Wow - there is still at least one flying then. I wondered some months ago if there wasn't some kept in flying mode but thought there wasn't any. Very nice that there is at least one. (my father was loader mechanic of Tunnan and Lansen and since he was born he thus he was put in the reserve already 4 y after military service since the newer planes took over)
Sveridge made great engineers, they batted way above their weight for so many years. tbh, it was a great country to visit. One needs a fat wallet to visit there though, but hat may have changed with all the de-culturing over the last 15-20 years.
At least one of the Tunnan from Congo was returned to Sweden ... and is in a storage at the Flygvapenmuseum in Linköping (Air Force Museum), the home town of SAAB ... It is put on kind of a display mode in the storage, so sometimes special visitors can have access to it. Unfortunately for the museum the bullet holes on the aircraft was patched ...
fun fact: austrian airforce used them in the 1960s, some former luftwaffe me262-pilots from austria flew them. when they were made obsolete, one saab was placed in front of the barracks nearby where i grew up. as kids we played there and even sat in the cockpit, as it was not locked. it is now in a private museum
These Saab flying Barrels set world records. The British supplied hundreds of railway wagons of scientific and technical drawings, along with jet and rocket planes, engineers and pilots. One flew their top helicopter all the way to the south coast of Britten.
As a kid, my father went on a schooltrip to a mountain, in the valley below a couple of J29:s came flying and blew up an old bridge with rockets! Pretty cool!
hur känns det att veta att du kommer att bli tvungen att bli muslim om max 20 år? var det värt det att vara feminist, så att alla kvinnor skulle förråda dig och ta hit miljoner inkräktare? inget samhälle finns om det samhället inte följer guds lagar.
In the 50's on average 21 pilots died each year during risky and harsh training regimes. An insane death rate compared to other nations. My grandfather worked as a mechanic on the J29 and each year someone he knew died.
@@dthomas9230No it was because the pilots flew at treetop level in pitch blackness, there are stories of planes returning with pieces of trees stuck in their undercarriage.
@@dthomas9230 As the other guy said it was due to extremely risky training exercises and it was for almost the entire cold war not just the 50s and the j29. The goal was to train as if it was real and fly low and fast especially at night meaning alot of incidents were due to hitting water/trees or other obstacles due to this, tragic yes but also excellent for keeping the airforce in a good ready state.
[1:35] "Storm Bird" (or Sturmvogel in German) was actually the name for the ME-262 Figher Bomber variant. The original Fighter version was "Swallow" (Schwalbe in German).
I believe Sturmvogel (Storm Bird) is German for some kind of species of albatross. So just as Schwalbe/Swallow, a very good flier. Very fitting name for that plane! On a side note, the FW190 Würger, or Butcher Bird. The German name just means Shrike. Which is also called a Butcher Bird in English. But not in German, in German it is just a Würger (Shrike). Some of those German planes have names that sound so much more evil in English translation, than they actually sound in the German original. :-)
`Tunnan` is pronounced with a short `u`, not a long one. Emphasis is on the double N´s. However the J 29 was partially known as the widowmaker, due to the large number of crashes during low level flight manoeuvres. Low level flying has long been a hallmark of the Swedish Air force. A classmate of mine had lost his father in one such an accident with the J 29.
@@Frankie5Angels150 During those days, Swedish pilots (as well as in many other nations) often push planes far more than we would do today. So you see quite a lot of planes crash during the Cold War era you would today. So a large part of that was more due to reckless flying than the plane's characteristics. Though there are also quite a lot of planes from the Cold War era which where hard to fly. Many planes known as widowmakes out there. (Just to name a few. F-104 was known as widowmaker. Most likely the best known widowmaker. And MiG-21 was also known as that or had smilier flattering nicknames. And there planes where not bad per say. Indeed there some of the most well produced jet fighters.)
@@Frankie5Angels150 They were good at it , but flying 10 feet above sea level or 100 feet above tree top level in all kinds of weather, takes its toll on man and machine. There is no room for errors here. The SAF and the pilots themselves pushing the envelope as regards flying at low level.
Hi. The CCN1 used a compressor powered by a piston engine, it lacked a high temperature power turbine in the exhaust stream, so it wasn't a true jet. This was possibly because they lacked the metallurgy to make a high temperature turbine. My guess is that Mussolini, learning of Heinkel's success and wanting desperately for Italy to be seen as "right up there with the hot-shots", told his boffins "make me a jet too, I don't care if you cheat on the bits that make it go, just as long as it looks and sounds like a real jet". Those photos of Mussolini on the podium mark him as a very proud man, in a way a true jet himself: full of hot air. Cheers, P.R.
Not convinced they used AIM-9Bs in the Congo. The aircraft were chiefly targeting ground targets using unguided missiles. The AIM-9 Sidewinder series is an air to air missile.
I caught that comment too, and wondered about its inclusion. Additionally, I wasn't aware that the AIM 9s were available to forces outside of US and British forces.
The Meteor enter in operational service 2 or 3 months after the me 262 but the first complete Metor squadron was complete BEFORE the first « Staffel » me 262. yes the meteor mkIII was not so fast as the me 262 but was much more reliable and had better agility . But the 1945 mk4 meteor with stringer engines was a bit faster than the me 262…
@@leneanderthalien And of course, was to continue for many years in later updated versions. I think it may be still in use with Martin-Baker as a test bed for their ejection seats.
