Nicely put by Ashok Tandon,,,,,J Sai Deepak should have been in the show from judicial background!!! Abishek Atrey also tried his level best,,,,although being a novice to RSTV...
Omg. What a meaningful debate!! I didn't know a news debate could be conducted without it turning into an all out war between the debaters..!! Well done RSTV!!
Mr . Abhishek though is advocate in supreme court, but slightly confused about impeachment word . rightly corrected by mr. Satya Prakash... it's 2/3rd majority in both the houses .
first of all thanks to all members including frank sir to healthy discuss on an important topic. In my opinion, the government should not interfere in a very trusted institution. if the government continue to interfere to take the decision by individual institutions than the new law Lokpal & Lokayukta is not necessary for our country.
Lokpal is like creating another monster. Already process of appointments of supreme court judges is big mistry. ... Current CJI Ranjan Gogoi is son of former Congress Assam CM kesab Chandra Gogoi. 60% SC judges are son/ relatives of politicians/former judges. First let's make SC judges appointment transparent and accountable. Justice O P Saini keep on extending P C Chithambaram bail so ED won't arrest him.
There should always be a balance between "Efficiency" and "Accountability". Like "CAG" being criticized as a reason for "Policy paralysis" and "Prevention of Corruption Act" as a deterrent for efficient decision. Though PCA was relaxed in 2018,the question is how efficiently we balance these two..
closing comment by atrey is good one... sir in karnataka last regime took investigation agency out of lokayukta so now its fully dependent on police agency which is under home minister so now its becoming teethless .now in karnataka almost half of ministers cought in red hand for corruption but lokayukta not able to take call ..this is the irony
there shall be not much utility if it is passed like this.. what i could come up with is.. First of all the Lokpal law must be amended this budget session.. then.. 1. there should be a serious discussion on whether PM should be within the ambit of lokpal or not 2. it must have a separate investigating wing which investigates only corruption cases and this power should be taken away from CBI and all other courts should transfer their cases to the lokpal and lokayukta, so that at the very least it takes off some budren from judiciry and CBI. 3. its decision should not be final and SC should be the final appealate authority in case of lokpal as well as lokayukta decisions and not any other court. 4. this concept of having members based on casts and sects is completely unrelated and should be done away with as this will link it to politicisation of Lokpal and very soon it will be discredited. 5. the chief lokayukta should be first among the equals and decisions should be generally taken by consensus or at least 2/3rd majority. 6.one point i forgot, wait for the edit.
The Eternal Kafir It has already been passed in 2013 and received President's assent on 1st January,2014. The SC has ordered the Search Committee to expedite the process and recommend a panel of names before the end of February.
Why don’t we give the powers of lokpal to the present CVC system? Creating separate institue for just one more power will put burden on exchequer, increase conflict of area of work etc.
Frivolous complaint should be filtered, there is already number of other institution to deal with such frivolous complaint. The main objective behind institutionalization is LOKPAL is check corruption at higher executive level. Even all political parties are not transparent in dealing with their account transactions and revealing their property detail, how every politician become rich in just few years if we analyse their source of income,
Why shouldn't be there equal representation of people from all the classes in the lokpal committee? It's not a regressive step at all. It's more about equal representation not reservations.
Bcos there is need of eminent and expertise personalities and if it will be done on basis of class. They may or may not meet the requirement of the panel.
If we see everything in caste angle then we don't have right to claim elimination of it...let the best brains do their work irrespective of their background
Observing the law political interest in Lokpal, to what extent the steps taken by the Supreme Court will proved to be beneficial for establishing Lokpal?
The image showing States without Lokayukta is wrong. Odisha is the first state to pass a bill on Lokayukta in 1970 but it was enforced in 1983. J&K have SAC in place of Lokayukta. Tamil Nadu is the latest state to create Lokayukta in June,2018. There are no Lokayuktas in Jammu and Kashmir(SAC), Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, Puducherry-Waiting for President approval, Sikkim, Telangana and Tripura.
@@shivpatel3687 Actually Tamilnadu Nadu has established Lokayukta on July 9 2018 and it is the latest to have Lokayukta..where as Arunachal Pradesh has just passed the bill
Lokpal is the need of the hour to sack corrupt politicians including PM. So institution must be installed b4 2019 lok sabha elections. That is what panel is suggesting.
govt aided are not under lokpal ambit govt funded are ....also for frivolous complaints strict punishment is there people might actually fear b4 filling complain
It's really very sad to see that Mr. Satyaprakash is advocating for Lokpal without reservation. If any person from SC, ST, OBC or Women is not in the Lokpal how the people of that community trust on them, where India has a history of oppression of those communities.
