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    1995 Rockford Fosgate Punch 250m2 Power Series Amplifier
    (NOTE: I was wrong in the video, this amp IS ACTUALLY a dual mono. Update video will be on Williston Audio EXTRAS.)
    Rated to deliver:
    125x2 at 4 ohms
    225x2 at 2 ohms or
    450x1 bridged at 4 ohms
    All at 12.6V and less than 0.1% THD
    Original MSRP in 1995 $929 USD
    Video of Punch 500m Power (Power Test): • Rockford Fosgate Punch...
    Video overview of Punch 500m Power: • Rockford Fosgate Punch...
    1993 Rockford Fosgate Punch 200 DSM Amp Dyno Test: • SMD AD-1 Amp Dyno vs. ...
    Video Index:
    0:00 INTRO
    1:40 PRICE AND SPECS
    2:38 FEATURES
    4:34 BOTTOMS UP
    5:53 AMP DYNO TESTS
    9:17 WHAT'S INSIDE?
    10:04 TRUE DUAL MONO?
    12:08 SOUND DEMO
    13:25 FINAL THOUGHTS
    14:10 EXTRAS
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  • @one7decimal2eight
    @one7decimal2eight Рік тому +35

    That paper the amp is wrapped in hits me right in the nostalgia when I bought my punch 100ix for over 400 bucks! Took me many hours working for 4.25 and then 5.50 an hour to get that bad boy! Loved it. Sold it in the late 90s.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +6

      Yeah man it was so cool they did that

    • @Carl_Jr
      @Carl_Jr Рік тому +3

      Me too! I bought an original Punch 100 DSM (no "ix") brand new in 1993 and I still have it. It finally gave out about 12 yrs ago but I refuse to part with it. 😂

    • @Adam-nv9zo
      @Adam-nv9zo Рік тому +2

      I know exactly what you mean. Love those old Rockfords.

    • @matthewstorm5188
      @matthewstorm5188 5 місяців тому

      @Carl_Jr Consider getting it repaired. These old amps are becoming quite valuable these days, and are definitely worth repairing.

  • @squishtheprodigalson9298
    @squishtheprodigalson9298 Рік тому

    Man, I’ve been waiting for a LOOONG time for this video!

  • @ehrenkrause9861
    @ehrenkrause9861 Рік тому +5

    Great blast from the past. My favorite series of Rockford amplifiers

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      Awe Jeah!

  • @wal
    @wal  Рік тому +1

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    Video Index:
    0:00 INTRO
    1:40 PRICE AND SPECS
    2:38 FEATURES
    4:34 BOTTOMS UP
    5:53 AMP DYNO TESTS
    9:17 WHAT'S INSIDE?
    10:04 TRUE DUAL MONO?
    12:08 SOUND DEMO
    13:25 FINAL THOUGHTS
    14:10 EXTRAS
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    Video overview of Punch 500m Power: ua-cam.com/video/zqtOTd_BYhI/v-deo.html
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  • @dagriz
    @dagriz Рік тому

    Totally forgot about the crossovers being like that :) Great find, awesome vid.

  • @slimjim1104
    @slimjim1104 Рік тому +2

    I had many fosgate punch series in the 90s and early 00s. Great stuff. Eclipse was another brand I loved. Had a massive 5 channel that just plain kicked ass. Never went back to multiple amps after that.

  • @saschacubexyz
    @saschacubexyz Рік тому +1

    Thx 4 this dyno.... i have this bad boy still in my ride....💪 and two punch 100....all that since 1995.... i love these oldschool RF amps...🥳🤩

  • @T_Burd_75
    @T_Burd_75 Рік тому +31

    The dynamic burst may be affected by the caps showing their age and not performing like they normally would. Even Nichicon caps don't last forever.

    • @BenDeSwert666
      @BenDeSwert666 Рік тому +2

      Yea, I was thinking exactly the same thing.. These caps are almost 25 years old, they lost the capacity to give that extra little oomph to be the dynamic power house it probably once used to be.

    • @raymo6795
      @raymo6795 Рік тому +7

      @@BenDeSwert666 ...at 25 plus years old, this amp exceeded all specs. Lets see one of those Chinese "Down for Sound " 25 years from now, or any of RF current Chinese line up in a quarter century....Big D will be pushing 80 with his D'Amore and a cane ...probably a hearing aid

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +5

      That’s funny!