The German Jet development was off the work, which the Pommy bureaucracy whose immagination Failed Britton for a long time, of Sir Frank Whittle, a truely great engineer, whith classic doggedness!
@Joseph Kretschmer Hans von Ohain, the leading German jet engineer, wrote a very comprehensive foreword in the 'Elements of Propulsion, Gas turbines and Rockets'. In that foreword he states: _"The first patent of a turbojet engine, which was later developed and produced, was that of_ *_Frank Whittle, now Sir Frank._* _His patent was applied for in January 1930. This patent shows a multistage, axial-flow compressor followed by a radial compressor stage, a combustor, an axial-flow turbine driving the compressor, and an exhaust nozzle. Such configurations are still used today..."_ and _"From the beginning of his jet propulsion activities, Frank Whittle had been seeking means for improving the propulsive efficiency of turbojet engines. He conceived novel ideas for which he filed a patent application in 1936, which can be called a bypass engine or turbofan. To avoid a complete new design, Whittle sought an interim solution that could be merely "tacked on" to a jet engine. This configuration was later known as the aft fan. Whittle's work on fan jets or bypass engines and aft fans was way ahead of his time. It was of greatest importance for the future or turbopropulsion."_ and _"In April 1937, Whittle had his bench-test jet engine ready for the first test run. It ran excellently; however, it ran out of control because liquid fuel had collected inside the engine and started to vaporize as the engine became hot, thereby adding uncontrolled fuel quantities to the combustion process. The problem was easily overcome._ *_This first test run was the world's first run of a bench-test jet engine operating with liquid fuel."._*
5:41 How does making the wings thinner increase thrust? Sure, it would reduce drag, which would help make the most of the existing thrust, but it wouldn't create more.
During the Kongo campaign (22 UN Fighter Sqn), it's not very likely that the Sidewinder was used much. The majority of the work was ground support and attack of enemy airbases, where most enemy planes were destroyed on the ground. I venture that the ordnance used was mostly rockets, bombs and cannon. (Edit; You actually state in your video that it's the F model, introduced in -63, that could carry the AIM-9. No F models were deployed in Kongo and the wing was disbanded in early -63. Two planes returned to Sweden, the rest scrapped on site.)
Yea, the J29s in Congo were early models J29B, and later on two S29C reconnaissance were added as well. No Sidewinders but ARAK, Rockets for ground attack as shown in the video, and the 4 20mm guns were used for buildings, road vehicles, trains and other targets with good effect on target. During they height of production, one J29 rolled off the "assembyline" at Saab in Linköping every day.
Fascinating, a first class narrative about an aircraft that was ahead of our vampire and meteor and was a parallel to our axial compressor jet the Hunter and Swift. A great Video. Many thanks. Rmb5*
Only the general configuration-concept - pitot air intake, tailplane on boom, swept wing - is the same. Everything else is different. And frankly, there aren't that many ways to configure an aircraft layout. Also, while it's irrelevant, Ta 183 was a design failure and wouldn't be able to fly. I think I've heard that the actual aircraft some Swedish designer might have seen, would have been the Messerschmitt P.1101?
Ta-183 Argentine Pulqui 2 (1950) was designed jointly by Kurt Tank (with his team of former Focke Wulf employees) and the Argentine team, ironically with a Rolls-Royce Nene II jet engine.
Your research is systematic as usual but your delivery is designed to get hits rather than convey correct historical data. The J29 did not 'take the world by storm' - BS The old chestnut about the Me262 being the first swept wing fighter is WRONG. It had a 14 degree sweep to correct a CofG problem designed in before sweep was generally accepted - AS EVERYBODY KNOWS. According to you the DC3 would be the first swept wing airliner - WOW! The Tunnen had a 25 Degree sweep which was very modest and gave it a MCrit of 0.85 - about the same as the Tempest and the Me262. The F86, DH Swallow,and the early Supermarine prototypes had 40 degrees. The J29 was still in prototype form in 1950. It was a competent effort based on information from Switzerland in respect of German research. It did not suffer from the disastrous faults of the Me1101 because the aerodynamic and thrust lines were properly aligned and the tail empennage volumes were bigger. So you hype incorrect information and regurgitate stuff which is well known to proper researchers. In this way you distort history. I am an aviation historian and writer dedicated to facts not the regurgitation of mythology. 5/10 - try again.
@@arkie14 616 squadron moved to holland at Gilze-Rijen in late 1944 and flew some reconnaisance and ground attack missions there were painted white so as not too be attacked by allied aircraft i hope this was of some help
When I grew up any Swedish kid with a passing interest in military matters knew well all the Saab fighter jets. You could be woken up in the middle of the night and immediately recite: Tunnan, Lansen, Draken, Viggen, Gripen. (The Barrel, Lance, Kite, Thunderbolt, Griffin.)
@@ErikssonTord_2 Could be. I read somewhere that it was named “kite” because of the wing shape - the plane’s defining characteristic. And “dragon” just came as a bonus. 😄
Sweden sure knows how to develop weapons and military vehicles. I know, because i'm a Swede, and we're quite a crafty bunch of people, especially when you give us a reason to create something. If you ever need something created, just ask us Swedes, and we'll create something that will either chock you, or blow your mind. It's those two, and there's a possibility that you might just stare at the creations we create and have a lot of questions that you probably won't get the answers to, because while we Swedes are a straight forward people, we don't always answer any questions we get.
