Bayonetta lore is so interesting and extensive but it can get overlooked because of gameplay taking focus. The Paradiso/Angel aesthetic is TOP tier! Thank you for making these videos!
Fun fact about the Auditio! They all are named after virtues but somehow go against them. Fortitude tries to stop Bayonetta from fighting. Temperantia is angered at the damage done to him. Iustitia only desires justice for the angles. Sapientia is rude and not the nicest angel to both Bayonetta and Jeanne.
@@haaendaaz3619 Yeah! But usually, you do not have to snap at someone to get a point across. Sapientia is supposed to represent wisdom, but doesn't have the wisdom to not interfere with the Umbra fighting, let alone not talk down to them. I found it interesting!
Weren’t they more like theirs virtues during the Witch Hunts and that it was Bayonetta from the future fighting them that made them change battle strategies or something?
I love the characterization of the Auditios are the opposite of what they represent, Fortitudo discourage Bayonetta to stop fighting and runs away the first time she face him. Temperantia being of templance looses control mid battle and starts screaming, Sapientia the prudence get cocky with Bayonetta and see her as inferior
Fortitudo never tried to discourage Bayonetta from fighting, he just said that *he* had no reason to fight *her.* One could also argue that "Temperance" doesn't specifically refer to one's emotional state. of course you're on the money when it comes to Sapientia. That guy's a conceited piece of scrap.
@@odin9628 What bravery is there in beating up on someone whose only crime is waking you up and making threats you don't think she can keep? Fortitudo had no reason to be afraid of Bayonetta, and he *certainly* wasn't scared of her in their final fight.
@@christopherbravo1813 He still *did* technically back out of a fight- that's like being a battle-readied soldier gloating about how brave they are to the point that you have a NICKNAME for it, and then running away the second you are at the disadvantage.
One thing I noticed about Golem is how Aesir's Golem is better than the one made by Lumen and the Umbra, Aesir's can melt it's whole body to create brand new shapes like a t-1000 terminator while the Bayonetta 1 golem has to settle with rearranging it's cubes to make shapes which limits the forms it can take. Also Aesir's golem can straight up teleport on it's own, without the aid of portals and is much faster in battle with a bigger moveset.
Bayonetta as a whole from lore to gameplay is such a good game . Kamiya himself said he really wants to do worldbuilding in bayonetta and I can see that here
@@wayverleesoulsongBayonetta 3 is no different from other games in terms of word building, just like all the others, you really need to stop and read the information that the game gives you, just like in the first game where you had to go after the books to find out more about the history of the Umbra Witches and the Lumen Sages, but most people prefer to simply ignore these things and wait for the game to explain the whole story to them.
26:03 a bit of a fun fact about grace and glory, they have the exact same body type as Verdugo from resident evil 4 (2005), minus the scorpion-like tail
It's impressive that Bayonetta managed to make angels, holy beings of light extremely frightening since they come in different shapes and sizes, speak a language most people can't understand and are so dangerous even a child is not safe in their presence while hiding their nightmarish biology under a layer of gold and marble.
I completely ADORE you for this video I was thirsty of the complete lore of bayonetta's angels stuffed in a one video! I literally watched it for 1 hour straight without a break
It's always the hidden stars making the most intriguing and interesting videos, It's a pity that you aren't as popular to let the rest of bayonetta fandom grasp your creativity!
Same i really want to learn more about them other than „they are the opposite of the unbranded witches“ since we already explored the witches now the Luman sages can shine(heh)
I really want to see the angels and lumens get more shine, we were robbed of lumen sage bayo in. Bayo 3 where we could have seen how powerful they are when not seen as just enemies for bayo to beat. I hope we get one that’s actually on our side Nita baldur situation.
great work with these. These angels are absolutely my favorite depiction in most of anything. as a religious person myself i think platinum games nailed it!
In recent times. The Enochian meanings of Ziracha and Hononol used to summon Fortitudo and Temperentia differ. They are associated with zodiacs but different ones, and in some cases they mean Angelic king of South and west respectively.
Great and super observational video. Are you going to do one on the Homunculi enemies from the third game? Admittedly I wasn't a big fan of them at first compared to the angels and demons but through some reading of the in game logs and wiki they seem just as interesting. It's neat that they're all named after different types of clouds
genuinely thank you so much for this video. i’ve been always highly interested in the angels that appear in bayonetta, watching this was super interesting
Very nice video, I really love the angels of Paradiso and would love to see more of them or at least more "positive" interactions with them, say, with something like a Lumen Sage spin off.
I've entertained the thought of an RTS set in Bayonetta's world. There's already loads of potential for units, and it could allow for a chance to flesh out the histories of the Umbra and Lumen much more. Perhaps with more individually inclined Angels that can be *seen* helping out mankind and acting as aides/advisors. And if we go into kinda fanfic-y territory, mayhaps it could open up the way for splinter groups of main factions, that could be more inclined to moderation or radical extremes.
