You admire a person who does not know another person saying to that other person on first meeting them "I don't like you"? Only an insecure jerk does that. Nothing admirable about that. It's not like Jane Fonda was on record as a bigot or as a person lacking empathy.
@@joeanonymous1834 Um, yeah. You might not have liked her politics (although she turned out to be mostly correct), but she's not a bigot and her political activities have always been directed to helping the "other."
Ms Hepburn doesn't seemed like the person who talked bad about people behind their backs. She just went to confront the person directly about her feelings.
Its so true Cal L. Its humorous to me that Ms. Hanoi can cry victim about others in the past but its right after Ms. Hanoi torches you and talks behind your back; the sign of an elite or so Ms. Hanoi acts like.
@@Dbusdriver71 it’s humorous to me that you let one photograph in 1972 dictate your entire opinion of this complex person. People are more complex than a single action they do or don’t do. It was 50 years ago. My goodness, bless that bitter heart.
She didn't like Meryl Streep either. She felt that Meryl was too hung up on technique and it showed that she was acting instead of making one believe that she wasn't.
Meryl sleep was applauding for Roman Polanski. Now go do research of what kind of man Roman Polanski is when he took advantage sexually of a 13 year old girl and then he went to France when he was about to get convicted. Hollywood is vile
Bette Davis thought Meryl was the best contemporary actress before she passed.I guess there were varying opinions about the younger generation of actors by the legends
I once saw Marlo Thomas's husband, Phil Donohue, interview Katherine Hepburn, on his show. He devoted an hour to her talking about her autobiography called "Me." At the end he asked her to autograph a copy for him. She asked his name and admitted she didn't know him despite his being on TV for 28 years. She wasn't kidding. She had him spell his last name. He laughed but was flabbergasted.
That's an old way of slamming a person that is full of themselves or a phoney At the end of the conversation and their all puffed up or think they made a new friend. You point blank ask them, Who are you? That just deflates their Big ego. Learned it from an old politician when BSer came looking for something. Hepburn being an old New Englander would use that kind of passive aggressive remark.
Hepburn did not act like she was the brightest bulb in the box. I wonder if she had Alzheimer’s towards the end, seems kind of nutty as a fruitcake to me.
I don’t understand how people can idolize someone like Hepburn or make light of their ugly demeanor and bad behavior. There’s never anything remotely cute, funny, or enduring, about rudeness or insulting others.
People who knew her loved that part of her, it was what made Hepburn, Hepburn. It doesn't matter if everyone doesn't like her, she simply didn't care. I think many need that attitude today.
@@tigergreg8 There's a YUGE difference between being an individualist and not being respectful towards others. Sounds like you're acting like a jackhole too? If so, it's not cute. #BeBest
That is true, but she was just 20 years old. I was very against the Nam war. I think we lost that war, and gained nothing. Fonda'a mother committed suicide when Jane was very young. Neither she nor her brother knew why. Henry also said NOTHING. This must have hounded her all of her life.
Hepburn was extremely stubborn and inflexible as a person, she made up her mind about a person and that was that, doesn't mean she was always right but she was very black and white and fixed in her ways
I did not think she should have insulted Meryl Streep. Rude. Meryl is a good actress but not the most beautiful. Many think overrated too. But lets give her credit. Kate she is not that bad.
Superfluous Chins I spent a bit of time with Kate Hepburn before she passed away while resident in New York city and I am in contact with Jane Fonda from time to time, I met Jane at a dinner party in London a decade ago that was hosted by Cate Blanchett who I'm very close to, so there you go.
Interesting! I would love to have met La Hepburn-- despite her shortcomings. I'm sure you feel very lucky. And Ms. Blanchett is a superlative actress. I assume you're in entertainment?
Katherine Hepburn was a great actress. Dont confuse her talent with her personality. She was a rather spoilt and thoughtless elitist. If you want talent and grace in a single package might I suggest another Hepburn. Audrey Hepburn.
That is total bullshit Your describing Fonda. Hephern was as down to earth as they come. She had no patients for stupidty or women who acted dumb to please men. She was salt of the earth
@@claramerchant9210 neither of you know either of these women. You cant judge them when you dont know them nor have walked a mile in their shoes. I met Jane and she was the kindest celebrity i ever met...and i wont forget that...and Katherine Hepburn was raised in a very stoic elitist family and era..she bucked traditions (wearing pants and having an affair with Tracy) but can you imagine how hard it must have been for her to cope with a changing world while being brilliant herself? We don't know anything ...if we but only knew...
I used to see her occasionally around Old Saybrook when I kept my boat docked there, but I never approached her. One weekend I had a twofer, I passed Paul Newman on the highway while on my way to my boat in Old Saybrook, and then later that afternoon I saw Kate in town
Not in this case. Jane Fonda is a wonderful person, never mind all the exaggerated BS about her. She didn’t do the horrible things people say she did without proof. She was against the Vietnam war, so were a lot of people
@@mk94194 If you want to like a woman who sided with North Vietnam, who is pictured on a North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun on the outskirts of Hanoi while we were in uniform, that's your right. Its a freedom we fought for. To me she is a horrid, treasonous wretch. I wouldn't spit on her to see it splash.
@@michaelfitzgerald434 The Vietnam war was unnecessary and criminal anyway, so she was right after all for demanding peace with that photograph. I don't know why you're even commemorating it with such pride. It's time to move on Michael.
@@mk94194 You are an ass, a certifiable ass. Treason is treason. Aiding and abetting the enemy is aiding and abetting the enemy. You never served, did you, Doufos? No pride over the Vietnam War here. It was horrid! But much pride over the men and women who served, especially those whose names are enshrined on the National Mall. That is something, unfortunately, you will never understand.