At Bråvalla where these first were deployed I’ve watched Bruce dickensen of Iron Maiden. He flew his 474 over the festival area, landed and made a great show the next night.
Just a small matter, NTGHA: When describing an airplane's dimensions, unless speaking of the "width" of the fuselage or other similar component, description of the distance from wingtip to wingtip is called "wing span" not "width", Also, when speaking of the interior area or capacity of any part of an airplane, the term is "volume", not "space". "Space" is what we call that which is beyond the Earth's atmosphere. Just to let you know.
Great narrative style D.S. It keeps you very interested in listening to the whole history. Guess Swedish, quirky and innovative have been the rule for Saab for almost 80 years.
This looks exactly like what would have been the German 2nd generation jet fighter. If it had actually been made. From my understanding the German jet I'm talking about, is featured in some on line war video games. I'm not sure of the correct spelling of the German jet ( it's some big German name)... You can see the designs of the German jet in the U.S. Saber, and early Mig designs as well.
Geez it looks like some of the late WWII German designs that were getting close to the prototype flight stage. Kurt Tank had something very close and Messerschmitt also had something similar.
The biggest disadvantage of the J29 was its engine. Instead of an axial compressor (as it was used in the German jet engines) the de Havilland Ghost engine used a radial compressor which is easier to manufacture. Not only is this type of compressor less efficient it is also more bulky in diameter. This produced more drag and gave the J29 the shape of, yes, a Tunnan. It also prevented the J29 to reach a speed anywhere near to the sound barrier.
@@peterinns5136 I dont recall the service interval for american axial compressor jets in the early 50´s, but I am pretty sure the difference compared to centrifugal compressors was not significant
@@peterinns5136 The engine lifespan was a design choice. A reasonable one, at the time the 262 became operational,.lack of fuel and pilots were the primary reasons for non flying 262´s. I´d wager engine overhaul time wasnt an issue at that stage of the war.
The two aircraft that broke the speed record were bog standard recce aircraft that did their receece run during the flight (previously held by specially upgraded Sabres).
Whats interesting about a lot of the early jets.The J29,Mig15 and the F86 with swept wings.Most of the ground work was already laid by the Germans.Check out the Focke Wulf section on Luft 46.
Thank you! Fascinating Glimpse of post-WWII military aviation history. I had never heard a PEEP about Sweden's fighter jet developments before the 1980s.
The Saab 1001 had a prominent, but not all-known german Jet-Fighter as ancestor! The Messerschmitt Me-1101! All other aft-war planes like that appearance were based on that type! And the Saab and the first MIG-Jet-fighter are nearly 1:1 copies!
@@thomascavanagh2702 He-162 looks like a cramped death trap and the Me-262 looked nice from the side until you look at it from the top and see how fat it is.
With improved avionics, the Tunnan could be an effective fighter today. Most jet fighter operations are not conducted at supersonic speeds, and the agile Tunnan could operate in air to air combat, air to ground missions, as a weapons system against armor, artillery, and infantry, and even, with modifications, off a carrier deck. Newer is not necessarily better.
As usual, all the M-I-Cs in the world, A) prevents SAAB from exporting their superior fighter jets and then B) start copying the design in a pathetic attempt to keep up. 1) The Tunnan was the first mass-produced swept-wing fighter jet. 2) The Draken was the first supersonic delta-wing fighter jet, almost a canard design. 3) The Viggen was the first true supersonic canard configuration fighter jet. In the US there is still, more than half a century later, not a single Viggen Configuration -- but almost all other manufacturers have made the transition. 4) The Gripen is by far the most cost-efficient fighter jet available for any country that just wants to defend its country. If you intend to invade another country, Gripen is not for you. Kinda reminds me of Tesla for some strange reason.
According to an aeronautical engineer friend, the low speed aerodynamics resulting in a number of lethal crashes was overcome when an afterburner was fitted.
The SAAB engineers at Linköping and hard training of the Swedish Air Force pilots were instrumental in keeping Swedish air space clear of Soviet invasion. In the 1950s and 1960s, the Swedish Air Force was one of the top Air Forces in the world.
Did anybody else noticed that the 10 minute and 13 second that the plane on the left had caught fire I had seen the footage originally where that was an American plane and they were too loud and fragments from the bomb had hit the plane and the pilot had to reject
"...to allow the wing to be as thin as possible, thereby maximizing thrust." Huh? How does a thin wing maximize thrust? I could see where it would minimize drag, but thrust is generated by the engine(s) no?
Call it ugly or whatever, it's very cute and its performance was not "piggish" but very good for the time. Some company must make an RC version... or a homebuilt half scale with a small jet...
There are flying model 29s available which range from just the plans to stick and tissue rubber or electric power to larger heavier RC jet kits for 90mm diameter electric ducted fan units or 1/4 scale models for small jet engines. A few minutes of playing in your favorite search engine will find them.
I´d love for you to look in to when the Swedish Air Force Saab 37 Viggen Saved the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. The Baltic express. And also how the Viggen got radar lock on the Blackbird. “In total I have five hot intercepts against the SR-71 to my credit. All can be described as successful,” Per-Olof Eldh, Swedish Air Force JA-37 Viggen pilot.
