My Worst Client Experience - What I Learned
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- Опубліковано 1 кві 2022
- This video is for all the producers/engineers who work day and night to give their clients the best experience but still don't sometimes get valued, and instead get disrespected and looked down upon.
Always remember these 2 things:
(1) YOU SHOULD KNOW YOUR WORTH
(2) IF SOMEBODY PAYS FOR YOUR SERVICE, THEY DON'T OWN YOU
Happy learning 🙏🏻
Relatable? Anyone?
Sir aapke Mix/Master ka kitna charges lete ho
Had a few experiences like this ..
Sir it is so great to see this . I like it and i am starter in this field and it is going to be such a moral boost. Moral is that we are professionals ..but what we forget is that the other person is not ...he could be a pure layman and a stupid person... He does not even understand that music has no hard and fast rules...you just gain knowledge how to do it and rest is just your creativity
@@omprakashshorts5583 mtlb tumne video dekhi hi poori😂😂😂😂
Yes broo very relatable with me 🙂
The amount of patience you have shown here is genuinely shocking.
I don't think I would last more than the first message, immediately refunding the amount and letting them know I wont be working with them.
You continued working with them, even though they humiliated you and made such derogatory remarks, limiting you creatively all the while micro-managing you like crazy.
People having unrealistic expectations from mixes is a real issue in the industry.
Hats off man, massive respect for keeping your cool in this situation. Thank you for sharing your experiences.
Bro vo baat h na “half vessel makes more noise than full vessel” ye jo half knowledge h ye kaam khraab krti h vhi hisaab h kuch clients ka. Relatable h bro ekdum💯💯
Dealing with something like this rn, I instantly started doubting myself, my worth and art.. ‘)
But now I just know, Thankyou bhaiya! ❤️
You are the most polite person i had ever seen and this type of client should first know what mixing does it doesn't changes a shit into earcandy🤬 and leave bollywood quality you are capable of international quality!
Bollywood is also at toppest bro🔥
@@bhaveshmalaviya2230 Yes current Bollywood songs quality is top notch i like Eric Pillai, shadab rayeen and Hanish Taneja Quality
Don't judge people from outside
He kept the money in a revengeful way
Hey Vasudev!! Love your content. My best wishes for all your projects. I have had similar experiences with some clients. The only thing about those incidents that I regret is that I lost my cool. Love the way in which you handled the situation. Thanks for sharing this. 😊😊
Sir You are Peace ☮️
And Always will be That Love
...RESPECT REmains 🔥🔥🔥❤️
Ahh! This was just so relatable. Not only for music but for every single creative/IT related field. During my time, I got so scared.
dude everyone is a video editor , youtuber, musician and crypto enthusiast and a data scientist. Its 2022 . not 2012
can you believe that i learn PANDAS library in morning and do musical beats at night ?
@@jeekakrishna yes bro. These problems are spread everywhere.
@@jeekakrishna Damn! Good for you man! Keep up the hustle!❤️❤️
@@jeekakrishna hahahhh... So true
Truly said! Thank you for sharing such experience, much helpful to each and everyone of us!🙏❤
Yupp... absolutely relatable...
Thanks for the sharing the experience...
And good luck... 😇🙏🏻😇
Relatable! But keep on doing your work the way you do. All the beet for future projects.
Life is too short to argue just say "alright" and move on
That was utterly disrespectful! Loved the way you dealt with it. I'm the same when it comes to arguments, I don't like them, and I need to have my peace of mind. It's great that through the medium of this platform, you have so many people to vent out to. I'm sure, after sharing your experience and then getting support from so many people would be really nice and would've made the whole experience a little less scarring.
I too faced similar circumstances but not in the music world. People try to show dominance over you and the only way to set ourselves free from that trap is by not surrendering to them, which you very executed, like a true professional. I think people with fewer experience behave like this with the people they pay to do some work. Thinking that you own the person until he finishes your work is like taking a trip back to times when slavery was practiced.
