something other: We are living today in these generations were born after WW 1 and 2 and the late medieval seabattles between Spain and England. The goberno de Canarias ( I recently read about) saw a toursism problem with British geologists, after they had explored La Palma and came to the conclusion: The Southern part can brake off at anytime into the sea and cause a Tsunami.The crack through the island is visible for everyone.Tourist also visit still Indonesia despite its dangerous volcanoes!
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@lighttowers More of La Palma. If you inquire a little deeper, you can find that those British paper was supported,mysteriously, by an insurance company that have a lot of polices in US east coast.And that study, when it was released in US causes some panic, causing a increase of home insurance hire.
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@lighttowers Las Islas Canarias no se encuentran en una zona de subdución. Su volcanismo está asociado con un Punto Caliente situado en el Manto Inferior. Normalmente, la sismicidad en Canarias está asociada a procesos volcánicos. Sólo muy pocas veces los seísmos son precursores de otros eventos geológicos como deslizamientos gravitacionales. Por otro lado, la actividad tectónica del cuerno de África se corresponde con una zona constructiva, como una dorsal oceánica.
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@lighttowers More than this: African plate and Eurasian plate limit are not clear in Atlantic depths, but there are a little great fault near Azores from Central Altantic ridge to Gibraltar strait, that many geologist consider the limit of those plates. This is about 1.5Km north of Canary Islands, so it doesn't affect to canarian sismicity and volcanology. I reccomend you read some papers writed by J.C. Carracedo, F.J. Pérez Torrado, F. Anguita or ohter spanish geologist that know about it.
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@lighttowers Canary Island aren't in a subduction zone. The origin of volcanism in that zone is a Hot Spot located depth in the lower mantle. Normally, the seismic activity in the Canaries is associated wiht volcanic activity. Only on very few times (a few times in a million years), the earthquakes are precursors of other geological events, like gravitational slides. On the other side, the activity in the horn of Africa (the Rift Valley) is related whit a constructive zone, like oceanic ridge.
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@lighttowers Artic Ice floats over the sea, so I can't understand how it can affect the tectonic activity. In any case, the melt of siberian permafrost and other land ice only causes some vertical movement related whit hydrostatic adjust. In any way that melt can affect the plate movement. Your opinion on global warming isn't relevant on this topic, but I reccomend you again further reading writed by ICCP that show the difference between solar heat transfer and CO2 & H2O greenhouse effect.
Not much to see, the eruption takes all sight. but great!. Perharps that ship should explore what goes on beneath in the bay of valle del Golfo (before any eruption takes the sight there as well) where currently all the earthquakes occure/ have shifted to since Oct- 23. ? I think there is a larger subduction going on caused by the African tectonic plate ( google for " afar triangle"- or: horn of Africa )
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@lighttowers I don't know the geological characteristics of NA plate, so I can't talk about erathquakes on US coast. But I can talk about hotspots. There are hot spots in every types of lythosphere, due to they have their origin in the mantle, a "few" Kilomethers below the Astenosphere. In fact, there are hot spots in expansive plate border, like Iceland in the Atlantic Ridge, and totally intraplate, like Canary Island & Hawaii. Both archipelagos are similar & have only 2 main differences
@spycho80 : you wrote:Canary Island aren't in a subduction zone reply: of course "usually" not : At least the North atlantic is a spreading zone.Since some years regularly stronger quakes around M6.0 occure on the Cntr.and South midaltlantic ridge, those are barely explained. But the question is: If that fault in the Afar depression, that opened until 2005 "normally max. 1 mm /year widens with 1-2 m/ y since 2005) widening from the Afar depression downward 600o km and not opposite..(>2)
@spycho80 . The afur depression is not in Gran Canaria but at the horn of Africa / Red Sea. Consider, that most people refer to sth. someone was explored and written before in pasttimes, what does not necessarely refers to , what happens right now! I have read much from spanish gelogists about the volcanism discussing the hot spot theory . I wouldn`t doubt that A hot spot is however something special (compare: Santorin) , But I don`t discuss with people who call me a "liar" Thanks!