@@dakkuri1 No. The Blackbird was flying a well known and narrow flight path and the Swedes were able to anticipate it. The Viggen got missile lock straight on, on approach, as the two closed distance. There's no big story about the flight paths, the breakthrough was the new radar in the Viggen. Others had previously tried the same maneuver and failed to get a lock .
I saw one of them fly in Linköping yesterday. 32 Lansen, 35 Draken, 37 Viggen, and 39 Gripen as well. They put up a good show!
Lyckost! 😉
wow
Wow - there is still at least one flying then. I wondered some months ago if there wasn't some kept in flying mode but thought there wasn't any. Very nice that there is at least one. (my father was loader mechanic of Tunnan and Lansen and since he was born he thus he was put in the reserve already 4 y after military service since the newer planes took over)
1 year ago i was in Linköping and i saw a sk 60 flying over their residence.
The Swedish military aerospace industry has always had the advantage of not being undermined by either the British or Canadian parliaments.
Or United States Generals!
That could be said for most things here in Canada…
Sveridge made great engineers, they batted way above their weight for so many years. tbh, it was a great country to visit. One needs a fat wallet to visit there though, but hat may have changed with all the de-culturing over the last 15-20 years.
661 units in the 60s, put some perspective on that given Sweden's population...
@@infeedel7706 that’s practically one per person!
At least one of the Tunnan from Congo was returned to Sweden ... and is in a storage at the Flygvapenmuseum in Linköping (Air Force Museum), the home town of SAAB ... It is put on kind of a display mode in the storage, so sometimes special visitors can have access to it. Unfortunately for the museum the bullet holes on the aircraft was patched ...
The J29 at Flygvapenmuseum is not one that flew in Congo, or at least that's what the guide told me, it is painted as one though.
im going there this summmer
I saw the only airworthy Tunnan fly in a little airshow at the Saab factory four days ago. Lovely❤
I sat in that exact plane you are talking about once, and yes, it flew for the UN and was patched.
Trollhättan is the home town of SAAB though.
fun fact: austrian airforce used them in the 1960s, some former luftwaffe me262-pilots from austria flew them. when they were made obsolete, one saab was placed in front of the barracks nearby where i grew up. as kids we played there and even sat in the cockpit, as it was not locked. it is now in a private museum
Ja, in Goisern , wenn ich mich recht erinnere und eine in Zeltweg
@@franzobernosterer2557 In der Ramsau bei Schladming stand auch eine.
And then you got the best thing ever built, the J35 :)
Here in Austria there was an old J29 set on a children's playground. As a kid is was amazing for me to sit in this plane.
Fun fact about the 20mm kanon is still in service of swedish military today. First on that PV302 and now days on the patria 6x6
It is being scrapt now!
These Saab flying Barrels set world records. The British supplied hundreds of railway wagons of scientific and technical drawings, along with jet and rocket planes, engineers and pilots. One flew their top helicopter all the way to the south coast of Britten.
As a kid, my father went on a schooltrip to a mountain, in the valley below a couple of J29:s came flying and blew up an old bridge with rockets! Pretty cool!
hur känns det att veta att du kommer att bli tvungen att bli muslim om max 20 år? var det värt det att vara feminist, så att alla kvinnor skulle förråda dig och ta hit miljoner inkräktare? inget samhälle finns om det samhället inte följer guds lagar.
In the 50's on average 21 pilots died each year during risky and harsh training regimes. An insane death rate compared to other nations. My grandfather worked as a mechanic on the J29 and each year someone he knew died.
Ejection seats were not installed yet? Or didn't work properly?
@@dthomas9230No it was because the pilots flew at treetop level in pitch blackness, there are stories of planes returning with pieces of trees stuck in their undercarriage.
@@dthomas9230 As the other guy said it was due to extremely risky training exercises and it was for almost the entire cold war not just the 50s and the j29.
The goal was to train as if it was real and fly low and fast especially at night meaning alot of incidents were due to hitting water/trees or other obstacles due to this, tragic yes but also excellent for keeping the airforce in a good ready state.
@@fallout44454 stuck in an undercarriage which is inside the plane during flight...
[1:35] "Storm Bird" (or Sturmvogel in German) was actually the name for the ME-262 Figher Bomber variant. The original Fighter version was "Swallow" (Schwalbe in German).
The Dark Team have a habit for making all kinds of mistakes. Always treat their "documentaries" as being incorrect in a lot of aspects.
@@GrizzAxxemann Yup , not so much factual or fictional more like FICTUANAL ..
Thanks for the info
I believe Sturmvogel (Storm Bird) is German for some kind of species of albatross. So just as Schwalbe/Swallow, a very good flier. Very fitting name for that plane!
On a side note, the FW190 Würger, or Butcher Bird. The German name just means Shrike. Which is also called a Butcher Bird in English. But not in German, in German it is just a Würger (Shrike). Some of those German planes have names that sound so much more evil in English translation, than they actually sound in the German original. :-)
@@Niinsa62 not Albatross. Petrel, which there is a species called a "Storm Petrel" which would be where the "Storm Bird" derives from.
`Tunnan` is pronounced with a short `u`, not a long one. Emphasis is on the double N´s. However the J 29 was partially known as the widowmaker, due to the large number of crashes during low level flight manoeuvres. Low level flying has long been a hallmark of the Swedish Air force. A classmate of mine had lost his father in one such an accident with the J 29.