You did what was the best which shows your maturity. Good Luck !
Thankyou for sharing.
Thank you for puting this out, full support bro
Thank you for sharing this video! Seriously, today I gained much more respect for you. Pehle toh thi hi, aaj aur badh gayi! Hats off to you!❤️
Thank you for sharing this! You are an inspiration to all of us 🙏🙂
You are the best Sir ❤️❤️ The most humble of anyone i have met till date in my workspace and learnings ❤️❤️
No worries sir
Ye sab hota rehta h
Don't feel bad.... go ahead, You're great🎉🎉❤
Something similar happened to me too a few days back. I liked how you handled the situation, I wish I would have handled the same way as you did.
He's a looser... ignore him & keep up the good work.❤
I like the your cool & calm way attitude that you handle by your side it's really professional
Thanks Vasudev, great video really learned a lot from this bro. Every word you said is true.
We are always with you sir ❤️
Hats off to you sir, for the way you deal with situations. I wish I had the same calmness as uh have. Learned something new with this... We're with uh stay strong. lots of ❤️
~This was super relatable, been through this & you handled the situation pretty nicely. Thank you for sharing this!~
Sir, literally thank you soo soooo much, even you don't know how big questions you've answered in this video. I always used to thing whenever working with client that may be only i have to send remixes to client again and again till they get satisfied. I thought that professional engineers finalize their project in one go. But now i get to know that it's the way how any business relations work between service provider and client. Thanks a lot 🙏
Even my clients used to go personal when they don't like anything. But the way i handle it is that, I only say one thing to myself and all that personal attacks become null and void for me and that thing is forgiveness, i say to myself that "it's okie, we are working for the sake of good music, they have their own way of thinking and i have my own, but our target is good sound which could bless someone's ears, they have their own values as a human being and i have my own" and in this way i cool myself down and never attack their personal aspects.
Not a single mistake made by you... You r great brother ❤
Sir hats off to you sir... What a peace full man u r .... I think apki jaga sir koi aur hota tho shyd inka koi kam krta ... but still u are a very kind person and humble person . ❤️🙏
All this can be avoided if you have a document that clearly states the delivery and deadlines listed in detail, before you sign on the project. It's called "conditions of engagement" and lists out every aspect of the project. Even things like copyright, IP, delivery timelines, if possible examples of similar final results, etc. I'm sure you can find templates online and modify it to suit your workflow. People can go back on their word, but it's difficult refuting a signed and accepted document.
This happens many time with me but I'd love being workless than work with an Oversmart and Rude guy.
This video explains many things in itself!💯 fir chahe wo isi field (music prod.) m ho ya koi or field ho. It's a fact that everyone has to deal with such kind of person/client in present or in future who knows🤷🏻♂️. It's a clear example of seedhi baat & no bakwaas. Reference lene m koi burai nahi h, but we should also understand ki har ek artist (including music producer, mixing & mastering engineer) ka apna signature & quality hota h work ka & hum usko kisi bhi tarah control ya force nhi kar skte. Self-worth, self-respect, tolerance etc; all play a key role in leveling up as what we do & who we are. Always do your best, take no bullshit & keep rocking✨ Thank you so much sir for sharing this experience🙏🏼 Raaiight🔥
My respect level for u has shoot through the sky after hearing this conversation Sir... 🙏🙏.. U r a truly a Gem for the Music industry... Such kind of impatient and rude clients also exists but u have shown us the producer's community the right way to approch and deal with such toxic situation.. God bless u more and more sir 😇😇
I too have similar experiences......... can't describe in words....there were situations where I felt "how can these guys be musicians?!"... Thanks a tonne for sharing out an experience in prior 💓...5:24 hurted me the most....20:41 - 21:11 was 🙏 what I wanted to convey to the clients at some point, though I'm always weak in explaining 🥺....anyways I love you as a person.... you're a great human 🙏...I love, infact the entire #Raightarmy loves 💓whatever you do for us #Raightarmy 💓
Some artist nowadays think that they know everything ..... trying to teach teacher about the basics .....but bruh trust me your patience level is great and your work is great too don't feel bad about the nuisance said by some artist
Uff! Heated discussion there. Creative process hai aur har ek project mein jaise jaise engineer proceed karta hai ideas aate rehte hai. I've learned mixing from Vasudev. The way he reviews the mixes and masters is way tooo good. He does awesome mixes. Its definitely a progressive thing.