@@jurtheorc8117 I've entertained that same RTS idea. Actually I pretend to study game developing just to put my ideas in action. I already have a good idea about the story.
40:56 I think Glamor might be a reference to the Chalkydri which are mythical creatures from the Second Book of Enoch that have the head of a crocodile, the legs of a lion, have twelve wings, and are colored purple “like the rainbow”. Artistic depictions usually include rainbow colors as a reference. I believe they are associated with the Phoenix in bringing the sun’s light and warmth to the earth. It brings the morning dew while it sings, alerting birds that the sun is rising.
Great video! Excellently put together. To me, the relationship between Paradiso and Inferno in Bayonetta lore is more similar to Order vs Chaos than good vs evil.
Idk if someone said this but maybe the word "Bieth" is in reference to being a variant of the name Beatrix that means "she who is holly" or "she who brings happiness" :0
For me, this is actually the most interesting thing about the Bayonetta series. It's really unique, to me at least, to see angelic creatures this creatively designed, this inspired, and just this... cool. Mainly speaking in regards to Hack-and-Slash/Character Action type games. Heck, angels in general don't get a lot of focus on that front in hack-and-slashers, compared to demons. Big comment incoming, so my apologies if it gets boring, but here's what I have noticed regarding angels and heavenly stuff in these types of games when Christian bases and inspirations are involved: -The Darksiders series is the next one in this franchise, that has angels deeply fleshed-out and well-established, with the Truce of Heaven and Hell until the End Times would arrive. There's a good amount of angel characters and even some angelic locations-- though deeper insight in their society seems to mainly be reserved for the Abomination Vault novel. Hell and the demons get more screentime and showcasing of their realms, I'd say. Helps that in the series, they actually have won the pre-emptive End War. -Aside from that, there's Dante's Inferno, and even then you only get to see Gabriel (i think) for a short cutscene, and actually *play* as one: St. Lucia in the Trials of St. Lucia DLC, who seems pretty cool. But the game is still, for nigh its entirety, set in Hell (and pretty awesomely at that), where both demons *and* sinners are opponents. The bestiary does clarify that Lucifier and the specific, classic goat-horned-and-hoofed enemies are former angels that now act as jailers and torturers of the sinners. -The Lords of Shadows' games main character is named Gabriel, and the Lord and the Heavens are often spoken about-- but that's the closest we get. Once again, demons are present here-- but focus lie more so on earthly horrors. Starting with goblins and lycans, to ghouls and walking skeletons, imps and living armors, giant spiders and living scarecrows, mandrakes, and of course vampires. Which is also a very cool route to be walking for enemy designs. -And DmC doesn't even seem to *have* Heaven or actual angels as a thing. I read a few times that angels in the DmC franchise are actually another variant of Demonic creatures. (Bonus one: Least known of all of these, there's Knight's Contract, and focus there is on witches and folklore. But I believe neither demons nor angels really appear as such) I don't gravitate towards the super-blow-the-roof-off-this-multi-roofed-cathedral-then-repair-the-roofs-and-build-a-few-new-ones-then-do-it-all-over-again level of over-the-topness, general camp and turbo-overpoweredness of the main character and series as a whole in Bayonetta Personally, my leanings more towards the aforementioned Darksiders series, Soulstice, and Heavenly Sword (amongst a few others, like Marlow Briggs and the Mask of Death, Lords of Shadow 1 and 2, and Dante's Inferno). Be it main characters, tone, world or other factors-- or a mix of them. And yet, like I said before, a number of the Angel designs have kept on holding my attention, and the lore and reasonings behind their names that comes with them. So, while I may be a stranger on the internet, I do appreciate the effort and time that you have put into making this video! It's really cool, and I thank you for having made it. Wish you and anyone else who reads this a good rest of their week, and take care as well as a cookie when nobody's looking.
I really do love the juxtaposition of angelic creatures looking like monsters or more conceptual entities instead of the human with angel look they usually have. Thank you for your comment and well wishes. I hope you also have a great week!
@@UmbranLumen That's a big part of why I love it, as well as how in-depth Bayonetta went with the strict hierarchy. There's a system in place, logic for the names, and at the moment, it's just... unique. I wouldn't mind a game set in the Bayonetta universe where one could *play* as creatures from Paradiso or Inferno. An RTS in this series' universe (not counting the multiverse crud) I think could be legitimately cool. Or do something like a mix of God Hand and Darksiders Genesis' Creature Core system: Defeat enemies to make them drop a specific attack or effect enhancer, slot that attack/enhancer onto a "tree", and customize one's loadout going from there. (Sidenote regarding Darksiders: I do truly hope that in further Darksiders games, Heaven (and other realms) get explored more in-depth as well. The angels there generally take the winged humanoid look, but I think are still interesting. Would love to see proper Ophanim and/or Cherubim. Most interesting angel in that series thus far is Jamaerah the Scribe, who looks like what happened if a Putto grew up to be an adult) You are most welcome, and thank you very much in turn! And if it's alright to ask, what's your personal history with the Bayonetta series? And what made you start this channel?