    • @raymo6795
      @raymo6795 Рік тому

      @@wal yer the man big D, appreciate you Brother✌️🇺🇸💪🎶

    • @grantmackinnon1307
      @grantmackinnon1307 Рік тому

      @@raymo6795 those d4s class ab' are beauties. i dont really know much about anything, but the more you abuse equipment the faster it wears out.

  • @kaknballz
    @kaknballz Рік тому +2

    I've always preferred a 200x2 over a 500m or one of the "mono" amps any day. Only draw back to the two channel amps and running a PSD-1 is you can only run one PSD-1 to a amp. The mono block amps of that era required an adapter to run two amps to one PSD-1. I plan on running six 200x2 amps in my install for sub amps and own five of the PSD-1 units. Still need to find one more. I want to say I have three quick vids on the PSD-1 on my channel? One had the audio removed from UA-cam unfortunately.

  • @kenabi
    @kenabi Рік тому +5

    i remember drooling over these so hard when i first got into audio deeply enough to start looking at the basshead world. these things and some of the sexy soundstreams.

  • @michaelzernie7092
    @michaelzernie7092 Рік тому

    Awesome little amp. Should have hooked up that little led visual indicator bar they have too. Keep em coming man.

  • @the_dark_defender
    @the_dark_defender Рік тому +1

    Damn, I love this channel! Videos like this are why.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Thanks brother ✌️

  • @wurgervomlichtenmoor5073
    @wurgervomlichtenmoor5073 Рік тому

    Love the design of the old RF amps. Looks very solid.

  • @ericbachmann8037
    @ericbachmann8037 Рік тому

    Oh Nice!! I used to own a Punch 200 bought new back in 1994. Always been a Rockford Fosgate fan

  • @nickstalhood5380
    @nickstalhood5380 Рік тому

    Great video as always man!!!!!

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @pimpsht421
    @pimpsht421 Рік тому

    Awesome to see it in action! Glad it worked!

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Yessir!

  • @raymo6795
    @raymo6795 Рік тому

    ...this amp exceeded all specs...at 25 plus years old! Nothing to be disappointed about here Big D, Ill bet it sounds great on the Elacs!...I love the Old School American stuff Big D, good show Brother!

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      I was spoiled by the Punch 200 DSM

  • @geoffreyjens238
    @geoffreyjens238 Рік тому

    I had the Punch 200 and the Punch 4080 with the x-cards. Loved those amps.

  • @vettepilot427
    @vettepilot427 Рік тому +5

    I would love to see a review of the Power 50x2. This was the "cheater" tombstone amp from this time period and intended to compete with the Orion 225. The paint on these was more of a silver/gray and supposedly had ceramic added for better heat dissipation. I had 5 of the Power 50x2's in an Astro van on 12 Punch 15's with another 4 Power 50x2's running a pair of MB Quart 1" tweeters, 2 X 6.5" Quart mids, and 2 X 8" Quart mid basses in each front door. I was ROCKIN' in 1997!!

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      thanks for the suggestion!

    • @drewdoestrucks
      @drewdoestrucks Рік тому

      End of an era!

    • @matthewstorm5188
      @matthewstorm5188 5 місяців тому +1

      And I thought I was the only one who thought these amps looked like tombstones (especially with just one endcap)!

  • @swizlstik
    @swizlstik Рік тому

    Had a Punch 40 and Punch 100 and a couple of 12” Kickers back in the day. Excellent sounding system.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Awesome 👏

  • @hookhousebeatz
    @hookhousebeatz Рік тому

    ohhhhh what a treat for today.....always wanted to know what they actuall did....thanks!!!!

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @rimfire2642
    @rimfire2642 Рік тому +1

    Back in early 90s a buddy had a hatchback with MTX 12" x 2 box and 2 Rockford Punch 45s. He originally had 1 45, and it was pretty loud. There were never any measurements. Then he got another 45 and ran each 12 on each amp bridged. It definitely made a difference with the 2nd amp, but it absolutely was loud. I remember after one night finding blood on a q-tip cleaning out my ears. I don't know 100% it was from cruising around in his car but damn, it was loud and sounded good!

