Slapping a price of 9m pounds on Dobbin is all the evidence needed that these were dodgy dealings. I know he's young but he's miles out of his depth even at Champ level.
He couldn't even dislodge our League 1 front 2 which included a 35 & 32 duo of Mcgoldrick & James Collins. Hell he had the same number of goals as Osula who was recalled in January.
He did show some genuine talent last season though, and I was actually quite disappointed when we sold him. While he may look out of his depth at the moment, I think he could be a genuine baller given a few more years of development, and could prove to be a good long-term investment for Villa.
It’s not dodgy though is it both clubs agreed it is completely fair. Both Villa and Everton have every right to find some way exploit a system that is basically designed to stop any of the already established ‘top 6’ progressing.
@@GuitarJammerJohn 'To exploit the system', in other words it's dodgy. The same way that selling the stadium to the owner to exploit FFP is dodgy, as Sheffield Wednesday and Villa did in the past. Villa in particular are very good at finding loopholes that mean they don't have to generate revenue through sustainable means.
Out of curiosity, but how could you measure the impact of an assistant coach? Are you judging their success off of what they win as an assistant or off of what they win as head coaches?
@@BaldinosalvadorIf its assistant coaches it would either be their impact or what they won as assistants. Like Phelan at United would be a good example
@@Baldinosalvador I have absolutely zero clue what specific grounds you’d assess this on as certain assistant managers have much greater impacts on teams eg. Beale and Gerrard at rangers. However, I’m sure he could work out a way to rank them, perhaps a list of 7 of the greatest as opposed to the 7 greatest would work better
@@Evemeister12 You need to change your mindset a bit, I hate corruption too, but what's the real corruption here? Arbitrary rules set by and judged by the Premier League? We talk about city's 115 as if the FBI set the charges, it's the PL who will judge and execute these laws with no oversight. Our clubs have to operate within rules that are being arbitrarily made and retroactively actioned.
@@ChrisA2all rules are arbitrary, all laws were made by men. If the clubs can't have a standard that all must follow to ensure at least a little bit of competition, it doesn't make sense to call that thing a league.
Small insight on the Vlachodimos deal , Dude was actually really good for Benfica and does very good in the National Team (although he will most likely get dropped for Tzolakis a 20 year old GK wonderboy ) , when he signed for Forest he was actually supposed to be the No. 1 but apparently got dropped from training and handed in a transfer request out of fear of being traded to Olympiacos (Forest and Olympiacos share the same owner )
When Forest signed Vlachodimos from Benfica, the Benfica fans on Twitter were overjoyed, doing the old "I'll drive him there myself" style posts at the time. He legitimately played after errors by Turner and was quite simply the worst goalkeeper Forest fans have ever seen, leading to the second worse (Turner) to get the no.1 shirt back. He did not get dropped from training, he was given a chance and he got dropped for being absolutely terrible, as simple as that.
Onana from yesterday made Vlach look bad. I'm really not sure why Alfie feels sorry for a guy who earns the median annual UK income every single week without having to do anything and would probably be allowed a free to anybody his agent could convince to sign him.
He was also much more likely to start games for Everton than Villa, given that central midfield was one area where Villa were well-covered, especially after the signing of Onana.
yeah, I thought it wasn't a fully dodgy deal, it made sense for Everton to gamble on a fairly cheap, young midfielder to fill Onana's spot in the squad, given that everyone knew they had PSR issues so selling Onana for a lot and replacing him with a promising youngster for a smaller fee made perfect sense to me as a non-shady deal. And as you said he was playing at the start too
Gallagher and Mount refused to sign extensions with one year left on their contracts, and had to be sold. The Kellyman one was very blatant. However, both him and Carney have been injury prone.
They're just ran by smarter business men than the rest of the premier league. Exploit every loophole to build yourself a powerhouse squad of U23s and then get them all slammed shut before your adversaries can reap the same benefit.
In the spirit of Ryuzaki Day 4 of asking for an in-depth video on Bodø/Glimt, who just became champions for the 4th time in 5 years, and who only got promoted back to Eliteserien as recently as 2017 There's a lot of juicy details to get into here, Alfie 😎
Some idiot on HYS actually managed to say this: "United is playing against a team most fans need Google to know who they are". I'm biased since Im from Norway, but please. The only team Jose hated so much, he actually stole manager Knutsens jacket. Oh, and they're fans have the most irritating way in celebrating goals, wiggling with they're scarfs
Real, as a motorsports and football fan I always find it funny how fans point at teams exploiting loop holes like they're evil. In motorsports exploiting loopholes is just part of the game with entire teams of engineers working hours just to find ways to exploit the rules and gain "unfair" advantages.
