The D&D movie breaks druids - here’s why

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  • I know everybody's going off about the Owlbear, but that's tied to her backstory, as explored in the novelization. It's that 7-shapes-in-as-many-minutes that would REALLY break the game!
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  • @zoeborja5260
    @zoeborja5260 Рік тому +5878

    The realest dnd moment was the speak with dead spell and wasting all the damn questions by accident 😂

    • @Revan1939
      @Revan1939 Рік тому +254

      I’m sure it’s exactly what my party would do as well

    • @phillipallen3259
      @phillipallen3259 Рік тому +149

      That was so funny, accurate and perfect! I loved that!

    • @bungerroyale112
      @bungerroyale112 Рік тому +87

      I've done that before, one of my favourite moments in the film to be honest

    • @pyrobaka5227
      @pyrobaka5227 Рік тому +64

      The party I dm'ed for literally did something similar to that once, it was amazing

    • @TTHJJD100
      @TTHJJD100 Рік тому +68

      That or spending an hour planning the questions and everything is a useless answer to the plan

  • @PerfectSaga
    @PerfectSaga Рік тому +2788

    The DM said it was okay, so we all rolled with it.

    • @master-zaynelotus5048
      @master-zaynelotus5048 Рік тому +45

      That's a good one, nice!

    • @JohnWasinger
      @JohnWasinger Рік тому +55

      Would the movie director be considered as the DM?

    • @sjhorton1184
      @sjhorton1184 Рік тому +25

      Exactly why our party's Eladrin Druid can just produce infinite amounts of any fruit or vegetable she wishes. And not even in a "casts druidcraft" kind of way.

    • @DangoHsu
      @DangoHsu Рік тому +44

      ​@@JohnWasinger Director of the Movie, or DM for short.

    • @nathannguyen1431
      @nathannguyen1431 Рік тому +23

      Yeah, it's house rule.
      Another theory I saw on reddit is that she's a custom druid who can't cast spell, but burn spell slots to wildshape, and the slot determines the cr.

  • @MaxwellKasper
    @MaxwellKasper Рік тому +2918

    I'm still convinced Ed is a rogue that thinks he's a bard. Those lute sneak attacks were vicious.

    • @zoeborja5260
      @zoeborja5260 Рік тому +150

      That’s what my group was saying!!

    • @kerilithia
      @kerilithia Рік тому +405

      I'm pretty sure he started as a bard, multiclassed into rogue then wound up surpassing his original class in rogue levels.

    • @MaxwellKasper
      @MaxwellKasper Рік тому +46

      @@kerilithia I can dig it.

    • @atsukana1704
      @atsukana1704 Рік тому +138

      He also failed to use any bard abilities during the course of the movie

    • @MaxwellKasper
      @MaxwellKasper Рік тому +267

      @@atsukana1704 I'd debate that he was handing out inspiration like it was pocket change all movie, but not even a cantrip of casting? Come on, man.

  • @kortanul
    @kortanul Рік тому +475

    The movie was a game where the DM went, "Y'know what? Go for it" a lot and was just having fun getting his friends into the game after years of talking about it.

  • @torfinnzempel6123
    @torfinnzempel6123 Рік тому +782

    Agree 100%. I immediately caught that that was too many shifts, but still found it enjoyable.

    • @maddie9602
      @maddie9602 Рік тому +24

      Yeah, I was like "how high level is she?" Before ultimately deciding it didn't matter and acknowledging, as Ginny said, it's a fun sequence, who cares.
      Similarly, there's a moment where a caster probably should have been aware they were counterspelled, RAW, but it was a fun moment, and it doesn't need to strictly adhere to the rules, it just needs to capture the vibe of playing DnD, which I think it did rather well.

    • @jonsimpson6240
      @jonsimpson6240 Рік тому +6

      Old-school rules: you have x rounds per level wildshaped. They don't have to be consecutive.

    • @sethb3090
      @sethb3090 Рік тому +7

      All she did was wild shape, no spells, so it evens out

    • @durgum
      @durgum Рік тому +1

      The NPC sheets they made gave her 5, but 5 is still not 7 but its the movies.

    • @swspartanhwk
      @swspartanhwk Рік тому +1

      Well depends on the level cause if she was level 20 it was not too many

  • @PuddinTaim
    @PuddinTaim Рік тому +528

    Plot twist: She’s a 4th Edition Druid and can Wild Shape once per turn as a minor action.

    • @nathanielberele9174
      @nathanielberele9174 Рік тому +14

      Yes!

    • @davidstratton696
      @davidstratton696 Рік тому +33

      She’s specifically called a moon druid tho which is a 5e thing. Honestly it matters not tho it’s still fun af to watch.

    • @RamblingSailors
      @RamblingSailors Рік тому +54

      New player: Can I bring my 4th edition druid?
      DM: yeah, that should keep everyone guessing.

