Stage zero is the unsung hero of the catch. I have seen the tower roasted on other launches. Everything needed to be pretty much flawless post launch to enable the booster to come back.
And roasted metaphorically, by the media and haters. How much did NASA's new SLS tower cost again? And how long ago now was that tower finished? Oh, that's right, its not finished and the cost is $2.7B (that's with a B) and counting. If you ever needed an example of why private enterprise is more efficient (and better) than Government this is it.
2:09 sheriff does a weave maneuver. Often seen in SoCal for creating a traffic break (see "the 405", the I-405 freeway); it also allows the car to run at higher RPM without leaving the escorted vehicle behind.
I remember watching when I first started in 2019 when hopper flew, I remember seeing sn3 cryo test because I was so excited to see what would happen even when I knew I had to sleep because I had work the next day good times man.😂💯🛸
I saw the first Saturn V launch on TV in 1967 and now Starship ! very exciting !!! But there was a rocket catch in 1967 also ! I caught my model rocket as it decended having flown it on a B engine !
If you can catch the booster and you can bring Starship in for a pinpoint landing, then you can catch Starship if you have a second tower. Until you have a second tower, it is a good time to test Starship with landing legs and land Starship on a barge. You might want to have elevated capture ring segments to embrace the ship on landing to avoid having Starship tip over if the barge rolls.
"That cop car" was doing what is known as a traffic break, although usually done to keep traffic behind it back, by driving across all lanes in traffic. (back and forth)
It's incredible 😲 Still getting over my shock of a successful booster catch on first try. My concern is still the TPS. Ship 30 held together so much better during re-entry but unfortunately it still blew up. Why? I'm not saying SpaceX won't eventually solve this, but the TPS is still a serious problem. Especially if they want Ships/TPS that requires no refurbishment. Also can't wait to see how they will catch the Starships. If they do it the same as the boosters it's likley to damage the TPS tiles. Meaning tile replacement. Its a few years away but I wonder if Nasa would even allow crew on a Starship that was going to be caught. Obviously the HLS versions for moon and Mars will need landing legs, but those don't land on earth. However, how will SpaceX test HLS Starship landing legs without testing on earth? It would make sense at tgat point to do 20km hopes with HLS Starships to verify the landing legs.
They may have the positive problem, that they need to change plans for flight 6, because it was planned as another booster landing attempt. The next things they need to work on, like heatshield issues, survivability of booster engine section, catch of the ship, fuel transfer in orbit, etc., may require redesign before they can test it.
Absolutely amazing how it went, worrying about the fire after catch. And how heated the raptors got from atmosphere, I feel another slow down burn is needed. Maybe as both booster and ship get lighter and raptor 3 with the extra thrust it maybe a simple solution?
They’ve got to vent the residual propellants somehow. Is that the way? Not sure. But I doubt a fire of that sort does any meaningful damage. As for the speed coming in… the thermal protection is being upgraded/integrated into the engines in raptor 3. They can also potentially flow an inert cyro through the regen cooling system in the bells.
The question regarding the next flight is what SpaceX wants from the next flight. It would be pointless to repeat flight 5 UNLESS they have made some interesting changes to the heat shield and want to test those changes. I think next flight will be late December.
14:50 The damage could have been caused by a collision with the hot staging ring. This can be seen in a long-range video. The defect then became larger due to air pressure and fire.
Question for our Kerbal experts out there..... Can Super Heavy booster under either of the two scenarios, make a flight from Starbase to Cape Canaveral? Its 1035 miles from Starbase to Cape. #1 Booster with starship, boosts starship into orbit and rather then return to Starbase uses that boost back fuel to continue forward to Cape Canaveral landing booster their? #2 Booster alone, no starship, boosts from Starbase, and without the weight of a starship can make a landing in Florida? If one, either or both are possible, that would be a way to "transport" booster and starship to other launch sites?
Скажу сразу - я не эксперт. Склонен считать, что SuperHeavy хоть технически вполне способна совершить перелёт между космодромами, но, такой способ доставки будет сопряжён с дополнительными рисками и прочими сложностями. В первую очередь - бюрократическими. Вобщем, ближайшие несколько лет водная транспортировка видится самым реальным решением. А вот в будущем, да, всё может быть
Booster 12 will not be re-used. It will be for data gathering only and maybe off to a museum. ITF 6 and 7 already have their own boosters ready. what data will be gathered from booster 12 wil be used to tweak Booster 13 and 14.