I’m an Everton fan and of course the Dobbin-Tim swap deal was a psr loop hole but Tim has been brilliant for us. Cant say “he hasn’t played last 8 games” when he’s been injured for every one😂
He was actually bought by Chelsea from forest and was in their academy. His uncle (Nigel Doughty) was the owner at the time. The training ground is actually named after him.
I’m not going to vouch for the financial part of what I’m about to say, but the Zappacosta/ Emerson and Danilo/Cancelo swaps had at least a sporting reason: Zappacosta and Danilo, at least, were not well adjusted at their clubs and Chelsea and City did made Cancelo and Emerson a regular part of their squads for a couple of seasons
Am a Newcastle fan who fully expected we'd have to sell Isak after we didnt get european football at the end of last season. Soon as i saw this deal i knew something must be up so thanks for explaining so clearly how clubs get away with this. We need rules for sure but it's a shame for academy players that clubs are doing this kind of thing to try and game them. Hopefully we'll one day have rules that reflect their 'spirit' in their letter more closely.
That would never work, not all PL academies are equal in classification. Prior to the Newcastle takeover most of our catchment area was located off the coast, where there are not many young players and not all clubs want the expense of maintaining an academy to the required levels. All a rule like that would do is cement the existing big 6 as the best clubs even more so than the current rules as they have the best academies.
@grmthmpsn that's absolute bs - newcastle has one of the biggest catchment areas by virtue of being the only club in a large city with loads of area north and south as well. Liverpool however share their area with Everton (and tranmere) AND the 2 manchester clubs are very close (vs borough to newcastle) as well as loads of aller clubs (bolton, wigan, stoke etc etc)
Difference between “area where they are the biggest club” and “area they can legally recruit from”. There is a huge advantage for having London in your catchment area - it’s part of the reason Reading’s academy does so well - but also more competition. Coastal teams like Newcastle, Liverpool, and Portsmouth have half their potential area off the coast, whereas Forest and Derby can recruit from an entire circle. Anyway, in this day and age, catchment areas mean less because Cat A clubs can sign from a wider area at a reasonable age.
Glad someone got on this! I did the sums on these transfers last summer and semi published it for Fantasy Football content. People continue to be surprised by the greed is good league 😂
Am I missing something or does this not just kick the can down the road? The amoritised cost will still come out of the books, just over 5 years. If you keep this up for 5 years, you'd essentially expect to have a full window's worth of transfer fees amortised into year 5, no?
Basically yes... I do suppose the clubs are expecting the inflation of player prizes to keep this current model going on and being a feasible strategy allowing them basically to access future revenue as long as the the transfer fees keep on growing.
No, the money is divided per year, so if I paid 100 million for a player and gave him a 5 year contract, I actually only paid 20 million for that player that year and it goes on until the 5 years/the full amount is paid. The reason why this is an exploit even at a 5 year limit is because you can stack multiple 100 million players within one window and thus build a super team in less time without breaking any rules or going broke. Say the transfer budget was 100 million, with this "amortization" plan you can get 5 of those type of players aka 5 Bellingham quality players. Now long term this will suck, because you can't stack too many expensive players together, although we need to remember that every year clubs get a lot of money from tickets, merch, sponsors, partnerships, league finishes, Champions league progress and other revenue, that's is a mad amount of CASH. In that regard you could technically do this indefinitely, but that is obviously not realistic. Anyway, point is that "amortization" makes it easier to get players for the now, especially if they are expensive and even more especially if the selling club doesn't want to sell. Prime example was Enzo Fernandez to the mighty Blues, Benfica didn't want to sell and put a 100 million price tag on him to scare us away, but because of PSR and amortization and the way we used it by adding on another 5 years aka 10 years total, that 100 million quickly became 10 million for that year and basically every other year that his contract runs.