    • @logiticalresponse9574
      @logiticalresponse9574 Рік тому

      man them punch 45's were on the other side of the state as well in lake charles pushin all kinds of subs from 8's to 18's . there was a mini truck club that was so specific , u needed an s-10 lowered , aftermarket wheels an alpine deck (no lie ) and subs . almost all of'em had Rockford Fosgate or JL sumptin in'em . called them selves sweet & low and even used the logo , modified slightly .

  • @hoebangin1
    @hoebangin1 Рік тому

    Wish I still had mine , I was running 4 of them , I miss them 😪 truly a awesome amp, the whole series really

  • @zackjay71
    @zackjay71 Рік тому +2

    I ran 4 12’s orion xtr with my punch 60. Sounded so good. 20hz shook the whole car like an earthquake. Ran then in series into parallel

  • @battleop
    @battleop Рік тому

    I built stuff with guys at Rockford dealer and we got a pair of prototype 500m to test out. They were great amps.

  • @Djayrichierich2
    @Djayrichierich2 Рік тому +3

    Being from new Orleans. Rockford fosgate and alpine pretty much ruled the land. I wish I would have kept all the Rockford amps I had from that era. I do still have a punch 250.2 Darth Vader series lol on (6) 6.5 skar evl subs at 2.66 mono. Still rocking it

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      Sweet!

    • @Djayrichierich2
      @Djayrichierich2 Рік тому

      Actually I've been looking for a epx2 from that era. I had two and let them go. I'd love to find one with the e28.

    • @raymo6795
      @raymo6795 Рік тому

      Sooo much stuff I had that I wish I still.. I would never have thought all the legacy brands would be built in China 20 years ago….good thing for eBay

  • @mryang3644
    @mryang3644 Рік тому

    Best Fosgate amps..... Loving them DSMs

  • @KuntalGhosh
    @KuntalGhosh Рік тому

    Remember that "dual" 4ch amp "budget gem or budget bust" reviewed. It also had a similar construction to this . It just had two dual 2ch amps on one board side by side shareing one powersupply.

  • @Jared535
    @Jared535 Рік тому +3

    Love those amps. Best system I had was 2 500m and 2 soundstream spl 160s

    • @pgmurray76
      @pgmurray76 Рік тому

      Oh man! SPL160's! Those came out after the CV Strokers when people realized listening to sinusoidal bursts was lame.

  • @Juggernaut-fg2up
    @Juggernaut-fg2up Рік тому +1

    Nothing better than a Rockford amp. Performance wise ans see which of these new ones are still working in 30 to 40 years like Rockford does

  • @lacboiatl
    @lacboiatl Рік тому

    I had 1 of these beautiful amps back in like 2008 and it was powerful and very clean. Could tell the difference after I swapped it out for a ssl amp. Worst mistake. Had it pushing a second gen audiobahn immortal 15 awis15p

  • @smallblocksadventures6008
    @smallblocksadventures6008 Рік тому +1

    Love the Rockford grill amps...

  • @acheleg
    @acheleg Рік тому

    i hada punch 60 from about the same time- same heatsink. 30 wpc rms. the spec sheet tested it out at 600+ peak mono. it was truly beautiful

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      Those did 300W bridged all day. Crazy!

  • @squishtheprodigalson9298
    @squishtheprodigalson9298 Рік тому +1

    I have a nonfunctional Punch 60, and Punch 100, both with end caps. 😁
    Hoping to have them repaired some day.

  • @charlespetersonii6989
    @charlespetersonii6989 Рік тому +11

    You should try the test in "Audiophile" mode. With the x cards removed. If you read in manual i think it states this. Thanks for the old school videos!
    Trans-Nova amps are my favorite SQ ever 👌💯

    • @SamCogley
      @SamCogley Рік тому +1

      My current go-to home setup is a Hafler Trans-Nova (same basic circuit design as the Rockford Fosgate Punch amps) pro amp driving a pair of first generation B&W 802s. I've recently found a match for my first Trans-Nova, the plan is to rehab both of them and run them in bridged mono. They're among the best-sounding, and most budget-friendly for their quality, solid-state amps I've found.

  • @vinnyburton3626
    @vinnyburton3626 Рік тому

    I i had the 500M and 250m2. loads of fun.

  • @heavy12inchsub79
    @heavy12inchsub79 Рік тому

    Glad to see those old school RF. Looking in good shape.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Yessir!!

