Hi Tom, can I use WP suspension on the T7? Although I’m a Yammi through an through, the WP suspension on KTMs is legendary. I just wanted to ask someone who has both bikes an knows from experience. It’s not for racing, it’s for long distances like Africa , Australia etc. Many thanks an great channel🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🏍️🏍️💎💎
Your Tenere is what it should have been from the factory. Love everything accept the weight on the Tenere. I also trimmed the weight to 175 without fuel. To optimize the weight i fitted cycle-bags on the lower front part instead of over the seat and I really recommend it. Much less top heavy
thank you and yes I agree with the front low weight, when I need to carry tools, spare tubes etc I always put it there, sometimes water too, can't even tell anything is there.
Picking up if the bike is at 90 degrees is 15kg (half) of difference and only at the first degrees, at 45 degrees it is 7.5Kg difference. Still, if tired or marginally strong it can be crucial. Also, your T7 has a 690 like tank so weight distribution and overall mass is way lower than stock.
@@constantinosschinas4503 that's exactly what I was trying to explain, but also that distribution plays really important factor, ergonomically just because that big fuel tank is not where it used to be made huge difference in dynamic riding especially in technical sections and cornering, weigh of it with fuel being in different place really made the difference.
@@zurawskimotorsport Your build is awesome but Yamaha just cares for the T7 to look like a tall rally horse so that people that do not rally, buy it. edit: forgot i wrote that already lol.
The weight of your T7 (and the work that has gone into it) is extremely impressive. Where you you think the largest weight improvement came from? Fuel tank?
@@T7_XR thank you. The fuel tank whole work as it removes/replaces the rear subframe so 2 in 1, obviously the usual stuff like full exhaust, titanium akrapovic weights nothing,lithium battery, no abs system, not 1 std plastic incl front end, but being able to move on the bike almost as good as on a dirt is the biggest improvement, lowered the bars by a lot and really made difference for cornering control especially sitting, obviously better/bigger suspension setup add weight but can still remove couple of kgs, not worth it now tbh. The weight distribution is the one thing that you notice a lot, if Yamaha did the t7 in a similar way it would be a completely different weapon for racing and still great for adv, I guess looks are more important 😁
@@zurawskimotorsport its such an amazing example of what the T7 can and should have been from Yamaha. I have the tractive closed cartridge +30mm full suspension, rally seat +30mm and the stiffest springs I could fit and I have to say around an MX track it handles like a fat 450 to suit my fat arse on the back but now im selling my XR650R im really turning my attention full on to the T7 - I hope to be able to replicate a fraction of what you have done so please for the love of god get that fuel tank produced and sold cos its a gem ;P
you see a lot more enduro bike riders on the T7 out on the trails. i think they think like us enduro bikes are too easy on the trails and want more of a challange that a big bike gives you.
@@adriantompson to be honest, if you have enough skills, big bikes are actually real fun, yes it comes at the price sometimes but it's worth it for most of the time, I just came back from a day out on my t7 and I forgot how good this bike is, absolutely loved every minute of it, dine the exactly same route on my 350 and 690, today was the most enjoyable on the big girl. There is simply no right answer, just ride 😉.
hi thomas,your mate on the other channel said that for a drive in drive out swap i dont have to go to uk from italy but you have a brother in rome that can do it,is that possible?
@@BloodyS993 I'm using +25/30 tractive on the rear and 48mm KYB front conversion, you can have both supplied and refined before send to you from T-tech suspensions in London, if you can't find him give me a shout I'll send you details.
@@zurawskimotorsport thank you, i already have the same suspension setup from Boano racing in Italy, i was interested in your rear tank, and the relative elimination of the front tank. Is possibile to speak with you in private?
@@_RAQUERO_ well sir that's the best reply on my whole channel! Unfortunately this days Yamaha prefers to spend money on marketing instead of development, it pays off better as we are very easy to influence on what to buy regardless of how good or not a thing is. I had a chance to have a good talk with Yamaha marketing manager, he explained real clear where the secret is.
@@zurawskimotorsport I know what you mean, I work as engineer on automotive industry and most companies are more worry about the marketing (with technological stuff) than on making reliable cars, I understand it, at the end of the day we all want to earn money, but it's kind of sad. I'm getting crazy to chosse one bike as first bike, I have the A2 license and all is too heavy, too expensive or too powerfull for me hahahahahaha love both of your bikes.
Unfortunately Yamaha cares more about looks than utility. People love the high tank on the tenere that makes it look like a rally horse. Yamaha uses Paul Tarres to convince us T7 is a mountain goat. Result is an animal kindom that has nothing to do with a properly designed bike with all the knowledge that has been gathered through the decades of motorbike development.
I know exactly how you feel. I appreciate all of your comments and in-depth experience with the two bikes. It looks like your Ktm 690 is the standard version. Perhaps the R would be a little bit better sprung. I have a 2018 690 R and 2008 standard. I love both bikes. But I’m constantly fighting over taking my 990 as its so well planted. My plan next is to sell the 990, sell or give my son the 08 standard 690. Buy a new to me TPI 300 xcw. For my sanity and parts compatibility Im sticking with KTM
Thank you, I believe sooner or later a well sorted 690 will find place in my garage. Having 2 bikes is the only option 😁, I can think about giving away or swapping everything else but my fx350. One other option I'm really curious to try is the 500, had a quick go on a exc500 with concept seat on and it was super smooth.
Your T7 and head full of ideas give me a lot of motivation to work on my t7 as well. I need to start learning how to weld :)
Hi Tom, can I use WP suspension on the T7?
Although I’m a Yammi through an through, the WP suspension on KTMs is legendary.