    • @Ewafingmyth
      @Ewafingmyth Рік тому +16

      Plot Untwist: she casted Polymorph

    • @davidstratton696
      @davidstratton696 Рік тому +9

      @@Ewafingmyth That makes more sense. Tho I don’t know y she would use up all her spell slots during that escape 😂. That also would explain y she’s able to transform into an owlbear.
      Also plot untwist? Never heard of that.

  • @GoodOldGamer
    @GoodOldGamer Рік тому +1605

    It's not a rule break. It's the DM ruling, "Yeah, that's cool." 👍

    • @PheonixLove
      @PheonixLove Рік тому +62

      same as the Owlbear moment😅
      I actually only learned that it's "illegal" for a druid to be able to turn into an Owlbear after watching a video posted by the DnD official account saying that it's ok because they said so😂😅

    • @mikewinans5091
      @mikewinans5091 Рік тому +58

      Also the fact that she didn’t cast any traditional spells throughout the movie has me thinking that there is some potential for a homebrew conversion of spell slots to wildshapes. There is precedent for using spell slots to fuel class features (see divine smite) and I don’t think it would break anything to give the Druid access to additional uses of wild shape in an adventuring day, especially if it’s their primary combat ability.

    • @TheRockinDonkey
      @TheRockinDonkey Рік тому +23

      @@PheonixLove Not gonna lie, at my table, if the narrative called for it, and I could workout a way that it didn't break the game, I would allow for it. Maybe a once a day kind of thing where the druid could only call upon it if they went into some kind of berserk mode because they were in an extreme situation.

    • @TheBreadsticc
      @TheBreadsticc Рік тому +20

      Yep! It was creative and clearly didnt break the encounter, so why not allow it? Rules lawyers are boring.

    • @bradwillis7415
      @bradwillis7415 Рік тому +2

      Exactly

  • @PheonixLove
    @PheonixLove Рік тому +1533

    BTW! the official DnD account released a video explaining that it's ok the druid could turn into an Owlbear because they said so😂😂
    which is exactly what a DM would do😅

    • @swadow1497
      @swadow1497 Рік тому +83

      One of my players wanted a pet owlbear and so overtime I more and more just transformed the owlbear into a beast type monster. Because like fuck it why not.

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag Рік тому +34

      It was considered a beast in older versions. DnD 5e is the outlier here.

    • @JaySwag77
      @JaySwag77 Рік тому +13

      Wait what is an owl bear considered now?

    • @nathans9764
      @nathans9764 Рік тому +29

      @@JaySwag77 It's a monstosity in 5E. Most "hybrid" creatures are monstrosities.

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag Рік тому +5

      @@JaySwag77 in 5e it's a Monstrosity.

  • @Owain9797
    @Owain9797 Рік тому +173

    My friend and I went on for like 15 minutes after watching it about all the little nitpicky things but, at the end of the day, as fun as it is to nitpick, it couldn’t matter less. The movie was super fun and that’s the thing that matters

    • @sethb3090
      @sethb3090 Рік тому +21

      Most importantly, it felt like D&D. the nonsense the party got up to was believably stuff players would come up with. The player setting off the trap midway through the explanation and then the DM making up another way for them to get across because crap, I didn't have a plan for what to do if they fail at this ("Um, sorcerer, roll Arcana. 8? Great. So you look at this walking stick and you realize...") was a perfect example.

  • @aeloswindrunner
    @aeloswindrunner Рік тому +319

    Agreed, it felt like it was true to the game while making things work for a different medium

    • @Noobie2k7
      @Noobie2k7 Рік тому

      The thing is though we've already had 2 full seasons now of Vox Machina which manages to be an entertaining and engaging visual medium while still staying in line with the actual rules and mechanics of the game and the player classes.
      There's not really an excuse.

    • @treaveannyretro92
      @treaveannyretro92 Рік тому +3

      ​@@Noobie2k7 tv and movies, even though they are both visual mediums, have different rules on how they make storytelling work
      There's also the frontier between live action and animation, which again have both pros and cons on how you need to tackle certain things

  • @TBoring
    @TBoring Рік тому +213

    I actually think the party was at level 17 and Doric was using Shapechange (she’s limited in what she can turn into because of her sheltered upbringing). Simon had access to some pretty high leveled spells and seemed pretty certain he could Counterspell the Time Stop indicating he had a 9th level slot.
    Also Ed may be credited as a Bard but he took the Valor Bard subclass at level 3 and then went Mastermind Rogue the rest of the way.

    • @TheGIJew.
      @TheGIJew. Рік тому +25

      According to their statblocks on d&d beyond they're all CR5 except for Xenk, and they're not direct 1:1 equivalents to normal character classes. There's no way any of them were equivalent to level 17. Technically you can counterspell any level spell with a third level slot, so the highest level spell we know Simon cast was Bigby's Hand

    • @TBoring
      @TBoring Рік тому +10

      @@TheGIJew.he does use Reverse Gravity (by accident but still). Also I think Simon is a Divine Soul Sorcerer (which is why he was asked to heal at the end) and he cast raise dead 4 times. He could have used Sorcery points for extra spell slots or just upcasted the spell.