  • @mattb9664
    @mattb9664 Рік тому

    I still remember going to the local mom and pop stereo store as a teenager without any money and the sales lady (owner) pushing a hard sale of one Rockford amps on me. A lot of people don't realize that the specified power rating at the < 0.1% THD is why the power ratings were so low on these mid-late 90s amps. When the amp would be pushed under normal circumstances up to right under clipping, that's where these amps would end up sounding way more powerful than rated. The reputable manufactures had the extra power headway built in by just stating the power at 0.1 % THD instead of < 1.0% THD.

  • @kswis
    @kswis Рік тому +1

    I def want to see the status delio you displayed. It just looks cool. It should be included with the amp for that much $. Very cool video as always.

    • @kaknballz
      @kaknballz Рік тому +1

      Search PSD-1 or Punch Status Display on here and you can see a few videos of one in action to hold you over till he uploads :)

    • @kswis
      @kswis Рік тому

      @@kaknballz excellent, that's kind of you thank you

  • @onelostsoul1997
    @onelostsoul1997 Рік тому

    Back in '97/98 year I was doing DB drag racing. I had two of the Rockford Fosgate 250M2 one to each Rockford Fosgate Power DVC15s 4-Ohms. running one to each amp at 2-Ohms so the amp was seeing 1- ohm per Sub. With a standard ported enclosure tuned at 35 Hertz it did 154 DB using 35 Hz Tone Burst off the DB Jams Vol.2 CD. Always had to have an extra set of subs during competition. Rockford Fosgate's power DVCs of the time just would not hold up, I would melt the voice coil into the magnet. Rockford's Grand rapid facility was not ever happy when I sent the woofers in for warranty.

  • @KMFDM781
    @KMFDM781 Рік тому +1

    I had a little Punch 40 on a set of Fosgate Punch Series 1 12's back in the day....probably 1997 or so. Had it on 2 ohm mono and it bumped pretty hard for what it was, but it would occasionally overload and cut power. Still way better than the LA Sound amp I got on employee discount from Best Buy, lmao. Ended up returning it and running the Punch again.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      Man those early-mid 90’s RF amps still killer amps!

    • @iamjackalope
      @iamjackalope Рік тому +1

      I have one of those in my storage unit. Pulled it out of my Ford Exploder when I got rid of it last year. It happily resided there for the better part of two decades powering the front doors mid/tweets. I'll probably put it up for sale here before to long. It even has the end caps. I have a few old school amps that will likely end up on E-bay sooner then later. Like an ORION XTRPRO 2400 in great condition pulled from the same Exploder. Pretty rare amp as it was only in production for one year I believe. Bumped hard. I have been a big ORION fan for years. I'm building a system for my Tundra right now and it will be my first system that I am not using ORION amps. Thought I'd give Down4Sound a try.

  • @HillbillyRefrigeration
    @HillbillyRefrigeration Рік тому

    I had this same amp on 2 earthquake 12’s in a Toyota carolla in 1999 and it was FUN. It was brigded at 2 ohms.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      😬👍

  • @justinmurphy2227
    @justinmurphy2227 Рік тому +2

    Yeah brother I'm a little surprised with the power levels as well ( you probably know I love this series), especially compared to the 200x2.
    I know you know (lol) that these were replaced with the silver 250x2 (the 500m replaced by the silver 250m). I wonder if there is any internal differences at all?
    I have several of the gray/silver Power Series and would gladly send them out to ya for a comparison.
    I would love to know if it was more than just a cosmetic change!
    Thanks for all you do sir!

  • @marcussmart3275
    @marcussmart3275 Рік тому

    This is right at the time i got into my addiction to bass. I had a soundstream Rubicon 700.2 I have never seen dyno testing of this model but I had 3 JL audio 10w6's and it ran them really good In my 88 civic hatchback. I miss that car to this day!

    • @damianwebzyx6613
      @damianwebzyx6613 Рік тому +1

      In the former times I’ve installed mostly RF Amps and Soundstream SPL Woofers , sometimes Focal 15“ Multimagnet Polyglass 🤪

    • @damianwebzyx6613
      @damianwebzyx6613 Рік тому +1

      Running one of these Soundstream 15“ in my Studio with 2x300 W Ramsa and in my living room a RF Punch 300S fed from a MUNDORF 120 Ampere unit for my open baffle 15“ Focal … deep, mighty and superdry … so much fun 30 years later 😊

  • @emo65170.
    @emo65170. Рік тому

    Woot! I still have my Punch 4020 DSM with both endcaps. I can't let it go though. It still sounds so good,

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Sweet ✌️

  • @scamchan
    @scamchan Рік тому

    Well grilled sir

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      🤣👍

  • @davidsharp922
    @davidsharp922 Рік тому

    Those amps are awesome. Probably the best fosgate ever made.