This is the dark side of some clients, people think that this music thing is really amazing and we just make good music and they'll be like tumhari toh mauj hai, but in reality apart from focusing on our work, growing ourselves in this field, this is some of the baddest things that could ever happen with any of us, Agar koi humey kuch bhi bole hum vo tolerate kar sakte hai but at the end if anyone tries to call anything bad about our music about our work then it's gonna harm us alot, we all know how much kind and calm you're sir! You could never be rude to anyone without any reason, Hope you're doing well now sir! 🙌🏻 We can understand your situation as well as your feelings.
Welldone Vasudev. Unfortunately, in arts, we have to deal with such people. U r amazing
Same experience i had many time back few years ago. But after a time when i re listened my mix, i was able to find out the problem, then i found that clients can give better judgement on our mixes.
But clients must be polite.
This was a very helpful video
Thank you for sharing this experience ❤️😊
Thank you for sharing this ❤️
I feel there is a fine line between mixing and production. People should understand Mixing is done for enhancing and blending the sonic of different layered tracks and effects of the music produced by you. IT CAN NOT CHANGE THE ARRANGEMENT, THE CHOICE OF INSTRUMENTS or the COMPOSITION. Production is the base of your track, try to make your produced track as close to what you are expecting out of your mix (maybe use multiple instruments for doubling or layering), because it gives the Mix engg. a clear perspective of what you want, and obviously we can remove the extra/redundant elements from the produced stems.. in the final mix..
This is just my personal opinion on problems like this, when the artist can't really translate what he/she wants from the MIX.
Thank you sir for this lesson! 😉
You always inspires me 💯💯
You are so flexible, that's advantage for people with brains but will be misused by people who don't respect others. This definitely seems to be his first project (and maybe last with the kind of attitude). Patience is 2nd nature of musicians/artists I believe and you kept your cool, not him.
And after all that uh posted all those videos and knowledge for us thankuh brother thankuh❤️❤️
It shows how artist/composers rely on mixing more than their base production work, the product will be good only if it has a proper base structure, bollywood sounding needs lot of work and patience, and going through the conversation any professional artist wont ask to make the sound like so and so artist, we r in the field to make everyone sound unique not to copy someone.. your work inspire producers and engineers like us so dnt think much about it
God bless you brother..
Thankfully, I've only been on the verge of it, god be good, never had to struggle with such arguments (except for those free collaborations, lol)!
This was the description of my first client :) These people should learn everything & do it on their own.
More power to you ❤️
Makes me sick. More power to you brother❤
Daaaaaaaaaaaaaaamn!! didnt know aisa bhi hota hai. informative!
If the content isn't good... You can't do magic or wonders to make that sound like Bollywood tracks... Dumb clients are everywhere.,.. Keep doing the good work man ❤️ur doing great... Keep inspiring everyone
RESPECT Bro 😊💯
Really Relatable.....Thanks For Sharing
Hats off Vasudev for your patience and you Raight Army always knows the dedication honesty and soul you put into whatever you do be it teaching, music and being a generous supportive person always encouraging fellow artists and inspiring them.... Mr. Know It Alls will keep showing up and this is where one should know jahan khud knowledge na ho seekha na ho to trust the professional and his work who has dedicated his all time towards mastering a particular area and jisne apne area me bhi ye mehnat ki hoti hai use doosre ki mehnat ki kadar khud ho jati hai seekhana nahi padta.... I have been involved in limited projects but one thing we artists love to earn more than money is client's trust and our credibility in their eyes, even though we ourselves are in learning stage, and their satsifaction when we deliver a quality product surpassing their expectations.