    • @waves_under_stars
      @waves_under_stars Рік тому +27

      @@TBoring He didn't cast Raise Dead, He casted Speak With Dead, and he used a reflavored scroll to do it

    • @culturewarsdiplomacy
      @culturewarsdiplomacy Рік тому +4

      @@waves_under_starsneeeeeeerd, I was going to say that.

    • @TheGIJew.
      @TheGIJew. Рік тому +19

      @@TBoring He used a magic item to cast raise dead, and cast reverse gravity because of wild magic.

  • @lukehodge9026
    @lukehodge9026 Рік тому +14

    I think it also reflects her panic, where she was just wildly trying things without thinking it through, also she was already spotted as a fly so maybe she wanted something a bit more durable or faster.

  • @TheRealRobertG
    @TheRealRobertG Рік тому +182

    On dndbeyond they’ve made doric in a character pack. And on that stat sheet she only has 5 wild shapes per short/long rest. 😂

    • @hoid9407
      @hoid9407 Рік тому +61

      DM felt bad about the BBEG's Nat 20 perception roll, so Dorric got some leeway during all that

    • @AFLoneWolf
      @AFLoneWolf Рік тому +7

      Nerfed her

    • @Newnodrogbob
      @Newnodrogbob Рік тому +3

      Yeah, but didn’t she have a different ability that was basically the same, but with a different name?

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges Рік тому +1

      I just retconned the first rat and the cat morphs. They weren’t really needed, and I just imagined she just kept the fly and hawk morphs for those moments ^_^

    • @stbaf5070
      @stbaf5070 Рік тому

      Questionable: She could have the Druid 2 Wildshapes from the Druid Class and from her statblock the 5 Bonus Wildshapes as "special action" that include the Owlbear if wanted .. 2 regular + 5 special ability = 7 Wildshapes per Rest

  • @herbertkraft7379
    @herbertkraft7379 Рік тому +357

    I totally died at Meteor Swarm + Time Stop. Too many 9th level spellslots.

    • @forceoflazy
      @forceoflazy Рік тому +146

      I thought that was something like Melf's Minute Meteors. Those medium sized explosions aren't really what I'd imagine 40ft radius of 40d6 damage would look like.

    • @Veran42
      @Veran42 Рік тому +9

      Yeah she cast like 20 meteor swarms and I was sitting there with my friend and we both tried not to yell, still a fun movie though

    • @VinceValentine
      @VinceValentine Рік тому +6

      Could be an item?

    • @dragonearth5456
      @dragonearth5456 Рік тому +28

      @@forceoflazy would have been the older school meter swarm which is a lot of smaller attacks instead of the 4 big ones. Probably wasn’t meteor swarm though so idk.

    • @Sowde38
      @Sowde38 Рік тому +2

      Could have been a scroll...

  • @ryanroyce
    @ryanroyce Рік тому +20

    Doric had a homebrew subclass that allowed her to sacrifice her Spellcasting feature for infinite wild shapes that include monstrosities like the Owlbear. Doric's DM was cool like that. :)

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges Рік тому +2

      I would be tempted to take that offer. Wonder if it took a bonus action or a full action ^_^

    • @RamblingSailors
      @RamblingSailors Рік тому +1

      For casting no spells it had better be a bonus action. It gave her advantage in fights for sure.

    • @neebling
      @neebling Рік тому +3

      Okay I accept this headcanon. The whole time I was sitting there wondering why she hadn't cast a single spell. I like this much more.

    • @ryanroyce
      @ryanroyce Рік тому +3

      @@neebling it has since occurred to me that a subclass that allowed druids to spend spell slots to wildshape (and higher level spell slots to wildshape into non-beasts) would actually be really fun to play

    • @Nortarachanges
      @Nortarachanges Рік тому

      @@ryanroyce like an add on to Moon Druid or its own thing?

  • @silver_tongue_studio
    @silver_tongue_studio Рік тому +79

    I also think we are only applying 5e rules to this. There are plenty of 3.5e PrC's that allow this without making a character super powerful.

    • @Krypticklefist
      @Krypticklefist Рік тому +15

      This!! Also, while I don't think D&D One was necessarily considered for the movie, at 13th level a druid is free to shift forms freely as a bonus action

    • @Tailon42
      @Tailon42 Рік тому +7

      Thing is, they specifically called her a Moon Druid which would signify 5e in particular... and the only one to have their subclass called out, unless they did call our Sorcerer a wildmagic path

    • @XanderHarris1023
      @XanderHarris1023 Рік тому +10

      ​@@Tailon42 Simon said the anti gravity was Wild Magic but didn't necessarily claim that as his identity.

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag Рік тому +1

      ​@@XanderHarris1023 Okay but...that's not the same as outright using the words moon druid =)

    • @terra_the_nightingale135
      @terra_the_nightingale135 Рік тому +4

      @@Tailon42 the paladin is Oath of the Ancients since he mentioned the tenet of the ancients. I assume Simon was a wild magic sorcerer since they did say he used wild magic.