Soooo… they’re not very good at it. I see.
@@Frankie5Angels150 And the aircraft is flawless?
@webtoedman From old Norse, I suppose? A lot of English language is Viking lingo, other is Latin, and old French.
@@Frankie5Angels150 During those days, Swedish pilots (as well as in many other nations) often push planes far more than we would do today. So you see quite a lot of planes crash during the Cold War era you would today. So a large part of that was more due to reckless flying than the plane's characteristics.
Though there are also quite a lot of planes from the Cold War era which where hard to fly. Many planes known as widowmakes out there. (Just to name a few. F-104 was known as widowmaker. Most likely the best known widowmaker. And MiG-21 was also known as that or had smilier flattering nicknames. And there planes where not bad per say. Indeed there some of the most well produced jet fighters.)
@@Frankie5Angels150 They were good at it , but flying 10 feet above sea level or 100 feet above tree top level in all kinds of weather, takes its toll on man and machine. There is no room for errors here. The SAF and the pilots themselves pushing the envelope as regards flying at low level.
The reason I love this jet is that it is a very cute looking plane.
I've never seen one of these innovative jet aircraft. Live and learn. Your videos are highly informative and are some of my favorites.
We have one still flying in Sweden
Sadly these videos have a lot of false information.
My grandfather was a mechanic on this plane when he did his military service.
Very interesting. When listing early pioneer jets, don't forget the oft overlooked Italian Caproni Campini N1, which first flew in August 1940.
Hi. The CCN1 used a compressor powered by a piston engine, it lacked a high temperature power turbine in the exhaust stream, so it wasn't a true jet. This was possibly because they lacked the metallurgy to make a high temperature turbine.
My guess is that Mussolini, learning of Heinkel's success and wanting desperately for Italy to be seen as "right up there with the hot-shots", told his boffins "make me a jet too, I don't care if you cheat on the bits that make it go, just as long as it looks and sounds like a real jet". Those photos of Mussolini on the podium mark him as a very proud man, in a way a true jet himself: full of hot air. Cheers, P.R.
Did know a old tunnan pilot, he did love the plane.
That P.1110 had a ruddervator. Way ahead of its time.
Similar to the V-tailed Beechcraft Bonanza?
@@shauny2285 yes
The R in 21R stood for "Reaktion propulsion", an early Swedish name for jet propulsion. And the J in J29 stands for Jakt, or Pursuit in English.
Worth noting that "reaplan", short for "Reaktionsplan" is still a commonly used term for jet plane here in Sweden.
@@antarktis2851 - Aha! Jag har aldrig tänkt över vad det faktiskt står för. Hmh. Tack!
Jakt would in this context be just translated to fighter. It was a fighter aircraft mainly designed for A2A combat.
Not convinced they used AIM-9Bs in the Congo. The aircraft were chiefly targeting ground targets using unguided missiles. The AIM-9 Sidewinder series is an air to air missile.
Came here to say the same thing. I wonder what aircraft the Congo had...
@@markmuir7338 George of the Jungle was a formidable pilot, with 6 confirmed air to air kills during his time in the Congo.
I caught that comment too, and wondered about its inclusion.
Additionally, I wasn't aware that the AIM 9s were available to forces outside of US and British forces.
why would anyone use an air to air missile on a ground target?
@@colinleitch6245 Especially a heat seeker
The video intimated that the British designed 'Meteor' was a post war jet. It was actually fully operational during the later stages of the war.
Also failed to mention the British invented the jet engine Frank Whittle
@@edonaghy1 The German engines had a superior design principle (basically what we have today) but had to be scrapped after 25 hours of operation.
It was fast enough to deal with the V-1 doodle-bugs
The Meteor enter in operational service 2 or 3 months after the me 262 but the first complete Metor squadron was complete BEFORE the first « Staffel » me 262. yes the meteor mkIII was not so fast as the me 262 but was much more reliable and had better agility . But the 1945 mk4 meteor with stringer engines was a bit faster than the me 262…
@@leneanderthalien And of course, was to continue for many years in later updated versions. I think it may be still in use with Martin-Baker as a test bed for their ejection seats.
LOVE your presentations! Always packed with great info. 🙂
Sweden has always been a very impressive country in everything they do❤️🇸🇪
1939---the Germans had the jump on everybody. The Saab looks just as good as the Mig or anything the other countries had.
The Germans were always ahead. If history is any guide…the only way to beat them is to outnumber them.
The German Jet development was off the work, which the Pommy bureaucracy whose immagination Failed Britton for a long time, of Sir Frank Whittle, a truely great engineer, whith classic doggedness!
@@chriswandatownley1some common sense at last here Chris, I agree.