Additionally, the team that sold that player actually gets all of that money ready to spend immediately, in the books of course. In other words, they only get 10 million per year in actual cash, but since it's a contract, they and the entire transfer system puts all their faith in the security of that contract and thus the system allows the selling club to pay with "ghost" money. Again, we need to add on here that if the selling club buys a player, they will also be able to amortize, so that amortization ability is literally what keeps the current football market afloat, remove it and every club in the world goes bankrupt. *fixed 1 dang typo
@@Noble910 I understand how the process works fundamentally, but if you sign 100 mil of players every summer and amortise over 5 years, year 1 you're paying 20m, year 2 40m, year 3 60m, year 4 80m, year 5 100m, and this does show up in the books and limit your spending in those years. So while it's better in the now, in 3 years time your budget is limited.
Even though you talked about Cole Palmer you missed the only reason why he was sold. He was sold on the last day of transfer window, even though he did not want to leave and after spending 13 years at Manchester City (he was City player since he was 8 years old) just because clubs can sell academy graduates as full profit and since the 115 charges dropped City is extremely conscious to stay far away from even getting close to PSR breach. As far I am aware Palmer even propose that he can go on loan and get back to City after a season, but City declined telling that his wages were not really an issue, but they needed cash. Current Man City crisis shows how badly things may become if you have a short bench and that usually money spent equals success and money earn (unless you are Manchester United, off course :D), just because they had few conservative transfer Windows and the squad aged more rapidly than the higher-ups hoped so. And due to PSR if club is short on money they best "get out of jail free card" is selling club homegrown players, even if nobody wanted Cole Palmer (including Cole Palmer himself) to go.
Really agree. While watching the video I realised that Cole Palmer was an academy player & his move was pure profit. It really does show that even a club like City has to really watch where it steps and how does steps are affecting the way we are right now. Edit: thinking about it more, a lot of clubs have been doing it. Just that in this video's Alfie only focused on six clubs when it could have been more. This video would definitely had been longer.
This isn't the version of events told by Palmer or Guardiola. He wanted guarantees of playing time Pep wasn't willing to give him, he did indeed offer to go on loan but Pep gave him a stay or go ultimatum! And in very Palmer like fashion he be like "yeah alright, bye" lmao This is one City fans just have to accept they got wrong. Happens to the best clubs & managers, City wouldn't have reaped the benefits of De Bryune if we hadn't ballsed up 10 years ago.
Omari Kellyman has been injured since he joined Chelsea, would love to know how he is supposed to have got goals assists and minutes while injured. Sure paid massive money for him but that doesn't change the fact he was unavailable to play due to injury
Its murky, to say the least. Only speakin for my club, Villa. Ok, Douglas Luiz actually wanted to leave England, but part deal with Juve (but kind of not..) was Illing Jr and that Argentina guy in a 'separate deal'. Both was loaned out fast. Ramsey have constantly been rumours about, but JJ has a big star at the Holte End faithfulls. The worst one; Cam Archer was sold to Burnley, bought back when Burnley was relegated to a fixed fee, THEN sold to Saints for 5 mill more about 2-3 weeks later. I have no clue anymore to who the U21 is anymore, since they have sold all that had a future. Philogene was sold, and bought back with a 30 % next sale-clause meaning Villa got 5 mill pure profit. And when they discover that Finn Azaz is running rampant with Middlesbrough, I expect a cut price return, just like Jaden Philogene
As a Benfica fan, I'm sad for Vlachodimos who did a very good job for us for years. As a football fan I'm sad to see what are already the richest clubs I'm the world bending rules to be able to spend even more.
Everton signing Iroe might actually make the most sense here, he’s played great until he got injured and we were absolutely empty in midfield, especially before Mangala joined
Amortisation for the buying price before the deadline wouldn't be a cost of 1 year out of 3 , it would be done on day by day cost so it would be a even bigger profit on psr
They won't even have incurred the one year of cost in their 23/24 accounts. Amortisation will start on the day the asset is 'in use' - i.e. when their contract starts. So if the transfer is completed on 30th June and the accounts are for the year to 30th June, they'll record 1 day's worth of expense in those accounts (not one year's).
