I'm not a Warhammer player, but I subscribe for useful videos like this one. Your approach to a technique is always clear and straight to the point. Well done.
Truth be told many of these youtube painters don't play Warhammer 40k either. However they know putting anything 40K related in the video will get them more hits for the algorithm because 40K gets searched more than Mantic Firefight, or Konflict 47, etc. So if you want to do a diorama video you'll get 100x the hits if you make it a Warhammer 40k diorama. Same reason most craft video's or terrain video's focus on Warhammer terrain.
This came at the perfect time. Last night I was watching Marco Frisoni’s videos on value sketching as I want to push my undercoating beyond dry brush grey, then dry brush white. I ended watching them feeling a bit overwhelmed. This feels more accessible. Thanks!
marco's a great painter and can accomplish things with a few brushstrokes that would take someone else way longer. still it inspires me to want to get better
Really like this explanation on why and how to make this technique work. Lots of videos just kinda use it without giving us an understanding of why. Also the mini looks cool.
I just started painting models but have an art background. This is how I envisioned the process to be but, glad that I can see this and now feel more confident that I am doing the right thing.
As yellow turns green over black, I recommend base coating parts you want yellow dark red first before you zenithal. It will make the shadows brown. Gives it a warm look rather than an haunting look to the yellow.
Thank you for this video! I have been playing around with underpainting but there always seemed to be something missing. I think the biggest takeaway for me is to use normal acrylic paint instead of the speed paints once I start actually painting the model. The other thing is that I always have a hard time with highlighting so these little tips are going to be extremely helpful! Now onto my Perdita crew from Malifaux and see what I can pull off!
I've been using undercoating and contrast paints for quickly getting through some of the swarm enemies from Shadows of Brimstone that I would have had no hope finishing otherwise. Took far less time painting 12 void spiders with this technique than it did for me to paint 12 hellbats with washes and base colour layers.
I loved the simplicity and clarity of your video. It wasn't overloaded with too many new terms and concepts in one go and the brevity means that there's just enough info given before your brain starts to switch off! Also, can I just say that you have beautifully groomed nails and hands? :-)
I personally prefer using a dark brown instead of black and a warm off white instead of white when under painting. Everything comes out more saturated that way.
Regardless of whatever the current meta calls this technique, as Jay points out its a tool in your skill set. With new people coming into the hobby all the time, what seems tired and worn out to some is new to others. TBH tho, several content creators put a subtle spin on the technique which may appeal to different people. Thanks EoB!
Basic slapchop was obviously a method for the inexperienced gamer to get table ready miniatures AND nothing wrong with that. You've managed to turn it into a useful tool in the pantheon of more methodical painting techniques and that's been a useful insight to me [at least]. And also thanks for making it clear that the 'special' slapchop paints aren't strictly neccessary - a great video, cheers.
I print black and painted from there for a long time Layers and Layers never really looked right, a zenithal helped to make colour punchy a lot quicker and acted as a guide to where things should be bright 👍
I actually really like that colour scheme, I could test it out on my sisters of battle. I was thinking of White and Pink of Black and Pink with gold as my tertiary colour.
The only problem with slapchop is that the end result is a bit muted, there arent many colors underneath, it all fades to black instead of fading to a vibrant color with a darker value. It's a good tool for some surfaces, but it wont work well on skin or wood or surfaces you want to feel alive
Try Dana Howl's variation then: Prime with white, put black wash on the recesses only, drybrush white. You should have much brighter tones yet still have nice shadows. Watch her slapchop video for *FAR* more details and other choices.
Can I check in - slap chop / underbrushing and zenithal do different things? My understanding was that zenithal is the top down where light would land, but slap chop / underbrushing is dry brushing white over the entire model? It feels to me like this video is using both zenithal (targeted highlights) and slap chop?
I know this is the big buzz word now for this community but I am getting real sick of seeing everyone posting "slapchop" videos as if it's something new
It's not a new method, but there was no real agreed term for it before. The advent of contrast paints make it a more viable technique for beginners, so giving it a name is appropriate, and everyone understands what Slapchop means at least.
It's also indicative of how memetics work in niche communities, the word is synonymous with a concept or a technique. It's become a byword and once explained it serves as a swift encompassing tag for the whole kit and kaboodle. We'll repopularise an existing technique again before long and give it a new name. My money is on using artist quality pencils to edge highlight.
