Western classical music always teaches me to look outside myself & explore & enjoy ! Indian classical music always teaches me to look inside myself & explore & enjoy !
Both are beautiful forms of music. I have grown to love ALL kinds of music, from metal to jazz, classical to rap, there isn't many genres I really do not like. The beauty of classical is every country and culture has it's own sound and classical pieces. Indian classical music, Chinese classical music etc, they all sound of their country of origin, and are all beautiful to listen to. Music is what sets humans apart from our animal cousins, as no other living animal has been able to compose music, music is the collective voice of humanity x
I have met both of these excellent musicians and they were both very interesting to talk to. It's always fascinating talking to someone about something they really understand deeply.
Instead of language course we should made music classes mandatory at elementary schools. Music is truly global language And it is good for logical brain too
Sadly this isn't quite the thing. All the children's songs in the west are really just meant to pass on the whole 12TET V-I mindset that our ancestors have done. The arabic and indian 24TET sounds untuned to most westerners as it's not what's forcefully put into our brains at a young age. That's why I'm here actually, to get "un-used"
@@RobertSlover I played guitar in a fusion band with a sitar, he could play the drone strings to create an accompanying sound but to get that continuous rich drone he would use a tanpura backing track. Just look how long Roopa Panesar is leaving the sitar without playing as the drone continues, strings don't reverberate for that long, its clear that the speaker right beside her is playing the tanpura drone
Look at their eyes,pure respect towards the excitement of learning new things,without a pinch of arrogance or false pride.Even after they almost mastered their respective instruments,they still know how to listen to the other person. The world must be like this,do not think someone inferior,do not enforce one's beliefs on others.There is always something to learn in this life time. Love all and respect all and learn from the good things for humanity.
After watching this, I realised how very little I know of music and its technicalities... How artists throughout history have devoted their life to play, develop and evolve music and its study.
Sitar makes the most relaxing sounds that any instruments can't do it is difficult though there are many tempos 1)Alap ( Warm up Very Slow ) 2)Jor ( Slow Composition ) 3)Jhalla ( Solo Sitar ) 4) Vilambit ( Normal Composition ) 5)Drut Gat ( Faster Composition ) 6)Ati Drut Gat ( Can't even see the hands of the sitar player ).
I play both...guitar and sitar. Both instruments have their merits, especially when I want to hear a beautiful harmony of layered notes, guitar is amazing...when I want to hear a heavenly and soulful melody, I go to sitar
Roopa Phean Ji is such an accomplished musician and plays the sitar so effortlessly..truely enjoyable to listen too. Being a keen listener of both classical Indian and European music I can appreciate each genre and enjoy both. Thankyou for this informative conversation. 🙏
Wonderful symphony of two sounds !! The Guitar sounds like the " western cousin" of Sitar in this conversation ... amazing conversation Roopa and Craig !!!
Ogden refers to key changes in western music. A good example of a sitar doing this is found in the song "Folk Tune" by Kushal Das. It is on his Divine Soul album and also on YT.
Tinjana iguana -------------Well said. It is time for philosophies like, those who wear only "JEANS" will go to heaven all those who do not, or wear casuals are going to "BURN IN ETERNAL HELL"
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Tijuana iguana Exactly, and everyone know that the true god is the Flying Spaghetti Monster :)
Tijuana iguana You are aware that in the world there are a lot of polytheist religions and people practicing them (more than monotheists, in fact), don't you?
Thank you Philharmonia for sharing a wonderful conversation. Roopa Panesar looks like a goddess playing the Sitar, and she plays like one. Your response on Kirpal Panesar's video brought me here. Are they related? They both have similar style, brilliant musicians, extremely knowledgable, yet humble.
More than the instruments it's the musician whom I appreciate and I respect their talent! I can listen to them for hours when they hit my chord 'cause I know it for sure that music is universal be it western or eastern! A harp can port me to an alternate reality and so can a Sarod. A Saxophone can crack me up and so can an Esraj!
@@cyanhallows7809 but there is no concept of notes in Indian classical music.. Each and every musician has to learnthe Raaga by heart and to do that they spend hrs everyday for decades..
@@cyanhallows7809no need be rude. What's he's trying to say prob is that Indian music is mostly improvised and has an oral tradition. It's not "sheet" music as in the western classical tradition. It's never written down. Ragas are not written down, they have a fixed melody, some structure and mostly improvisation.
@@uog293 Tell me the musical traditions of the origin countries of these so called mughals....shithole central Asian countries gave india music... yeah right
Enjoy both worlds.Of course,we are often subjective in our judgement.Hence,one might like the sounds produced by a guitar;while another might prefer the sounds produced by a sitar.,while acknowledging that both instruments produce pleasant sounds.There is indescribable ecstasy I experience when listening to music."If,music is the food of love,play on!"
I love this type of stuff. Just hearing a knowledgeable musician discover the world of a new instrument is entertaining, it can be enjoyable to watch others learn what intrigues them.