@@petesmart1983 yes but until the 2020s they were still one of the best african teams ,they arrived second in 2006 in a group stage that had Italy ,prime czech Republic and the USA ,they also almost made it to the semis and arrived in the AFCON final in 2015 and 2010,while now they are losing and struggling against Sudan,Niger,comoros and Mozambique
Kellyman is a very talented young player that was just breaking through to the first team & had been in the squad for a couple of seasons, Villa didn't really want to sell him,but were forced into this situation by the farce rules,any player/thing is worth what the buyer is prepared to pay, that's the way it works in reality. 🤐
I don't know about the other teams, but if it was judged on the "harsher" UEFA rules, then Villa wouldn't have needed to do these transfers. Which is why they would have passed the UEFA rules without making these swap deals, according to the owners. The current rules are punishing Villa a bit for being in a poor part of the country. A situation where a club has their most successful season in the 21st Century, with an average fee of £10m a player spent and then have to sell their best players is not indicative of "Financial Fair Play". I can't remember the last player we sold for a loss, it's not like we're pissing money up the wall like we were in 2010-16 times. I'm biased, but it doesn't feel fair for clubs to be judge on income alone, when there is such massive income inequality between different parts of the country. Villa Park is having it's lowest attendances since we were in the Championship, despite fans all being happy, because people can't afford the tickets and tourists won't come to Aston to fill the seats that regular people can't sell. So we end up with lower "match day revenue" than Fulham which is used against the PSR calculations.
While i don't disagree about anything you said, what would you like the ownership do about all this? Surely moving away from Birmingham isn't the preferred option?
@@DansBoringChannel Not really an expert about anything, probably least of all about British domestic policitics. I would be inclined to put the blame on the financial plight of Birmingham to Thacher. While it certainly may feel harsh, the situation will more likely be changed by the politiacians, rather than governing body of a sports league.
While the current system doesn't seem super fair, and I'm sure there are some compelling arguments against FFP rules altogether, I find your argument here pretty strange. Isn't the whole idea that clubs shouldn't be able to spend much more money than what they make? So if a club is making less money (for example because of low ticket sales due to relative poverty in the population) then ANY reasonable FFP system would force them to spend less, right? Your argument sounds like "we make less money on tickets, so we should be allowed to make higher losses". That's pretty much the opposite of what FFP systems are for.
@@davydbubbles7613 The issue is that the biggest most successful clubs in the premier league already have the biggest revenue streams that were established and enshrined back when they could spend whatever they wanted. This has lead to a situation where the clubs at the top are allowed to spend more than those beneath them enshrining their position at the top and further ability to generate revenue. There is no world where a club with 0 debt like Villa have their most successful season in the modern era and are then mandated to sell the players that have made us competitive so as not to breach the rules when our spend is still dramatically less than those above us. The system is made to bake in the ‘Big 6’ in perpetuity, it has nothing to do with fairness or sustainability or debt levels would be a consideration and honestly a larger one than revenue.
yeah I was impressed. I did think the fee was a bit excessive at the time, but it was the same with Gibbs-White and I think he's shown you can make a case for this kind of amount. Think Anderson is the same even without the PSRinflation
You're welcome I think there's going to have to be a review at Newcastle on how badly we stuffed that up to have to do the insane Vlachidimos deal to avoid an FFP breach
Is there any way these players could be loaned back to their boyhood clubs, presumably for the same price as the one they were essentially swapped with, and not impact the balance sheet?
Villa fans perspective here but we made the champions league and still had to sell Douglas Luiz arguably one of our best players while trying to strengthen for the champions league. If other teams needed help getting through PSR too then it shows how inadequate the system is that a CL league side has to sell and middle table teams are struggling.
Your analysis of the Aston Villa-Everton situation doesnt take into account they both play at either end of the park. Not a straight swap in anyone's imagination.
These deals are obviously dodgy but there's no real way to stop them. As a Forest fan, I can say Vlach was worth every penny of that £20m from Newcastle 😆
What is suspicious about Man City wanting to sign Cancelo and Juventus wanting to sign Danilo? Danilo is still at Juve and Cancelo was unbelievable at City and a successful deal 26:45
Keeping certain clubs afloat is paramount, especially come June 30th. Just imagine the controversy if teams were deducted points, fined and relegated. Where would that put the PL standings, what number and quality of promoted teams, how competitive would the PL remain with more than 3 newcomers? Begs the transparency: Late deals close to June 30 deadline, questionable valuation swaps, academy players or pure profit, very little playing time or no progressive development. " Reasonable benchmark valuations". Hmm.
Haven't watched the video but still feel justified in commenting that it's really unfair to use Omari as thumbnail as he has been injured since Chelsea bought him. You can't, OF COURSE, play when you are injured.