@@michaelfitzgerald434 Aiding and abetting the enemy wou;d be horrible had she done it... And Vietnam was never the enemy, it was the US that were, once more, meddling in other countries politics and spreading "freedom" and "democracy". Fonda was protesting the war, rightfully so. I wouldn't go about it the same way but activism is often shocking. She certainly didn't commit treason and I'm certainly not touched by your efforts to sound patriotic and pander to veterans. And who said that serving immediately makes you noble or a hero or something?
@Ed Miller Marlo Thomas has been nominated for several Golden Globes and Emmys - even winning an Emmy for her 1986 movie "Nobody's Child" (1985's "Consenting Adult" and 1984's "The Lost Honor of Kathryn Beck" are also GREAT). She has three other Emmys, as well as a a Grammy Award, and a Star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame all to her name, too.
perhaps, but Jane never says why KH said she didn't like her. You do not need to be mean to a person for them to not like you. There are a lot of politicians that I don't like and I would say it directly to them if I met them, and they have not personally been mean to me, however my reasons for dislike are very strong. Jane did say that KH did tell her why. We can only guess the reasons. Jane was involved in quite a few controversial things, maybe it had to do with that. KH was a perfectionist when it came to acting, maybe there was something in Jane's past acting history that sparked the remark. Who knows.
Katherine Hepburn was a Class Act. That voice was powerful, yet feminine. The movie, the African Queen, with Humphrey Bogart was masterful between two great actors. She, of course had other great movies. When the great male British actors, respect your skills. You know you have made it. The late Peter O'Toole was just one of many, who paid respects to her. She lived to her 90s.
Even If you are excelent in something, you don't have to be so cold and so mean like Hepburn..about Fonda what can I say..least when she talked, she has a better carisma .
Katherine Hepburn roles were all about her playing herself and her own persona, much like that of John Wayne. I find that she played herself as 'type' in most of her movies, never venturing far from roles that were not in synch with her own persona. Meryl Streep and other actresses played a wide range of roles outside of themselves and often out of their comfort zones. It might have been the old time filming or the unimaginative screen writers of the day, but the roles that Miss Hepburn played seemed one-dimensional and almost wooden compared to today's actresses. I liked Marlene Dietrich and Greta Garbo more as they played more diverse roles.
That is exactly what I have felt all along. Hepburn was a product of the MGM star mill, where persona counted much more than talent. She actually had very little imagination and her command of language was so limited by her hideous speaking voice and Main Line affectations that she couldn't see very far into herself. Her idea of a queen, and the renouncement scene in "Queen Christina" by Garbo show you the difference between a clever hacktress and a genius. Every time Garbo spoke to her subjects, I wanted to kneel with them. I used to watch Hepburn movies and synch with her voice and shake, making friends howl. Her intonation, as well, was so flat, I remember her Portia in Merchant of Venice being such a farce of Shakespearean verse. She was insanely jealous of the younger stars because of their emotional freedom and better training. Not that many people think about her these days, anyway, but Davis and Crawford are still popular among college students, interestingly.
I am soooo sick of the worship of Meryl Streep--who is nothing more than an impressionist--she's the Rich Little of actresses. Everything about Streep is "calculating and phony. I can't stand her. Hepburn had incredible range.
gman2010ification I don't agree. She had incredible influence, and was very agressive and ambitious, an unabashed narcissist. Lucille Ball could do dramatic and screwball much better, with a much more straightforward attack on the language. Hepburn's style is unbearable to watch. Her movies with Tracy were her best because he sat on her like crazy. Left to her own devices she was ridiculous. Her elitism was egregious and I found her classism revolting.
infrantasi Well I think they are from two generations ! Meryl follows Method Acting of Marlon Brando while Kate is educated through reacting abilities ! Don't ever compare 2 gens dear :)
Edmund Charles I wouldn't criticize the writers. Some of them wrote scripts to gear them to Hepburn's personality, which explains why she plays herself in most of her films.
In the early seventies, when I was a teenager, a friend of mine was working for a hotel in Chicago, when Katherine Hepburn checked in. He took me to the hotel so that I might catch a glimpse of her. As we were pulling up to the hotel, a horse drawn carriage was approaching, and, to my surprise, Katherine Hepburn was the passenger. She was wearing a big hat, with a scarf, the same way I had seen her wear them on television. My friend asked, there she is, are you going to say hello to her? I didn't, because, I felt I would have been intruding. From some of the comments on the thread, I have to say that I am glad I didn't approach her. I didn't know her, personally. I knew her as an actress whose movies I liked. Had I approached her carriage, and she had been hateful to me, I would have been very disappointed, and sad. I'm surprised, when I hear some people say that they " love " a celebrity, as though they know them personally. . .
@@johnboys4697 Her country was engaged in, and on the wrong side of, an immoral war. Young American men were dying, and were killing Vietnamese. As a US citizen she had every right to be there in opposition.
I met Marlo Thomas when she came up to me at Dino's restaurant one evening and someone introduced us. I told her mom liked her TV show That Girl, and that was the end of that girl. 😊 I met, or almost met, Jane Fonda when she did a bit from her FTA show at an ACLU meeting in a park somewhere in West LA. I was standing off by myself on the grass and she came over near me with her back turned and lit her cigarette. She had her Klute haircut. I didn't interrupt her, and that was the end of that girl. 😁😁😁 Ah, the 70s!
06/24/2018 You can include myself, most Veterans & many American citizens on that LONG list ... 😝😒😡 We should stand behind our 🇺🇸Vets, no matter what!!!🇺🇸
To be honest Ms. Fonda I didn’t like you when I was growing up either, then I watched all of Frankie and Grace with my daughter. It was real quality mother daughter time. You are beautiful.