Aditya Raj Bhai har jagah oppression? How is it relevant here? Do you want Lokpal to be able to investigate and make strong decision or not? Let the deserving come in and not get into caste politics.
@@manujtrivedi8682 let me clarify it. Suppose there are 5 women involving in corruption and Lokpal open all 5 files back to back. It is quite possible that they may alleged that Lokpal is targeting women only. This may reduce the credibility of Lokpal. Now, what is the relevance of such institution on which people (approx. 70%)don't believe.....
Aditya Raj Your argument is flawed. Why aren't the CVC chief and CBI chief women then? Corruption and Crime aren't associated to a particular caste/gender and people of a country should have conscience not to make assumptions like this. Let the deserving get the seat. Do not always suppress intelligence by the history of oppression. This isn't even relevant here.
It is very sad to hear from panelists to dilute Lokpal act.see the situation from having protest on roads to have such institution to TV debate of diluting it . ombudsman are the hallmarks of Scandinavian countries and there executive and legislature are not impacted by this institution.rather minimum corruption is the features of Scandinavian countries..from pm to other ministers are under it... absence of Lokpal in India is blatant subversion of legislature mandate.secondly executive are always feared of such institution because of erosion of power , discretion and light of transparency.we need to understand that it is Highly required to have Lokpal and strengthen them..bcs even lokayukta laws in many states are not uniform and lokayukta are very weak ex. U.p lokayukta.. therefore uniform laws and a powerful Lokpal is need of hour
Please don’t have Abhishek atrey on the show. He is neither clear in his point nor made some valuable suggestions. No offence to buddies who have found him sensible .but I didn’t find him anywhere near positive thoughts on institutes like lokpal and Lokayukta
Mr Ashok Tandon gave some really good insights.
kirti upadhyay
Yes Respected sir mentioned good fact.
Info graphic, map and graph is good initiative, please keep including that in between.
thanks and as always great debate.
Ashok Tandon's sir speech will work for upsc mains if questions asked on lokpal
did it work?
Satya Prakash great personality
It is really stupid to have reservations in Lokpal !! Good point Mr. SatyaPrakash
We miss Sai Deepak Sir
On issues like polity, constitution he is an expert
Rajul Bhardwaj we can decide whom we have to vote to . Sorry
Nicely put by Ashok Tandon,,,,,J Sai Deepak should have been in the show from judicial background!!!
Abishek Atrey also tried his level best,,,,although being a novice to RSTV...
Omg. What a meaningful debate!!
I didn't know a news debate could be conducted without it turning into an all out war between the debaters..!!
Well done RSTV!!
Mr . Abhishek though is advocate in supreme court, but slightly confused about impeachment word . rightly corrected by mr. Satya Prakash... it's 2/3rd majority in both the houses .
Satya Prakash and Tandon sir views are really matured ones.
All thinks are good of RSTV. One thing's need to improve of Picture quality. Should be high resolution. Thanks for the great debate 👍
Fantastic Discussion Sirji..thank you..!!
Please call Ashok Tandon as many times possible
ashok sir views were very worthful one of my fav
first of all thanks to all members including frank sir to healthy discuss on an important topic. In my opinion, the government should not interfere in a very trusted institution. if the government continue to interfere to take the decision by individual institutions than the new law Lokpal & Lokayukta is not necessary for our country.
Awsm debate.
Ashok tondon sir , and Satya Prakash sir were awsm.
Lokpal is like creating another monster.
Already process of appointments of supreme court judges is big mistry. ... Current CJI Ranjan Gogoi is son of former Congress Assam CM kesab Chandra Gogoi.
60% SC judges are son/ relatives of politicians/former judges.
First let's make SC judges appointment transparent and accountable.
Justice O P Saini keep on extending P C Chithambaram bail so ED won't arrest him.
So informative
Ashok Tandon's opinion is quite optimistic and have good relevance regarding the given topic than others
There should always be a balance between "Efficiency" and "Accountability". Like "CAG" being criticized as a reason for "Policy paralysis" and "Prevention of Corruption Act" as a deterrent for efficient decision. Though PCA was relaxed in 2018,the question is how efficiently we balance these two..
Special thanx for satya prakash 🙏
We Miss u sir here🙏
Atreya sirs point on judiciary is right
Well done Ashok Tandon sir.
jai hind, love from himalayas to mr. frank
27:08 answer to Atrey ji....impeachment is provided only for president👍
The judge too I think. But he meant it's been rarely or never done in India. It's difficult to get all on board for a process like that.