The fee is still way too high (and the injury just adds more pressure for him to come good) for someone, who has good chance of never getting a real shot at Chelsea, they have like four squads worth of players lol
@StillAwesome21 Yeah but that's just not true in December 2024, is it? Youth players aren't senior players. Kellyman will most likely play u21s until he's ready for a loan, where he'll most likely impress and leave for profit. You don't have to like it, but when your stadium seats 40k, you have to find other ways to generate revenue. It's a pretty simple concept.
To me, if a club buys a player and that player is sold before the club as paid for him , they should have to pay the full price for the player sold before adding more players
The rules around transfers should be changed so that the buying team have to report the full transfer costs (including payments to player, agents, a players parents, their pets etc) plus the timescale for those payments. It should be those figures that both the selling and buying club should reflect in their accounts. If a buying club is found to have lied about those figures then they should be punished with the ultimate punishment being that a players contract to the buying club is terminated and the player has to be resigned or can join another club for free.
I sorta get why teams sell youth players. Because theres no real incentive to keep them really other than the fact you can brag about how good your club is at giving their youth team a chance. And football club owners dont really care about that, I doubt most managers will even be that fussed. What they should do if the club has so many academy players in their team then maybe that £105 million PSR rule can be increased by so much percent to give teams a reason to keep and play their youth players. And play is a big part of it. So sorry Scott Carson you wont go towards it.
Dodgy dealings yes, but it’s the only way teams can hope to trade at anywhere near the level of the top clubs. This wouldn’t happen if PSR wasn’t so restrictive
Bit unfair on Tim Iroegbunam there Alfie... he was class if a little raw in the games he played for Everton before he got injured, a bit unfair to just say he "hasn't made the squads"
Alfie, whilst I am not going to say there isn't a whiff of convenience about our signing of Tim Iroegbunam and sale of Lewis Dobbin to Villa, you really need to look at some facts about Iroegbunam's involvement at Everton before tarring us with the same brush. Tim started the season in our side and has only missed the last 8 matchdays because he got a rather nasty injury. Indeed, he's become a very integral part of our squad, so much so that Dyche is regularly asked about his return to our squad at recent press conferences, which we are hopefully will be for the Arsenal game. I can guarantee you that once Tim is fit again, he'll be straight back in the matchday squad with a real opportunity to be starting games, especially in January when Gana will be at the Afcom.
While the joke has started with Chelsea and the insane contracts, comparing the academy graduates being sold is somewhat misleading. While there is some transfers that obviously being used to skirt around PSR rules, Chelsea for a long time viewed their academy as a revenue generation mechanism in order to sell them before they are the finished article in order to then buy known quantities for the 1st team, whereas Arsenal would view their academy as a way to develop their future 1st team players and prefer to spend heavily on home grown talent rather than spend £50-60 mil on a 1st team player. Since the new ownership Chelsea seem to have changed their approach to player development, they now seem to want to buy lots of 18-21 year olds with somewhat known potential with the hope that 4 or 5 of them hit. They know they can generate decent loan revenue on them while they develop, those that don't pan out will still get sold for somewhat near the fees paid simply due to the market inflation & if they make a loss on them that is just a risk they take & is worth it to help balance the books
As a motorsports and football fan I just find it funny when football fans point at clubs exploiting loopholes like they're the devil. In motorsports exploiting loopholes is part of the game. Teams hire engineers to spend hours clawing through regulations to find holes to exploit to gain extra performance. Cheating exists and has been part of every level of motorsports since it's inspection.
I hope you answer this, but I wanna make a request. I would like you to make a video about Botafogo (Brazil team) I’ve noticed that many Ex MLS players were sent there, plus with some Ex European players there. And at the same time, they’ve made mergers with American soccer groups, and all of a sudden they’re top of Brazil Serie A and just won Copa Libertadores and qualify for the club World Cup this December. For me they came out of now where, especially knowing what the big teams in Brazil are and these weren’t one of them, so a video of you explaining to us of their rise is a MUST NEEDED. Please
Genuinely would think the watch time is quite high. There used to be a lot less shorter form videos and now they’re all hitting 30+ mins. The fanbase including you and I both all seem to love the longer vids
In fairness, the fact that PSR doesn't have a inflation cause during record high inflation it seem justifiable to game the system. Villa have no debt, requested a rise inline with inflation and was declined. Morally i see no issue with that.