  • @deserabailey8500
    @deserabailey8500 Рік тому +36

    Lol yeah my hubby and i were talking about how she HAS to be level 20 to be able to do that immediately after the movie ended haha XD The deer joke was pretty funny though!

  • @gabbythegreat4962
    @gabbythegreat4962 Рік тому +9

    The final battle looked for a second like it was following turn-order, which was awesome. Would love to watch it in slo-mo to see if it actually was or if that was just how the fight choreo looked

    • @donovancall7237
      @donovancall7237 Рік тому +4

      It was following in turn order, btw! I think they confirmed it that there were about six seconds between that person's attacks.

    • @gabbythegreat4962
      @gabbythegreat4962 11 місяців тому +2

      @@donovancall7237 That's so cool! I saw it in theaters and was like "I hope that's what I'm seeing!" Thanks for replying!

  • @TheNeobuzzard
    @TheNeobuzzard Рік тому +28

    In her prequel book she does a crazy amount of wild shaping (is that what we call it) to the point I had to go reread what a druid could do in the phb

  • @katria2412
    @katria2412 Рік тому +21

    I totally agree. I play as a druid myself and I love the class, but I still think this scene was super fun. One of my favorites in the movie :D

  • @MGG87
    @MGG87 Рік тому +5

    For GinnyDi here and everyone else, there was a DM on set, helping them with mechanics and rules and such. The studio followed as much as they could, but said that for some things (especially with the Wild Shaping) they took the, "filmography over accuracy" approach. Which, it was totally worth it because, it was a great movie.

  • @sixoftwelve6363
    @sixoftwelve6363 Рік тому +41

    Agreed and I got the impression it wasn’t really based on 5e anyway but much more on 3.5. A lot of people complaining about the “rule breaks” aren’t considering other editions, just 5e, but it was a dnd movie, not a dnd 5th edition movie lol

    • @cinnastag
      @cinnastag Рік тому +7

      I think it's based on all versions. She's specifically called a Moon druid, which is a 5e thing. They took the best of all worlds...so everything except 4th edition

  • @mysql50
    @mysql50 Рік тому +14

    Ok, yes, but can we talk about how fabulous that green dress is! 💚💚💚

  • @MonaByMoonlight
    @MonaByMoonlight Рік тому +22

    I can't wait to see this movie, love your takes on it. Also I LOVE your dress! (& your fashion in general tbh)

  • @brianlewolfhunt
    @brianlewolfhunt Рік тому +5

    That druid escape scene was so much fun that I don't care that it broke the rules. :D

  • @critternovaturient8040
    @critternovaturient8040 Рік тому +5

    When the seal is broken by the helmet and immediately talk via sending stone right after

  • @Scott-np7sl
    @Scott-np7sl Рік тому +8

    That was probably my fav sequence in the movie. Really fun camera work.

  • @IrisDImtv
    @IrisDImtv Рік тому +10

    She also wildshapes while in full metal armor. She's definitely a Dungeon World's druid

    • @harrarswiftfang6682
      @harrarswiftfang6682 Рік тому +1

      And dungeon world is amazing

    • @_ion04
      @_ion04 Рік тому

      Are you referring to the horse armor?

    • @IrisDImtv
      @IrisDImtv Рік тому +3

      @@_ion04 nope, referring to when she enters a displayed full plate and tryes to blend in while fleeing from the castle

  • @carsonlake3842
    @carsonlake3842 Рік тому +10

    But also, I'm pretty sure she was using the ONE D&D playtest rules for a druid. With those rules, all of those wildshapes would still just count as one.

    • @andrecanis4894
      @andrecanis4894 Рік тому +3

      It was filmed in 2021, maybe it was the other way around and the new druid rules were inspired by the film?

  • @Birdman_LIVE
    @Birdman_LIVE Рік тому +19

    You’re 100% right. I have one. Not a rule break per say (and maybe it’s a leveling thing) but I liked how they dramatized attunement.

  • @noahstrube1027
    @noahstrube1027 Рік тому +1

    I really like how every character got one scene to really got to show off their skills in the movie. That was clearly hers, and it was super fun to watch.

  • @Ghost-lk2fc
    @Ghost-lk2fc Рік тому +4

    Even in an actual game, sometimes the rule of cool is the way to go, and house rules are always a good way to add balance and make it feel a bit more consistent, as well.

  • @serenawestphal9610
    @serenawestphal9610 Рік тому +6

    The bard wasn’t magic and no I don’t think I it was justified cause it just made him feel kinda lame and pointless. I was waiting for him to be giving everyone some bardic inspiration while they were fighting but nope. And the Druid never used spells she just transformed but I think that’s not a big deal. The bard just made me sad tho :(

    • @itwasidio1736
      @itwasidio1736 Рік тому +1

      You're absolutely right, but his whole narrative purpose is that he ties the whole group together as a strategist rather than mechanically during fights- he definitely didn't min-max like the other characters, which is fine, but DID give Bardic inspiration in how he spoke to each of them, helping them play to their strengths. Everyone asks FOR the manager, nobody asks ABOUT the manager, basically.