Ohhh myy godd... i am getting good suggestions from YT. Great to watch this discussion between western and Indian classical musicians.Respect and love for both of them.❤️👌🏻
Really fantastic video, I like play famous songs on guitar but want also learn to play sitar I try to imitate sitar sound on classical guitar, a tough job but like the challenge
Interesting how most of the Indian commentators here feel the necessity to say that the sitar is heavenly and divine and the guitar just somewhat OK. I love and play both instruments but would never say one is better or more divine than the other. I guess it’s more about some nationalistic pride and musical socialization, and I assume the people who write this comparisons are not musicians and have no clue what they are talking about. All the classical Indian musicians I met are very respectful and admire European classical instruments music. A friend of mine who was on tour with the great Ravi Shankar always tells the story that when he was with R.S. on a Long Trip in a Train and Ravi asked him to put some music on. He put Bach‘s Brandenburg Concerto on. Ravi said to everyone including his daughter Anoushka to be silent for the next 30 minutes and repeatedly said: „Listen to this! This is the absolute perfection!“ His words are usually the ones I say when I hear him playing the sitar.
You are right. It is just Nationalistic Pride. Most of those Indians know nothing about Music. I, as an Indian, recently had an argument with someone. He was saying that Melodies in Western Music are very Mediocre, Western Music has only 2 Scales and so on. I had to school his a**. Nationalism is like a disease, whether you agree with me or not. Countries, western or eastern, try to instill a sense of pride in their citizens by promoting their history and culture. This is sad because people should have only one Identity : Rationality. Everything else is less significant. This Realisation will stop people from making comments like the ones made by the Indians in this comment section. Anyway, from an Objective Standpoint, Western Music, in general, is Nearly Universal, not Indian. Why ? Coz Indian Classical Music has ALWAYS been NON HARMONIC. However, Indian Classical Music is Awesome just the way it is. Why ? Coz it has Evolved very Beautifully in a Non Harmonic Way, thanks to the Unique Approach to Melody and Rhythm in Indian Classical. The System of Raag and Taal make Indian Music the most Unique Non Harmonic Musical Tradition on this Planet and I say that with 100 % certainty. Legendary Indian Composers like Shankar Ehsaan Loy and A. R. Rahman have combined Indian Classical and Western Harmony so beautifully that their Music is one of the Finest in the world, at least according to me. Anyway, my point is that anything that is worthy of appreciation, because of it's Beauty and Uniqueness/ Originality, should be appreciated, without any kind of pride. Why ? Coz Pride clouds our judgement and makes us narrow minded. When I realised this, I started loving All Kinds of Music. That is what we should care about, as Rational humans ...
@@vincentdequiram1102 No worries ! I always like to be factual or objective. It's the one thing that most people don't care too much about. That's why they end up saying all kinds of BS 😂
@@DipayanPyne94 What's "factual" about someone's personal opinion ? What's 'objective' about personal taste ? You are reading too much into peoples comments .Most of the time it's an acquired taste or conditioning ,not some "nationalistic" "chauvinistic " premediated attack on guitar 😆 .
@@kunjukunjunil1481 There's nothing factual about people's tastes. That's right. That wasn't my point. My point was that people should be factual and objective. They are often not. Their subjectivity is reflected in their musical tastes. When they start judging others for different tastes, that's when the problem starts. That's what I am against. Now, even in music, there are certain objective standards. For eg, there is no concept of harmony in Indian music. This obviously makes Indian music incomplete from an educational standpoint. Indian music can NEVER be Universal. Western Music is Universal, only because it has Harmony. Finally, if it is really just acquired taste, then new tastes can also be acquired. For that, people need an open mind. The mind often becomes closed because of nationalism or cultural pride. That must stop. Simple ...
I think there's a lot of unexplored territory with the sitar. Rock bands have used them. The Beatles of course, The Stones, Les Claypool. But, I'd like to see some fusion jazz with sitar. I think that would be cool.
Why? They've done every other instrument. Jazz violin, jazz synthesizer, then you got the vibes, flute, trumpet with effects, electric guitars and whatever else. It's as though they want to do jazz with every instrument. Everyone except one. Hey look. I just found bagpipes jazz. ua-cam.com/video/2nekk4tJoqo/v-deo.html
I guess my concern is that there's an increasingly higher inclination to seek extreme novelty in music rather than taking the time to build an interest from its primitive states. It's a low grade gratification for the viewer and it kinda just leads nowhere except to another messy cultural crossover. And it doesn't stop there!!
Extreme novelty? So what would that be? Whenever I think of novel approaches to music, I tend to think of artists who are highly respected. Bela Fleck comes to mind. The Beatles, Pink Floyd, György Ligeti. With music I always tend to think "why not?" rather than "should I?". There's no rules. You have incredible freedom to do whatever kind of crazy sound you want. Personally, I'd like to hear more extreme novelty. Also, I found it. Someone is doing jazz fusion with a sitar. ua-cam.com/video/E36mrhSaXT4/v-deo.html
Of course there's the freedom but why is that such a good thing? Take an existing discipline and bend a couple of subtle rules...then you're cooking with gas!
Classical guitar is excellent in the formation of beautiful music while Sitar is divine which can lead us to another dimension with its smooth vibrato. Thanks, Roopa, for this great presentation. I am from Assam.
In addition to what Roopa was saying about the structure of a raag/raga, it is a fascinating cultural experience to attend an Indian Classical Music concert - one which I highly recommend. I am talking about seeing a performer in the context of a concert put on by one of the many 'societies'/organizations devoted to Sangeet (vocals, dance and instrumental music) which are to be found all over the world. I have attended so many of these concerts, through the organization of which I am a member, that I find it strange to see Indian Classical Music performed in a predominantly Western context (e.g., with an audience that is not familiar with things such as the audience calling out their approval at various times).