It’s why I was glad to see the back of Dan Ashworth since he was the muppet who put us in this situation. We sold Maxi (a player much loved by the fans despite his flaws) to sign Harvey Barnes for £35m simply because the club didn’t trust Gordon who we signed for £45m 6 months earlier. So now we have two left wingers worth £80m when we desperately need a RW. Selling both Anderson & Miniteh I wasn’t bothered about because I simply didn’t rate them and I think because our academy has been so poor in the last 30 years anyone who can kick a ball is deemed promising. It’s why I much prefer Mitchell despite our deluded fans complaining, since he’s come in he’s signed a significant amount of youngsters for cheap fees which unless they can’t kick a ball will generate profit. Getting 4th was probably the worst thing that could have happened because it was far too early. Conference or Europa would have been much better suited in building the club up in a stable manor
Could not agree more. I was more upset about Anderson than Minteh as one is a local lad / boyhood fan. But it's still a business and I see Miley as much more promising in staying in the first team when fit than Anderson.
@@anthonysmurthwaite6258 how do we know he’s better? Because he was good for Feyenoord? He spends most of his time on Brighton’s bench. I was upset at Anderson leaving but only because he was a local lad
Sounds like a cope to me mate, I was fuming that we had to sell two of our most promising youngster's, Minteh was the worst cos he was one of the hottest properties in Europe after he tore it up at Feynoord last season, and he's a right winger where we keep saying needed to strengthening up. Both have been fantastic since their moves aswell
In fairness, Tim Alphabet has actually played a decent amount of first-team football for Everton, and was genuinely looking like one of our best midfielders before the injury. Obviously the jury's still out as to whether or not he'll still have a place in the squad once he's recovered from said injury, but the transfer does appear to be a bit more than just a PSR convenience move. While 9 million does seem to be a little steep for Lewis Dobbin, he showed plenty of glimpses of genuine talent last season (I was actually quite disappointed when he left), and I believe he could be a good long-term investment for Villa.
How is this any different from any other accounting gymnastics in any other field? Finding loop holes and grey areas is what good corp accountants are paid for. Shell companies and the like are not new nor limited to football. Unethical, perhaps, that’s subjective. But not against the rules as is/was. “But that’s not how you are supposed to do it!” Isn’t going to fly in any boardroom, anywhere…
just got to 5:15 on the video...oh Alfie, alfie, alfie...make sure your research is correct before you undermine your (very valid) point. Tim Irgburuoughouhtuughhest, yes i think thats hoe its spelt) hasnt made Evertons last 7 match day line ups.... he was doing very well but he got injured mate. once again, not saying he wasnt a dodgey deal..he was....but he has been playing, hes very good and was taking his chance
Omari Kellyman is class. One of best in his age group. Absolute prospect. Villa didn't want to lose him. We didn't want carney to go either the guy is a baller.
You talk about “value” being hard to quantify in football. But objectively the Vladochimos transfer is just totally unjustified. And he is potentially a victim here. 😔 this is soooo bad!!
Everton have been playing Tim Irg.....blaughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh up untill he got injured...not saying he isnt a dodgy deal, just that everton seem to have gotten an actuall baller out of the deal
Unfathomably rich clubs whining about being victims of not being able to overspend their means even further than allowed by rules introduced to prevent dodgy owners from making small clubs go bust. It just goes to show how far out of touch the Premier League is with the entire sport of football
We upgraded on Gallagher, robbed united for Mason Mount and arsenal for Havertz. Sorry for setting good business standards for the league yet again 🤷♂️
Somebody suggested a very interesting video idea of 7 greatest assistant managers. Although Im not quite sure how the "goodness" of assistant managers can be quantified ?? 🤔
We’re blaming clubs but it’s the ridiculous system that needs scrapping. It’s only designed to allow other leagues to catch up with the prem and we took the knee
Tim Iroegbunam for 9 mil after the sale of Onana makes perfect sense. He has only been out of the match day squad because he is injured and was the best player for the first 4 games of the season. Dobbin to Villa not so much, its actaully a rare example of everton getting the better end of a deal. But I take the point neither would have happened if it wasn't for PSR.
Amusing that you show Brighton when stating that clubs without oligarchs or nation states need strong rules to be able to compete. Their gambling-rich owner pumped over half-a-billion into Brighton. Not sure that’s all that different to oligarchs and nation states.