With all the propellant that was left after the catch, it looks like they could do an ‘entry burn’, like Falcon-9, which would greatly reduce return velocity, frictional heating and the aerodynamic forces that bent (warped) the nozzles. Just Sayin’...
Even though the catch was perfect, I’m still in favour of boosters having legs and being less dependent of the tower for a catch. Possibly having both options would be incredible ?. As power output from the raptors and fuel capacity increase these options might become attainable in the near future.
exterior of the booster looks better than I thought it would. Seems like they washed it down. HOw could there not be soot on the chime cover area that burned away?
Methane and Oxygen combustion by-products don't really contain sooty molecules. Kerosene on the other hand, which is used in Falcon 9, has lots of sooty molecules in it's combustion by-products.
The booster is way more useful than just Starship. They just need a second stage to facilitate large loads. *Why limit to that beast to a project in development when you could start cashflowing heavier loads within two years?*
All im saying. It’s going to be very very difficult for the starship with this TPS philosophy to be reusable like the booster. The whole point of using steel was to take advantage of its heat properties, but they are finding that if the TPS fails enough all the steel is going to do is bring the ship back in a near unusable state. The only option is going to be the shuttle option. Of having the heat tiles take the thermal load and can never fail like they did on flight 5.
If that’s the case you might as well just build the ship out of aluminum and put some of the mass you saved into a beefier heat shield. What I would do tho is the SR71 solution: titanium ship with some spray on ablator before each flight like a deicing fluid. But ya know shoot for the stars b an an
Now that SpaceX has a booster that has actually been fully flown to inspect, great progress will be made fast. I will pray for Elon and my vote will support him, not incriminate him. God Bless!
part of the decision making about going for catch on flight 5 had to even just a little consider the cost of each launch of the Super Heavy Booster and Starship. Maybe $100 - $200 million per launch of booster/starship.
Asinine financial figures. The only way you get anywhere near that is including R&D, which is not what should be done when calculating the cost of a launch.
Stage zero is the unsung hero of the catch. I have seen the tower roasted on other launches. Everything needed to be pretty much flawless post launch to enable the booster to come back.
And roasted metaphorically, by the media and haters. How much did NASA's new SLS tower cost again? And how long ago now was that tower finished? Oh, that's right, its not finished and the cost is $2.7B (that's with a B) and counting. If you ever needed an example of why private enterprise is more efficient (and better) than Government this is it.
Here since hoppy and I think you guys do a great job of recording history in progress.
The Bergenator always brings concise commentary!
They caught it!!!!!! Amazing job congratulations @SpaceX
Thanks! Great jobs by the entire NSF team.
Sorry I missed this live. I remember watching the grass catch on fire
Why would you be sorry? He doesn’t care. He probably doesn’t even know you exist.
Here since Hoppy and loving it!🎉
2:09 sheriff does a weave maneuver. Often seen in SoCal for creating a traffic break (see "the 405", the I-405 freeway); it also allows the car to run at higher RPM without leaving the escorted vehicle behind.
Thank you Chris B awesome coverage of the rollback!!!
That Pepperoni pizza was amazing on the bottom of the booster!
It gave me molten lava in a volcano with cold spots
Not only hopper, I have been watching launches since redstone!
Real OGs have been watching since fireworks were invented by the ancient chinese a thousand years ago
SN6 was when I started watching
I remember I used to stay up in the night at 3 am only to be delayed 4 hours or scrubbed entirely😂
I remember watching when I first started in 2019 when hopper flew, I remember seeing sn3 cryo test because I was so excited to see what would happen even when I knew I had to sleep because I had work the next day good times man.😂💯🛸
Missed the live but caught up with the replay and I have been here Texas tank watching since Hopper 😊 love everything you guys do
At 19:46
Two successful prototypes in the same shot.
Nice work.
Very interesting conversation- well done.
Best end to a live stream!
it looks remarkably clean on the off side.
Booster slow rolling past Hoppy was priceless....
I love that you gave that landscape company ad time at the end. Excellent phone number visual!
Got introduced via the BFR and SN5, then started watching "live" around IFT-3
I saw the first Saturn V launch on TV in 1967 and now Starship ! very exciting !!! But there was a rocket catch in 1967 also ! I caught my model rocket as it decended having flown it on a B engine !
a beautiful view of the prodigal booster
Amazingly clean rocket. No more sooty rockets in the future. The future is clean and very sci-fi-like. Go SpaceX!