Anyways you did whatever you could do the best and we all will be in support always 😇🎶 stay shining 🌟
Omg 😱
Aisa bhi hota hai ......
Thank you so much Vasudev sir
Kuch nayi seekh milli
Vasudev I know the world is like this only. Just don't get disheartened and disappointed. You are doing a good job and we are satisfied.. and you too are happy. Just carry on.
That was savage 😂" paise to refund nai hone wale". Right the Ass-client dont deserve, you have given ur time and energy
Music making or mixing mastering is creative process. The more time you give the better it will be. I am a learner and trying to mix and improve my one song since last one year. Even after sending it for Spotify release, i found some improvements and did the same. If you are a true musician you should understand it.
I feel you handled the things well.
I have learnt a lot from you and other teachers like dev, ragasur . If he wants song how Bollywood makes then..... He should listen to Ritviz, Bcs, ragasur their songs are way better then Bollywood songs. 👍
100% relatable to me (I experienced the same kind of Client )
Did anyone noticed that how Vasudev Sir handled the situation in the right way. Not only I got the knowledge of how to deal with such type of clients but also the most important thing I got to learn from the video was to learn give 100% in your work till the time you feel that the work is worth of the charges you are taking.
I also tolerated a client from Cocomelon TV and was pressurised to leave everything and do his work. And it was not possible for me to do this in my SCHOOL LIFE.
By the way!!!! I got an idea of what charges should we keep as a begginer for mixing and mastering.
Watch the full video for knowing Vasudev Sir's Mixing charges........
Thankyou so so so much
Link?
You are great sir
thanks for sharing your experience 😊
too much love from nepal 💕💕
Such good video bhaiya
i learn new things like service
be humble
thanks you for sharing this to us
And sir make a video for artist talk
BRAAAVOOO !!!!! I Face it a lot . So Much Relatable
Sir it is so great to see this . I like it and i am starter in this field and it is going to be such a moral boost. Moral is that we are professionals ..but what we forget is that the other person is not ...he could be a pure layman and a stupid person... He does not even understand that music has no hard and fast rules...you just gain knowledge how to do it and rest is just your creativity
Has happened to me before. There's a few headstrong, narcissistic and overall unpleasant people that make your life harder. I usually cut them off if i realize they're trying to undermine my work.
it happened with mee too .. Artist think they have buy us they wont ever come to time after all the track is ready he was satisfied at the next day he again said to record again from scratch and do mix and master again.. dam you make me remember that 🥺
Humare music ke profession me ye sab hota raha hai aur aage bhi hoga brother. But u handled it very carefully. Bas apne kaam ko respect karte raho aage sab aram se chalta rahega.
Keep going on brother.
Dhanyawad for sharing this
Uri baba go dada Spread love peace and happiness ❤️🙏😊
sir kya mix me artist ko whole song send karna chaiye ya sirf thoda sa part?
i can relate with you vasu bhai i think ye har artist ke saath kabhi n kabhi hota hi hai or how you managed it i want to appreciate you 🐱🏍🐱🏍✨✨
Kuch clients esa sochte hai ese ki jese mix engineer k pass magic wand hai gumai aur song ban gaya Bollywood mix...bahut sare factor hote hai production level par bhi jo mixing mastering k sath aage jake achi quality banta hai....
Keep the good work up sarji❤️lots of love
Bro .....being a sound engineer this is somewhat relatable for me too........already faced it😂
You are really an intelligent person, sir!
Thanks vashu sir for this kind information 😊
I can relate this bohot ache se since i am into Dance Choreography and music both.
But one thing i really want to share to you vasudev and to all other fellow mates that we have to keep things tight from the very beginning of a project.