@Joseph Kretschmer
Hans von Ohain, the leading German jet engineer, wrote a very comprehensive foreword in the 'Elements of Propulsion, Gas turbines and Rockets'. In that foreword he states:
_"The first patent of a turbojet engine, which was later developed and produced, was that of_ *_Frank Whittle, now Sir Frank._* _His patent was applied for in January 1930. This patent shows a multistage, axial-flow compressor followed by a radial compressor stage, a combustor, an axial-flow turbine driving the compressor, and an exhaust nozzle. Such configurations are still used today..."_ and _"From the beginning of his jet propulsion activities, Frank Whittle had been seeking means for improving the propulsive efficiency of turbojet engines. He conceived novel ideas for which he filed a patent application in 1936, which can be called a bypass engine or turbofan. To avoid a complete new design, Whittle sought an interim solution that could be merely "tacked on" to a jet engine. This configuration was later known as the aft fan. Whittle's work on fan jets or bypass engines and aft fans was way ahead of his time. It was of greatest importance for the future or turbopropulsion."_ and _"In April 1937, Whittle had his bench-test jet engine ready for the first test run. It ran excellently; however, it ran out of control because liquid fuel had collected inside the engine and started to vaporize as the engine became hot, thereby adding uncontrolled fuel quantities to the combustion process. The problem was easily overcome._ *_This first test run was the world's first run of a bench-test jet engine operating with liquid fuel."._*
5:41 How does making the wings thinner increase thrust? Sure, it would reduce drag, which would help make the most of the existing thrust, but it wouldn't create more.
During the Kongo campaign (22 UN Fighter Sqn), it's not very likely that the Sidewinder was used much. The majority of the work was ground support and attack of enemy airbases, where most enemy planes were destroyed on the ground. I venture that the ordnance used was mostly rockets, bombs and cannon.
(Edit; You actually state in your video that it's the F model, introduced in -63, that could carry the AIM-9. No F models were deployed in Kongo and the wing was disbanded in early -63. Two planes returned to Sweden, the rest scrapped on site.)
Yea, the J29s in Congo were early models J29B, and later on two S29C reconnaissance were added as well. No Sidewinders but ARAK, Rockets for ground attack as shown in the video, and the 4 20mm guns were used for buildings, road vehicles, trains and other targets with good effect on target.
During they height of production, one J29 rolled off the "assembyline" at Saab in Linköping every day.
Fascinating, a first class narrative about an aircraft that was ahead of our vampire and meteor and was a parallel to our axial compressor jet the Hunter and Swift. A great Video. Many thanks. Rmb5*
Worth to mention swedish types designations: J- " jakt" ( fighter) JA " jakt, attack" ( fighter bomber) S - " spaning" ( recon)
One of several that appear to be based on the FW Ta 183 designed by Kurt Tank
Way too much like it..
Absolutely 👍
Only the general configuration-concept - pitot air intake, tailplane on boom, swept wing - is the same. Everything else is different. And frankly, there aren't that many ways to configure an aircraft layout. Also, while it's irrelevant, Ta 183 was a design failure and wouldn't be able to fly. I think I've heard that the actual aircraft some Swedish designer might have seen, would have been the Messerschmitt P.1101?
RIGHT
Excellent video. All important facts presented in a short video.
It looks very like an Aircraft that Kurt Tank had on his drawing board developed to prototype level.
I thought that too
Ta-183
Argentine Pulqui 2 (1950) was designed jointly by Kurt Tank (with his team of former Focke Wulf employees) and the Argentine team, ironically with a Rolls-Royce Nene II jet engine.
@@Coyote27981 pulquis 2
@@albonyo no S, Pulqui. It means arrow head in Mapuche.
It was like the Bell, and the Yak jet!
that is the cutest little airplane like an advance war plane sprite.
I think it is a beautiful fighter.
Can't wait to hear about this Aicraft, seems very cool. I like Aicraft.
1:36 - NOPE! The Me 262 was called the "Schwalbe" (Swallow). The "Stormbird" was the "JABO" (fighter-bomber) version, which came later.
Är det Sven Lindberg från filmen Gula divisionen vid 7:53?
Great video. I'm happy I wear headphones as I can enjoy the awesome sound too 👌
It's so fun to see the Me 262 in a tail dragger configuration.
Look at the Focke Wulf Ta 183.
You have not mentioned, that the J 29 also served in Austria.
Such a cool looking aircraft, even now. It was followed by the Lansen, and then by the revolutionary Draken and Viggen.
Your research is systematic as usual but your delivery is designed to get hits rather than convey correct historical data. The J29 did not 'take the world by storm' - BS
The old chestnut about the Me262 being the first swept wing fighter is WRONG. It had a 14 degree sweep to correct a CofG problem designed in before sweep was generally accepted - AS EVERYBODY KNOWS. According to you the DC3 would be the first swept wing airliner - WOW! The Tunnen had a 25 Degree sweep which was very modest and gave it a MCrit of 0.85 - about the same as the Tempest and the Me262. The F86, DH Swallow,and the early Supermarine prototypes had 40 degrees. The J29 was still in prototype form in 1950. It was a competent effort based on information from Switzerland in respect of German research. It did not suffer from the disastrous faults of the Me1101 because the aerodynamic and thrust lines were properly aligned and the tail empennage volumes were bigger. So you hype incorrect information and regurgitate stuff which is well known to proper researchers. In this way you distort history.
I am an aviation historian and writer dedicated to facts not the regurgitation of mythology. 5/10 - try again.
Maybe do your own videos and show us the facts.
C'mon troll. We will wait.
The Germans were way behind the British in jet engine and plane technology.
I didn't know about this aircraft til now.. Thank you for the fascinating video 👍
the Gloster Meteor flew operationally during World War 2 flying against V1 flying bombs and some ground attack missions over continental europe
Don't think it flew ground attack missions- the RAF were forbidden flying it over German-held territory lest it be shot down and salvaged.