Thank you so much PhilharmonialLondon for the Information, I used to hear this piece a lot on Kabul Radio when I was a child back home, they used to recite poetries and play soft music in back ground such as this one. Thanks again!
This is a brilliant video in many ways. Melodical Differences can be heard live on top of that Sitar sounds deep and full of life. 🎸 on the other hand is more of a light music instrument. Nothing against 🎸 in anyway. I love both instruments. She is amazing at what she is doing. I am glad you chose one of the best suitar players in the world to demonstrate it. Thanks
There is so much Humility and respect for each other and there styles of playing in the discussion. That give a real warmth and joy to the heart of anybody listening to this beautiful but informative discussion. I hope there is a video where they both play together. May both the musicians be blessed with long life and more fantastic music in there life.
Classical guitarist Simon Thacker has been performing (and composing) Asian-style music with his group 'Svara Kanti' (including violinist Jaqueline Shave) in fine style - check them out.
They are many great and dynamic musicians in the world.I do bow and respect all of them,but there are only a handfull of them who can touch your heart and soul.Roopa Panesar is one of them,very great dynamic and divine gem who has that art of touching people's heart and soul with her divine music.
What a fantastic interview conducted by Craig Oden. I would rate Roopa Panesar as the worlds second greatest feminine sitar player after Anoushka Shankar! Roopa is simply a phenomenon! She is so talented! Amazing to see someone who grew up in England become such a virtuoso. Usually great sitar players come from India but what a rare exception! G
It is funny that you think Anoushka shankar is better than Rupa Panesar. In fact Anoushka is pretty ordinary, she used to be a lousy one, but improved recently. However, her skill and talent come nowhere near Rupa's.
Vasant Rai (RIP), the disciple of the incomparable guru Ustad Allauddin Khan (Guru also of his son Ustad Ali Akbar Khan as well as Nikhil Banerjee, Annapurna Devi, Ravi Shankar, and many others) and who also was the last student to receive the Guru's complete musical training, emerging a virtuoso on the sarod, was experimenting with playing Indian classical music on his invention the Sur-Guitar, a classical guitar tuned BF#BF#BE, low to high, and the fret board replaced with a fretless sheet of stainless steel like a Sarod. There are very few recordings of him playing it, but I cannot recommend them enough. His other recordings on Sarod are incredible as well.
both eastern & western music & instruments r majestic in their own rights & territory... but the associated ego & arguments resulting from it is sickening...& that too frm the people who dont even play or understand either kind of music fully... can we drop the identity & looks of it & solely dive deeper in the most important thing here which is "music"
Her Sitar is tuned as per Vilayat Khan style. It is strung and tuned differently. It only has 2 and half octaves where as Ravi Shankar and Nikhil Banerjee have deeper octave strings. There are no key changes in Raga performance. They are different musics.
Roopa Panesar is world's number one sitar player.She has the style of her own that trigger's your heart and sends the divine vibrations direct to your soul.I bow to her again and again.she is the Divine Saraswatie Maata who is giving her divine grace to the world in the form of her divine music.I adore her and bow to her again and again.
@ Rick Compared to Eastern Music, particularly Indian Music, Western Music is very very straight. Given that I come from an Indian background and have listened to both Indian and Western Classical for a long time, it is obvious to me that Western Music barely makes use of Continuity like Indian Classical does. The reason for this is very simple: Piano. The Piano became the basis for Western Classical and everything that followed. So, the concept of utilizing 'Continuous' Forms of Melodic Ornamentation was barely explored. This 'Continuity' is so common in Indian Classical that if u remove it from any piece, it will instantly stop being Indian Classical. I just listened to Paganini for a few minutes, after reading your comment. I can still see minimal usage of 'Continuity'. The notes still sound very distinct. This doesn't take away the fact that Paganini was a genius. I already knew that before reading your comment. But anyway. The original comment is very much true. It just tells us that Music Theory is not universal. There is something unique about every tradition. That just means more diversity for us all to appreciate.
@@DipayanPyne as you said the continuity in notes is a part of indian music it's also depends on the instruments like tanpura if you pluck a string you can hear the sound for a long time because of its structure but in piano even if you play a major key the sound won't last that long.So yes they didn't explore long continuous notes because of the instruments.Both of our definition of straight sound might differ but what I've heard I found that there are specific keys for every raga to Express that specific emotion but in western you can use any key to make your musical composition. And there's another fact that I like in Indian music that they have characterised music based on feelings,seasons, materials, gods and many things which makes the count nearly 400000 ragas and that's very huge and amazing.