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@lighttowers Do you really think that the tiny solar radiation that isn't deflected/absorbed by atmosp. can affect the Earth's inside temp? The Earth's interior have too much energy to be affected by Sun. Otherwise, in a older comment you said that Canaries was connected wiht Africa like a peninsula. Newly, you're wrong. Canaries was formed, in their relative position, only by volcanic activity, and have, the older ones, only 11e6 y. Oceanic lithosp. there has about 200e6 y. Africa has much more
@spycho80 I did not say there is already a subduction zone ( one leads form East to West through the mediterranean extending further into the Atlantic) The African plate however makes the pressure and may just take the Canaries with the Eurasian plate in a grip. Most tectonic plate have by their mass intertia the tendeny to move westwards (resp SW or NW) against the Earth s rotation. Its proven that the many solar CMEs heat up the Earth. You find eva/ statistics on my hp/ link under my channel
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@lighttowers The 2 mainly differences between Hawaii & Canaries are the plate velocity (faster in Pacific Plate) & subsidence (not subduction). Hawaii have it, so older islands has been converted on atolls. Canary Islands haven't that subsicence, so the older islands (Fuerteventura & Lanzarote) keeps over sea. Neither hot spot have any tectonic fault aorund them. There are not any serious & scientific evidence linking Solar coronal eruption and Earth volcanoes. If it's true Why only in Canaries?
Canary islands are barely explored . Its difficult esp subseas as there are huge amounts of sediments. The Canary islands once were attached to Africa as a peninsula. I was on that part of the coast in Marrocco South of Agadir . 20 meter visible rock with many layers of black magma. form the size comparable to those near Germany`s Eifel.. Where did that large activity come from?I am perharps not that great expert,. But I try to understand geology as sth. globally,
@spycho80 that sounds better. I have lived also 6 years on the Canaries and was quite walking around in areas tourist dont go to. German burocrazy made it impossible Canaries have changed a lot since human civilisation and spanish conquest. I am from germany and this state has given up all its identity in favor of this angloamerican secret international society to the disadvantage of its citizens. They never mention it. But so far, you got me wrong: its for me not a political issue of any kind.
(2)Where is that continental plate supposed to move to? What most geologists have also not realized yet ( some meanwhile did) , are the increasing seismic activity in the Mediterranean, more even: Arctic sea along the boundaries of the Eurasian to the N- Amer. plate.From normally just 3 quakes (> 3.5) to > 20 in 2011/11 up to 6.0. I am not a supporter of the Co2 theory (the global warming comes from the Sun activ.)but the melting of arctic ice is the cause or that accelerated tectonic movement.
@spycho80 I mean I don`t call so- a liar who has another theory. What was with the sudden earthquake that hit the Us Coast? the NA plate moves towards the Northwest ( around Yucatan) But I don`t insist on that. So far as I know, hot spots can exist in subduction zones and spreading zones. The only thing what I can say is the activities on the Canaries increased after all recent Coronal mass ejections, those those hit the Earth.
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@lighttowers Really, I think than U don't read my words. I've NEVER denied CMEs & I've NEVER denied that they can affect the Earth, principally EM fields. But I'm sure (like other multiple scientist) that CMEs can't modify the core, matle, or lithosp. temp and dynamic. You had asked me about my work. Well. I'm oceanographer and now I'm a researcher partner in a environmental research centre in Valencia, Spain. And I've 8 y living out of Canaries. How about U? Are U even a scientist?
@spycho80 I wonder why you don`t call yourself " Psycho" but spycho. I found not many people who themselves refer to any theories and judge them simply 100% as true. Its enough now! you can have the last comment if you wish.- But just this:( google for " radiation" its just the same as light on higher frequencies) If the earth would be able to reflect the harder UV and x ray- radiation it would reflect all lower frequencies of sun light as well. We wohl live on a dark planet
@spycho80 Coronal mass ejections can have- so expert say the energy of 1 to multiple thousand of Hiroshima equivalences. sure much of science is theory and we have to live with Never heard about friction as well? Maybe you are working for tourist business and that is why you make so aggressive insulting answers and even put in doubt what sicientist like MPI say. They have issued an essay about how CMEs can heat up Earth So if you make another comment: let us know,. what is your profession?
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@lighttowers Ah! I forgot it: nice try to deflect this topic to other topics totally completely separated from geology. I'm thinking you need to belive in everything that real science has proven false. When you really know Canaries geology (or when you have a little idea of this), i'll be glad to talk with you about my motherland.
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@lighttowers Now you have fall into personnal insult. So you don't deserve any other wrods from me. But I'm more well-mannered than you, so I answered you. I NEVER said than Atmosp. absorbes/deflected 100% of solar rad. U only read than U like. Other, The gravitatonal landslide of sourthern La Palma is possible, but in GEOLOGIC TIME, not in human time. Do U see the fractures you talk? I do. And I say you that they're supperficials, ~12m deep, wihout deeper presence. You read a tendentious paper.
something other: We are living today in these generations were born after WW 1 and 2 and the late medieval seabattles between Spain and England. The goberno de Canarias ( I recently read about) saw a toursism problem with British geologists, after they had explored La Palma and came to the conclusion: The Southern part can brake off at anytime into the sea and cause a Tsunami.The crack through the island is visible for everyone.Tourist also visit still Indonesia despite its dangerous volcanoes!