Oh No! A title written to generate views?! How many Robs out there just went "Who, me?" Used a similar under coat method to try out Contrast paints on Ork Kommandos. THey turned out a little cartoonish which is fine for Orks.
@@TwinkHerder if it works for you, great. For me, I hate the fuzzy texture that drybrushing gives especially on metallic areas. I have yet to see a slapchoped model that avoided this effect.
@@MiniPaintAdventurer if ur drybrushing leaves visible texture, yer doin sumthin wrong 🫣 maybe go watch an artis opus video on the subject, drybrushing does not have to be messy when done right…..
6:12 I feel targeted. But I will do as you ask, I tried to do it on a model once but I did not start with a black base coat, I did light grey to white, so basically it was just white and the paint was quite thick so it was basically pointless.
I'm not a Warhammer player, but I subscribe for useful videos like this one. Your approach to a technique is always clear and straight to the point. Well done.
Same here, I don't collect nor play with minis, but the knowledge about panting and crafts I learn from this channel is.. Immeasurable
Truth be told many of these youtube painters don't play Warhammer 40k either. However they know putting anything 40K related in the video will get them more hits for the algorithm because 40K gets searched more than Mantic Firefight, or Konflict 47, etc. So if you want to do a diorama video you'll get 100x the hits if you make it a Warhammer 40k diorama. Same reason most craft video's or terrain video's focus on Warhammer terrain.
Super easy, barely an inconvenience! Slapchop painting is tight!
Very convenient sir
Wow. Wow wow wow
Really?
Get off my back with slap chop, will you?!
@@yesyesyesyes1600 I'll get off that thing!
@@LoftOfTheUniverse lemme*! 😅
This came at the perfect time. Last night I was watching Marco Frisoni’s videos on value sketching as I want to push my undercoating beyond dry brush grey, then dry brush white. I ended watching them feeling a bit overwhelmed. This feels more accessible. Thanks!
Indeed, Marco's work is astonishing, and he makes it look so easy. Jay's video feels very accessible.
marco's a great painter and can accomplish things with a few brushstrokes that would take someone else way longer. still it inspires me to want to get better
@@klakhouse I also like his "ALLOOOOOO!" at the start of his videos. It makes me jump every time.
"And so I challenge you, yes you... ROB!!!"
What the F!!! That was seriously intimidating!! 🤣
I will do, Jay. I promise!!!
yeah Rob, screw you!
I went looking for a rob in the comments immediately after he said that
Same reaction! I was like "how many versions of this video did Jay make, and how did google know which one to play to me?????" HAHAHAHAHAHA
Seriously, I’m just here chilling with a nice beverage trying to unwind after thanksgiving and suddenly Jay is calling me out from inside my phone.
This was pretty spooky.
I applaud your 50 Shades of Grey joke. Just slide that in there super smooth.
I am a veteran of many warhammer painting channels and this is a good one. Kudos to you sir.
Really like this explanation on why and how to make this technique work. Lots of videos just kinda use it without giving us an understanding of why.
Also the mini looks cool.
I just started painting models but have an art background. This is how I envisioned the process to be but, glad that I can see this and now feel more confident that I am doing the right thing.
As yellow turns green over black, I recommend base coating parts you want yellow dark red first before you zenithal. It will make the shadows brown. Gives it a warm look rather than an haunting look to the yellow.
Bro this is a major help
Thank you for this video! I have been playing around with underpainting but there always seemed to be something missing. I think the biggest takeaway for me is to use normal acrylic paint instead of the speed paints once I start actually painting the model. The other thing is that I always have a hard time with highlighting so these little tips are going to be extremely helpful! Now onto my Perdita crew from Malifaux and see what I can pull off!
Gosh ! Finally someone explaining that in an easy and straightforward way. Amazing video, thanks :)
super easy basing, barely an inconvenience! oh using contrast paints on bases is TIGHT!
I've been using undercoating and contrast paints for quickly getting through some of the swarm enemies from Shadows of Brimstone that I would have had no hope finishing otherwise. Took far less time painting 12 void spiders with this technique than it did for me to paint 12 hellbats with washes and base colour layers.
Super easy! Barely an inconvenience!
Oh WOW!
Wowowowow
Really good, clear - _errrr_- primer. Thanks for posting.
Another great video. I always enjoy the EOB take on current trends.