@ Rick Mate. I think u misunderstood what I meant by 'Continuity'. I was not referring to how long a note lasts, whether played on a Piano or a Tanpura or any String Instrument or any Instrument of any kind. By Continuity, I meant: SMOOTH CHANGE during change of note from one note to another. This change is abrupt most of the time in Western Music. In Piano, the change is ALWAYS abrupt, because you can not play anything from a semi-tonal interval. So, a Piano has to be instantly discarded, as far as Indian Classical Music is concerned (although you can somehow get the feel of a raag in a primitive form). You need to pick up a String Instrument for that, like a Sarangi or Veena or Sitar or Violin. Did you know that Violin, despite being a Western Classical Instrument, was adopted in the last century or so, for Indian Classical ? The Indian Classical Violin sounds stylistically quite different from the Original Western one. Funny how one can be useful for the other. Anyway. You do have 'Continuity' in Western Classical, such as a Glissando, but it is SO MUCH MORE in Indian Classical. Indian Classical actually thrives on 'Continuous Note Variation'. But anyway, you are right about Raags. It is a very sophisticated system with various types, categorized in multiple ways. However, I think you are mistaken about the idea of 'Keys'. Even in Indian Classical, as far as I am aware, any Key can be selected for a composition. It's just that once a key has been selected, it remains fixed during a performance. There is no modulation. The Tanpura actually maintains the Key in Indian Classical Performances. I think what one needs to understand is that once a Key and a Thaat (Scale) have been selected, specific notes are played for a specific raag. Also, u hv concepts like Aroha & Avaroha and a lot more. Raags truly Color the Mind, as it is rightfully said, quite often ...
@@musicworship4520 guitar It is recognized as a primary instrument in genres such as blues, bluegrass, country, flamenco, folk, jazz, jota, mariachi, metal, punk, reggae, rock, soul, and pop. And sitar is a traditional instrument and we can play most of the music types . In this video the sitar changes our mood that's what I meant by feelings and that feeling dosent mean it's love it's the spirituality which u told. But ha sitar sounds best in indian classical music . And guitar in western . So u can't compare them , I compared them with the feelings we get by listening to it
sitar will sound more beautiful with tabla taal its like big brother singing and sister dancing both can overpower each other but with right swar and laay its the most beautiful verse you will hear any tabla player here.
Funny how the classical guitar sings so much more powerfully its single notes, while the sitar sounds like a whole orchestra. Really instruments of different conception.
Western classical music always teaches me to look outside myself & explore & enjoy !
Indian classical music always teaches me to look inside myself & explore & enjoy !
Exactly mate
Western is material nd indian is spritual
@@NishantSingh-qe7vv haven't heard a lot of classical guitar, have you?
Amazing way to put it
Both are beautiful forms of music. I have grown to love ALL kinds of music, from metal to jazz, classical to rap, there isn't many genres I really do not like. The beauty of classical is every country and culture has it's own sound and classical pieces. Indian classical music, Chinese classical music etc, they all sound of their country of origin, and are all beautiful to listen to. Music is what sets humans apart from our animal cousins, as no other living animal has been able to compose music, music is the collective voice of humanity x
The Sitar is so majestic, the looks, the sound, the discipline, the everything...
Is the sitar disciplined?
@@MykTheOccultist Beat me to it, I'm 3 months late.
cuz we respect our goddess of knowledge saraswati we have to be disciplined to show respect for music which is one of her ability 😉
@@randal7101 its tampura in banground used during yoga and meditation in india
@@MykTheOccultist why it is more disciplined than a guitar is........
Guitar sounds like chilling summer in Italian country side
Sitar has heavenly sound
I have met both of these excellent musicians and they were both very interesting to talk to. It's always fascinating talking to someone about something they really understand deeply.
+Joshua Rosen Thanks for sharing Josh, great that you enjoyed the video.
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No hard feelings for guitar, but Sitar sounds like it's from heaven
... what?
India's heaven ,,,,you mean?
Bhai swarg mai bajate hi honge naarad
You stole my comment 4 months back. I second you
@@tonmoydeka7319
No . All heavens my dear .
Listen to guitar and see the sweetness in it.
Instead of language course we should made music classes mandatory at elementary schools.
Music is truly global language
And it is good for logical brain too
what an irony. your name😂😂🤣
Language also has its own beauty..you touch soul with music but touch heart when you speak someone's language.. my idea of it!😇
I think we need both
Yup, music makes you a better person.
Sadly this isn't quite the thing.
All the children's songs in the west are really just meant to pass on the whole 12TET V-I mindset that our ancestors have done. The arabic and indian 24TET sounds untuned to most westerners as it's not what's forcefully put into our brains at a young age. That's why I'm here actually, to get "un-used"
I love how the sitar seems to breathe, constantly.
Its tanpura playing in the background.
@@sagnik489 no the sympathetic strings vibrate passively creating an almost spooky "breathing" effect.
@@RobertSlover not for that long and the sympathetic strings aren't that deep. You cant see the speaker to her left
@@yessidolemerchant5143 how do you know tom?
@@RobertSlover I played guitar in a fusion band with a sitar, he could play the drone strings to create an accompanying sound but to get that continuous rich drone he would use a tanpura backing track. Just look how long Roopa Panesar is leaving the sitar without playing as the drone continues, strings don't reverberate for that long, its clear that the speaker right beside her is playing the tanpura drone
Look at their eyes,pure respect towards the excitement of learning new things,without a pinch of arrogance or false pride.Even after they almost mastered their respective instruments,they still know how to listen to the other person. The world must be like this,do not think someone inferior,do not enforce one's beliefs on others.There is always something to learn in this life time. Love all and respect all and learn from the good things for humanity.
Sitar always brings my tears. Down. I don't know why but it is.