At 1.13.11 the Tanker drove past with a picture of the Shuttle on the side... AND CHRIS B DIDN'T MENTION IT!
I was looking away. You would have heard me squeal otherwise :D
That just happened! Shake And Bake!"
I was sadly not watching during hopper's test. I started watching y'all at I think SN6.
Me too. Got me through the lockdown and quarantine.
Same here started at SN6
SpaceX will not probably refly booster 12. It will go to the museum.
It’ll go to the chop shop to be analyzed
If you can catch the booster and you can bring Starship in for a pinpoint landing, then you can catch Starship if you have a second tower.
Until you have a second tower, it is a good time to test Starship with landing legs and land Starship on a barge. You might want to have elevated capture ring segments to embrace the ship on landing to avoid having Starship tip over if the barge rolls.
"That cop car" was doing what is known as a traffic break, although usually done to keep traffic behind it back, by driving across all lanes in traffic. (back and forth)
Amazing!
Thanks!
Since you guys asked, I was around before the first Falcon 1 launch until today. Starhopper? That seems like yesterday.
They should put booster 12 in a museum
I was thing the same thing. SpaceX needs to have their own museum of history.
If they gut it out and lay it down. It becomes the museam
Did they try reconnecting the the rapid fuel connect , or was it too damaged ? Paul
Good
Closeup of disconnect doesn’t look damaged , why did they not reconnect?
It did reconnect with the quick disconnect
Great; unexpected and fun.
Why reply older versions of the boosters when they have newer ones waiting to fly?
Refly not reply
They can still get data. Marginal cost of flying an old one is a few million for fuel and labor. As long as it doesn’t kill the tower.
Can they add a camera shutter style shield below the engine bells to prevent all that heating and fires?
THANK YOU FOR SHARING!! EVERY MOMENT IS THRILLING & CONGRATS!! 👍 ❤️ 🇺🇸 ❤️ 🇺🇸 🚀 🚀 🙏 🙏
It's incredible 😲 Still getting over my shock of a successful booster catch on first try.
My concern is still the TPS. Ship 30 held together so much better during re-entry but unfortunately it still blew up. Why?
I'm not saying SpaceX won't eventually solve this, but the TPS is still a serious problem. Especially if they want Ships/TPS that requires no refurbishment. Also can't wait to see how they will catch the Starships. If they do it the same as the boosters it's likley to damage the TPS tiles. Meaning tile replacement. Its a few years away but I wonder if Nasa would even allow crew on a Starship that was going to be caught.
Obviously the HLS versions for moon and Mars will need landing legs, but those don't land on earth. However, how will SpaceX test HLS Starship landing legs without testing on earth? It would make sense at tgat point to do 20km hopes with HLS Starships to verify the landing legs.
They may have the positive problem, that they need to change plans for flight 6, because it was planned as another booster landing attempt. The next things they need to work on, like heatshield issues, survivability of booster engine section, catch of the ship, fuel transfer in orbit, etc., may require redesign before they can test it.
Hey Jack, run over to the HEB in Brownsville and grab a package of Pepperidge Farms Everything bagels.
That should hold you over.
Absolutely amazing how it went, worrying about the fire after catch. And how heated the raptors got from atmosphere, I feel another slow down burn is needed. Maybe as both booster and ship get lighter and raptor 3 with the extra thrust it maybe a simple solution?
They’ve got to vent the residual propellants somehow. Is that the way? Not sure. But I doubt a fire of that sort does any meaningful damage. As for the speed coming in… the thermal protection is being upgraded/integrated into the engines in raptor 3. They can also potentially flow an inert cyro through the regen cooling system in the bells.
The question regarding the next flight is what SpaceX wants from the next flight. It would be pointless to repeat flight 5 UNLESS they have made some interesting changes to the heat shield and want to test those changes. I think next flight will be late December.
14:50 The damage could have been caused by a collision with the hot staging ring. This can be seen in a long-range video. The defect then became larger due to air pressure and fire.
They need to put that booster beside Star Hopper. It is just as import if not more important now.
Question for our Kerbal experts out there..... Can Super Heavy booster under either of the two scenarios, make a flight from Starbase to Cape Canaveral? Its 1035 miles from Starbase to Cape.
#1 Booster with starship, boosts starship into orbit and rather then return to Starbase uses that boost back fuel to continue forward to Cape Canaveral landing booster their?
#2 Booster alone, no starship, boosts from Starbase, and without the weight of a starship can make a landing in Florida?