Budget, time duration, number of tweaks, requirements.
Now in these Number of tweaks matters the most important aspect as you cannot just keep on changing or making slight changes as per the individuals choice because it ofcourse takes a lot of time and many a time it may lead to some unsatisfactory output.
Yes the client may have good taste of music but ear training and way of understanding the music arrangement will never be same.
Also we as "ARTIST" dont just work Primarily for MONEY but this rule literally cannot be applied to industry as majority of work has just become Busines only.
So just want to tell you that ofcourse put your complete heart for projects but dont give liberty or the power to the client to make you work for them ONLY.
#peaceout
Hi Vasudev,
This video feels like a schoolboy rant. 20:00 onwards was the "moral of the story". Rest of it felt as if you were trying to justify your actions (perhaps to yourself?).
In my opinion, the communication between a client and yourself should be confidential stuff.
Agreed.
I've experienced it many a times, but your experience seems to be way beyond than ours.
"I've a similar story like yours but she was non abusive and yes a bit decent. But I took it patiently like you."
- Sourav NeonD
Raight army is with you 🙌🙏
In India, most music producer and mix engineer deals with these kind off people or client everytime. As 12 years of experience in this field , I know many inhouse studios and many clients from corporates , production house or artists do these kind of stuffs.
Bro if client says distortion in mix just use a multiband limiter
I wish I could handle things the way you did
Always keep your cool.Audio and aesthetics are very subjective.Audio mixing is so vast.Don't feel demotivated or self deameing.🙏
Ekdum sahi... 👍👍👍
I have been a student of sir and I can say this for sure that he is a very sincere person. He is always evolving, always moving ahead and has inspired me to believe in myself.
I know you won't let this affect you any more than it should sir, but let me say this- you did great and it was his shortcoming as an immature person!
(shashank)
yes sir nature is most important in your life 😊😊 keep working mza lo 😃😃
Aap bahut respect se last tak baat kar te rahe woo hi aap ki sacchi pachan he acche ho ne ki
bus ek hi baat love u bhai
Your good soul ❤️
Almost same experience with me.. Client gave me a reference after final mix.. It was quite disgusting. Still that Project is not completed after almost 8 months
Hey pehli baat tou kafi smjhany ko mila aur jo tracks kay sound ki baat ki apnay kay na tou live record hua aur na acha sound kr raha yay yaad ata maine sudeep audio kay channel per dekha tha yrf studio kay head engineer nay bh baat ki thi people record in bathroom 😂 aur mix enginner ko keh detay isko sahi bnao 😅 aray pehlay recordings tou achi lao taky mix engineer us per kamm thk say kr skay i am from Pakistan and love your content .
There will be clients and customers who deliberately want to rob your money. It is their nature. It's everywhere they go do the same thing . Some people just get in habit of duping people. That's why clear terms and conditions and also with buffer conditions are important to be clarified beforehand. It is common with these type of clients be it any field. It is better to lose business than the headache.
I respect u brother 😇🙏
Aap bahut achhe insaan ho sir ji
2 years ago I worked with a new artist(he dropped his 1st song 1 month ago, I took a very basic fee of 1000rs. He knew nothing about music let alone mixing but he did the same thing. Took around 35 revisions of the same track, he actually wanted me to fix his bad vocal delivery. I don't say that I was perfect or very good at mixing but that guy really thought that he owned me just because he gave 1000rs and kind of abused me. From that day I asked my clients to listen to my work before giving advance money and I capped my revisions to 5.
Bro Saste pase mei waise hii log milte hai. Next time thoda expensive rakhna fees phir waisa hii client milega
@@aryashorts656 2 years ago
You need to grow your market.
@@aryashorts656 hahaha
Welcome to the industry of music....Abhi aur bhi boht kuch sikhoge tum..... Abhi... U r new
U r right bro.....The world is so cruel🥲..... We supports u we support the right...
#raightarmy✊