Do you have any videos of Jane talking about her movie "Julia"? I was curious how Fred Zinnemann directed her and Miss Redgrave in that wonderful scene in Albert's restaurant. Thank you.
While Jane is still alive , healthy, vibrant and making waves, the other one is dead, buried and probably irrelevant. Love Jane in Monster in Law. On Golden Pond too old
I've always had mixed feelings about Jane Fonda. I don't think she realized the situation she was putting herself in Veitnam. I was around age 3 when the controversial visit to Hanoi happened. "Jane Fonda's Workout" became part of my school's PE Class curriculum. Our PE teacher refused to participate in the program because of Fonda's anti-war activities in Vietnam. In my Senior yearbook, there is an advertisement for the local movie theater. "The Morning After" was playing when the yearbook staff took the photo. Jane Fonda was a part of my childhood. I think she serves as a role model that if you make a mistake you have to move forward.
One time Phil Donahue (Marlo's husband) interviewed an elderly Hepburn. Donahue was very upset that Hepburn couldn't remember his name (or didn't know who HE was). He tried to really make the elderly woman look really bad. He felt offended that someone didn't know who HE was. I used to love Phil. I've hated him ever since. And Jane loves to praise people, like Hepburn, and rip them at the same time. I think they call that Passive/Aggressive.
Jane doing the backflip herself made the movie more authentic, so Miss Hepburn was kind of like a brilliant acting coach lol I loved both Jane and KH in OGP❤️
i have only seen the film once but i would imagine that there was some sort of antagonistic feelings between the character of Jane's and miss Hepburn's vying for the attention of Henry Fonda's character.perhaps miss Kate was indeed trying to help Jane formulate her character to the fullest.I wonder what would be the possibilities of Peter doing a play version or film.could be interesting?
Jane is avoiding the real reason Hepburn probably didn't like her, like many Americans at the time---- her 1972 trip to North Vietnam. She became known as "Hanoi Jane" after photos of her sitting at a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun were shown around the world. A lot of American military people hated her for that, and certainly old conservatives like Katherine Hepburn and John Wayne etc. were definitely not impressed.
Katherine was known for her kindness and helpfulness to other actors starting in the business, she was l also known as one of the hardest working people in the business. So who knows who she liked-but she gave a lot to many.
Peter Salem hmmm, you need to read some biographies about Kate Hepburn. She had many long-term close friendships with people like Lauren Bacall, Vivien Leigh, Laurence Olivier, George Cukor,etc. What you said wasn't true.
They were real and very talented. After them came the wave of actreses who tried to get by on looks alone and getting on their knees for parts Like Fonda. It disgusted them
@@claramerchant9210 Sorry but I don't agree with that. I know that Crawford disliked Monroe and Taylor because she felt that they were garish in how they put themselves out there as celebrities. As for Fonda not being talented, Bette Davis had nothing but praise for Jane. And Crawford absolutely adored Faye Dunaway. Just a shame that Dunaway then agreed to do that horrible movie.
From what I have read, Hepburn did nor like anyone, I could never quite take to her at all, (Hepburn that is), I thought that she was a dreadful actress, wooden and unconvincing, but with enough clout to secure some cracking roles which carried her and her reputation forward. Just goes to show, however poor you are at your branch of the entertainment industry, live long enough and you will have, (a very undeserved), glittering reputation. On the other hand Jane Fonda is talented, very talented.
I find a majority of the performances from that era over the top and not believable. I think the audience in that era were looking more to escape than to relate.
Val R . Hi Val, yes I think that you are correct , many performances be they comedy, drama or whatever were over the top, and that is exactly what was asked of them and popular at the time. It is interesting that films of the 1930’s to the sixties generally stand up much better than many of those of the seventies/Eighties with their supposed ‘reality’ element. Ah well, we all have differing tastes and favourites and rightly so. I love the “Talking Picture” channel on SKY 328, (totally free) especially the comedies of the 1940’s to the mid 1960’s which are pure escapism into a world that never really existed. If you do not already watch it, try it, well worth it. Regards.
kenneth page - jones Hi Kenneth thanks so much for your kind and informative response. You’re right everyone’s tastes vary, some of my favorite movies are The Color Purple, Forrest Gump and...Gone With the Wind which are all pretty different. GWTW is a good example of over the top performances but it is so entertaining. I will check out your suggestions. Have a great day 😀
Interesting, I watched 'On Golden Pond in my mid-thirty's (1988)--I "absolutely identified" w/Jane Fonda, whom I already admired a few years my senior (though, now, 'I look to be her senior)!" And, I just rewatched the film 33 years later--and it was/is a "masterpiece!" I now see the other side, 'the parent, of whom I thought I was doing a pretty good job and enjoying every moment--(at the time I first watched the movie)... 'turns 'out 'my girls don't think so, so much! ~~~~~~ But, in any situation, I'm going to err on the side of Jane Fonda! If Katherine Hepburn had a problem w/Jane Fonda, well, that says "something" about her--NOT Jane Fonda! I think Jane has always been "self-contained" 'and such a role model to women over generations.
It is very easy to understand why Katherine Hepburn did not like Jane Fonda. Many Stars have openly stated they did not have children because of the demands of the job and that includes Greta Garbo and Mae West. Looking at the problems and books that have been written by the children of Hollywood Stars, I think Katherine Hepburn was right in making such a statement.
Why would miss Hepburn like that woman, Hepburn took many a secret to her grave a class act ! . Can’t say that about the less talented Though very beautiful , but less talented actress , who did have a famous father and a very strange stepmother?
You need to re-think your relationship with the Great Kate, Ms. Fonda. She obviously loved you tremendously. She never F----d with people she didn't like.