If one, either or both are possible, that would be a way to "transport" booster and starship to other launch sites?
I haven’t played KSP in a while but the first scenario sounds highly dubious and the second one sounds vaguely possible
Скажу сразу - я не эксперт.
Склонен считать, что SuperHeavy хоть технически вполне способна совершить перелёт между космодромами, но, такой способ доставки будет сопряжён с дополнительными рисками и прочими сложностями. В первую очередь - бюрократическими.
Вобщем, ближайшие несколько лет водная транспортировка видится самым реальным решением.
А вот в будущем, да, всё может быть
Booster 12 will not be re-used. It will be for data gathering only and maybe off to a museum. ITF 6 and 7 already have their own boosters ready. what data will be gathered from booster 12 wil be used to tweak Booster 13 and 14.
With all the propellant that was left after the catch, it looks like they could do an ‘entry burn’, like Falcon-9, which would greatly reduce return velocity, frictional heating and the aerodynamic forces that bent (warped) the nozzles.
Just Sayin’...
Even though the catch was perfect, I’m still in favour of boosters having legs and being less dependent of the tower for a catch.
Possibly having both options would be incredible ?.
As power output from the raptors and fuel capacity increase these options might become attainable in the near future.
@nasaspaceflight how did qd arm hold up?
I was around for hopper test's.
exterior of the booster looks better than I thought it would. Seems like they washed it down. HOw could there not be soot on the chime cover area that burned away?
Methane and Oxygen combustion by-products don't really contain sooty molecules. Kerosene on the other hand, which is used in Falcon 9, has lots of sooty molecules in it's combustion by-products.
The booster is way more useful than just Starship. They just need a second stage to facilitate large loads.
*Why limit to that beast to a project in development when you could start cashflowing heavier loads within two years?*
Change the warped bells out, clean it all up, send it again!
I watched hopper up til now 👍
Respect to booster 12
yes I honor Hopper. googly eyes would have been cute looking up at the chopsticks.
Those Nfs nerd with there cooking and muffin are preventing me to Sub
1:38:08 mood
Sawyer is growing as an entertainer
I wonder who will build the first disposable 2nd stage
Either NASA or Germany, I can’t quite remember
after inspection b12 should be headed to National Air & Space Museum in DC
All im saying. It’s going to be very very difficult for the starship with this TPS philosophy to be reusable like the booster. The whole point of using steel was to take advantage of its heat properties, but they are finding that if the TPS fails enough all the steel is going to do is bring the ship back in a near unusable state. The only option is going to be the shuttle option. Of having the heat tiles take the thermal load and can never fail like they did on flight 5.
If that’s the case you might as well just build the ship out of aluminum and put some of the mass you saved into a beefier heat shield.
What I would do tho is the SR71 solution: titanium ship with some spray on ablator before each flight like a deicing fluid. But ya know shoot for the stars b an an
Just before Hoppy flight and landing
It’s a shame they’re gonna take it apart. Like, I get why, but it belongs in a museum!
I wanna see a WDR on the caught booster
Next launch 17 November.
Yes
Now that SpaceX has a booster that has actually been fully flown to inspect, great progress will be made fast. I will pray for Elon and my vote will support him, not incriminate him. God Bless!
ah yes because Elon designed, built and flew the booster all by himself
salute
Launch Ship 26 but with Stubby Nozzles
Bagel Devolution!!!
The excessive use of that sharpening/HDR filter looks awful.
Hoppy looks like R2D2
I can't stand YT shorts. Autoplay, autoloop, no control over the things. Drive me nuts, but I know, no one cares.
You're not the only one, I hate every about the bloody shorts... and refuse to watch them...
Yes I was
Ehh, No Way they Caught a Booster!!! 🎉
nothing wrong with the existing road
top
Tanker.... ship 26
Gnarly
2~3 week
🙋🏽♂️
Chine cover looks torn.
What are they going to do to de orbit a ship?
Realplayer
part of the decision making about going for catch on flight 5 had to even just a little consider the cost of each launch of the Super Heavy Booster and Starship. Maybe $100 - $200 million per launch of booster/starship.
Asinine financial figures. The only way you get anywhere near that is including R&D, which is not what should be done when calculating the cost of a launch.
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Me me
good shoots. not interesting discusion
lacks focus and blames migrants on things. they , for the most part, are not the problem, focus on the real problem
huh???? this is a space stream. go political troll someplace else
Been tank watching since Hoppy!
They caught a booster! 🏗🚀👀🙂