  • @amvcoven128
    @amvcoven128 Рік тому +5

    Watched the movie today. It was so good! It had lots of charm and fun moments.

  • @ajpetrina86
    @ajpetrina86 Рік тому +1

    Player: Can I spell slots for Wild Shapes?
    DM: Absolutely!

  • @EvanFarshadow
    @EvanFarshadow Рік тому +2

    I just like to think Doric is a level 20 Moon Druid that got permission from the DM to become an Owlbear

  • @pogeman2345
    @pogeman2345 Рік тому +3

    Someone in the comments section of a WatchMojo video talking about the D&D movie commented that it could be that she's a Master of Many Forms subclass from 3.5 which could explain the multiple wild shapes and how she could become an owlbear.

    • @ciucc3llone
      @ciucc3llone Рік тому

      Yes, added to the complete warrior's combat shapeshifter

  • @justanotherdayinthelife9841
    @justanotherdayinthelife9841 Рік тому +4

    Druids should be able to have more wild shapes than they do now. Balance it by making the druid drop out of a shape once they have reached the regular hp max of the animal OR the character (whichever comes first) in damage. Allow them to have as many wild shapes before rest as they have levels.

  • @icreatethingzz
    @icreatethingzz Рік тому +2

    As the Druid of the party, I looked to my dungeon master (who was watching the movie with me) during the entire wild shape scene. I was like “ I WANNA DO THAT PLEASEEEE “

  • @naten6981
    @naten6981 Рік тому +1

    The post credit scene should have been all the actors sitting around the table playing the game. (Kind of like in "1 for all")

  • @RIVERSRPGChannel
    @RIVERSRPGChannel Рік тому +26

    Agreed
    It was a good movie
    I didn’t like how the bard cast no spells.

    • @momosquad23
      @momosquad23 Рік тому +6

      On dnd beyond he has spells and I saw an article where it was stated he'll "level up" and have magic if they were blessed enough to be able to do a sequel

    • @Sowde38
      @Sowde38 Рік тому +9

      I think he's a rogue with a lute

    • @josephmorphew397
      @josephmorphew397 Рік тому +9

      I feel like he was a rouge with a couple levels in bard. If felt like he had the inspiring leader feat as well.

  • @bishfish7726
    @bishfish7726 Рік тому +96

    Rip Edgin who's a "bard" but has none of his class abilities :(

    • @katherineberger6329
      @katherineberger6329 Рік тому +24

      The way he casts is a lot more subtle than we expect from watching Scanlan Shorthalt, but he definitely casts several bardic spells.

    • @itwasidio1736
      @itwasidio1736 Рік тому +39

      You're absolutely right, but his whole narrative purpose is that he ties the whole group together as a strategist rather than mechanically during fights- he definitely didn't min-max like the other characters, which is fine, but DID give Bardic Inspiration in how he spoke to each of them, helping them play to their strengths. Everyone asks FOR the manager, nobody asks ABOUT the manager, basically.

    • @orsolyafekete7485
      @orsolyafekete7485 Рік тому +35

      You could very easily argue that he used Bardic Inspiration all the time, and even that he used Song of Rest isn't that big of a stretch

    • @TStalker013
      @TStalker013 Рік тому +13

      Edgin's an NPC. A plot device by the DM to get the group together and guide them through a heist campaign.

    • @SabertoothDeathmouse
      @SabertoothDeathmouse Рік тому +10

      I like to think that he more or less abandoned anything to do with being a harper, which included his bard abilities. Keeping his lute just for blending in. So, while he may have cast some things subconsciously, that's why we didn't see any overt castings.

  • @stuponfucious7
    @stuponfucious7 Рік тому +1

    The Red Wizard dodging MAGIC FREAKING MISSILE at the end was a rule break.

  • @duckmaster5512
    @duckmaster5512 3 місяці тому +1

    I think they should add a special version of wild shape where you can transform at will but, damage should carry over between all forms

  • @Badbart1967
    @Badbart1967 Рік тому +49

    Druids also can't transform into monsters, yet the movie has the druid change into an Owlbear.

    • @TheGIJew.
      @TheGIJew. Рік тому +6

      you didn't read the video description or the novel about Doric's backstory

    • @PheonixLove
      @PheonixLove Рік тому +21

      the DnD official account addressed this actually.
      they said it's possible in the movie because they said so.
      pulling a true DM move😂😅

    • @ArinaCoryn
      @ArinaCoryn Рік тому +4

      It's going to be officially possible once the new rulings/revamps drop in 2024

    • @vincentabramo7175
      @vincentabramo7175 Рік тому +5

      in older versions, they were able to.

    • @danbance5799
      @danbance5799 Рік тому +10

      Owlbears aren't monsters, they're just misunderstood.