Besides being communist enablers, Marlo Thomas and Jane Fonda also share that they are both the daughters of powerful Hollywood film industry personalities (actor-producer Danny Thomas and actor Henry Fonda) who were spoiled rotten and treated as if they were princesses. One of Marlo Thomas' former employees co-wrote a book about his time working in the Phil Donahue-Marlo Thomas household, said retired talk show host Donahue is a nice guy but Thomas an arrogant and nasty woman who treated her household help badly, and is a hypocrite, pretending to care about humanity even as treats most average people (who are not in positions of power to help her) horribly. Typical Park Avenue limousine liberals.
Can't stand her! That horrible whiskey voice, the Michael Jackson plastic surgery, pretending she's something she's not. Daddy's real name was Amos Jacobs.
I worked in movies and TV for years - sometimes the screen person is completely different to reality most stars are just good genuine people - j fonda considering she isnt eighteen now is sure hot still or have i got older ... also when you are finally a big big star you really have nothing to prove any more, its usually wannabees who can be a tads temperamental ... no names of course but that industry is very competitive.
Fonda looks great here and she must be about 74- I don't understand why she had more cosmetic surgery a few years later as now she's got the glamorous but 'done' look. Still classy though
My admiration for katharine Hepburn has grown immensely after the revelations described here by Jane Fonda.
Katharine Hepburn, what a great woman.
You admire a person who does not know another person saying to that other person on first meeting them "I don't like you"? Only an insecure jerk does that. Nothing admirable about that. It's not like Jane Fonda was on record as a bigot or as a person lacking empathy.
@@gheller2261 "A bigot or a person lacking empathy?" Are you for real?
Me too, actually.
@@joeanonymous1834 Um, yeah. You might not have liked her politics (although she turned out to be mostly correct), but she's not a bigot and her political activities have always been directed to helping the "other."
@@gmh471 You must be about 15-years-old. I have no idea where to even start with you. So, I won't.
Ms Hepburn doesn't seemed like the person who talked bad about people behind their backs. She just went to confront the person directly about her feelings.
Its so true Cal L. Its humorous to me that Ms. Hanoi can cry victim about others in the past but its right after Ms. Hanoi torches you and talks behind your back; the sign of an elite or so Ms. Hanoi acts like.
@@Dbusdriver71 it’s humorous to me that you let one photograph in 1972 dictate your entire opinion of this complex person. People are more complex than a single action they do or don’t do. It was 50 years ago. My goodness, bless that bitter heart.
@@Dbusdriver71 You're a fool
@@Jocelyn_Jade Exactly. I am astonished at how our Reich wing media (Faux I'm looking at you) has made us turn on one another.
She didn't like Meryl Streep either. She felt that Meryl was too hung up on technique and it showed that she was acting instead of making one believe that she wasn't.
Meryl sleep was applauding for Roman Polanski. Now go do research of what kind of man Roman Polanski is when he took advantage sexually of a 13 year old girl and then he went to France when he was about to get convicted.
Hollywood is vile
@@Christian_Ada1 I was paraphrasing a quote that Hepburn made about Streep's acting---not sure how Roman Polanski came into this lol
@@charlesswitzer8378 Welcome to the wonderful world of the UA-cam comment section :)
I think JF nailed it "She didn't like people to have attachments - except to her"
Bette Davis thought Meryl was the best contemporary actress before she passed.I guess there were varying opinions about the younger generation of actors by the legends
I once saw Marlo Thomas's husband, Phil Donohue, interview Katherine Hepburn, on his show. He devoted an hour to her talking about her autobiography called "Me." At the end he asked her to autograph a copy for him. She asked his name and admitted she didn't know him despite his being on TV for 28 years. She wasn't kidding. She had him spell his last name. He laughed but was flabbergasted.
I remember that! it was hilarious. She said, "Donna-Who??..." and the man looked livid.
That's an old way of slamming a person that is full of themselves or a phoney At the end of the conversation and their all puffed up or think they made a new friend. You point blank ask them, Who are you? That just deflates their Big ego. Learned it from an old politician when BSer came looking for something. Hepburn being an old New Englander would use that kind of passive aggressive remark.
I remember a person who told someone who they were. He kept walking and said "Of course you are".
Correct...
Hepburn did not act like she was the brightest bulb in the box. I wonder if she had Alzheimer’s towards the end, seems kind of nutty as a fruitcake to me.
Well there's about 300,000 bikers you can add to the list that let all the patches express what they thought about traitor jane.........
I don’t understand how people can idolize someone like Hepburn or make light of their ugly demeanor and bad behavior. There’s never anything remotely cute, funny, or enduring, about rudeness or insulting others.
People who knew her loved that part of her, it was what made Hepburn, Hepburn.
It doesn't matter if everyone doesn't like her, she simply didn't care. I think many need that attitude today.
@@tigergreg8 There's a YUGE difference between being an individualist and not being respectful towards others. Sounds like you're acting like a jackhole too? If so, it's not cute. #BeBest
@@tigergreg8I heard that many times about her 😂
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That is true, but she was just 20 years old. I was very against the Nam war. I think we lost that war, and gained nothing. Fonda'a mother committed suicide when Jane was very young. Neither she nor her brother knew why. Henry also said NOTHING. This must have hounded her all of her life.
Hepburn was extremely stubborn and inflexible as a person, she made up her mind about a person and that was that, doesn't mean she was always right but she was very black and white and fixed in her ways
I did not think she should have insulted Meryl Streep. Rude. Meryl is a good actress but not the most beautiful. Many think overrated too. But lets give her credit. Kate she is not that bad.
BigDeanoSyd Now how could you possibly know that? (Genuinely curious).