That one dude named Rob just freaked out
I loved the simplicity and clarity of your video. It wasn't overloaded with too many new terms and concepts in one go and the brevity means that there's just enough info given before your brain starts to switch off!
Also, can I just say that you have beautifully groomed nails and hands? :-)
Eons - Maybe you thought purple and orange would go well together
Midwinter Minis - And i took that personally
We need more things in life that are super-easy and barely an inconvenience.
The shading layering trick does amazing things for mini paintings! I now have the drive to paint my Salamanders army! Thanks EOB!
I personally prefer using a dark brown instead of black and a warm off white instead of white when under painting. Everything comes out more saturated that way.
OK rob
Would it be possible to use this technique with models that use primarily metallic paints?
Thank you for explaining it and not just making another Slap Chop is better than everything video 👊
Regardless of whatever the current meta calls this technique, as Jay points out its a tool in your skill set. With new people coming into the hobby all the time, what seems tired and worn out to some is new to others. TBH tho, several content creators put a subtle spin on the technique which may appeal to different people. Thanks EoB!
Pitch Meeting references on a mini painting video are tight!
this is one of the best painting tutorials that isn't a painting tutorial i've ever seen for starting a model
I love the ‘pitch meeting’ quote super easy barely an inconvenience hahahaha
Basic slapchop was obviously a method for the inexperienced gamer to get table ready miniatures AND nothing wrong with that. You've managed to turn it into a useful tool in the pantheon of more methodical painting techniques and that's been a useful insight to me [at least]. And also thanks for making it clear that the 'special' slapchop paints aren't strictly neccessary - a great video, cheers.
I print black and painted from there for a long time
Layers and Layers never really looked right, a zenithal helped to make colour punchy a lot quicker and acted as a guide to where things should be bright
👍
My goodness that looks incredible
I actually really like that colour scheme, I could test it out on my sisters of battle. I was thinking of White and Pink of Black and Pink with gold as my tertiary colour.
Great video. Massively helpful!
Duuuuude that's so vibrant, I love it :)
I'm Rob and I was gonna slap chop for the first time.
That was well timed and still a little shaken.
Looks good.
Super easy. Barely an inconvenience.
cant you use different varnish for do a good contrast? like mat varnish all around, and bright varnish from above or on mettalic part?
So when does the slap chop come in? I bought one of ebay and still haven't used it for painting. I was hoping you'd be able to help :(
It's basically the same technique that the Flemish artists like van Eyck used over 500 years ago - color glazed over a monochromatic underpainting.
Nice video plus Ryan George reference.
Wow wow wow wow wow.....
...wow
The only problem with slapchop is that the end result is a bit muted, there arent many colors underneath, it all fades to black instead of fading to a vibrant color with a darker value. It's a good tool for some surfaces, but it wont work well on skin or wood or surfaces you want to feel alive
What if instead of a solid black base you base those skin areas in dark red?
Try Dana Howl's variation then: Prime with white, put black wash on the recesses only, drybrush white. You should have much brighter tones yet still have nice shadows. Watch her slapchop video for *FAR* more details and other choices.
That's why Renaissance painters used green, brown, or yellow in their Grisaille under paintings.
@@nekrataali Don't recall who was it that suggested Purple -> Tan -> White instead of black -> Grey -> White, makes lots of sense to me
This is why I don't use transparant paints that aren't really saturated/bright. I even use my Kimera paints as transparents, and that really pops.
Excellent Video Jay! I learned alot from this episode. Do you have a link to the products you recommended?
Can I check in - slap chop / underbrushing and zenithal do different things? My understanding was that zenithal is the top down where light would land, but slap chop / underbrushing is dry brushing white over the entire model?
It feels to me like this video is using both zenithal (targeted highlights) and slap chop?
Can undercoating be used to paint grey's?
(Jay says the line)
“Oh really?”
“That’s right sir”
How the hell did you know I was watching???!!
What a reference! Wow wow wow wow!
Wow!
The Ryan George reference was tight.
Live that style of Chaos marine. Who made the model, again?
me
Yeah Rob. I triple dog dare you!!!! Thanks gents fantastic as always!!!!
I was mad I wasn’t immediately good at painting minis and then I discovered slapchop lol it’s like a cheat code
How long did that paint job take you?