Amazing .
I love the sitar very much , and the sound its so heavenly !
Fell in love with the sitar
Her name is Roopa
He is playing the Concierto de Aranjuez by Joaquín Rodrigo. It's the slow, second movement, Adagio.
After watching this, I realised how very little I know of music and its technicalities... How artists throughout history have devoted their life to play, develop and evolve music and its study.
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Between 8:55 and 8:59, the blend of guitar and sitar just gave me goosebumps 😍
Make one on Sarangi plz
Sitar makes the most relaxing sounds that any instruments can't do it is difficult though there are many tempos
1)Alap ( Warm up Very Slow )
2)Jor ( Slow Composition )
3)Jhalla ( Solo Sitar )
4) Vilambit ( Normal Composition )
5)Drut Gat ( Faster Composition )
6)Ati Drut Gat ( Can't even see the hands of the sitar player ).
I play both...guitar and sitar. Both instruments have their merits, especially when I want to hear a beautiful harmony of layered notes, guitar is amazing...when I want to hear a heavenly and soulful melody, I go to sitar
Lovely to hear both instruments played together.
Roopa Phean Ji is such an accomplished musician and plays the sitar so effortlessly..truely enjoyable to listen too.
Being a keen listener of both classical Indian and European music I can appreciate each genre and enjoy both.
Thankyou for this informative conversation. 🙏
She is very calm..i love that from an Indian. Because that is the real Indians ..♥️🇲🇻✌️😊
From an Indian? she's British with Indian heritage
Both artists were not just clearly informative and had great banter but are exceptionally talented I like
When Legends Talk, time stops and listens.
With you. What a pleasant experience listening to them.
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OMG.. she played Rodrigo's Concierto de Aranjuez on her sitar... that sound of combination of guitar and sitar is really beautiful..
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the beatles figured this out in 1967. i love the sitar. i believe a piece written for both by master of both would d well.
Wonderful symphony of two sounds !! The Guitar sounds like the " western cousin" of Sitar in this conversation ... amazing conversation Roopa and Craig !!!
Ogden refers to key changes in western music. A good example of a sitar doing this is found in the song "Folk Tune" by Kushal Das. It is on his Divine Soul album and also on YT.
great interview ,love the two most beautifull instrument differences
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Loved this exchange of music between three east and West. Need more of this.. beautiful
Roopa is divine in every aspect of the word, she is truly a gift from the gods
johnny moses lol this isn't Roman gladiator times there isn't multiple gods
Tinjana iguana -------------Well said. It is time for philosophies like, those who wear only "JEANS" will go to heaven all those who do not, or wear casuals are going to "BURN IN ETERNAL HELL"
Tijuana iguana Exactly, and everyone know that the true god is the Flying Spaghetti Monster :)
Tijuana iguana You are aware that in the world there are a lot of polytheist religions and people practicing them (more than monotheists, in fact), don't you?
@@shiva_MMIV nah, there are more monotheists, Christianity has 2 billion people following it, and Islam has almost 2 billion too
Thank you Philharmonia for sharing a wonderful conversation. Roopa Panesar looks like a goddess playing the Sitar, and she plays like one.
Your response on Kirpal Panesar's video brought me here. Are they related? They both have similar style, brilliant musicians, extremely knowledgable, yet humble.
Not related, just talented musicians from UK
More than the instruments it's the musician whom I appreciate and I respect their talent! I can listen to them for hours when they hit my chord 'cause I know it for sure that music is universal be it western or eastern! A harp can port me to an alternate reality and so can a Sarod. A Saxophone can crack me up and so can an Esraj!
that was an amazing explanation for a western guy like me ! thank you for this
Indian instument players Don't really rely on written notes and bars...
Ears are enough...
Every good musician develops their ear...................
@@cyanhallows7809 but there is no concept of notes in Indian classical music.. Each and every musician has to learnthe Raaga by heart and to do that they spend hrs everyday for decades..
@@ChinmayLive raaga is the concept of notes, what are u talking about there is no concept of notes. loony
@@cyanhallows7809no need be rude. What's he's trying to say prob is that Indian music is mostly improvised and has an oral tradition. It's not "sheet" music as in the western classical tradition. It's never written down. Ragas are not written down, they have a fixed melody, some structure and mostly improvisation.
Both the instruments are beautiful in their own ways!
Pride of India, Nobody can touch Indian classical music.
@@uog293 Not bringing man,It was developed in india , Thanks to their music taste
@@uog293 lol music is haram in islam...
@@aishwaryaprakash229 Muslims appropriated and stole our culture
@@uog293 Tell me the musical traditions of the origin countries of these so called mughals....shithole central Asian countries gave india music... yeah right
Enjoy both worlds.Of course,we are often subjective in our judgement.Hence,one might like the sounds produced by a guitar;while another might prefer the sounds produced by a sitar.,while acknowledging that both instruments produce pleasant sounds.There is indescribable ecstasy I experience when listening to music."If,music is the food of love,play on!"
I love this type of stuff. Just hearing a knowledgeable musician discover the world of a new instrument is entertaining, it can be enjoyable to watch others learn what intrigues them.
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Ohhh myy godd... i am getting good suggestions from YT.