Superfluous Chins I spent a bit of time with Kate Hepburn before she passed away while resident in New York city and I am in contact with Jane Fonda from time to time, I met Jane at a dinner party in London a decade ago that was hosted by Cate Blanchett who I'm very close to, so there you go.
Interesting! I would love to have met La Hepburn-- despite her shortcomings. I'm sure you feel very lucky. And Ms. Blanchett is a superlative actress. I assume you're in entertainment?
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Katherine Hepburn wasn't alone.
I suspect her own father couldn’t stand her.
Yea Fonda is not a likeable person
Katherine Hepburn was a great actress. Dont confuse her talent with her personality. She was a rather spoilt and thoughtless elitist. If you want talent and grace in a single package might I suggest another Hepburn. Audrey Hepburn.
That is total bullshit Your describing Fonda. Hephern was as down to earth as they come. She had no patients for stupidty or women who acted dumb to please men. She was salt of the earth
She didn't suffer fools well, so she wouldn't have tolerated you.
@@claramerchant9210 neither of you know either of these women. You cant judge them when you dont know them nor have walked a mile in their shoes. I met Jane and she was the kindest celebrity i ever met...and i wont forget that...and Katherine Hepburn was raised in a very stoic elitist family and era..she bucked traditions (wearing pants and having an affair with Tracy) but can you imagine how hard it must have been for her to cope with a changing world while being brilliant herself? We don't know anything ...if we but only knew...
Hepburn didn't like her? I'm in great company!
I used to see her occasionally around Old Saybrook when I kept my boat docked there, but I never approached her. One weekend I had a twofer, I passed Paul Newman on the highway while on my way to my boat in Old Saybrook, and then later that afternoon I saw Kate in town
This is wonderful; thanks for letting us see it on UA-cam.
Miss Hepburn was a great judge of character!
Not in this case. Jane Fonda is a wonderful person, never mind all the exaggerated BS about her. She didn’t do the horrible things people say she did without proof. She was against the Vietnam war, so were a lot of people
Hey Chuck/Romy, get a life. Double commenting is a sure fire indicator of too much time on your hands.
@@katwashere194 WRONG!!!!! she's a horrible excuse for a human.
dont worry jane, they love you in hanoi
Don't worry, Jane, no one else does either!
Well...that's a lie
@@mk94194 If you want to like a woman who sided with North Vietnam, who is pictured on a North Vietnamese antiaircraft gun on the outskirts of Hanoi while we were in uniform, that's your right. Its a freedom we fought for. To me she is a horrid, treasonous wretch. I wouldn't spit on her to see it splash.
@@michaelfitzgerald434 The Vietnam war was unnecessary and criminal anyway, so she was right after all for demanding peace with that photograph. I don't know why you're even commemorating it with such pride. It's time to move on Michael.
@@mk94194 You are an ass, a certifiable ass. Treason is treason. Aiding and abetting the enemy is aiding and abetting the enemy. You never served, did you, Doufos? No pride over the Vietnam War here. It was horrid! But much pride over the men and women who served, especially those whose names are enshrined on the National Mall. That is something, unfortunately, you will never understand.
@@michaelfitzgerald434 Aiding and abetting the enemy wou;d be horrible had she done it... And Vietnam was never the enemy, it was the US that were, once more, meddling in other countries politics and spreading "freedom" and "democracy". Fonda was protesting the war, rightfully so. I wouldn't go about it the same way but activism is often shocking. She certainly didn't commit treason and I'm certainly not touched by your efforts to sound patriotic and pander to veterans. And who said that serving immediately makes you noble or a hero or something?
How not to interview people, Jane struggling to answer questions because the interviewer keeps asking questions before Jane has finished.
The interviewer? That's MARLO FRIGGIN' THOMAS - a great actress herself.
How's that relevant?
If you want to cringe watch Megan Kelly interview her. She beings up Jane's plastic surgery out of left field totally awkward cringe.
@@nazur72 Wow!
@Ed Miller Marlo Thomas has been nominated for several Golden Globes and Emmys - even winning an Emmy for her 1986 movie "Nobody's Child" (1985's "Consenting Adult" and 1984's "The Lost Honor of Kathryn Beck" are also GREAT). She has three other Emmys, as well as a a Grammy Award, and a Star on Hollywood's Walk of Fame all to her name, too.
''interviewers'' who constantly interrupt
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You mean Marlo Thomas?.....Hahaha. put some respect on her name.
Katherine Hepburn was a smart lady. She saw her for what she is.
No, it was ill judgement on her part, and apparently also on your part.
@@Poetic_Justice1962Just ask a Vietnam veteran about Jane Fonda. They hated her ever since she went to North Vietnam. Her nickname is Hanoi Jane.
Yes a traitor
@@brenda1429 Hanoi Jane ,,,cant stand her,,,she is a lousy American
@@Poetic_Justice1962nope she was a traitor to the Viet Nam Vets,..Hanoi Jane name still stands
telling someone that has never been mean to you that you don't like them, says a lot about the teller
perhaps, but Jane never says why KH said she didn't like her. You do not need to be mean to a person for them to not like you. There are a lot of politicians that I don't like and I would say it directly to them if I met them, and they have not personally been mean to me, however my reasons for dislike are very strong. Jane did say that KH did tell her why. We can only guess the reasons. Jane was involved in quite a few controversial things, maybe it had to do with that. KH was a perfectionist when it came to acting, maybe there was something in Jane's past acting history that sparked the remark. Who knows.
@@tamoshanter6268 I was brought up not to be mean spirited. It's not like Jane Fonda asked KH what she thought of her.
@@tamoshanter6268 wrong, there was no good reason for it especially towards a motherless teenager.
Hey me either!