  • @k-sell4065
    @k-sell4065 Рік тому

    I have that same exact one still in use. It’s part of my garage system running a 12’’ Boston sub

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      Awesome 👏

    • @k-sell4065
      @k-sell4065 Рік тому

      @@wal I also have the punch 40i and an old school SENTREK SPA 185w full stereo amplifier I’ve had them hooked up for years and have no problems with the😃

  • @volvo09
    @volvo09 Рік тому +1

    yeah! classic Rockford!

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      👌😬👍

  • @mitraramsaroop6275
    @mitraramsaroop6275 Рік тому

    Nice amp I still have my bd 1000a working perfect 💯❤

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Awesome 👏

  • @BlueCollarBachelor
    @BlueCollarBachelor Рік тому

    I miss these amps.

  • @spartanpatriot3163
    @spartanpatriot3163 Рік тому

    Ahhhh back in the day when voice coils smoked like my mom and dad after payday.
    Love the old school stuff brother, brings back a lot of good memories.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Thanks for watching and commenting!

  • @raymo6795
    @raymo6795 Рік тому +1

    RF made great stuff. But they did appear a bit crude compared to Zapco, Soundstream, PPI and Orion. But I installed many RF amps, always first rate products.

  • @mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff
    @mikeshobbiesandrandomstuff Рік тому

    I still have a punch 500a2 in the box with caps. The box is rough but the amp looks new.

  • @AllboroLCD
    @AllboroLCD 6 місяців тому

    Rummaging through my neighborhood shadetree mechanics misc parts pile, I came across an old 2ch CRAIG amp. Fairly low power BUT, looking inside there were 2 discrete transformers for each channel.... dual mono.

  • @74midwestbass74
    @74midwestbass74 Рік тому

    OLD SCHOOL FTW!

  • @jasonheard4610
    @jasonheard4610 Рік тому

    🔥🔥🔥🔥

  • @Scrapla1
    @Scrapla1 Рік тому

    This was one of my first real quality amps. I always ran cheap ole Pyramid amps which always lied on the power like if you wanted a 500 watt amp you needed to buy a 1,000 and possibly get close to 500 lol I had this amp and a 10" kicker comp and it sounded great.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      👌😬👍

  • @1rexrex
    @1rexrex Рік тому

    I had 2 pair of Rockfords White Wolf RCA cables. Had built in remote and 18 carat connections. 16' cost $200 each pair.

  • @primus711
    @primus711 Рік тому +1

    Yep had 1 been a long time since i seen those crossover cards

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      😬👍

  • @parker1ray
    @parker1ray Рік тому

    I had one of those pushing cerwin vega subs!

  • @moxysoft
    @moxysoft Рік тому +4

    Don't you think the two coils might share a common toroid core? similar to capacitors that share the same package! love the video!

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +2

      Hi Tom I’m making an update vid and will shed some light on this 🧐

  • @carlitot5388
    @carlitot5388 Рік тому

    My dad had the 4040 dsm rockford fosgate amplifier pushing the highs and two ten inch 🔊! How ? It’s a 4 channel! Sounded nice too !

  • @catch22frubert
    @catch22frubert Рік тому

    I think Rockford started having bigger dynamic numbers when they went to using class D designs. I also imagine a refresh of the caps and components in this 250m2 might help the dynamic numbers. At almost 30 years old now, those internals could use a refresh.

    • @audiokeller1975
      @audiokeller1975 Рік тому

      no. the 200ix is a dynamic monster. the dyno here is made with 40hz which gives lower numbers. do it again with 1kHz and lets see again. the dynamic power makes the amp more musical.

  • @thoraudio2848
    @thoraudio2848 Рік тому +1

    The Symmetry EPX2 had balanced inputs as well, and the very rare RF 8250 head unit had balanced outputs. Interesting that the EXP2 didn't have balanced out to go all the way to the amps.

    • @pgmurray76
      @pgmurray76 Рік тому

      So pissed I almost bought the Clarion ADSL system. Alpine DSP was superior and eventually had 80% of the processing power packed into head units along with Kenwood and everyone else.