Just shows that PSR is an absolute mess, clubs are just going to do whatever they want to avoid these rules that aren't fit for purpose. Either PSR is scrapped, or all the clubs are looked into these suspected 'deals' Newcastle fan, but its an absolute farce, we had to sell one of our 'rated' younsters to avoid these rules, other clubs having to sell younsters who could become great for their home club have to leave.
You are wrong about Tim. He never looked right at Villa, and this season we have Kamara, Onana and Barkley who would be ahead of him, plus even Bogarde who has looked better. We didn't need Tim, so why not strike a PSR deal.
Slapping a price of 9m pounds on Dobbin is all the evidence needed that these were dodgy dealings. I know he's young but he's miles out of his depth even at Champ level.
He couldn't even dislodge our League 1 front 2 which included a 35 & 32 duo of Mcgoldrick & James Collins. Hell he had the same number of goals as Osula who was recalled in January.
He did show some genuine talent last season though, and I was actually quite disappointed when we sold him. While he may look out of his depth at the moment, I think he could be a genuine baller given a few more years of development, and could prove to be a good long-term investment for Villa.
It’s not dodgy though is it both clubs agreed it is completely fair. Both Villa and Everton have every right to find some way exploit a system that is basically designed to stop any of the already established ‘top 6’ progressing.
The most obvious one for me is omari kellyman to chelsea for £19m. £19m.
@@GuitarJammerJohn 'To exploit the system', in other words it's dodgy. The same way that selling the stadium to the owner to exploit FFP is dodgy, as Sheffield Wednesday and Villa did in the past. Villa in particular are very good at finding loopholes that mean they don't have to generate revenue through sustainable means.
Alfie please could we get a video on the 7 greatest assistant managers of all time?
Out of curiosity, but how could you measure the impact of an assistant coach? Are you judging their success off of what they win as an assistant or off of what they win as head coaches?
@@BaldinosalvadorIf its assistant coaches it would either be their impact or what they won as assistants. Like Phelan at United would be a good example
@@Baldinosalvador I have absolutely zero clue what specific grounds you’d assess this on as certain assistant managers have much greater impacts on teams eg. Beale and Gerrard at rangers. However, I’m sure he could work out a way to rank them, perhaps a list of 7 of the greatest as opposed to the 7 greatest would work better
Why
Greatest assistant managers who were terrible managers would also be cool
The abomination that has become of our good old football is really unfathomable
The prem ruined football
The beauty of unchecked capitalism. A sport for the working class taken over by the wealthy elite and dictators
Corruption has always existed in football. The only difference between past and present is the scale of money involved.
@@Evemeister12 You need to change your mindset a bit, I hate corruption too, but what's the real corruption here? Arbitrary rules set by and judged by the Premier League? We talk about city's 115 as if the FBI set the charges, it's the PL who will judge and execute these laws with no oversight. Our clubs have to operate within rules that are being arbitrarily made and retroactively actioned.
@@ChrisA2all rules are arbitrary, all laws were made by men. If the clubs can't have a standard that all must follow to ensure at least a little bit of competition, it doesn't make sense to call that thing a league.
Just a tiny tidbit, but Omari Kellyman (pictured in the thumbnail) has been injured since he joined. Not that I disagree he’s a PSR signing
And on top of that Chelsea has a ridiculous amount of talent in the area he plays.
Small insight on the Vlachodimos deal , Dude was actually really good for Benfica and does very good in the National Team (although he will most likely get dropped for Tzolakis a 20 year old GK wonderboy ) , when he signed for Forest he was actually supposed to be the No. 1 but apparently got dropped from training and handed in a transfer request out of fear of being traded to Olympiacos (Forest and Olympiacos share the same owner )
Didn’t he go from Olympiacos to Benfica?
@@callumalston5755 Panathinaikos
Panathanaikos
When Forest signed Vlachodimos from Benfica, the Benfica fans on Twitter were overjoyed, doing the old "I'll drive him there myself" style posts at the time. He legitimately played after errors by Turner and was quite simply the worst goalkeeper Forest fans have ever seen, leading to the second worse (Turner) to get the no.1 shirt back. He did not get dropped from training, he was given a chance and he got dropped for being absolutely terrible, as simple as that.