I just wanted to ask someone who has both bikes an knows from experience.
It’s not for racing, it’s for long distances like Africa , Australia etc.
Many thanks an great channel🙏🙏👍👍🇬🇧🏍️🏍️💎💎
Your Tenere is what it should have been from the factory. Love everything accept the weight on the Tenere. I also trimmed the weight to 175 without fuel. To optimize the weight i fitted cycle-bags on the lower front part instead of over the seat and I really recommend it. Much less top heavy
thank you and yes I agree with the front low weight, when I need to carry tools, spare tubes etc I always put it there, sometimes water too, can't even tell anything is there.
Picking up if the bike is at 90 degrees is 15kg (half) of difference and only at the first degrees, at 45 degrees it is 7.5Kg difference. Still, if tired or marginally strong it can be crucial. Also, your T7 has a 690 like tank so weight distribution and overall mass is way lower than stock.
@@constantinosschinas4503 that's exactly what I was trying to explain, but also that distribution plays really important factor, ergonomically just because that big fuel tank is not where it used to be made huge difference in dynamic riding especially in technical sections and cornering, weigh of it with fuel being in different place really made the difference.
@@zurawskimotorsport Your build is awesome but Yamaha just cares for the T7 to look like a tall rally horse so that people that do not rally, buy it.
edit: forgot i wrote that already lol.
The weight of your T7 (and the work that has gone into it) is extremely impressive. Where you you think the largest weight improvement came from? Fuel tank?
@@T7_XR thank you. The fuel tank whole work as it removes/replaces the rear subframe so 2 in 1, obviously the usual stuff like full exhaust, titanium akrapovic weights nothing,lithium battery, no abs system, not 1 std plastic incl front end, but being able to move on the bike almost as good as on a dirt is the biggest improvement, lowered the bars by a lot and really made difference for cornering control especially sitting, obviously better/bigger suspension setup add weight but can still remove couple of kgs, not worth it now tbh.
The weight distribution is the one thing that you notice a lot, if Yamaha did the t7 in a similar way it would be a completely different weapon for racing and still great for adv, I guess looks are more important 😁
@@zurawskimotorsport its such an amazing example of what the T7 can and should have been from Yamaha. I have the tractive closed cartridge +30mm full suspension, rally seat +30mm and the stiffest springs I could fit and I have to say around an MX track it handles like a fat 450 to suit my fat arse on the back but now im selling my XR650R im really turning my attention full on to the T7 - I hope to be able to replicate a fraction of what you have done so please for the love of god get that fuel tank produced and sold cos its a gem ;P
@@T7_XR it's in the plans 😉
you see a lot more enduro bike riders on the T7 out on the trails. i think they think like us enduro bikes are too easy on the trails and want more of a challange that a big bike gives you.
@@adriantompson to be honest, if you have enough skills, big bikes are actually real fun, yes it comes at the price sometimes but it's worth it for most of the time, I just came back from a day out on my t7 and I forgot how good this bike is, absolutely loved every minute of it, dine the exactly same route on my 350 and 690, today was the most enjoyable on the big girl. There is simply no right answer, just ride 😉.
hi thomas,your mate on the other channel said that for a drive in drive out swap i dont have to go to uk from italy but you have a brother in rome that can do it,is that possible?
@@MARCO-rq2ph possibly, I need to talk to my brother as he's quiet busy but it's very possible
wich suspensions do you have on the T7? can i order you the same rear tank? :D
@@BloodyS993 I'm using +25/30 tractive on the rear and 48mm KYB front conversion, you can have both supplied and refined before send to you from T-tech suspensions in London, if you can't find him give me a shout I'll send you details.
@@zurawskimotorsport thank you, i already have the same suspension setup from Boano racing in Italy, i was interested in your rear tank, and the relative elimination of the front tank. Is possibile to speak with you in private?
Your T7 should be bought by Yamaha themselves and use it as a base for the development of a new Tenere
@@_RAQUERO_ well sir that's the best reply on my whole channel!
Unfortunately this days Yamaha prefers to spend money on marketing instead of development, it pays off better as we are very easy to influence on what to buy regardless of how good or not a thing is. I had a chance to have a good talk with Yamaha marketing manager, he explained real clear where the secret is.
@@zurawskimotorsport I know what you mean, I work as engineer on automotive industry and most companies are more worry about the marketing (with technological stuff) than on making reliable cars, I understand it, at the end of the day we all want to earn money, but it's kind of sad.
I'm getting crazy to chosse one bike as first bike, I have the A2 license and all is too heavy, too expensive or too powerfull for me hahahahahaha
love both of your bikes.
Unfortunately Yamaha cares more about looks than utility. People love the high tank on the tenere that makes it look like a rally horse. Yamaha uses Paul Tarres to convince us T7 is a mountain goat. Result is an animal kindom that has nothing to do with a properly designed bike with all the knowledge that has been gathered through the decades of motorbike development.
I know exactly how you feel. I appreciate all of your comments and in-depth experience with the two bikes. It looks like your Ktm 690 is the standard version. Perhaps the R would be a little bit better sprung. I have a 2018 690 R and 2008 standard. I love both bikes. But I’m constantly fighting over taking my 990 as its so well planted. My plan next is to sell the 990, sell or give my son the 08 standard 690. Buy a new to me TPI 300 xcw. For my sanity and parts compatibility Im sticking with KTM
Thank you, I believe sooner or later a well sorted 690 will find place in my garage.
Having 2 bikes is the only option 😁, I can think about giving away or swapping everything else but my fx350.
One other option I'm really curious to try is the 500, had a quick go on a exc500 with concept seat on and it was super smooth.