Well, I was drawn to Bayonetta because of the designs of the characters, the enemies, and the weapons. When I played for the first time, I was hooked because of the amount of fun it was and how satisfying the gameplay is. I have Pure Platinum'd all 3 games, and I just enjoy it as my favorite video game series. I started this channel because I wanted to share my findings about the origins of the names and descriptions you find in the lore books outside the main story and so people could watch and maybe share their own discoveries too. I am a sucker for nods to pop culture, mythology, and legends, and this series had a lot!
@@UmbranLumen My apologies for the late reply! Thank you for taking the time out of your day to write out such a big reply to my own question. Oh dang, pure platinum all 3 of them? That's testament to how much you love the series as a whole, amidst all its fumbles and stumbles. I'm all here for nods and references to pop culture and mythology as well! For people to start. That being the jumping off point for people to set up channels on YT, or something similar, to document that kind of knowledge is awesome to see. I don't know how interested you'd be in venturing into other hack-and-slash titles, but if you ever want to delve into Aztec mythology, the Divine Comedy, and/or more aspects of Christianity mixed with some other assorted, pre-Abrahamic mythology, i'd recommend checking out Marlow Briggs and the Mask of Death, Dante's Inferno (the game) and the Darksiders series respectively. Dante's Inferno especially goes to quite a lot of lengths to depict Hell as truly horrible (in a good way) as it could, while still holding true to the descriptions of the poem, and outright quoting it at points. While also giving an own spin to a lot of it. Darksiders is more all over the place, but for me was how I became known with the tale of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in the first place. It does firmly carve out its own universe and mythology out of these tales, though. Stuff like there being worlds in Creation outside of Heaven, Hell and the Kingdom of Man, with Heaven and Hell being the two biggest and most prominent, for example. Darksiders 2 does a lot to expand the world of the universe. Darksiders 3 Dials it back again, more concentrated on Earth where Fury faces off against the Seven Deadly Sins (and Lust is depicted ESPECIALLY fantastically. A lot more interestingly than Dante's Inferno). But Darksiders Genesis swings back into more interesting naming conventions, where it concerns the main bosses' names. Such as Mammon and Moloch. Apologies if this gushing got annoying, but if you took the time to read through this all-- thank you for doing so, and thank you again for giving me your time of day to reply!
Bro did you secretly make this because you too, is heavily f**king disappointed with the lack of Angels in Bayo3? Because if so, thank you. I get to see my precious angels again
@@UmbranLumen I watched the whole thing just waiting... and waiting... bro my soul at the end of the playthrough was legit depressed. I got a small dopamine rush seeing bayo1/2 at the end since I was so starved for something familiar. The only things I absolutely loved were Baal, Madama and Rosa's weapons/Umbran Tower. Even then, what a waste with Rosa :(
Could Fairness also reference the sun god Ra in some way, based on it's head ornament and its head looks just like that of Ra, but gold? Idk, it just passed my mind when watching this video.
Personally, I cannot view the Angels of Bayonetta as being "evil". Whatever their methods-and arguments can be made to justify their actions throughout the first game-their ultimate goal is to restore reality to it's original state. Now before anyone here goes "Oh they were going to kill all of humanity!" First of all, you don't *know* that because that is never said to be the case in any of the games in which they appear, and second, let's not pretend that we humans haven't been slaughtering each other in droves for the past ten thousand years, among other horrific acts. If these Angels really wanted to eradicate humanity, they'd be well within their rights to do so.
Most likely an Angel at Dea status. In Christianity, God is seen as one and also as a trinity, what if the Dea sphere is Jubileus, Rodin and Omne (maybe/placeholder).
I hope they return so much more fun to fight then the homunculi I like fighting people however I want not having to do this first or solely rely on this. Or get in for two seconds then be pushed out or just pushed out until a certain amount of damage is done. Fun ones to me where any human one the giant fat guys the flower turrets and I might be missing some. Even the bosses aren’t as good only fun ones to me where the witches. Just because it was fluent combat..The homunculi bosses besides a couple like the bull guy where all singularity meaning they have no unique personalities it’s just singularity being a broken record. In some giant blob of whatever. They witches didn’t cling to a wall or to far in front of you where it’s hard to hit them or the floor is lava where ur constantly hopping platforms along with that, that happens 3-4 bosses. Combine that with enemy push back it happens a lot. Some angels/demons are annoying to fight as where some bosses before but they should learn from them 1 was really rough in some parts in 2 u could get them in witch time like the shield guys wicked weaves will break them and strong enough attacks to them and witch time will catch baldur and stuff. All games had flaws but I had fun in all of them they improved some stuff. I’m glad the angels and demons were fightable but not all of them. I hope they are more than side verses next game.
I believe some are. At least some of the angels and demons are confirmed to be born of people's emotions or feelings. It's pretty cool to think how important the Human World/World of Chaos is to the Trinity of Realities and how they all influence each other.