Great to watch this discussion between western and Indian classical musicians.Respect and love for both of them.❤️👌🏻
Really fantastic video, I like play famous songs on guitar but want also learn to play sitar
I try to imitate sitar sound on classical guitar, a tough job but like the challenge
The sound of sitar is mesmerizing. I love guitar too, specially fingerstyle.
Interesting how most of the Indian commentators here feel the necessity to say that the sitar is heavenly and divine and the guitar just somewhat OK. I love and play both instruments but would never say one is better or more divine than the other. I guess it’s more about some nationalistic pride and musical socialization, and I assume the people who write this comparisons are not musicians and have no clue what they are talking about. All the classical Indian musicians I met are very respectful and admire European classical instruments music. A friend of mine who was on tour with the great Ravi Shankar always tells the story that when he was with R.S. on a Long Trip in a Train and Ravi asked him to put some music on. He put Bach‘s Brandenburg Concerto on. Ravi said to everyone including his daughter Anoushka to be silent for the next 30 minutes and repeatedly said: „Listen to this! This is the absolute perfection!“ His words are usually the ones I say when I hear him playing the sitar.
You are right. It is just Nationalistic Pride. Most of those Indians know nothing about Music. I, as an Indian, recently had an argument with someone. He was saying that Melodies in Western Music are very Mediocre, Western Music has only 2 Scales and so on. I had to school his a**.
Nationalism is like a disease, whether you agree with me or not. Countries, western or eastern, try to instill a sense of pride in their citizens by promoting their history and culture. This is sad because people should have only one Identity : Rationality. Everything else is less significant. This Realisation will stop people from making comments like the ones made by the Indians in this comment section.
Anyway, from an Objective Standpoint, Western Music, in general, is Nearly Universal, not Indian. Why ? Coz Indian Classical Music has ALWAYS been NON HARMONIC. However, Indian Classical Music is Awesome just the way it is. Why ? Coz it has Evolved very Beautifully in a Non Harmonic Way, thanks to the Unique Approach to Melody and Rhythm in Indian Classical. The System of Raag and Taal make Indian Music the most Unique Non Harmonic Musical Tradition on this Planet and I say that with 100 % certainty. Legendary Indian Composers like Shankar Ehsaan Loy and A. R. Rahman have combined Indian Classical and Western Harmony so beautifully that their Music is one of the Finest in the world, at least according to me.
Anyway, my point is that anything that is worthy of appreciation, because of it's Beauty and Uniqueness/ Originality, should be appreciated, without any kind of pride. Why ? Coz Pride clouds our judgement and makes us narrow minded. When I realised this, I started loving All Kinds of Music. That is what we should care about, as Rational humans ...
@@DipayanPyne94 Thank you for this wonderful response
@@vincentdequiram1102 No worries ! I always like to be factual or objective. It's the one thing that most people don't care too much about. That's why they end up saying all kinds of BS 😂
@@DipayanPyne94 What's "factual" about someone's personal opinion ? What's 'objective' about personal taste ? You are reading too much into peoples comments .Most of the time it's an acquired taste or conditioning ,not some "nationalistic" "chauvinistic " premediated attack on guitar 😆 .
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There's nothing factual about people's tastes. That's right. That wasn't my point.
My point was that people should be factual and objective. They are often not. Their subjectivity is reflected in their musical tastes. When they start judging others for different tastes, that's when the problem starts. That's what I am against.
Now, even in music, there are certain objective standards. For eg, there is no concept of harmony in Indian music. This obviously makes Indian music incomplete from an educational standpoint. Indian music can NEVER be Universal. Western Music is Universal, only because it has Harmony.
Finally, if it is really just acquired taste, then new tastes can also be acquired. For that, people need an open mind. The mind often becomes closed because of nationalism or cultural pride. That must stop. Simple ...
Life is amazing, when you see people at their best. I never cared for Sitar till I saw this video. Mind blown!
Thank you!
Thanks for asking such basic questions, and explanations; Wish I found this a long time ago!!
Rupa Sister I like your veena vadan. I love music.Really You are Great for me.very Nice. please make more videos.
I think there's a lot of unexplored territory with the sitar. Rock bands have used them. The Beatles of course, The Stones, Les Claypool. But, I'd like to see some fusion jazz with sitar. I think that would be cool.
God I hope I never hear jazz sitar fusion
Why? They've done every other instrument. Jazz violin, jazz synthesizer, then you got the vibes, flute, trumpet with effects, electric guitars and whatever else. It's as though they want to do jazz with every instrument. Everyone except one.
Hey look. I just found bagpipes jazz. ua-cam.com/video/2nekk4tJoqo/v-deo.html
I guess my concern is that there's an increasingly higher inclination to seek extreme novelty in music rather than taking the time to build an interest from its primitive states. It's a low grade gratification for the viewer and it kinda just leads nowhere except to another messy cultural crossover. And it doesn't stop there!!
Extreme novelty? So what would that be? Whenever I think of novel approaches to music, I tend to think of artists who are highly respected. Bela Fleck comes to mind. The Beatles, Pink Floyd, György Ligeti. With music I always tend to think "why not?" rather than "should I?". There's no rules. You have incredible freedom to do whatever kind of crazy sound you want. Personally, I'd like to hear more extreme novelty.