@@arkie14 616 squadron moved to holland at Gilze-Rijen in late 1944 and flew some reconnaisance and ground attack missions there were painted white so as not too be attacked by allied aircraft i hope this was of some help
4 P80s were also deployed to Europe before the end of the war. 2 to England and 2 to Italy. They didn't engage in combat operations though.
So, Hitler was a madman ordering Me-262 to do bombing while Churchill was genius for doing the s(h)ame?
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Where are you getting that from these comments?
Nice to pick out the wing detail developments over time as they toyed with the sound barrier and airframe critical mach number.
Good film, about a plane most do not know about. I love your vids!
When I grew up any Swedish kid with a passing interest in military matters knew well all the Saab fighter jets. You could be woken up in the middle of the night and immediately recite: Tunnan, Lansen, Draken, Viggen, Gripen. (The Barrel, Lance, Kite, Thunderbolt, Griffin.)
Draken that's a dragon, or a drake, that is, a male mallard! Viggen could refer to a lightning bolt, or a tufted duck.
@@ErikssonTord_2 Could be. I read somewhere that it was named “kite” because of the wing shape - the plane’s defining characteristic. And “dragon” just came as a bonus. 😄
Draken could also be a kite (not the bird!), as Eduardo has pointed out!
Sweden sure knows how to develop weapons and military vehicles. I know, because i'm a Swede, and we're quite a crafty bunch of people, especially when you give us a reason to create something. If you ever need something created, just ask us Swedes, and we'll create something that will either chock you, or blow your mind. It's those two, and there's a possibility that you might just stare at the creations we create and have a lot of questions that you probably won't get the answers to, because while we Swedes are a straight forward people, we don't always answer any questions we get.
Great video and content as usual 👌
What a little beauty!
Me 262 swept wing not aerodynamic but to correct error in C of G as boeing did with DC3
At Bråvalla where these first were deployed I’ve watched Bruce dickensen of Iron Maiden. He flew his 474 over the festival area, landed and made a great show the next night.
Just a small matter, NTGHA: When describing an airplane's dimensions, unless speaking of the "width" of the fuselage or other similar component, description of the distance from wingtip to wingtip is called "wing span" not "width",
Also, when speaking of the interior area or capacity of any part of an airplane, the term is "volume", not "space".
"Space" is what we call that which is beyond the Earth's atmosphere.
Just to let you know.
I applaud your research in making this video.
Except that their research is faulty as usual :/
In Austria 🇦🇹 Europa we hade those planes too! We called it die Fliegende Tonne. 😺👍🇦🇹🐺
Hehe yup that's exactly what the Swedish nickname for it is. "The flying barrel" for anyone wondering :)
Great narrative style D.S. It keeps you very interested in listening to the whole history. Guess Swedish, quirky and innovative have been the rule for Saab for almost 80 years.
This looks exactly like what would have been the German 2nd generation jet fighter. If it had actually been made.
From my understanding the German jet I'm talking about, is featured in some on line war video games.
I'm not sure of the correct spelling of the German jet ( it's some big German name)...
You can see the designs of the German jet in the U.S. Saber, and early Mig designs as well.
8:03 That's a pretty good pronunciation of "Flygande Tunnan" - as a Swede; I approve.
That was great - thanks!
That is the closet to Kurt Tank's TA 183. I wonder if the Swedes had an in to Tank's designs?
Geez it looks like some of the late WWII German designs that were getting close to the prototype flight stage. Kurt Tank had something very close and Messerschmitt also had something similar.
The biggest disadvantage of the J29 was its engine. Instead of an axial compressor (as it was used in the German jet engines) the de Havilland Ghost engine used a radial compressor which is easier to manufacture. Not only is this type of compressor less efficient it is also more bulky in diameter. This produced more drag and gave the J29 the shape of, yes, a Tunnan. It also prevented the J29 to reach a speed anywhere near to the sound barrier.
It also did not fail after a couple of hours of running time.
@@peterinns5136 Compared to axial compressors, you mean?
@@peterinns5136 I dont recall the service interval for american axial compressor jets in the early 50´s, but I am pretty sure the difference compared to centrifugal compressors was not significant
@@juslitor I was referring specifically to the Me262's engine. Along with a long take off, the engine was the greatest weakness.
@@peterinns5136 The engine lifespan was a design choice. A reasonable one, at the time the 262 became operational,.lack of fuel and pilots were the primary reasons for non flying 262´s. I´d wager engine overhaul time wasnt an issue at that stage of the war.
Greetings from Sweden!
That's the "Tunnan" ❤🎉
The two aircraft that broke the speed record were bog standard recce aircraft that did their receece run during the flight (previously held by specially upgraded Sabres).
Released their Aim-9d Sidewinders on ground targets?
Thank you!
Some of these clips are from the movie "Gula Divisionen" a Swedish Top Gun from the 1950s.
Whats interesting about a lot of the early jets.The J29,Mig15 and the F86 with swept wings.Most of the ground work was already laid by the Germans.Check out the Focke Wulf section on Luft 46.
RIGHT Me 262 for one
@@thomascavanagh2702 Wasn’t built for aerodynamics but for changing the center of mass instead.
Thank you! Fascinating Glimpse of post-WWII military aviation history. I had never heard a PEEP about Sweden's fighter jet developments before the 1980s.
5:48 wing thickness has no impact on thrust!!!! Wing thickness only affects DRAG!