.....a thought what if an Angel betrays Paradiso and now we as Viola and an unnamed Lumen Sage have to defeat it......ugh I have a mind of a mastermind, cause I'm just so creative like that
Fu fact about the second sphere powers:Worship. They didn't choose this name arbitrarely, As it's name is a pun. saying it outloud sound sounds like the phrase (war-ship) which is exactly what worship is. A war ship
It's the other way around. After the Lumens die, they can choose to go to paradiso, or sacrefise themselves to be a part of the angel worship. Which is thought to be "the purest form of bliss"
I want to see the species angels . They break the rules so much I pretty sure they feed everyone to worship indiscriminately and not just sages and of course lie to humans about paradise being ...,well a paradise so that they can never none Laguna or pias humans that that have reincarnation aren't common ,Said for a few that probably took a territory of of heaven of stay on the run and can't experience the peace they're supposed to . Had they gone where they aught to have gone it would have been cool to see some actually nice angel with not creepy baby faces and maybe no feathers either . Maybe even one that Bayonetta almost kills for being like madam butter fly but he's a cockroach 🤣
I’m actually on paradiso’s side. They want to create a world where light rules over all. And based on the naming scheme, light = good, darkness = bad. So a world ruled by good is what we need
How? The only people they killed were those who would become angels after death and as established, willfully want. The other people they killed were the umbran witches, whose entire culture surrounds grooming children to sell their souls to demons and get them damned to hell for eternity. The angels were in the right
@@KELOPHE they were literally going to mass genocide the entire universe and reset it in the first game when they planned on bringing jubileus back. That is the entire plot and of bayonetta 1 aside from cereza trying to find her memories.
@@Fartstopper because of how life works in bayonetta, much like real life noone truly dies. those who die will be brought back in a universe where light and good rule over all.
Bayonetta lore is so interesting and extensive but it can get overlooked because of gameplay taking focus. The Paradiso/Angel aesthetic is TOP tier! Thank you for making these videos!
Thank you!
I agree
Fun fact about the Auditio!
They all are named after virtues but somehow go against them.
Fortitude tries to stop Bayonetta from fighting.
Temperantia is angered at the damage done to him.
Iustitia only desires justice for the angles.
Sapientia is rude and not the nicest angel to both Bayonetta and Jeanne.
isnt sapientia wisdom and knowledge?
@@haaendaaz3619 Yeah! But usually, you do not have to snap at someone to get a point across. Sapientia is supposed to represent wisdom, but doesn't have the wisdom to not interfere with the Umbra fighting, let alone not talk down to them. I found it interesting!
@@breadsticks2202 thanks!!
Weren’t they more like theirs virtues during the Witch Hunts and that it was Bayonetta from the future fighting them that made them change battle strategies or something?
This doesnt make any sense
I absolutely LOOOVE the angels in Bayonetta. They're definitely some of the most creative depictions or angels I've seen in games this far.
They took inspiration from book of Ezekiel.
I love the characterization of the Auditios are the opposite of what they represent, Fortitudo discourage Bayonetta to stop fighting and runs away the first time she face him. Temperantia being of templance looses control mid battle and starts screaming, Sapientia the prudence get cocky with Bayonetta and see her as inferior
Fortitudo never tried to discourage Bayonetta from fighting, he just said that *he* had no reason to fight *her.* One could also argue that "Temperance" doesn't specifically refer to one's emotional state.
of course you're on the money when it comes to Sapientia. That guy's a conceited piece of scrap.
@@christopherbravo1813Fortitudo still goes: “naw fuck this,” and runs twice. He's supposed to represent bravery.
@@odin9628 What bravery is there in beating up on someone whose only crime is waking you up and making threats you don't think she can keep? Fortitudo had no reason to be afraid of Bayonetta, and he *certainly* wasn't scared of her in their final fight.
@@christopherbravo1813 He still *did* technically back out of a fight- that's like being a battle-readied soldier gloating about how brave they are to the point that you have a NICKNAME for it, and then running away the second you are at the disadvantage.
Prob referencing many hypocritical Christians. As people at the top r usually full of BS
One thing I noticed about Golem is how Aesir's Golem is better than the one made by Lumen and the Umbra, Aesir's can melt it's whole body to create brand new shapes like a t-1000 terminator while the Bayonetta 1 golem has to settle with rearranging it's cubes to make shapes which limits the forms it can take. Also Aesir's golem can straight up teleport on it's own, without the aid of portals and is much faster in battle with a bigger moveset.
I see it as humans trying to re-create something made by a god so it is powerful but nothing compares to the original created by Aesir.