Also, I found it. Someone is doing jazz fusion with a sitar. ua-cam.com/video/E36mrhSaXT4/v-deo.html
Of course there's the freedom but why is that such a good thing? Take an existing discipline and bend a couple of subtle rules...then you're cooking with gas!
Classical guitar is excellent in the formation of beautiful music while Sitar is divine which can lead us to another dimension with its smooth vibrato. Thanks, Roopa, for this great presentation. I am from Assam.
Nice interview of two disciplines. Very informative.
In addition to what Roopa was saying about the structure of a raag/raga, it is a fascinating cultural experience to attend an Indian Classical Music concert - one which I highly recommend. I am talking about seeing a performer in the context of a concert put on by one of the many 'societies'/organizations devoted to Sangeet (vocals, dance and instrumental music) which are to be found all over the world. I have attended so many of these concerts, through the organization of which I am a member, that I find it strange to see Indian Classical Music performed in a predominantly Western context (e.g., with an audience that is not familiar with things such as the audience calling out their approval at various times).
Beautiful both the guitar and the sitar.
Thanks for making this one, interesting to see the conversation with guitarist and Sitarist, loving it!! ❤❤❤
Glad you enjoyed it!
Thank you so much PhilharmonialLondon for the Information, I used to hear this piece a lot on Kabul Radio when I was a child back home, they used to recite poetries and play soft music in back ground such as this one.
Thanks again!
Super interesting! Thank you
Fabulous channel, performers and music
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This is a brilliant video in many ways. Melodical Differences can be heard live on top of that Sitar sounds deep and full of life. 🎸 on the other hand is more of a light music instrument. Nothing against 🎸 in anyway. I love both instruments. She is amazing at what she is doing. I am glad you chose one of the best suitar players in the world to demonstrate it. Thanks
wow that sitar really drones on and on
She had a tambura drone on her phone. But definitely a beautiful made sitar.
It’s actually quite annoying to me on its own. It’s just one note sustained forever pretty much.
It’s actually quite annoying to me on its own. It’s just one note sustained forever pretty much.
There is so much Humility and respect for each other and there styles of playing in the discussion. That give a real warmth and joy to the heart of anybody listening to this beautiful but informative discussion. I hope there is a video where they both play together. May both the musicians be blessed with long life and more fantastic music in there life.
It's like guitar and sitar communicating with each other divine man
Thank you so much
Classical guitarist Simon Thacker has been performing (and composing) Asian-style music with his group 'Svara Kanti' (including violinist Jaqueline Shave) in fine style - check them out.
Wow.... I love the conversation... Lots of love to you both
Superb Video .. Both Are just Amazing Players
Wonderful conversation
Such an absolutely superb and accomplished musician RoopaJi 👏 🙏🏽
Really amazing I just excited to see
They are many great and dynamic musicians in the world.I do bow and respect all of them,but there are only a handfull of them who can touch your heart and soul.Roopa Panesar is one of them,very great dynamic and divine gem who has that art of touching people's heart and soul with her divine music.
Awsome much appreciation ,
any muscical instrument played with feeling is thank you
Informatively inspirational.
Thank you Philharmonic Orchestra.
Keep on.
Awesome music with really elegant people
I have watched this almost 10 times 🙂
Beautiful music and musician !!
Beautiful rendition- great talent , an inspiration for music lovers like me
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I don't know why but when i hear Sitar sound then I feel so relaxed n become stress free
What a great video. Such great musicians both of them.
this was such a beautiful watch
No hard feelings of guitar but sitar sounds like it’s from heaven
I wish this conversation went on for very long
What a fantastic interview conducted by Craig Oden. I would rate Roopa Panesar as the worlds second greatest feminine sitar player after Anoushka Shankar! Roopa is simply a phenomenon! She is so talented! Amazing to see someone who grew up in England become such a virtuoso. Usually great sitar players come from India but what a rare exception! G
It is funny that you think Anoushka shankar is better than Rupa Panesar. In fact Anoushka is pretty ordinary, she used to be a lousy one, but improved recently. However, her skill and talent come nowhere near Rupa's.
Vasant Rai (RIP), the disciple of the incomparable guru Ustad Allauddin Khan (Guru also of his son Ustad Ali Akbar Khan as well as Nikhil Banerjee, Annapurna Devi, Ravi Shankar, and many others) and who also was the last student to receive the Guru's complete musical training, emerging a virtuoso on the sarod, was experimenting with playing Indian classical music on his invention the Sur-Guitar, a classical guitar tuned BF#BF#BE, low to high, and the fret board replaced with a fretless sheet of stainless steel like a Sarod. There are very few recordings of him playing it, but I cannot recommend them enough. His other recordings on Sarod are incredible as well.
Jaw fucking dropping phenomenal sitar player I got so inspired
How she played the Sitar in Teen Taal (16th note cycle) was mesmerizing
Excellent. God bless both.
The way she is explaining is heaven in itself ..
Both are superb :) Thanks for the video.
I like Indian classical music very much
The Guitar faded in front of sitar
sitar have so much feel in its sound... and guiter sounds exotic.
She's a great musician. I wish I coulod join her in playing.