Katherine Hepburn was a Class Act. That voice was powerful, yet feminine. The movie, the African Queen, with Humphrey Bogart was masterful between two great actors. She, of course had other great movies. When the great male British actors, respect your skills. You know you have made it. The late Peter O'Toole was just one of many, who paid respects to her. She lived to her 90s.
Even If you are excelent in something, you don't have to be so cold and so mean like Hepburn..about Fonda what can I say..least when she talked, she has a better carisma .
No big deal, many people don’t like JF.
Hey,hanoi jane,news flash,nobody else does either.
Katherine Hepburn roles were all about her playing herself and her own persona, much like that of John Wayne. I find that she played herself as 'type' in most of her movies, never venturing far from roles that were not in synch with her own persona. Meryl Streep and other actresses played a wide range of roles outside of themselves and often out of their comfort zones. It might have been the old time filming or the unimaginative screen writers of the day, but the roles that Miss Hepburn played seemed one-dimensional and almost wooden compared to today's actresses. I liked Marlene Dietrich and Greta Garbo more as they played more diverse roles.
That is exactly what I have felt all along. Hepburn was a product of the MGM star mill, where persona counted much more than talent. She actually had very little imagination and her command of language was so limited by her hideous speaking voice and Main Line affectations that she couldn't see very far into herself. Her idea of a queen, and the renouncement scene in "Queen Christina" by Garbo show you the difference between a clever hacktress and a genius. Every time Garbo spoke to her subjects, I wanted to kneel with them. I used to watch Hepburn movies and synch with her voice and shake, making friends howl. Her intonation, as well, was so flat, I remember her Portia in Merchant of Venice being such a farce of Shakespearean verse. She was insanely jealous of the younger stars because of their emotional freedom and better training. Not that many people think about her these days, anyway, but Davis and Crawford are still popular among college students, interestingly.
I am soooo sick of the worship of Meryl Streep--who is nothing more than an impressionist--she's the Rich Little of actresses. Everything about Streep is "calculating and phony. I can't stand her. Hepburn had incredible range.
gman2010ification I don't agree. She had incredible influence, and was very agressive and ambitious, an unabashed narcissist. Lucille Ball could do dramatic and screwball much better, with a much more straightforward attack on the language. Hepburn's style is unbearable to watch. Her movies with Tracy were her best because he sat on her like crazy. Left to her own devices she was ridiculous. Her elitism was egregious and I found her classism revolting.
infrantasi Well I think they are from two generations ! Meryl follows Method Acting of Marlon Brando while Kate is educated through reacting abilities ! Don't ever compare 2 gens dear :)
Edmund Charles I wouldn't criticize the writers. Some of them wrote scripts to gear them to Hepburn's personality, which explains why she plays herself in most of her films.
In the early seventies, when I was a teenager, a friend of mine was working for a hotel in Chicago, when Katherine Hepburn checked in. He took me to the hotel so that I might catch a glimpse of her. As we were pulling up to the hotel, a horse drawn carriage was approaching, and, to my surprise, Katherine Hepburn was the passenger.
She was wearing a big hat, with a scarf, the same way I had seen her wear them on television.
My friend asked, there she is, are you going to say hello to her? I didn't, because, I felt I would have been intruding.
From some of the comments on the thread, I have to say that I am glad I didn't approach her.
I didn't know her, personally.
I knew her as an actress whose movies I liked.
Had I approached her carriage, and she had been hateful to me, I would have been very disappointed, and sad.
I'm surprised, when I hear some people say that they " love " a celebrity, as though they know them personally. . .
Deborah 5122 Very true, I used to work in the Industry, and they are nothing like their onscreen selves.
Marjorie Margel that’s why it’s called acting.
Most of the time, meeting our favorite celebrities ,actors or musicians, can be a disappointing experience.
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miss Hepburn told another actor, I think it was Anthony Hopkins,”don’t act, just say the lines. “
Katharine Hepburn didn't like Jane Fonda because Hepburn had class.
Katherine is a good judge of character! Shame on you Hanoi Jane!!!!
Shame on YOU! We had no business being there, and we supported the wrong side.
Jane was young..and we all make mistakes..no one is perfect..Forgive and move forward..Love brings people together..not hate♡
@@fretbuzz59 she did not belong there either !
@@johnboys4697 Her country was engaged in, and on the wrong side of, an immoral war. Young American men were dying, and were killing Vietnamese. As a US citizen she had every right to be there in opposition.
To what extent did Hepburn believe that Fonda only became a major star because of her father?
I wondered that too.
This makes me like Katherine Hepburn more. She didn’t like Communists either.
She did, however, like pussy. Neither a religion nor a political party. LOL.
@@pbohearn
You’re the one who sounds like the pervert.
I knew I loved Kate, the woman was a great actress and even more a great judge of character
I met Marlo Thomas when she came up to me at Dino's restaurant one evening and someone introduced us. I told her mom liked her TV show That Girl, and that was the end of that girl. 😊
I met, or almost met, Jane Fonda when she did a bit from her FTA show at an ACLU meeting in a park somewhere in West LA. I was standing off by myself on the grass and she came over near me with her back turned and lit her cigarette. She had her Klute haircut. I didn't interrupt her, and that was the end of that girl. 😁😁😁 Ah, the 70s!
Yes, it is believable that KH did not like jane.
I think she was right.
Why do you say that.
It must be wonderful to know them so well.
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Katherine Hepburn was obviously a great judge of character & in this case, lack of character.
God bless people who are true to themselves. To hell with anyone's opinions, esp. on social media.
I think Katherine Hepburn was more conservative than Jane Fonda.
Fonda says Hepburn didn't like her, perhaps because Fonda rubs people the wrong way.