  • @johndilauro3462
    @johndilauro3462 Рік тому +1

    Big D Whiz,It’s funny 😎You mentioned that this amplifier looks like a George Foreman Grill 😱
    Because I knew the founder of Phoenix Gold Keith Peterson .I also knew the designer of The Cyclone .The only Servo Woofer .Plus he designed the Titanium Series and the Tantrum series speakers .It was a very aggressive line of speakers .His name is Dominic Bonocontri .
    I was good friends with him
    Plus Jerry Demaze who was the head of installation and technical support and custom fabrications
    Anyways when we saw the New Rockford Fosgate Amplifiers .We all agreed they looked like a George Foreman Grill
    So we were going get a Rockford Fosgate heat sink and make it into a George Foreman style grill .Then say we are “.We are Cookin with Fosgate lol
    Now you will probably think how will he do it ? Or could he do it ?
    Remember the Show Get Smart ? With Secret Agent Maxwell Smart?
    He had a phone in his shoe ?
    Well I made a functional Shoe Phone
    Also I mentioned 2 people at Phoenix Gold who were expert designers ,engineers and fabricators
    So the possibilities were unlimited
    Plus Phoenix Gold Hand built all there heat sinks and everything in house
    From start to finish
    They also made Crown and Carver Professional.
    Derek I enjoy your content.Your a honest and straight forward guy .Who loves old school car audio
    Who could blame you .
    The Old school audio had much more character ,more interesting and innovative
    They were hand making speakers and amplifier.Right here in the United States
    I actually watched my Phoenix Gold amplifiers being built
    Plus they modified them for me 😇

  • @andyguest6543
    @andyguest6543 Рік тому

    Any chance you could review soke Pheonix Gold Octain R amps from the early 2000's? I'd love to see what they do, I assume they were available in the US as well as the UK but they were a cheap version of phoenix gold with optional neon lighting. I wonder if they were just junk or reasonable cheap amps, could make a good video and if they are any good an easy to find budget used amp. I think I had the 4:0.2 and ran a 12" Octain sub with it, I remember being happy with it back then.

  • @Carl_Jr
    @Carl_Jr Рік тому +1

    You got me thinking about parting with the end caps of the amps I have. eBay, here I come! 🤣

  • @DibeezyTheGifted
    @DibeezyTheGifted Рік тому

    United chemicon and nichicon back in the day... I started with two punch 40s that looked like this amplifier.

  • @bassmansl9596
    @bassmansl9596 Рік тому +1

    Nice old skool amp 💪💪💯💯

  • @TheHitDat
    @TheHitDat Рік тому

    I can remember I had a punch 45 on my mids and punch 60 on my 2 12’s was the 1st in Alexandria,La to have a 60 on 12’s

  • @johnnygann4542
    @johnnygann4542 Рік тому

    No worries

  • @johnregister6437
    @johnregister6437 Рік тому

    I know you're not supposed to paint these amps, but I am putting together an old school system with a 200ix, a 160x4, a 60dsm, and a couple of links. My 200ix and one of my links looks rough. What are the best options to refinish these. Love your channel big D. It was my first subscription. North Carolina for the win. I'm from craven county and we've been die hard Rockford fans since waaaaay back.

  • @willyschmidlkofer1753
    @willyschmidlkofer1753 Рік тому

    Awesome

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      😬👍

  • @jordanciaramitaro6351
    @jordanciaramitaro6351 Рік тому

    In my years of installing every one of these amps had a single power and ground haphazardly split into a y and fed into the amp. Rarely ever saw double power wires or a distribution block.

  • @jasonl5523
    @jasonl5523 Рік тому

    I remember the wolf no joke. It was on the wall at a local car stereo shop.

  • @audiokeller1975
    @audiokeller1975 Рік тому

    Nice Video👍👍👍
    You also have the original box. On the bottom you should see the powercube dynamic ratings printed down to 1 ohm per channel. Would be interesting to know what is printed there. The powercube simulates inductance and capacitance to simulate a speaker which is not a fixed load like our dyno-run-power resistors. These powercube tests were made with 1kHz bursts. This will result in higher numbers. I dynoed a lot of 25- 30year old fosgates. i never had a problem with aged caps. replace them when they start to get bumpy.
    would be very nice if you can take the time to post the powercube wattage 👍👍👍

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      Hi it’s not on the box anywhere but I have the 1995 RTTI training manual and it’s in there. Shoot me an email WillistonAudio (at) gmail and I’ll send you a scan of the page

    • @audiokeller1975
      @audiokeller1975 Рік тому

      @@wal Thank you very much!!!! Check out your spam folder, mail sent, its from germany 😀

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      @@audiokeller1975 replied! I have more to send you also. Take care.

