow. The half-compliments they pay to this team who are simply outstanding and without peer is nauseating. It's so unprofessional and classless to say, "Oh, this type of a program is easier." I always knew Canadian commentary was transparently biased, but this takes their partiality and unprofessionalism to a new low. I'd like to see V&M even try something like this. Scott Moir could NEVER match the intensity and flow of Guillaume and yet, Browning has the gall to say that V&M could come closer to this style than P&C could get to V&M's erratic flailing and caricatured performance.
In truth, it's easier to do V&M's style, to go out and pretend to be characters, to "act", but it's much more difficult to go out there as yourself, be vulnerable and offer the audience your heart in a very personal and intimate way. That's what P&C are doing and that's why the audience responds so strongly to them, especially in the FD. In essence, they're saying P&C are just one note performers. Apparently, they missed the short dance. It's very different from their FD, and shows much greater artistic range when compared to to their FD. V&M, however, are the one note skaters with very similar rock music and frenetic, angular gesticulating choreography in both programs. It's V&M that suffer from sameness across both their routines and show less range, definitely NOT P&C.
Oh my god...the shadiness and paper thinly veiled bias being thrown in this commentary is just hilarious. Canadian commentators are so desperate to come up with anything to criticize P/C.
I had to laugh. They were so disappointed when they saw P/C's score. To say that V/M can do P/C free dance better than P/C could do their Moulin Rouge is beyond ridiculous. I feel the exact opposite. Carol Lane and Kurt Browning are fearful the same thing is going to happen like 4 years ago, and i'm sorry to say, it will, a nice shiny silver medal
Wow. The half-compliments they pay to this team who are simply outstanding and without peer is nauseating. It's so unprofessional and classless to say, "Oh, this type of a program is easier." I always knew Canadian commentary was transparently biased, but this takes their partiality and unprofessionalism to a new low. I'd like to see V&M even try something like this. Scott Moir could NEVER match the intensity and flow of Guillaume and yet, Browning has the gall to say that V&M could come closer to this style than P&C could get to V&M's erratic flailing and caricatured performance. In truth, it's easier to do V&M's style, to go out and pretend to be characters, to "act", but it's much more difficult to go out there as yourself, be vulnerable and offer the audience your heart in a very personal and intimate way. That's what P&C are doing and that's why the audience responds so strongly to them, especially in the FD. In essence, they're saying P&C are just one note performers. Apparently, they missed the short dance. It's very different from their FD, and shows much greater artistic range when compared to to their FD. V&M, however, are the one note skaters with very similar rock music and frenetic, angular gesticulating choreography in both programs. It's V&M that suffer from sameness across both their routines and show less range, definitely NOT P&C.
So terrible and completely unprofessional.
icowles, very well said, indeed! In fact, commentators from NBCSN and British Eurosport have repeatedly said all season (the latter, much to my surprise) that what P/C do is extremely hard, that they make it look easy, that one doesn't even notice that they're do 'elements', that they have incredibly deep edges, have an 'honest' emotional connection with each other (are always looking at each other, which makes what they're doing even more difficult), that they have an "it" factor that touches the emotions of audiences, judges, fans watching online, and that they "skate as one" -- Ben Agosto said it best ("......they morph into this one creature who can can create unique and stunning shapes and forms...."/sorry, badly paraphrased. Even after P/C won the 2018 WC, the British Europsport team (which I think included Carol Lane) said that Guillaume was being compared to Christopher Dean, as arguably the most 'beautiful' male figure skater and that she thinks he is the 'most beautiful dancer' on ice that she has ever seen. Plus, their SD at 2018 WC was so improved: very sharp and rhythmic with lyrical transitions, and their choreography (most by C. Dean) really matched the words of the music: they mixed sharp/rhythmic with soft/lyrical and did a totally unique "Latin" dance. I loved their 2015 Paso Doble SD and 2016 Ravensburge + real March in SD (plus, look at their contemporary style at 2013 TEB): how can one say that they lack versatility? I think in the next couple of seasons, they'll follow up their fantastic 2017 FD, do more 'contemporary' dances and, as Guillaume said, "go forth boldly and create works of art."
The Canadian announcers did the same thing all during the Davis/White vs. Virtue/Moir years. When Davis/White won their 5th Grand Prix Final in a row, Browning could barely bring himself to say anything positive; after Davis/White won the WC in 2013, during their Gala performance (which was so elegant), Browning outright said that V/M were so much better and would beat them in Sochi. That's when I stopped watching any videos put out by CBC. (I only ended up here because I clicked on the wrong video. I much prefer NBCSN only when Ben Agosto is commenting: he is articulate, focuses on each duo solely while they're dancing, explains some of the rules and regulations afterwards and how skaters handled the key points, etc., and is totally non-biased. He and Tracy Wilson made a wonderful team for NBC for the 2016 WC, but I think Tracy is busy now helping Brian Orser coach all his students.)
Realmente me exaspera la falta de objetividad de la comentarista no es la primera vez que lo hace... no debería comentar si lo único que hace es comparar con la pareja canadiense todo lo que ve...todos son distintos y aportan cosas distintas.
Que es eso... que se venden bien?!!!
Está claro que tus favoritos son los canadienses... pero de ahí a hacer comentarios como se venden bien, que su patinaje porque le gusta a la audiencia es peor o de más mala clase. Dónde esta tu profesionalismo?
I'm a Kurt Browning fan and I'm so embarrassed by this unprofessional commentary my goodness. And stuff like this is what I'm not going to miss when V/M retire again . The absolute sour grapes attitude towards their competitors, ugh.