PLEASE ENABLE AUTO-GENERATED CAPTION IN YOUR VIDEOS
Ashok sir great job
Very fruitful news analysis, not like republic and zee news.
Well done sir
Satya sir and deepak sir best combination
🙏🙏
27:06 - Abhey sir ki yad dila di :)
Only the President is IMPEACHED, rest all are removed from their positions !
Ashok tandon hearing you first time.. And you got the charm..
closing comment by atrey is good one...
sir in karnataka last regime took investigation agency out of lokayukta so now its fully dependent on police agency which is under home minister so now its becoming teethless .now in karnataka almost half of ministers cought in red hand for corruption but lokayukta not able to take call ..this is the irony
there shall be not much utility if it is passed like this.. what i could come up with is.. First of all the Lokpal law must be amended this budget session.. then..
1. there should be a serious discussion on whether PM should be within the ambit of lokpal or not
2. it must have a separate investigating wing which investigates only corruption cases and this power should be taken away from CBI and all other courts should transfer their cases to the lokpal and lokayukta, so that at the very least it takes off some budren from judiciry and CBI.
3. its decision should not be final and SC should be the final appealate authority in case of lokpal as well as lokayukta decisions and not any other court.
4. this concept of having members based on casts and sects is completely unrelated and should be done away with as this will link it to politicisation of Lokpal and very soon it will be discredited.
5. the chief lokayukta should be first among the equals and decisions should be generally taken by consensus or at least 2/3rd majority.
6.one point i forgot, wait for the edit.
The Eternal Kafir It has already been passed in 2013 and received President's assent on 1st January,2014. The SC has ordered the Search Committee to expedite the process and recommend a panel of names before the end of February.
In all discussions why does the first mic go to Satya Prakesh, Tribune? Is there some arrangment ? He is not articulate like Sai Deepak.
Please one episode about lokpal in Hindi.
Please find someone more knowledgeable than Mr.Atrey
Ashok tandan should come more often.
Mr.Attrey Ji, "Impeachment, impeachment, impeachment"
satya is right impeachment only for president but impeachment like to SC judge provision in constitution likely mention here
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Why don’t we give the powers of lokpal to the present CVC system? Creating separate institue for just one more power will put burden on exchequer, increase conflict of area of work etc.
thanks for energy capsule.
Frivolous complaint should be filtered, there is already number of other institution to deal with such frivolous complaint. The main objective behind institutionalization is LOKPAL is check corruption at higher executive level. Even all political parties are not transparent in dealing with their account transactions and revealing their property detail, how every politician become rich in just few years if we analyse their source of income,
Why shouldn't be there equal representation of people from all the classes in the lokpal committee? It's not a regressive step at all. It's more about equal representation not reservations.
They want capable candidates ... On basis of merit every class is welcomed...
Bcos there is need of eminent and expertise personalities and if it will be done on basis of class. They may or may not meet the requirement of the panel.
If we see everything in caste angle then we don't have right to claim elimination of it...let the best brains do their work irrespective of their background
👍👍👌👌
Exceptions in case of PM is missed in the show which ensures unnecessary charges against PM.
Sir speaks little slow can't catch words it take tym to understand the matter
22:25 👍
Who called Atrey in such a important discussion😠😠😠
Hearing your decent panelists is music to ears as compared to the shouting competition other platforms have on their shows.
Observing the law political interest in Lokpal, to what extent the steps taken by the Supreme Court will proved to be beneficial for establishing Lokpal?
Missing Sai Deepak as an advocate
SC gave important order in case of lokpal and lokayukt, But At end of February we will see what will happen?
The only people who have apprehensions are politicians.
Ye darr achha hai 😂
plz bring saideepak ..instead other advoctes
Plz is pr hindi me v koi vedio bnao
I think first lokayukt- orissa
Maharastra
Some panel member is too mature to come in these kind of discussion....🤔🤔
abhishek sir were also good
abhi aa sakta hai lokpal ? 2019
17th lok sabha election coming.
No chance..
without any scams , Present govt have lot of achievements to show for the election .
ek or chunavi stunt ho skta h abhi laa denge lokpal ko fir jitne k baad apne hisab se amend kr lenge yehi to h rajniti
The image showing States without Lokayukta is wrong. Odisha is the first state to pass a bill on Lokayukta in 1970 but it was enforced in 1983. J&K have SAC in place of Lokayukta. Tamil Nadu is the latest state to create Lokayukta in June,2018.