Simply beautiful !
both eastern & western music & instruments r majestic in their own rights & territory... but the associated ego & arguments resulting from it is sickening...& that too frm the people who dont even play or understand either kind of music fully... can we drop the identity & looks of it & solely dive deeper in the most important thing here which is "music"
Her Sitar is tuned as per Vilayat Khan style. It is strung and tuned differently. It only has 2 and half octaves where as Ravi Shankar and Nikhil Banerjee have deeper octave strings. There are no key changes in Raga performance.
They are different musics.
Roopa Panesar is world's number one sitar player.She has the style of her own that trigger's your heart and sends the divine vibrations direct to your soul.I bow to her again and again.she is the Divine Saraswatie Maata who is giving her divine grace to the world in the form of her divine music.I adore her and bow to her again and again.
How do you judge that someone is the number one player of their instrument in the world?
satya padma so how is she number one ???
from what I have understood till date, western music are more straight while eastern is everything but straight. did anyone understand what I meant?
It was quite confusing. Just explain what you mean ... (Edit: I got what u meant) ...
I would argue that ,western music isn't straight listen to paganini
@ Rick
Compared to Eastern Music, particularly Indian Music, Western Music is very very straight. Given that I come from an Indian background and have listened to both Indian and Western Classical for a long time, it is obvious to me that Western Music barely makes use of Continuity like Indian Classical does. The reason for this is very simple: Piano. The Piano became the basis for Western Classical and everything that followed. So, the concept of utilizing 'Continuous' Forms of Melodic Ornamentation was barely explored. This 'Continuity' is so common in Indian Classical that if u remove it from any piece, it will instantly stop being Indian Classical. I just listened to Paganini for a few minutes, after reading your comment. I can still see minimal usage of 'Continuity'. The notes still sound very distinct. This doesn't take away the fact that Paganini was a genius. I already knew that before reading your comment. But anyway. The original comment is very much true. It just tells us that Music Theory is not universal. There is something unique about every tradition. That just means more diversity for us all to appreciate.
@@DipayanPyne as you said the continuity in notes is a part of indian music it's also depends on the instruments like tanpura if you pluck a string you can hear the sound for a long time because of its structure but in piano even if you play a major key the sound won't last that long.So yes they didn't explore long continuous notes because of the instruments.Both of our definition of straight sound might differ but what I've heard I found that there are specific keys for every raga to Express that specific emotion but in western you can use any key to make your musical composition. And there's another fact that I like in Indian music that they have characterised music based on feelings,seasons, materials, gods and many things which makes the count nearly 400000 ragas and that's very huge and amazing.
@ Rick
Mate. I think u misunderstood what I meant by 'Continuity'. I was not referring to how long a note lasts, whether played on a Piano or a Tanpura or any String Instrument or any Instrument of any kind. By Continuity, I meant: SMOOTH CHANGE during change of note from one note to another. This change is abrupt most of the time in Western Music. In Piano, the change is ALWAYS abrupt, because you can not play anything from a semi-tonal interval. So, a Piano has to be instantly discarded, as far as Indian Classical Music is concerned (although you can somehow get the feel of a raag in a primitive form). You need to pick up a String Instrument for that, like a Sarangi or Veena or Sitar or Violin. Did you know that Violin, despite being a Western Classical Instrument, was adopted in the last century or so, for Indian Classical ? The Indian Classical Violin sounds stylistically quite different from the Original Western one. Funny how one can be useful for the other. Anyway. You do have 'Continuity' in Western Classical, such as a Glissando, but it is SO MUCH MORE in Indian Classical. Indian Classical actually thrives on 'Continuous Note Variation'.
But anyway, you are right about Raags. It is a very sophisticated system with various types, categorized in multiple ways. However, I think you are mistaken about the idea of 'Keys'. Even in Indian Classical, as far as I am aware, any Key can be selected for a composition. It's just that once a key has been selected, it remains fixed during a performance. There is no modulation. The Tanpura actually maintains the Key in Indian Classical Performances. I think what one needs to understand is that once a Key and a Thaat (Scale) have been selected, specific notes are played for a specific raag. Also, u hv concepts like Aroha & Avaroha and a lot more. Raags truly Color the Mind, as it is rightfully said, quite often ...
Masterpiece at 5:41❤️❤️❤️
Very instructive
guitar: instrument of romance and passion
sitar :- instrument of feelings (spirituality )
@@musicworship4520 guitar It is recognized as a primary instrument in genres such as blues, bluegrass, country, flamenco, folk, jazz, jota, mariachi, metal, punk, reggae, rock, soul, and pop. And sitar is a traditional instrument and we can play most of the music types . In this video the sitar changes our mood that's what I meant by feelings and that feeling dosent mean it's love it's the spirituality which u told. But ha sitar sounds best in indian classical music . And guitar in western . So u can't compare them , I compared them with the feelings we get by listening to it
Oooooooo........ It's really beautiful. Thank you very much for this experimental vidio. Thank.you.
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sitar will sound more beautiful with tabla taal its like big brother singing and sister dancing both can overpower each other but with right swar and laay its the most beautiful verse you will hear any tabla player here.
Funny how the classical guitar sings so much more powerfully its single notes, while the sitar sounds like a whole orchestra. Really instruments of different conception.
mesmerizing..simply mesmerizing...
Her eyes have soul
5:30 - What did she say the section is called? Where they use strings to create rythmic patterns.
Jhala.
en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jhala?wprov=sfla1
What a lovely combination ❤❤❤