@lighttowers
More of La Palma.
If you inquire a little deeper, you can find that those British paper was supported,mysteriously, by an insurance company that have a lot of polices in US east coast.And that study, when it was released in US causes some panic, causing a increase of home insurance hire.
@lighttowers
Las Islas Canarias no se encuentran en una zona de subdución. Su volcanismo está asociado con un Punto Caliente situado en el Manto Inferior.
Normalmente, la sismicidad en Canarias está asociada a procesos volcánicos. Sólo muy pocas veces los seísmos son precursores de otros eventos geológicos como deslizamientos gravitacionales.
Por otro lado, la actividad tectónica del cuerno de África se corresponde con una zona constructiva, como una dorsal oceánica.
@lighttowers
More than this:
African plate and Eurasian plate limit are not clear in Atlantic depths, but there are a little great fault near Azores from Central Altantic ridge to Gibraltar strait, that many geologist consider the limit of those plates. This is about 1.5Km north of Canary Islands, so it doesn't affect to canarian sismicity and volcanology.
I reccomend you read some papers writed by J.C. Carracedo, F.J. Pérez Torrado, F. Anguita or ohter spanish geologist that know about it.
@lighttowers
Canary Island aren't in a subduction zone. The origin of volcanism in that zone is a Hot Spot located depth in the lower mantle.
Normally, the seismic activity in the Canaries is associated wiht volcanic activity. Only on very few times (a few times in a million years), the earthquakes are precursors of other geological events, like gravitational slides.
On the other side, the activity in the horn of Africa (the Rift Valley) is related whit a constructive zone, like oceanic ridge.
@lighttowers
Artic Ice floats over the sea, so I can't understand how it can affect the tectonic activity. In any case, the melt of siberian permafrost and other land ice only causes some vertical movement related whit hydrostatic adjust. In any way that melt can affect the plate movement.
Your opinion on global warming isn't relevant on this topic, but I reccomend you again further reading writed by ICCP that show the difference between solar heat transfer and CO2 & H2O greenhouse effect.
Not much to see, the eruption takes all sight. but great!. Perharps that ship should explore what goes on beneath in the bay of valle del Golfo (before any eruption takes the sight there as well) where currently all the earthquakes occure/ have shifted to since Oct- 23. ?
I think there is a larger subduction going on caused by the African tectonic plate ( google for " afar triangle"- or: horn of Africa )
@lighttowers
I don't know the geological characteristics of NA plate, so I can't talk about erathquakes on US coast. But I can talk about hotspots.
There are hot spots in every types of lythosphere, due to they have their origin in the mantle, a "few" Kilomethers below the Astenosphere. In fact, there are hot spots in expansive plate border, like Iceland in the Atlantic Ridge, and totally intraplate, like Canary Island & Hawaii. Both archipelagos are similar & have only 2 main differences
@spycho80 : you wrote:Canary Island aren't in a subduction zone reply: of course "usually" not : At least the North atlantic is a spreading zone.Since some years regularly stronger quakes around M6.0 occure on the Cntr.and South midaltlantic ridge, those are barely explained. But the question is: If that fault in the Afar depression, that opened until 2005 "normally max. 1 mm /year widens with 1-2 m/ y since 2005) widening from the Afar depression downward 600o km and not opposite..(>2)
@spycho80 . The afur depression is not in Gran Canaria but at the horn of Africa / Red Sea. Consider, that most people refer to sth. someone was explored and written before in pasttimes, what does not necessarely refers to , what happens right now! I have read much from spanish gelogists about the volcanism discussing the hot spot theory . I wouldn`t doubt that A hot spot is however something special (compare: Santorin) , But I don`t discuss with people who call me a "liar" Thanks!
@lighttowers
Do you really think that the tiny solar radiation that isn't deflected/absorbed by atmosp. can affect the Earth's inside temp? The Earth's interior have too much energy to be affected by Sun.