  • @JorgeRodriguez-fm4cf
    @JorgeRodriguez-fm4cf Рік тому

    Big D I have a couple of old school rockford amps 800@2 and 250a|| I need end caps any idea where I can find some and replace some worn out gain controls?

  • @markeithcash
    @markeithcash Рік тому

    You should do the newer style P300x1 with the clip light.

  • @fabriziobrutti1205
    @fabriziobrutti1205 Рік тому +1

    10:03 (talking about the electronics inside) nicely built and quality components, but the long flying wires coming out of that trafo are making my heart scream in EMI...

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Yeah wassup with that?

    • @fabriziobrutti1205
      @fabriziobrutti1205 Рік тому

      @@wal ow it may interfere with other electronics (remember the crazy pixels on the dyno's display when testing some class D amps?) and it may interfere with sound quality. Actually none of these has happened, but I just wanted to point it out

  • @flirtnwthdisaster2619
    @flirtnwthdisaster2619 Рік тому

    I've got an even older one than that I have the 150s it just looks like a big crazy heat sinc but it will do 1500 rms @ 4 ohms

  • @dalelambert6312
    @dalelambert6312 Рік тому +2

    I still have my First Gen Rockford (1996) with the Batwings. Was rated 45wx2 and 125wx1. Was way under rated I burned up two 1000w Orion 12in Subs with that lil amp. Just amazing old school power.

  • @jameslucas3161
    @jameslucas3161 Рік тому +3

    These silly crossover modules from Kicker and Rockford back in the day were a big turn-off for me on my very limited budget. Alpine had 80hz LP/HP selectable crossover on their later 35XX amps in the very early '90s and fully adjustable crossovers in their first-gen V12 amps in '95, which is why I went with an Alpine MRV-F400 for my first amp. I still have it today! 😀👍

    • @marcmagee5975
      @marcmagee5975 Рік тому

      Same here. I'm not paying extra to buy modules for different settings when I could just buy an amp with knobs & switches that I can set to whatever I want. I used Phoenix Gold & Alpine instead (and JL when the Slash series came out).

    • @chrisyangtze8403
      @chrisyangtze8403 Рік тому

      Damn brother I still have my PPI amps pc2600 (2channeles and PC 6600 /6 channels) any any one wants let me know ahhhh 🙊🙉🙈🦘🦜😺😻😹😸🤗🤑💰💰💰💰💰

    • @drewdoestrucks
      @drewdoestrucks Рік тому

      I have several older alpine amps. They are TANKS. I definitely slept on them in the 90’s. Their Japanese made stuff was very well made.

  • @matthewstorm5188
    @matthewstorm5188 5 місяців тому

    One thing I’ve noticed about these amps is that the smaller amps seem to be more underrated than the larger ones. For instance, a Punch 60 will put out more than double the 30Wx2 that it is rated at into 4Ω. The Punch 40 is similarly underrated. And the Punch 100 is still very underrated, but not quite as much as the 40 and 60. On the other hand, the Punch 200 is not NEARLY as underrated as the others. Yes, it puts out more than its rated power. But it’s certainly not TWICE as powerful as a Punch 100 or five times as powerful as a Punch 40 by a long shot!
    The same is true with the 250m2 (and the 250x2, which I have). They’re not bad amps by any stretch of the imagination. But they lack that ‘WOW’ factor in terms of greatly exceeding rated power that you see in the Punch 40, 60, 100, or even the Power 50x2.

  • @joshholden8561
    @joshholden8561 Рік тому

    That amp looks like it's had fets changed but they did good work that amp should show about atleast 200 watts hier on dynamic transformer looks kinda small and possible fresh caps might freshen up the output.

  • @HighBass601
    @HighBass601 Рік тому

    I had both of these amplifier...still have 500 somewhere

  • @flanigas
    @flanigas Рік тому

    It would be interesting to see this up against the mtx thunder 2160.