  • @itsthatwhale
    @itsthatwhale Рік тому +8

    The other rule break is that she shouldn't be able to turn into an owlbear

  • @WolfricThorsson
    @WolfricThorsson Рік тому +1

    The druid using a metal dagger as well to chip at the stone through the portal lol

  • @flameofmage1099
    @flameofmage1099 Рік тому +1

    I'm glad I'm not the only one that counted the wildshapes lol

  • @GazpachoTabletop
    @GazpachoTabletop Рік тому +4

    I wish combat and wildshape and everything was more like how it was depicted in the movie
    BUT I understand that there is a huge difference between an on screen adaptation and a game with multiple players all with cool things to do
    As a DM, I will try to implement more of what was in the movie however, as that's just what I like. Dael from @MonarchsFactory on @GhostfireGaming said maybe a druid could use their spell slots for more wildshapes and I am here for that kind of game

  • @dohrniigamesgamedesign8030
    @dohrniigamesgamedesign8030 Рік тому +1

    Each different canvas of storytelling has it's own ways to work, that's why in videogames you need several bullets to die or several slashes, it's not about accuracy or realism, it's about what fits best

  • @Omega_Orion
    @Omega_Orion Рік тому

    That was like the one thing I pointed out to my mom as not being possible in the rules, but it also helped me segue into "The Rule of Cool" and homebrew as a whole. The idea that even the filmmakers weren't forced to abide by the rules we'll ignore sometimes makes me so happy

  • @allaryin
    @allaryin Рік тому +2

    The rockie-talkies Simon hands out are very different than a standard sending stone pair. My kids noticed that one ;)

  • @AndromedaCripps
    @AndromedaCripps Рік тому

    My DM and fellow player who I went to see the film with spent the e tire car ride home pointing out all the little inaccuracies 😂😂😂 But we had the same exact thought about all of them that you expressed here: We didn’t mind!! The movie did a good job of showing off and making a film out of the game mechanics, even if they weren’t exactly accurate. They still payed homage to all the fun times we as players and DMs remember from all our games ❤️
    The first one I can think of off the top of my head is the Speak with Dead. They made it 5 questions like a Contact Other Plane, even though Speak with Dead is one of the few where you just get to chat infinitely in the 1 minute or 10 minutes or whatever it is that the duration is! But that shows off the funny quirky flavor of so many other DnD spells like Contact Other Plane that have those “arbitrary numbers” involved, while using a much more lower-level and accessible spell that keeps the energy of the movie at a good place early on. Like, they couldn’t exactly have them contacting an Archdevil to ask a question 30 minutes in 😂😂😂
    Also the Wildshape!!! She transforms into an Owlbear which isn’t a Beast, so for Wildshape or polymorph it would be impossible!!
    OH and a bonus one which was weirdly very specifically accurate 😂 The Paladin!!! First scene with him, he is seen talking to a fish and gently calming it down to get it to cough up the tabaxi child. And the first thing I thought was “Umm, Speak with Animals or Dominate Beast or whatever isn’t on the Paladin list”. BUT THEN LATER when he is about to leave the party, he gives this whole speech that starts with “I remember the Tenets of the Ancients” and I went “HEY!!! An Oath of the Ancients Paladin is all about protecting nature; they totally have spells like that on their list!!!!” And sure enough, Ancients Paladins so get Speak with Animals! So that one is weirdly nichely quite accurate when it totally didn’t have to be 😂

  • @annalachelt7441
    @annalachelt7441 8 місяців тому

    It was also some REALLY REALLY cool special effects!! Loved the wild shapes!

  • @ZedKingsley
    @ZedKingsley Рік тому +1

    Saw an interesting theory that Doric has so many “wildshapes” and doesn’t cast any spells… because the player asked their DM if they could flavor their spells as if they were turning into animals.

  • @teamcybr8375
    @teamcybr8375 Рік тому +1

    They chose to prioritize the energy of a D&D session over the mechanics, and I think that was a good call.

  • @Riot_Bird
    @Riot_Bird Рік тому +1

    Honestly, it makes it feel more realistic to how someone would actually act if they could shape shift

  • @pottersdog
    @pottersdog Рік тому

    Occasionally I grant druids one or two additional transformations (dependant) whenever that wouldn't involve them exhausting themselves and only outside combat etc since it gives them more options for solving problems with flavour and creativity whilst the rest of the party are sprinting at the speed of sound across the map, reading peoples minds etc. I've seen the table really enjoy it when the druid used it to mess with an npc and frame someone for something hilarious. It's then that they realised they didn't need combat to solve every confrontation or quest and started gelling as a group. You can also give them the option for an extra transformation in a dire situation but only into a small/tiny creature if you want a more combat based house roll, basically if they fail to escape and regroup after that they have so few hp that the enemy can one hit them but it gives them and the party a small chance to survive the encounter.

  • @highgrove8545
    @highgrove8545 Рік тому

    I like the idea that most of her wildshapes was just reflavoured spells and saving throws.
    Like the deer is longstride and the cat is a dex saving throw

  • @Micaerys
    @Micaerys Рік тому +2

    To me it made complete sense. To allow Simon to be the magical guy in the team they took away Doric's opportunities to use her own, so instead they allowed her to turn her Wild Shapes into her iconic move, her specialty

    • @_ion04
      @_ion04 Рік тому +2

      Also why we see the bard do skill checks, bardic inspiration, and strategy, instead of spellcasting.