Otherwise, in a older comment you said that Canaries was connected wiht Africa like a peninsula. Newly, you're wrong. Canaries was formed, in their relative position, only by volcanic activity, and have, the older ones, only 11e6 y. Oceanic lithosp. there has about 200e6 y. Africa has much more
@spycho80 I did not say there is already a subduction zone ( one leads form East to West through the mediterranean extending further into the Atlantic) The African plate however makes the pressure and may just take the Canaries with the Eurasian plate in a grip. Most tectonic plate have by their mass intertia the tendeny to move westwards (resp SW or NW) against the Earth s rotation. Its proven that the many solar CMEs heat up the Earth. You find eva/ statistics on my hp/ link under my channel
@lighttowers
The 2 mainly differences between Hawaii & Canaries are the plate velocity (faster in Pacific Plate) & subsidence (not subduction). Hawaii have it, so older islands has been converted on atolls. Canary Islands haven't that subsicence, so the older islands (Fuerteventura & Lanzarote) keeps over sea. Neither hot spot have any tectonic fault aorund them.
There are not any serious & scientific evidence linking Solar coronal eruption and Earth volcanoes. If it's true Why only in Canaries?
Canary islands are barely explored . Its difficult esp subseas as there are huge amounts of sediments. The Canary islands once were attached to Africa as a peninsula. I was on that part of the coast in Marrocco South of Agadir . 20 meter visible rock with many layers of black magma. form the size comparable to those near Germany`s Eifel.. Where did that large activity come from?I am perharps not that great expert,. But I try to understand geology as sth. globally,
@spycho80 that sounds better. I have lived also 6 years on the Canaries and was quite walking around in areas tourist dont go to. German burocrazy made it impossible Canaries have changed a lot since human civilisation and spanish conquest. I am from germany and this state has given up all its identity in favor of this angloamerican secret international society to the disadvantage of its citizens. They never mention it. But so far, you got me wrong: its for me not a political issue of any kind.
(2)Where is that continental plate supposed to move to? What most geologists have also not realized yet ( some meanwhile did) , are the increasing seismic activity in the Mediterranean, more even: Arctic sea along the boundaries of the Eurasian to the N- Amer. plate.From normally just 3 quakes (> 3.5) to > 20 in 2011/11 up to 6.0. I am not a supporter of the Co2 theory (the global warming comes from the Sun activ.)but the melting of arctic ice is the cause or that accelerated tectonic movement.
@spycho80 I mean I don`t call so- a liar who has another theory. What was with the sudden earthquake that hit the Us Coast? the NA plate moves towards the Northwest ( around Yucatan) But I don`t insist on that. So far as I know, hot spots can exist in subduction zones and spreading zones. The only thing what I can say is the activities on the Canaries increased after all recent Coronal mass ejections, those those hit the Earth.
@lighttowers
Really, I think than U don't read my words. I've NEVER denied CMEs & I've NEVER denied that they can affect the Earth, principally EM fields. But I'm sure (like other multiple scientist) that CMEs can't modify the core, matle, or lithosp. temp and dynamic.
You had asked me about my work. Well. I'm oceanographer and now I'm a researcher partner in a environmental research centre in Valencia, Spain. And I've 8 y living out of Canaries.
How about U? Are U even a scientist?
@spycho80 I wonder why you don`t call yourself " Psycho" but spycho. I found not many people who themselves refer to any theories and judge them simply 100% as true. Its enough now! you can have the last comment if you wish.- But just this:( google for " radiation" its just the same as light on higher frequencies) If the earth would be able to reflect the harder UV and x ray- radiation it would reflect all lower frequencies of sun light as well. We wohl live on a dark planet
@spycho80 Coronal mass ejections can have- so expert say the energy of 1 to multiple thousand of Hiroshima equivalences. sure much of science is theory and we have to live with Never heard about friction as well? Maybe you are working for tourist business and that is why you make so aggressive insulting answers and even put in doubt what sicientist like MPI say. They have issued an essay about how CMEs can heat up Earth
So if you make another comment: let us know,. what is your profession?
@lighttowers
Ah!
I forgot it: nice try to deflect this topic to other topics totally completely separated from geology.
I'm thinking you need to belive in everything that real science has proven false.
When you really know Canaries geology (or when you have a little idea of this), i'll be glad to talk with you about my motherland.
@lighttowers
Now you have fall into personnal insult. So you don't deserve any other wrods from me. But I'm more well-mannered than you, so I answered you.
I NEVER said than Atmosp. absorbes/deflected 100% of solar rad. U only read than U like.
Other, The gravitatonal landslide of sourthern La Palma is possible, but in GEOLOGIC TIME, not in human time. Do U see the fractures you talk? I do. And I say you that they're supperficials, ~12m deep, wihout deeper presence. You read a tendentious paper.