Bayonetta as a whole from lore to gameplay is such a good game . Kamiya himself said he really wants to do worldbuilding in bayonetta and I can see that here
If only he did that with Bayonetta 3
@@wayverleesoulsong Because there was definitely no world building in Bayo3. /s
@@wayverleesoulsongBayonetta 3 is no different from other games in terms of word building, just like all the others, you really need to stop and read the information that the game gives you, just like in the first game where you had to go after the books to find out more about the history of the Umbra Witches and the Lumen Sages, but most people prefer to simply ignore these things and wait for the game to explain the whole story to them.
26:03 a bit of a fun fact about grace and glory, they have the exact same body type as Verdugo from resident evil 4 (2005), minus the scorpion-like tail
Thought they were simian or based on Gemini from astrology, but apparently not 😂
39:30 A theory I love about Joy is that they look and act like that because they're mimicking Jubileus
It's impressive that Bayonetta managed to make angels, holy beings of light extremely frightening since they come in different shapes and sizes, speak a language most people can't understand and are so dangerous even a child is not safe in their presence while hiding their nightmarish biology under a layer of gold and marble.
Idk beloved and joy seem to be relatively caring and safe with kids
Well, these angels are based on the Old Testament/Jewish writings so they’re extremely alien-looking as a result.
i hope the angels return as the main enemies in the next bayonetta games. having biblically accurate angels as enemies is so iconic
Or at least that they return more than in bayonetta 3. But bayonetta 4 will probably come out on the next console and not the switch
I completely ADORE you for this video I was thirsty of the complete lore of bayonetta's angels stuffed in a one video! I literally watched it for 1 hour straight without a break
It's always the hidden stars making the most intriguing and interesting videos, It's a pity that you aren't as popular to let the rest of bayonetta fandom grasp your creativity!
You are too kind, thank you so much! ❤️
I really hope they make a game about the lumen sages
Same i really want to learn more about them other than „they are the opposite of the unbranded witches“ since we already explored the witches now the Luman sages can shine(heh)
I'm actually happy "the good ones" are not the main roles in whatever exists! The light guys are always the heroes! Not in this case 😏
I really want to see the angels and lumens get more shine, we were robbed of lumen sage bayo in. Bayo 3 where we could have seen how powerful they are when not seen as just enemies for bayo to beat. I hope we get one that’s actually on our side Nita baldur situation.
great work with these. These angels are absolutely my favorite depiction in most of anything. as a religious person myself i think platinum games nailed it!
In recent times. The Enochian meanings of Ziracha and Hononol used to summon Fortitudo and Temperentia differ. They are associated with zodiacs but different ones, and in some cases they mean Angelic king of South and west respectively.
1:51 I SCREAMED at this, what a great analysis!
the hands that grab bayonetta when you don't continue in the gameover screen are the same hand of the affinities.
Great and super observational video. Are you going to do one on the Homunculi enemies from the third game? Admittedly I wasn't a big fan of them at first compared to the angels and demons but through some reading of the in game logs and wiki they seem just as interesting.
It's neat that they're all named after different types of clouds
Thank you! I'd like to make one on them eventually! Currently, I'm working on a faerie video from CatLD.
I love the lore of Bayonetta and I love your videos! They're very informative and well done!
Thank you so much!
genuinely thank you so much for this video. i’ve been always highly interested in the angels that appear in bayonetta, watching this was super interesting
The angels are really cool! Thank you for the nice words :)
Very nice video, I really love the angels of Paradiso and would love to see more of them or at least more "positive" interactions with them, say, with something like a Lumen Sage spin off.
I've entertained the thought of an RTS set in Bayonetta's world. There's already loads of potential for units, and it could allow for a chance to flesh out the histories of the Umbra and Lumen much more. Perhaps with more individually inclined Angels that can be *seen* helping out mankind and acting as aides/advisors.
And if we go into kinda fanfic-y territory, mayhaps it could open up the way for splinter groups of main factions, that could be more inclined to moderation or radical extremes.
@@jurtheorc8117 I've entertained that same RTS idea. Actually I pretend to study game developing just to put my ideas in action. I already have a good idea about the story.
It's possible that omni is just a combination of jubileus and sheba, or atleast jubileus' soul. That's the only explanation I could think off
I have waited for so long for this video, its really well done!
Thank you, hope it was worth the wait!
@@UmbranLumen 100%
The b-i-CT-h meme is exactly what came to mind, you get a like for that
I was laughing when it first popped into my head. I'm glad some of you think it's funny too lol
@@UmbranLumen literally watching it again
@@UmbranLumen literally died watching that the first time around, also, probs grotesque underneath because of the "be not afraid" phrase hahaha
Incredible video! Learning about all.this was really fun 😄
Great video! Thank you for the incredible insight and detail!
Thank you, this video was always one of my favorites because of how accomplished I felt once I finished lol
Thats pronounciation of Laguna you mentioned does hold water as the Bayonetta movie calls the religion headed by Balder as the Ragna Church
40:56 I think Glamor might be a reference to the Chalkydri which are mythical creatures from the Second Book of Enoch that have the head of a crocodile, the legs of a lion, have twelve wings, and are colored purple “like the rainbow”. Artistic depictions usually include rainbow colors as a reference.