Vet någon vem 3;e ingenjören från vänster är? Jag tycker mig känna igen Kurt Sjögren (2.44/11:04)
That was interesting. Seen pictures of this aircraft. But never knew it's history. 👍👾
Someone has heard about Kurt Tank's Fw-183?
Kinda adorable looks. Resembles MiG17 too.
P1101 and Bell X5
This and a south American fighter closely resembled late ww2 German designs that never quite saw production
I'm Swedish and my Grandfather worked on the Tunnan
Very very interesting. Thank you
The Saab 1001 had a prominent, but not all-known german Jet-Fighter as ancestor! The Messerschmitt Me-1101! All other aft-war planes like that appearance were based on that type! And the Saab and the first MIG-Jet-fighter are nearly 1:1 copies!
No its a focke wulf design by Kurt tank
Yeah. That's why the video talks about that fact ...
The Messerschmitt Me-1101 never flew.
It makes me chuckle when I hear this "tunnan" talked about in such a serious tone, since it means "the barrel" 😁
De Havilland Ghost engine, you're welcome.
SAAB, although it had difficulty with automobiles, was very successful with aircraft design.
More like had problems playing with the same set of rules as used by GM
Still are very good at manufacturing and designing planes
@@hidden_matrixgaming As well as trucks. Although all these have been split up a bit.
Possibly the coolest early jet.
try WW2 German Jet Aircraft
@@thomascavanagh2702 He-162 looks like a cramped death trap and the Me-262 looked nice from the side until you look at it from the top and see how fat it is.
Great stuff. Saw one fly over just a few days ago.
Those jets look startled!😮
With improved avionics, the Tunnan could be an effective fighter today. Most jet fighter operations are not conducted at supersonic speeds, and the agile Tunnan could operate in air to air combat, air to ground missions, as a weapons system against armor, artillery, and infantry, and even, with modifications, off a carrier deck. Newer is not necessarily better.
As usual, all the M-I-Cs in the world, A) prevents SAAB from exporting their superior fighter jets and then B) start copying the design in a pathetic attempt to keep up.
1) The Tunnan was the first mass-produced swept-wing fighter jet.
2) The Draken was the first supersonic delta-wing fighter jet, almost a canard design.
3) The Viggen was the first true supersonic canard configuration fighter jet. In the US there is still, more than half a century later, not a single Viggen Configuration -- but almost all other manufacturers have made the transition.
4) The Gripen is by far the most cost-efficient fighter jet available for any country that just wants to defend its country. If you intend to invade another country, Gripen is not for you.
Kinda reminds me of Tesla for some strange reason.
The ME-262 was tabbed Schalwabe or Swallow due to its speed and maneuverability.
According to an aeronautical engineer friend, the low speed aerodynamics resulting in a number of lethal crashes was overcome when an afterburner was fitted.
Love these ❤❤❤
Erinnert mich vom Design an die Ta 183 huckebein
The Swedish MIG
Hmm, its look like the final Ta 183 design - Ta 183 Entwurf III.
Informative video - thanks!
But a Pox on Google for three ads in an eleven minute video.
use Brave as a browser. i havent seen youtube ads in three years
That was interesting thank you.
The SAAB engineers at Linköping and hard training of the Swedish Air Force pilots were instrumental in keeping Swedish air space clear of Soviet invasion. In the 1950s and 1960s, the Swedish Air Force was one of the top Air Forces in the world.
Did anybody else noticed that the 10 minute and 13 second that the plane on the left had caught fire I had seen the footage originally where that was an American plane and they were too loud and fragments from the bomb had hit the plane and the pilot had to reject
Yes I so that , this Chanel tend to copy pasta videos from nonrelated events to fill video time 😂
Good eye. I missed the fire completely and I couldn't tell what the planes were except they had a swept wing
Another cool video. It would be nice if statistics were presented in metric too.
I love the De Haviland Vampire.
Only the Saab 32 Lansen left now.
"...to allow the wing to be as thin as possible, thereby maximizing thrust." Huh? How does a thin wing maximize thrust? I could see where it would minimize drag, but thrust is generated by the engine(s) no?
Call it ugly or whatever, it's very cute and its performance was not "piggish" but very good for the time. Some company must make an RC version... or a homebuilt half scale with a small jet...
There are flying model 29s available which range from just the plans to stick and tissue rubber or electric power to larger heavier RC jet kits for 90mm diameter electric ducted fan units or 1/4 scale models for small jet engines. A few minutes of playing in your favorite search engine will find them.
I´d love for you to look in to when the Swedish Air Force Saab 37 Viggen Saved the Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird. The Baltic express. And also how the Viggen got radar lock on the Blackbird. “In total I have five hot intercepts against the SR-71 to my credit. All can be described as successful,” Per-Olof Eldh, Swedish Air Force JA-37 Viggen pilot.
Whoa! You mean to tell me the plane actually caught up with the sr-71?
If only he had a missile fast enough to hit it....
@@dakkuri1 No. The Blackbird was flying a well known and narrow flight path and the Swedes were able to anticipate it. The Viggen got missile lock straight on, on approach, as the two closed distance. There's no big story about the flight paths, the breakthrough was the new radar in the Viggen. Others had previously tried the same maneuver and failed to get a lock .
An SR-71 had an engine-out, and was very relieved to get an escort from Sweden, as they were being chased by Russian fighters.
@@paullangford8179 Both engines?...