Hepburn was probably jealous of Fonda. Jane Fonda could act circles around her.
Ms Hepburn had good judgement. Hanoi Jane is widely hated.
There's a lot of people who don't like you very much, Jane.
It's great to hear Jane Fonda's honesty about her relationship with Hepburn. Love Fonda and I think Kate probably finally liked her.
To be honest Ms. Fonda I didn’t like you when I was growing up either, then I watched all of Frankie and Grace with my daughter. It was real quality mother daughter time. You are beautiful.
Do you have any videos of Jane talking about her movie "Julia"? I was curious how Fred Zinnemann directed her and Miss Redgrave in that wonderful scene in Albert's restaurant. Thank you.
Yeah, I'm with Hepburn, never liked this spoiled insulated traitor, either!!
@Blue Wave 2020 typical tolerant LIBTARD. Pitiful!!
She ain’t alone.
While Jane is still alive , healthy, vibrant and making waves, the other one is dead, buried and probably irrelevant.
Love Jane in Monster in Law.
On Golden Pond too old
Man that was the logical thing to happen because Jane was younger and.. You'll die. We'll die. What a stupid comment!
I've always had mixed feelings about Jane Fonda. I don't think she realized the situation she was putting herself in Veitnam. I was around age 3 when the controversial visit to Hanoi happened. "Jane Fonda's Workout" became part of my school's PE Class curriculum. Our PE teacher refused to participate in the program because of Fonda's anti-war activities in Vietnam. In my Senior yearbook, there is an advertisement for the local movie theater. "The Morning After" was playing when the yearbook staff took the photo. Jane Fonda was a part of my childhood. I think she serves as a role model that if you make a mistake you have to move forward.
I remember the traitor Hanoi Jane very well and the men who were dying for her freedom and the additional pain and suffering she caused to our men!
One time Phil Donahue (Marlo's husband) interviewed an elderly Hepburn. Donahue was very upset that Hepburn couldn't remember his name (or didn't know who HE was). He tried to really make the elderly woman look really bad. He felt offended that someone didn't know who HE was. I used to love Phil. I've hated him ever since. And Jane loves to praise people, like Hepburn, and rip them at the same time. I think they call that Passive/Aggressive.
Ms. Hepburn was very perceptive
Jane doing the backflip herself made the movie more authentic, so Miss Hepburn was kind of like a brilliant acting coach lol
I loved both Jane and KH in OGP❤️
i have only seen the film once but i would imagine that there was some sort of antagonistic feelings between the character of Jane's and miss Hepburn's vying for the attention of Henry Fonda's character.perhaps miss Kate was indeed trying to help Jane formulate her character to the fullest.I wonder what would be the possibilities of Peter doing a play version or film.could be interesting?
Miss Hepburn wasn’t the only one!!
Jane is avoiding the real reason Hepburn probably didn't like her, like many Americans at the time---- her 1972 trip to North Vietnam. She became known as "Hanoi Jane" after photos of her sitting at a North Vietnamese anti-aircraft gun were shown around the world. A lot of American military people hated her for that, and certainly old conservatives like Katherine Hepburn and John Wayne etc. were definitely not impressed.
"Katherine Hepburn didn't like me"...........she was so smart.
Why would she? Does Jane Fonda have any idea of the damage she's caused United States Servicemen? The men that died because of her? Go away now...
With all respect to one of my very favorite actresses by The way,but who exactly DID Katharine Hepburn like???
Answer = HERSELF ! ! !
Katherine was known for her kindness and helpfulness to other actors starting in the business, she was l also known as one of the hardest working people in the business. So who knows who she liked-but she gave a lot to many.
Peter Salem hmmm, you need to read some biographies about Kate Hepburn. She had many long-term close friendships with people like Lauren Bacall, Vivien Leigh, Laurence Olivier, George Cukor,etc. What you said wasn't true.
Hepburn came from an era of absolutely brutal actors - the likes of Crawford and Davis were also very upfront with their dislike of others.
They were real and very talented. After them came the wave of actreses who tried to get by on looks alone and getting on their knees for parts Like Fonda. It disgusted them
@@claramerchant9210 Sorry but I don't agree with that. I know that Crawford disliked Monroe and Taylor because she felt that they were garish in how they put themselves out there as celebrities. As for Fonda not being talented, Bette Davis had nothing but praise for Jane. And Crawford absolutely adored Faye Dunaway. Just a shame that Dunaway then agreed to do that horrible movie.
That's no excuse for being rude to people.
@@rickw1954 I wasn't excusing it...
Talented assholes. Who cares?
Thanks Ms. Fonda and Ms Thomas, er Marlo GREAT to see ya back!
Hepburn was a good actor but a pain in the ass, just like how a plumber can be a good plumber but a pass in the ass.
To be respected by Katharine Hepburn would be such an Honor
Wonderful insight. Thank you, ladies. You are both very inspiring.
@Darren Taylorwell, aren't we just a tad unhinged.
@Darren Taylor yawn.
@Darren Taylor is that the best you got? Yawn 2 The Sequel.
@Darren TaylorYawn Trilogy. One Yawn is never enough.
jane is beautiful, not for one second he still look young, beautiful! I love Jane Fonda!!!!!!
i love Hepburn, Fonda and Marlo
Why would a class act like Katharine Hepburn even give this traitor the time of day if she wasn't getting paid for it? I don't like Jane Fonda either.
From what I have read, Hepburn did nor like anyone, I could never quite take to her at all, (Hepburn that is), I thought that she was a dreadful actress, wooden and unconvincing, but with enough clout to secure some cracking roles which carried her and her reputation forward. Just goes to show, however poor you are at your branch of the entertainment industry, live long enough and you will have, (a very undeserved), glittering reputation. On the other hand Jane Fonda is talented, very talented.