I believe they are associated with the Phoenix in bringing the sun’s light and warmth to the earth. It brings the morning dew while it sings, alerting birds that the sun is rising.
Great video! Excellently put together. To me, the relationship between Paradiso and Inferno in Bayonetta lore is more similar to Order vs Chaos than good vs evil.
That makes a lot of sense! I feel we could benefit seeing more of their relationship but from the point of view of Paradiso.
we need a bayonetta devil may cry crossover
Best description goes to Enrapture imo, that's some flavorful lore and design
Idk if someone said this but maybe the word "Bieth" is in reference to being a variant of the name Beatrix that means "she who is holly" or "she who brings happiness" :0
I think the Enchants also are based off the Sicily Emblem as well.
Woah, I totally see that! Definitely inspired from it, thanks for the info.
YES! YES! I KNOW I'M LATE BUT YES!
i love these videos
Thank you!
Joy's entry is truely beautiful
For me, this is actually the most interesting thing about the Bayonetta series. It's really unique, to me at least, to see angelic creatures this creatively designed, this inspired, and just this... cool. Mainly speaking in regards to Hack-and-Slash/Character Action type games.
Heck, angels in general don't get a lot of focus on that front in hack-and-slashers, compared to demons.
Big comment incoming, so my apologies if it gets boring, but here's what I have noticed regarding angels and heavenly stuff in these types of games when Christian bases and inspirations are involved:
-The Darksiders series is the next one in this franchise, that has angels deeply fleshed-out and well-established, with the Truce of Heaven and Hell until the End Times would arrive. There's a good amount of angel characters and even some angelic locations-- though deeper insight in their society seems to mainly be reserved for the Abomination Vault novel.
Hell and the demons get more screentime and showcasing of their realms, I'd say. Helps that in the series, they actually have won the pre-emptive End War.
-Aside from that, there's Dante's Inferno, and even then you only get to see Gabriel (i think) for a short cutscene, and actually *play* as one: St. Lucia in the Trials of St. Lucia DLC, who seems pretty cool.
But the game is still, for nigh its entirety, set in Hell (and pretty awesomely at that), where both demons *and* sinners are opponents.
The bestiary does clarify that Lucifier and the specific, classic goat-horned-and-hoofed enemies are former angels that now act as jailers and torturers of the sinners.
-The Lords of Shadows' games main character is named Gabriel, and the Lord and the Heavens are often spoken about-- but that's the closest we get. Once again, demons are present here-- but focus lie more so on earthly horrors. Starting with goblins and lycans, to ghouls and walking skeletons, imps and living armors, giant spiders and living scarecrows, mandrakes, and of course vampires. Which is also a very cool route to be walking for enemy designs.
-And DmC doesn't even seem to *have* Heaven or actual angels as a thing. I read a few times that angels in the DmC franchise are actually another variant of Demonic creatures.
(Bonus one: Least known of all of these, there's Knight's Contract, and focus there is on witches and folklore. But I believe neither demons nor angels really appear as such)
I don't gravitate towards the super-blow-the-roof-off-this-multi-roofed-cathedral-then-repair-the-roofs-and-build-a-few-new-ones-then-do-it-all-over-again level of over-the-topness, general camp and turbo-overpoweredness of the main character and series as a whole in Bayonetta
Personally, my leanings more towards the aforementioned Darksiders series, Soulstice, and Heavenly Sword (amongst a few others, like Marlow Briggs and the Mask of Death, Lords of Shadow 1 and 2, and Dante's Inferno).
Be it main characters, tone, world or other factors-- or a mix of them.
And yet, like I said before, a number of the Angel designs have kept on holding my attention, and the lore and reasonings behind their names that comes with them.
So, while I may be a stranger on the internet, I do appreciate the effort and time that you have put into making this video! It's really cool, and I thank you for having made it.
Wish you and anyone else who reads this a good rest of their week, and take care as well as a cookie when nobody's looking.
I really do love the juxtaposition of angelic creatures looking like monsters or more conceptual entities instead of the human with angel look they usually have. Thank you for your comment and well wishes. I hope you also have a great week!
@@UmbranLumen That's a big part of why I love it, as well as how in-depth Bayonetta went with the strict hierarchy. There's a system in place, logic for the names, and at the moment, it's just... unique.
I wouldn't mind a game set in the Bayonetta universe where one could *play* as creatures from Paradiso or Inferno.
An RTS in this series' universe (not counting the multiverse crud) I think could be legitimately cool. Or do something like a mix of God Hand and Darksiders Genesis' Creature Core system: Defeat enemies to make them drop a specific attack or effect enhancer, slot that attack/enhancer onto a "tree", and customize one's loadout going from there.
(Sidenote regarding Darksiders: I do truly hope that in further Darksiders games, Heaven (and other realms) get explored more in-depth as well. The angels there generally take the winged humanoid look, but I think are still interesting. Would love to see proper Ophanim and/or Cherubim.