Browning et Lane sont dans un bateau ! Et ils rament, rament rament rament rament..... Et jamais ils n'atteindront le rivage 😑
ils ont perdu leur boussole, l'objectivité....
Si quelqu'un la retrouve, prière de leur ramener. Merci.
lucille : Leur "déontologie" ne leur permet pas de rester objectif, je suppose qu'elle leur interdit aussi de savoir lire une boussole ! Ils ont perdu (ou ignorent) certaines valeurs tel que professionnalisme et honnêteté.
SIR AND MADAME THEY ARE MUCH BETTER THAN VIRTUE & SCOTT TO BE HONEST I LIKE THEM BETTER SUCH A VERY NATURAL STYLE AND THE EXECUTION OF THE ELEMENTS ARE THERE SO NATURAL MAKES THEM EASIER THE DIFFICULT, FOR TESSA I DON’T LIKE HER SO ARTIFICIAL
This may be the most perfect ice dance ever skated by anyone anywhere ever but it is about as exciting as watching paint dry. I don't have a dog in this hunt (i.e., I don't care who wins) but just for sheer enjoyment I'd have to give it to the Canadian couple. They actually seem to be enjoying themselves and have real movement to their skate. All I see when I watch this couple is a bunch of gliding across the ice. My opinion only, but I'm definitely voting for the Canadians.
the commentators here were just disgusting, saying that what the french were doing was "easier" than V&M, they're both equally hard.
kurt et lane qui détestent G AND G bad bad comentators comme d'hab ils préfèrent hi hi la big tessa et le petit scotty tout essouflé qui ne dansent pas c'est connu et reconnu brrr rien détonnant à descendre G AND G chaque fois ..browning qui ne connaît rien à la danse pôve mec
prenez de la graine les canadiens corrompus ...
G/G sous notés ok, il faut le dire aussi pour leur sublime FD + 62 points en technique ok et 60 points + en artistique, MAIS vu le panel des juges rien de surprenant...ils sont à des années lumières devant tous les autres couples et les canadiens sont à leur place, bien surnotés ! stop à la vulgarité et à la lourdeur de leurs prog tortiller du popotin c'est pas danser, alors que G AND G tout est en apesanteur en finesse, légéreté, tout est musique leur corps, leurs mains dansent....que dire l'art à létat pur soft, douceur ils vivent leur danse car ce sont des artistes acteurs de leurs prog SUBLISSIMAL.
Tout à fait d'accord! C'est vraiment ecoeurant d'écouter ces commentateurs cannadiens sans aucune éthique professionnelle dégommer injustement tous les adversaires de Virtue et Moir et particulièrement Papadakis et Cizeron qui sont les seuls vrais rivaux des Canadiens (aka, ils sont susceptibles gagner la médaille d'or aux JO et les trolls canadiens l'ont bien compris). Pathétiques commentateurs sportifs...
cassis anne : yes kurt browning et lane sont des supers trolls surtout browning qui ne connait rien en danse comme lane ah ha .. débile et déplorable leur discours de pire en pire à chaque compét de G AN G il va jusqu'à dire que gaby patine mal des erreurs techniques car elle n'a pas ceci cela etc, trop drôle ... une honte mais pas étonnant car leurs vulgaires patineurs V/M n'ont jamais dansés et ne font que patiner plutôt lui marche et faire du cirque sur glace pire du porno par leur porté c'est déplorable pour le patinage artistique !!!! ils ont été toujours ainsi et comme je le dit l'isu canadienne leur a acheté l'or en 2010 et 2014 l'argent et maintenant ils veulent l'orrrrrren truandant et en faisant moultes corruptions !! pour des patineurs que je mettrais 10ème vu leur patinage circus !!! c'est lamentable... et honteux de la part de l'isu lausanne !!! bref les seuls qui doivent avoir l'or olympique sont G AND G.. y a pas photo ils sont à des années lumières de tous ces couples mondiaux... hélas ... et tant mieux car ils redorent enfin la danse...
The best
Absolutely sublime. P&C floated across the ice. Have to say though that commentary is just awful and biased. Why so much talk about V&M while P&C skated that beautiful program?? Typical Canadian unprofessional commentary with back handed compliments for P&C. They did the same thing while D&W handily defeated V&M for two seasons straight and five consecutive GPF titles leading up to Sochi. V&M themselves showed what sore losers they were in Sochi. Lost all respect for them.
HOW DO YOU HAVE TO MENTION TESSA AND SCOTT COMMENTATOR SIDING WITH ONE SIDE
Commentaires honteux. Pires que notre Nelson Montfort national c'est tout dire et Carol Lane n'a pas l'excuse de l'ignorance, elle.
YES IT IS INDEED , THE BEST I HAVE EVER SEEN TESSA AND SCOTT NO NO DIFFERENT I DON’T LIKE THERE BEHAVIOUR WHEN THEY ARE ON THE ICE
What kind of comments is that? Totally partial! Shame.
Wonder: do you continuously speak about Gabriella and Guillaume during Tessa and Scott’s performances?
STOP COMMENTATOR
I'm a huge fan of VM, and also of PC. In that era, though, I do strongly believe that VM was the strongest team, with the most intricate and best dance, and I feel like VM should have won that competition. I feel like PC dance side by side, but not "together" in this. They are gorgeous and skate effortlessly, but there is something missing. This performance didn't give me goosebumps.
Ignorant commentators
The commentators spoke real pc fans just can’t stand to hear it 😂
not only fans. I didn't think that canadians were so arrogant.