    • @Micaerys
      @Micaerys Рік тому

      @@_ion04 Same reason. If we have magical guy Vs magical guy who's also an strategist and musician, the first one is less interesting, so they left Edgin with his natural charm and sharp mind, and his magic is less... Visual

  • @24kRobot
    @24kRobot Рік тому

    Excellent and spot on opinion!! I’m so glad you understand not to get hung up on the deets, so to speak. It was a fun introduction and still a great fan service. Sometimes, in story telling especially a visually one requires some liberties.

  • @derleonator2232
    @derleonator2232 Рік тому +1

    It was like her player said: "Can I have more wildshapes with progressing levels instead of going from 2 to unlimited and therefore give up spellcasting. Oh and can I turn into an owlbear?"
    And the DM allowed it, turning her not into a caster but instead into a martial that can turn into animals for combat and utility

  • @taliabatten6042
    @taliabatten6042 Рік тому +2

    I heard a couple people they were using 3e for the druid rules. Apparently there were 3e rules for excessive wildshaping and magical creature wildshapes. The producer played 3e.

    • @jasonreed7522
      @jasonreed7522 Рік тому

      They also appeared to distill each class into a specific role.
      Wizard/sorcerer == magic user
      Druid == turns into animals
      Barbarian == good martial fighter
      Bard == party face, inspiration, music
      Paladin == holier than thou, powerful martial fighter
      Besides its almost impossible to break the rules of DnD when the first rule is that the DM can modify the rules as they see fit for their game. (The DMG is a book not a cop)

  • @thoughtgaming492
    @thoughtgaming492 Рік тому +1

    The movie followed the rules in the right places and broke the rules in the right places. 7 wildshapes, 2 9th level spell slots, turning into an owlbear, etc etc etc are all excellent additions for the movie and were well used.

  • @ShaunO1225
    @ShaunO1225 Рік тому +1

    My SIL played a druid and gave an interesting compromise to the WildShape limits. Rather then just general use have a time limit between rests. This way she could use multiple shapes but still only be in animal form for no more then an hour (2 hours)

  • @hellofend4734
    @hellofend4734 11 місяців тому

    "there's a wildshape *among us*" - red wizard, antagonist

  • @JaxsonNute2005
    @JaxsonNute2005 Рік тому

    I also found it funny that the paladin npc walks in a straight line after he departs from the party

  • @nyorumi5221
    @nyorumi5221 Рік тому +1

    That moment when the dm says yes because they want to see it happen too

  • @frederickayer3602
    @frederickayer3602 Рік тому +1

    Potential alternate wild shape rules: choose standard WILD shape with 1/2 level number of HOURS in the SAME Beast, OR WILDER shape with level number of ROUNDS allowing shifting forms each round as a bonus action.
    Thoughts? Either way im using it has a DM for future games, would love some balance/hole-poking suggestions

  • @user-vt7ip2dg1u
    @user-vt7ip2dg1u 10 місяців тому +1

    When she turned into an owl bear

  • @AlexanderofThebes
    @AlexanderofThebes Рік тому

    A nice fan theory is that the table playing this game has just flavored her spells into wildshape like a cat has featherfall, deer having longstrider, etc

  • @patatebleue6408
    @patatebleue6408 Рік тому

    What me and my friends thought was that it was probably like a house rule and their DM decided that wild shape was like a time period where you can shapeshift as much as you want during that time.

  • @iandaughdrill5889
    @iandaughdrill5889 Рік тому

    I spent most of the movie thinking the tiefling was a satyr. I realized when she used her tail for the thing with the portal.

  • @danielleboon1543
    @danielleboon1543 10 місяців тому

    I loved how they showed Simon being distracted when he had that mirror image of Ed, where the image started repeating and looking all warped. Totally not how it plays in the game, but hilarious and totally worth the deviation

  • @ChasoGod
    @ChasoGod Рік тому

    Since her primary wildshape is the owlbear I didn't mind she used multiple ones during the escape sequence as it was just flavorful.

  • @Vercopaanir
    @Vercopaanir Рік тому +1

    I did notice the 7 wild shapes but the movie was so fun that by the time I got home I had forgotten and never went to check my PHB 😂 and I totally agree, it was way more interesting this way!

  • @RETRODIBUS
    @RETRODIBUS Рік тому

    I think that scene represented exactly what they wanted to do with the OneDnd druid that has a feature to shapeshift multiple times between harmless critters for the duration of 1 wildshape.

  • @twistednwarped314
    @twistednwarped314 Рік тому

    Don't forget the owl bear transformation. Even an archdruid isn't pulling that one off.

  • @HistorysRaven
    @HistorysRaven Рік тому +1

    My favorite rule break is her change into the owlbear. And the reason I like it is the reason she gives in a comic: She doesn't see owlbears as "monstrosities". Which, given her backstory, makes complete sense.