Most interesting angel in that series thus far is Jamaerah the Scribe, who looks like what happened if a Putto grew up to be an adult)
You are most welcome, and thank you very much in turn!
And if it's alright to ask, what's your personal history with the Bayonetta series? And what made you start this channel?
Well, I was drawn to Bayonetta because of the designs of the characters, the enemies, and the weapons. When I played for the first time, I was hooked because of the amount of fun it was and how satisfying the gameplay is. I have Pure Platinum'd all 3 games, and I just enjoy it as my favorite video game series. I started this channel because I wanted to share my findings about the origins of the names and descriptions you find in the lore books outside the main story and so people could watch and maybe share their own discoveries too. I am a sucker for nods to pop culture, mythology, and legends, and this series had a lot!
@@UmbranLumen My apologies for the late reply! Thank you for taking the time out of your day to write out such a big reply to my own question.
Oh dang, pure platinum all 3 of them? That's testament to how much you love the series as a whole, amidst all its fumbles and stumbles.
I'm all here for nods and references to pop culture and mythology as well! For people to start. That being the jumping off point for people to set up channels on YT, or something similar, to document that kind of knowledge is awesome to see.
I don't know how interested you'd be in venturing into other hack-and-slash titles, but if you ever want to delve into Aztec mythology, the Divine Comedy, and/or more aspects of Christianity mixed with some other assorted, pre-Abrahamic mythology, i'd recommend checking out Marlow Briggs and the Mask of Death, Dante's Inferno (the game) and the Darksiders series respectively.
Dante's Inferno especially goes to quite a lot of lengths to depict Hell as truly horrible (in a good way) as it could, while still holding true to the descriptions of the poem, and outright quoting it at points. While also giving an own spin to a lot of it.
Darksiders is more all over the place, but for me was how I became known with the tale of the Four Horsemen of the Apocalypse in the first place. It does firmly carve out its own universe and mythology out of these tales, though. Stuff like there being worlds in Creation outside of Heaven, Hell and the Kingdom of Man, with Heaven and Hell being the two biggest and most prominent, for example.
Darksiders 2 does a lot to expand the world of the universe. Darksiders 3 Dials it back again, more concentrated on Earth where Fury faces off against the Seven Deadly Sins (and Lust is depicted ESPECIALLY fantastically. A lot more interestingly than Dante's Inferno).
But Darksiders Genesis swings back into more interesting naming conventions, where it concerns the main bosses' names. Such as Mammon and Moloch.
Apologies if this gushing got annoying, but if you took the time to read through this all-- thank you for doing so, and thank you again for giving me your time of day to reply!
Momma dee was the highlight for me 🤣🤣🤣
Bro did you secretly make this because you too, is heavily f**king disappointed with the lack of Angels in Bayo3? Because if so, thank you. I get to see my precious angels again
I'm definitely disappointed there was not even one new angel. Like ???
@@UmbranLumen I watched the whole thing just waiting... and waiting... bro my soul at the end of the playthrough was legit depressed. I got a small dopamine rush seeing bayo1/2 at the end since I was so starved for something familiar. The only things I absolutely loved were Baal, Madama and Rosa's weapons/Umbran Tower. Even then, what a waste with Rosa :(
@@UmbranLumen Oh and no daddy balder broke my heart.
I need the Lumen Sage spin off honestly lol
Oh, so it wasn't only me that thought of Jet Set Radio when they heard about Grace and Glory
Ate ate ate again
i love this video
There're enemies similar to Enchant in Okami too.
Could Fairness also reference the sun god Ra in some way, based on it's head ornament and its head looks just like that of Ra, but gold? Idk, it just passed my mind when watching this video.
Oh cool, that is an excellent point. The symbol looks like a sun and Ra is the god of the sun with the head of a bird (falcon). Thanks!
Cool story, bro
Personally, I cannot view the Angels of Bayonetta as being "evil".
Whatever their methods-and arguments can be made to justify their actions throughout the first game-their ultimate goal is to restore reality to it's original state.
Now before anyone here goes "Oh they were going to kill all of humanity!" First of all, you don't *know* that because that is never said to be the case in any of the games in which they appear, and second, let's not pretend that we humans haven't been slaughtering each other in droves for the past ten thousand years, among other horrific acts. If these Angels really wanted to eradicate humanity, they'd be well within their rights to do so.
Kinda hate the fact that Jubileus is basically mandy from totally spies
19:37 Rocket launcher?! When did they have that?
This was in Chapter XIV: Isla Del Sol. It's when we are riding the missile so it is kinda hard to see.
@@UmbranLumen ahh right I auto pilot that section. It goes on to long and makes u nauseous..
I also just auto pilot, you're good lol
"oh another angel? must of missed one."
Was he actually stupid enough to say "must of"?
@@7792pnaurfr Isn't it a quote of when Bayo got added to Smash4? She definitely said "must have" though.