  • @Tron1731
    @Tron1731 Рік тому

    I'm surprised you found a working example of that amp I had 2 of them and they both popped at 4 ohm , my next amp was a philips sound labs it absolutely slammed I wish I never sold it .

    • @Tron1731
      @Tron1731 Рік тому

      It was a a2150 pcb was gold and I had it on 2 10 inch Kicker solo subs in a 1983 z28 they where in a long sealed truck box face down in the kick it hit so hard people would reach over turn it down cause it caused ear pain

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Oh snap?

  • @________GHOST________
    @________GHOST________ Рік тому +1

    Question is Rockford back then was the only one with that clip light statues with that module if so bad ass :) and yes we would like to see that connected to this amp thanks.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      😬👍

  • @MrMister1227
    @MrMister1227 Рік тому

    I like how they actually where measured at 12v...

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      I agree mid 12’s is more realistic

  • @gilbertos1984
    @gilbertos1984 Рік тому

    Daaaaamn. That grill

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Got a grin on it 🤣

  • @joeycameron4744
    @joeycameron4744 Рік тому +3

    yeeeeeaaaars ago I had this amp when I was first learning about car audio and could not for the life of me figure out why it made my subs sound like crap. Way back I had two SVC 4ohm Pioneer IMPP 12" each rated at 300W...I wired them in parallel and bridged the amp. I eventually figured it was just too much amp...now seeing this reminds me of that and confirms that I was right....by about 50% per sub too much lol. Ah, to be young and dumb.

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      We’ve all been there

    • @SamCogley
      @SamCogley Рік тому

      When I was first getting into higher end car audio, I had a good friend that I helped do installs. He had a 12" green IMQ Infinty sub sitting around that he sold to me for next to nothing because he couldn't get it to sound right. I downloaded the manual (way back in the early days of such things being online) and started reading through the manual and the specs - he'd been trying to run it in a huge ported box, when Infinity recommended a sealed box that was so small that the sub would barely fit in it. I ran off to my dad's wood shop with some MDF, whipped out a test box in the recommended volume, and it sounded amazing. I still have that sub. :D

  • @momanholmes8715
    @momanholmes8715 Рік тому

    I think the 200ix can give it a run for it’s money (did 920w dynamic at 13.0v @ 2 ohm)

  • @dre_day_
    @dre_day_ Рік тому

    I still have my chrome punch 250💯

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      Sweet!

  • @BigEvil2005
    @BigEvil2005 Рік тому

    Wish I still had my 500m it was insane

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      👌😬👍

  • @josefrodrigez5936
    @josefrodrigez5936 Рік тому

    I remember purchasing two 650 mosfets from Mike Mineo "Brooklyns best Audio".. He shook my habd and said ..welcome to the Rockford Fosgate family"..

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      👌😬👍

  • @SuckItYouTube19
    @SuckItYouTube19 Рік тому

    Oh and the splice to make two amps look like one BIG amp were the shizzz!!👍👍👍👍

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому +1

      the amp links? Yeah they are more valuable than the end caps now!

  • @clydegelsleichter708
    @clydegelsleichter708 Рік тому

    Awesome, But keep the heat sink covers on !! Very necessary in the application ! 40 year R/F dealer, these were bulletproof as long as you kept the cover/heatsink installed......(Customer..."But I didn't have room")

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      It pains me to know how many of these were tossed or scrapped over the years

  • @Nanobits
    @Nanobits Рік тому

    For being an old amp, it does really good, even back then for the shitty speakers of the time it still did very well.

    • @SamCogley
      @SamCogley Рік тому +1

      There were some damned good speakers available in those days, even by today's standards - the IMQ Infinty Kappas (especially if you sprung for the Emit-N tweeters - I've been looking for a single for years to replace one of mine that unfortunately had an accident), the old "Superman" logo Oz Audio stuff, anything from Eclipse, etc.

    • @Nanobits
      @Nanobits Рік тому

      @@SamCogley ikr

  • @robtremble2277
    @robtremble2277 Рік тому

    YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY we called those the bar b q grill the next-gen we called the batman Big d wussup with a 500m retest on your new equipment I'm satisfied with mono 2ohm test cause that what we used them for if they fell in our hands i wish i had known that I could have run one to my jbl gti 12s back in the day instead of two punch 200s thanks for the test big d

    • @wal
      @wal  Рік тому

      👌😬👍