    • @Konpekikaminari
      @Konpekikaminari Рік тому

      same
      personally I think it's an absolute travesty how the official lore of the owlbear- the most normal and believable of all fantasy beasts, is "this is a monstrosity created by a wizard!"

  • @Calex55KH
    @Calex55KH Рік тому

    I noticed first that it was during a scene with JUST the druid while they were separate from the rest of the party. I could definitely see a DM choosing to workshop a scene with a player and disregard some rules just to add some flavor on the occasion of "splitting the party" in such a way, especially a druid, rogue, or ranger who's sneakin around could probably just be decided by a couple of sneak, investigation, and maybe acrobatics/athletics rolls

  • @roamingbloodmane482
    @roamingbloodmane482 Рік тому

    There was the owl bear wild shape but that is as simple as the dm saying "sure I'll allow it"

  • @matrixiekitty2127
    @matrixiekitty2127 Рік тому

    You explained adaptations so well!! You’re right, it’s not about accuracy as much as it is respect for the original source material! There are just some things that don’t work in film and visa versa

  • @Edmar_Thorn
    @Edmar_Thorn Рік тому

    Another rule break was the post credit scene where the guy raised with speak with the dead was still there waiting for the question but the spell only lasts 10 minutes, but stayed up because rule of cool

  • @S4R1N
    @S4R1N Рік тому

    Agreed, the way I see it, what we saw was an entire campaign compressed into 2 hours. So I think it's fair to see character abilities compressed into a single scene for cool factor.

  • @ianbrinton
    @ianbrinton Рік тому

    Older additions handed out wild shape all the time. With feats and prestige classes, the druid in our 3.5 campaign can wild shape about 17 times a day at level 14.

  • @Casey093
    @Casey093 Рік тому

    Doric's low-power shapeshifting is what all every druid player ask for since the release of 5e. :D

  • @Tor469
    @Tor469 11 місяців тому

    Possible homebrew rule that allows you to repeatedly change shape while in wild shape, but only during the hour. Maybe a moon druid thing

  • @SonoranD
    @SonoranD Рік тому

    Well said! The one rule they always followed in the movie was the rule of cool
    I see other people pointing out the other obvious one, which is the Owlbear, because it's a "monster," same rule follows.
    For the movie it was so cool to see!

  • @embyr3000
    @embyr3000 Рік тому +1

    Also to note is that Doric (iirc) doesn't use any other magic. This was probably so a viewer that's not familiar with DnD wouldn't get confused by all of the differences between how different classes can cast magic, but it also lets you explain it away by just saying "well, this was a homebrew circle for the druid. They were allowed to cast wildshape at will and with less restrictions on what they transformed to, but they gave up being able to use any other spells." At the end of the day, DnD is a collaborative storytelling game, the rules are there to give guidance and help the story flow but they shouldn't get too much in the way of the story itself.

  • @heartofdawnlight
    @heartofdawnlight 9 місяців тому +1

    most notable rule break i can think of is whn they split the party

  • @r3dbear
    @r3dbear Рік тому

    She also wild shapes into an OWLBEAR twice or thrice, which is a MONSTROSITY, & wild shape only works with BEASTS

  • @BlondieHound1
    @BlondieHound1 Рік тому

    My Gf pointed out that there is a homebrew rule about burning spell slots for wild shape. I've heard I before but I think at the time our druid didn't really need it for me to dive into the way it works.

  • @georgem1874
    @georgem1874 Рік тому

    In past editions there have been ways for druids to be able to change shapes many times. Much like being able to wildshape into an owlbear was also possible.

  • @destructionverse5557
    @destructionverse5557 Рік тому

    The hour long sending stone change makes sense for movie especially considering the actual things only give you 25 words

  • @505DGuy
    @505DGuy Рік тому

    There's a possibility that Doric is using the spell animal shapes which would allow her to change into different animals as an action on each turn

  • @Jeffin8or
    @Jeffin8or Рік тому

    My headcanon since the first trailer has been that she IS a level 20 archdruid. This explains the wild shapes AND the owlbear, since she'd have access to shapechange

  • @bkgcosplay5873
    @bkgcosplay5873 7 місяців тому

    Me personally do homebrews like this all the time for my dnd game. We had our druid change a few times because it was out of combat or a less important moment you can go through as many as you like. During combat and 'imporant moments' also limited to 2 but for purely roleplay purposes it was great fun!

  • @knightx605
    @knightx605 Рік тому

    Which is why I honestly would want to change wildshape rules to where you have at max 8 slots or so. But the kicker is that each slot is worth 1/4th cr. If you want higher CR, then you have to do more slots spent. If you are moon druid, you get more slots. Total number by normal druid rules would be to CR 1 Twice. (Forgot if base druids go to two or not)

  • @josephpatterson78
    @josephpatterson78 Рік тому

    It's the cinematic equivalent of the Rule of Cool, and dear LORD, was it marvelously executed.

  • @OhioPuppy
    @OhioPuppy 6 місяців тому

    A voice of benevolent sanity. Thank you.