There are no Lokayuktas in Jammu and Kashmir(SAC), Manipur, Meghalaya, Mizoram, Nagaland, Puducherry-Waiting for President approval, Sikkim, Telangana and Tripura.
Tamil Nadu Assembly has passed the Lokayukta Bill in 2018, but the map displayed in the video shows Tamil Nadu doesn't have Lokayukta, its wrong.
Parliament also passed Act in 2013 but India doesn't have Lokpal.
@@shivpatel3687 Actually Tamilnadu Nadu has established Lokayukta on July 9 2018 and it is the latest to have Lokayukta..where as Arunachal Pradesh has just passed the bill
Who is appointed as lokayukta in tamil nadu? They are talking about the non appointment of position.
@@ArunSharma-ed8fd right
@Arun You are Right.
@Gowthaman Bro. They displayed the Map of Indian states in which Lokayukt is not appointed either It passed the act or not.
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2 panellist are negative about lokpal.
How they are talking?
130 crores people one more body not a problem.
political will and support from bureaucracy can only realize the lokpal
Lokpal is the need of the hour to sack corrupt politicians including PM. So institution must be installed b4 2019 lok sabha elections. That is what panel is suggesting.
In final, we can conclude that lokpal should be given a try...
They will fight after show 😂
govt aided are not under lokpal ambit govt funded are ....also for frivolous complaints strict punishment is there people might actually fear b4 filling complain
Who is missing J sai Deepak
It's really very sad to see that Mr. Satyaprakash is advocating for Lokpal without reservation. If any person from SC, ST, OBC or Women is not in the Lokpal how the people of that community trust on them, where India has a history of oppression of those communities.
Aditya Raj Bhai har jagah oppression? How is it relevant here? Do you want Lokpal to be able to investigate and make strong decision or not? Let the deserving come in and not get into caste politics.
@@manujtrivedi8682 let me clarify it. Suppose there are 5 women involving in corruption and Lokpal open all 5 files back to back. It is quite possible that they may alleged that Lokpal is targeting women only. This may reduce the credibility of Lokpal. Now, what is the relevance of such institution on which people (approx. 70%)don't believe.....
Aditya Raj Your argument is flawed. Why aren't the CVC chief and CBI chief women then? Corruption and Crime aren't associated to a particular caste/gender and people of a country should have conscience not to make assumptions like this. Let the deserving get the seat. Do not always suppress intelligence by the history of oppression. This isn't even relevant here.
@@AdityaRaj-gp2nz good logic
+Aditya Raj so by ur worst logic
ppl of general category shud not believe in lokpal as they are not reserved as members
grow up dude .. grow up
The question is when we are going to culminate next organization to control lokpal and lokayukta.?😂😂😂
It is very sad to hear from panelists to dilute Lokpal act.see the situation from having protest on roads to have such institution to TV debate of diluting it . ombudsman are the hallmarks of Scandinavian countries and there executive and legislature are not impacted by this institution.rather minimum corruption is the features of Scandinavian countries..from pm to other ministers are under it... absence of Lokpal in India is blatant subversion of legislature mandate.secondly executive are always feared of such institution because of erosion of power , discretion and light of transparency.we need to understand that it is Highly required to have Lokpal and strengthen them..bcs even lokayukta laws in many states are not uniform and lokayukta are very weak ex. U.p lokayukta.. therefore uniform laws and a powerful Lokpal is need of hour
It is Mukul Rohatgi not Mudgal
please provide sub title
We all do corruption in one form or the other, Lokpal wont be completely insulated itself.
Do not call Atrey next time.
Poor panelist
Yeah, already we have many investigation agency in India,at first we should strength them then we should think install about lokpal.
WB govt has passed lokayukta
Check and balance in present govt. is joke
Another 'caged parrot' @Frank
Please don’t have Abhishek atrey on the show. He is neither clear in his point nor made some valuable suggestions. No offence to buddies who have found him sensible .but I didn’t find him anywhere near positive thoughts on institutes like lokpal and Lokayukta
BJP install Lokpal Imiditily before 2019 election
don't call mr atrey..
Tandon paid guest
Ashok tandon i wish u were my dad 😀
mr satyaprakash is performed poorest among all
FYI karnataka doesn't hv Lokayukta !!
The institution was there before but was abolished by Congress government.
Abhishek Atrey Ko kha se pakad laye
Frequent Hand movement of prakash ji is so much irritating
Correct !! He has to speak clearly also !!!
Fluctuate talk on english language
satya prakash is very castist person...!!!