This was GREAT! Thanks 😀
Love your purple orange comment while your background lighting is purple and orange 😂
I kinda like that purple, might have to try this out for my emperor's children
Bro did you zenithal the speedpaint caps and paint them? That's F'ing Genius👍🏻
Jay, are you saying, "It is all about the Base?" 🎶
Thank god you picked "ROB" and not my name for the joke at the end. I would have lost my mind
I just want someone to look at me the way you look at that miniature.
I know this is the big buzz word now for this community but I am getting real sick of seeing everyone posting "slapchop" videos as if it's something new
Yeah, it’s a pretty established method that just seems to be a buzzword trend on UA-cam.
Unfortunately, that’s just how the algorithm works, they have to follow trends in videos otherwise the whole channel will suffer.
It's not a new method, but there was no real agreed term for it before. The advent of contrast paints make it a more viable technique for beginners, so giving it a name is appropriate, and everyone understands what Slapchop means at least.
Honestly, I am just happy to see anything that helps people get their models painted and on the table.
It's also indicative of how memetics work in niche communities, the word is synonymous with a concept or a technique. It's become a byword and once explained it serves as a swift encompassing tag for the whole kit and kaboodle.
We'll repopularise an existing technique again before long and give it a new name. My money is on using artist quality pencils to edge highlight.
I like the Ryan George reference
My last name is Robb so when he said “I challenge you, yes you rob” it shocked me.
great video. the yellow looks like gold nmm and the two colour at the base has an osl effect
Joe Stone Magic Mix
As a Rob, I feel personally targeted 😂 love this technique. I use it for all my painting
Glad I'm not the only one😂
NEW VIDEO LETS GOOO
Hey, he said the thing!!
My name is Rob and you really spun me out
“You’ve heard of Kung Fu? Well get ready for SLAPCHOP!” _Ham from Toy Story 2
Unexpected Pitch Meeting reference ☺️
Oh No! A title written to generate views?!
How many Robs out there just went "Who, me?"
Used a similar under coat method to try out Contrast paints on Ork Kommandos. THey turned out a little cartoonish which is fine for Orks.
Slapchop is… fine. It’s the painting technique for people that hate painting.
I love painting and it works great for me.
@@TwinkHerder do you have a workaround for that horrible texture it leaves on the model? Especially bad looking on armor/metal areas.
@@MiniPaintAdventurer Yeah black legion contrast and then drybrush metallics.
@@TwinkHerder if it works for you, great. For me, I hate the fuzzy texture that drybrushing gives especially on metallic areas. I have yet to see a slapchoped model that avoided this effect.
@@MiniPaintAdventurer if ur drybrushing leaves visible texture, yer doin sumthin wrong 🫣 maybe go watch an artis opus video on the subject, drybrushing does not have to be messy when done right…..
Seriously, Called me out right at the end... ;)
6:12 I feel targeted.
But I will do as you ask, I tried to do it on a model once but I did not start with a black base coat, I did light grey to white, so basically it was just white and the paint was quite thick so it was basically pointless.
"He knows my name!"
Gunna be honest, the model looks like the Barbie Dream Marine
Have you seen the new GW promotinal ork model for Christmas? With his guitar, I think he could be perfect for your madmax doof wagon conversion?
Dude's the Bob Ross of Warhammer
We challenge you to a Rock Off!
Give us one chance to knock your socks off...
@@hididdlydee \m/
Can you explore some STL files and compare the models to official GW minis?
That mini design lookin rough tbh imo
I love your videos
My name is Rob and I feel challenged
Phew! My name is not Rob. Lucky me!
Ok I’ll accept the challenge 😂😂😂😂
How did he know I was watching?! :)
>time to drybrush
>camera moves to wetpalette
The most beutiful noise marine
How did this guy know my name?
Who's Rob?! =)
It's worthless unless you do WHAT?
JAY WHY DID YOU SAY MY NAME AND HOW DID YOU KNOW I DONT DO THIS TECHNIQUE 06:10
@6:10 Who? Me?!?
I freaked out when you said Rob!!! How did you know? Why do you say that name!?!
A like alone from the sneak in 50 shades of gray joke ...
I'm sure you did this months ago and called it a super zenithal
waow waow waow....................................................................waow!
Nice video, great advices, thanks!
I feel attacked
It’s nice…but the results always seem a little like an old B&W movie that’s been colourised 🤔
Luckily for me, I am not Rob!
Wow wow wow.....wow wow.