+kenneth page - jones She was a classic New England high-society snob who made her husband change his name as she didn't want to be Mrs. Smith.
No. She didn't want to be Kate Smith. It was a joke. Ludlow Ogden Smith NEVER changed his name.
I find a majority of the performances from that era over the top and not believable. I think the audience in that era were looking more to escape than to relate.
Val R . Hi Val, yes I think that you are correct , many performances be they comedy, drama or whatever were over the top, and that is exactly what was asked of them and popular at the time. It is interesting that films of the 1930’s to the sixties generally stand up much better than many of those of the seventies/Eighties with their supposed ‘reality’ element. Ah well, we all have differing tastes and favourites and rightly so. I love the “Talking Picture” channel on SKY 328, (totally free) especially the comedies of the 1940’s to the mid 1960’s which are pure escapism into a world that never really existed. If you do not already watch it, try it, well worth it. Regards.
kenneth page - jones Hi Kenneth thanks so much for your kind and informative response. You’re right everyone’s tastes vary, some of my favorite movies are The Color Purple, Forrest Gump and...Gone With the Wind which are all pretty different. GWTW is a good example of over the top performances but it is so entertaining. I will check out your suggestions. Have a great day 😀
Interesting, I watched 'On Golden Pond in my mid-thirty's (1988)--I "absolutely identified" w/Jane Fonda, whom I already admired a few years my senior (though, now, 'I look to be her senior)!"
And, I just rewatched the film 33 years later--and it was/is a "masterpiece!"
I now see the other side, 'the parent, of whom I thought I was doing a pretty good job and enjoying every moment--(at the time I first watched the movie)...
'turns 'out 'my girls don't think so, so much!
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But, in any situation, I'm going to err on the side of Jane Fonda!
If Katherine Hepburn had a problem w/Jane Fonda, well, that says "something" about her--NOT Jane Fonda!
I think Jane has always been "self-contained" 'and such a role model to women over generations.
dennis rodman.....enough said
Many many many many many many many people don't like Jane Fonda!
Jane, you were amazing in "California Suite" not many characters can make me laugh out loud but you did exactly that in that movie.
she was amazing in Hanoi also!!
As if you don't know? It was your workout videos and she wanted Ted Turner after Spencer Tracey.
a very discerning woman..
I read a thing about Katherine Hepburn that she grew up in a socialist family, so I guess if she didn’t like Fonda, had nothing to do with politics.
Atleast she was honest.
OH cool! Marlo has her own show! Didn't realize that! She still looks great! :)
She is not the only one.
She disliked you? Shock horror! LOL
It is very easy to understand why Katherine Hepburn did not like Jane Fonda. Many Stars have openly stated they did not have children because of the demands of the job and that includes Greta Garbo and Mae West.
Looking at the problems and books that have been written by the children of Hollywood Stars, I think Katherine Hepburn was right in making such a statement.
She's so eloquent
I’m not Fonda Hanoi Jane!
I don't like Hanoi Jane either. No wonder I thought Miss Hepburn was such a marvelous actress and human being.
I've never heard her say why Katharine Hepburn didn't.
Why would miss Hepburn like that woman, Hepburn took many a secret to her grave a class act ! . Can’t say that about the less talented Though very beautiful , but less talented actress , who did have a famous father and a very strange stepmother?
You need to re-think your relationship with the Great Kate, Ms. Fonda. She obviously loved you tremendously. She never F----d with people she didn't like.
An excellent judge of character, Kate was!
That's something that Fonda and Ted Turner had in common; absolutely no sense of humor.
Pssssssst, Jane, Kate isn't the only one.
''Even their women exchanged that which was unseemly with one another and God gave them over to their sin''.
Marlo was also the star of "That Girl". 5 seasons, 136 episodes. She's great.
Gee, thanks Mr. IMDB. You are full of knowledge.
Besides being communist enablers, Marlo Thomas and Jane Fonda also share that they are both the daughters of powerful Hollywood film industry personalities (actor-producer Danny Thomas and actor Henry Fonda) who were spoiled rotten and treated as if they were princesses.
One of Marlo Thomas' former employees co-wrote a book about his time working in the Phil Donahue-Marlo Thomas household, said retired talk show host Donahue is a nice guy but Thomas an arrogant and nasty woman who treated her household help badly, and is a hypocrite, pretending to care about humanity even as treats most average people (who are not in positions of power to help her) horribly. Typical Park Avenue limousine liberals.
Can't stand her! That horrible whiskey voice, the Michael Jackson plastic surgery, pretending she's something she's not. Daddy's real name was Amos Jacobs.
I don't blame Katharine Hepburn.
..well i think i like you ms.fonda ! ,-)
I worked in movies and TV for years - sometimes the screen person is completely different to reality most stars are just good genuine people - j fonda considering she isnt eighteen now is sure hot still or have i got older ... also when you are finally a big big star you really have nothing to prove any more, its usually wannabees who can be a tads temperamental ... no names of course but that industry is very competitive.
I can't imagine why Katherine didn't like you. She had a lot of sense.
Hanoi Jane! May God judge her for all that she has done.
I don't blame her for not liking Fonda. What American likes a traitor?
Katherine Hepburn was a very bright woman.
Kathy Hepburn doesn't like you Hanoi Jane ??... go figure i don't like you either!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ms Hepburn was very perceptive.
Fonda looks great here and she must be about 74- I don't understand why she had more cosmetic surgery a few years later as now she's got the glamorous but 'done' look. Still classy though
Many people (myself included) do not like Hanoi Jane.
Katherine from the sounds of it didn't like too many people. She was a great actress, but a snob.