I wanna play as a lumen sage so bad
Yes, but I'm still with the question of which type of angel was Rodin.
Most likely an Angel at Dea status. In Christianity, God is seen as one and also as a trinity, what if the Dea sphere is Jubileus, Rodin and Omne (maybe/placeholder).
I hope they return so much more fun to fight then the homunculi I like fighting people however I want not having to do this first or solely rely on this. Or get in for two seconds then be pushed out or just pushed out until a certain amount of damage is done. Fun ones to me where any human one the giant fat guys the flower turrets and I might be missing some. Even the bosses aren’t as good only fun ones to me where the witches. Just because it was fluent combat..The homunculi bosses besides a couple like the bull guy where all singularity meaning they have no unique personalities it’s just singularity being a broken record. In some giant blob of whatever. They witches didn’t cling to a wall or to far in front of you where it’s hard to hit them or the floor is lava where ur constantly hopping platforms along with that, that happens 3-4 bosses. Combine that with enemy push back it happens a lot. Some angels/demons are annoying to fight as where some bosses before but they should learn from them 1 was really rough in some parts in 2 u could get them in witch time like the shield guys wicked weaves will break them and strong enough attacks to them and witch time will catch baldur and stuff. All games had flaws but I had fun in all of them they improved some stuff. I’m glad the angels and demons were fightable but not all of them. I hope they are more than side verses next game.
Are you gonna do a video of the monsters in Bayonetta 3? The one's made of human (the green ones)
I do plan to eventually :)
Inspired is probably the least wierd looking angel
Hierarchy of laguna.
other names: book of angels📚.
race: angel👼.
type: heaven's light☀️.
rank: holy✝️.
class: librarian📚.
about: angels of paradiso.
location: paradiso.
keeper: lumen sages.
rarity: common.
role: treasure.
status: active.
color: white⚪️.
And in bayonetta 3 no angel 😢
1:51 LMAO
Interesting, so are all the angels concepts of certain things?
I believe some are. At least some of the angels and demons are confirmed to be born of people's emotions or feelings. It's pretty cool to think how important the Human World/World of Chaos is to the Trinity of Realities and how they all influence each other.
Temperantia 50% more like pokemon type steel/psychic (bronzong)🗿
.....a thought what if an Angel betrays Paradiso and now we as Viola and an unnamed Lumen Sage have to defeat it......ugh I have a mind of a mastermind, cause I'm just so creative like that
Lol what
Is that where vivziepop came up with the exorcists angels from hazbim hotel because they kill?
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Fu fact about the second sphere powers:Worship.
They didn't choose this name arbitrarely, As it's name is a pun. saying it outloud sound sounds like the phrase (war-ship) which is exactly what worship is. A war ship
Also can't forget that Lumen sages are made out of them they technically worship paradiso.
It's the other way around. After the Lumens die, they can choose to go to paradiso, or sacrefise themselves to be a part of the angel worship. Which is thought to be "the purest form of bliss"
@@oreo_smoothie74 fun fact: there isn't anyone over the age of 10 who didn't understand that pun the first time.
@@7792pnaurfr I was just saying it cuz I thought it was funny tf you so mad about💀
Hears a fun fact, do you know that some of the angels are based off from the angels from Neon Genesis Evangelion.
which ones?
Affinity\Mass Production Evangelion, Temperantia\Zeruel, Sapientia\Gaghiel, Glamor\Diemay Angel, The Golem from Bayonetta 2 is based on Ramiel.
I hate grace and glory with a passion
Gracious and Glorious would like a word lol
JET SET RADIO MENTIONED🔥🔥🔥WHAT THE FUCK IS A BAD SOUNDTRACK??????
I want to see the species angels . They break the rules so much I pretty sure they feed everyone to worship indiscriminately and not just sages and of course lie to humans about paradise being ...,well a paradise so that they can never none Laguna or pias humans that that have reincarnation aren't common ,Said for a few that probably took a territory of of heaven of stay on the run and can't experience the peace they're supposed to . Had they gone where they aught to have gone it would have been cool to see some actually nice angel with not creepy baby faces and maybe no feathers either . Maybe even one that Bayonetta almost kills for being like madam butter fly but he's a cockroach 🤣
rodin is the angel you want
I’m actually on paradiso’s side. They want to create a world where light rules over all. And based on the naming scheme, light = good, darkness = bad. So a world ruled by good is what we need
The angels were horrible
How? The only people they killed were those who would become angels after death and as established, willfully want. The other people they killed were the umbran witches, whose entire culture surrounds grooming children to sell their souls to demons and get them damned to hell for eternity. The angels were in the right
@@Fartstopper said by who? You don’t know
@@KELOPHE they were literally going to mass genocide the entire universe and reset it in the first game when they planned on bringing jubileus back. That is the entire plot and of bayonetta 1 aside from cereza trying to find her memories.
@@Fartstopper because of how life works in bayonetta, much like real life noone truly dies. those who die will be brought back in a universe where light and good rule over all.