Onana from yesterday made Vlach look bad. I'm really not sure why Alfie feels sorry for a guy who earns the median annual UK income every single week without having to do anything and would probably be allowed a free to anybody his agent could convince to sign him.
Tbf Iroegbunam was getting decent playing time until he got injured
He was also much more likely to start games for Everton than Villa, given that central midfield was one area where Villa were well-covered, especially after the signing of Onana.
Prefer paracetamol myself
yeah, I thought it wasn't a fully dodgy deal, it made sense for Everton to gamble on a fairly cheap, young midfielder to fill Onana's spot in the squad, given that everyone knew they had PSR issues so selling Onana for a lot and replacing him with a promising youngster for a smaller fee made perfect sense to me as a non-shady deal. And as you said he was playing at the start too
iregbunam to everton made perfect sense, dobbin to villa is the wierd one
Iroeghbunam was great for Everton before his injury. Everton also needed a midfielder.
Gallagher and Mount refused to sign extensions with one year left on their contracts, and had to be sold. The Kellyman one was very blatant. However, both him and Carney have been injury prone.
carney is an absolute baller
Carney is going to AC Milan as well
My theory is that City isn't getting punished for financial doping because every club is dodgy and they are scared to set a precedent
Different issues but possibly linked nonetheless.
They have money for bribes etc
A big punishment for City would also undermine the credibility of the league as a whole
This is definitely not impossible.
no they're terrified of pissing off Citeh's owners
This is why I prefer the football in the fourth tier of Denmark.
The greatest comment I’ve seen today
I actually got the reference. Recent Zealandism video, right? Very funny 😂
Also find it hilarous that no mention of chelsea selling a hotel to themselves
and they sell Diego Moreira to Strasbourg a club also owned by BlueCo.
They're just ran by smarter business men than the rest of the premier league. Exploit every loophole to build yourself a powerhouse squad of U23s and then get them all slammed shut before your adversaries can reap the same benefit.
@@johndroos9486 he's been one of Strasbourg's best players this season.
Ireogbunam's injured Alfie that's why he's not made the last 8 squads
Here for the Adu slander as per
In the spirit of Ryuzaki
Day 4 of asking for an in-depth video on Bodø/Glimt, who just became champions for the 4th time in 5 years, and who only got promoted back to Eliteserien as recently as 2017
There's a lot of juicy details to get into here, Alfie 😎
Beat Roma 5-1 i remember watching it on TV since then I've always followed Bodø ❤
@@jamesblake44 6-1
@T.E.S.S. sorry I need to proofread more often 😅
Some idiot on HYS actually managed to say this: "United is playing against a team most fans need Google to know who they are". I'm biased since Im from Norway, but please.
The only team Jose hated so much, he actually stole manager Knutsens jacket. Oh, and they're fans have the most irritating way in celebrating goals, wiggling with they're scarfs
To quote an old NASCAR saying that definitely applies to PSR: If you ain’t cheating you ain’t trying
Real, as a motorsports and football fan I always find it funny how fans point at teams exploiting loop holes like they're evil.
In motorsports exploiting loopholes is just part of the game with entire teams of engineers working hours just to find ways to exploit the rules and gain "unfair" advantages.
I’m an Everton fan and of course the Dobbin-Tim swap deal was a psr loop hole but Tim has been brilliant for us. Cant say “he hasn’t played last 8 games” when he’s been injured for every one😂
Where there is money there is corruption. What a murky horrible business football is.
Cracking research not knowing Tim is injured.
Why don't they rename the Premier League the Creative Accountancy League?
Football feels more like a stocks and shares market than a sport.
Again, I love Alfie and all his videos 😊😊
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12:38 This is my first time learning that Patrick Bamford was a Chelsea academy graduate. For some reason I assumed he started off at Leeds.
He was actually bought by Chelsea from forest and was in their academy. His uncle (Nigel Doughty) was the owner at the time. The training ground is actually named after him.
Premier league this, Premier league that, how about you make a video about the Cymru premier
I’m not going to vouch for the financial part of what I’m about to say, but the Zappacosta/ Emerson and Danilo/Cancelo swaps had at least a sporting reason: Zappacosta and Danilo, at least, were not well adjusted at their clubs and Chelsea and City did made Cancelo and Emerson a regular part of their squads for a couple of seasons
Am a Newcastle fan who fully expected we'd have to sell Isak after we didnt get european football at the end of last season. Soon as i saw this deal i knew something must be up so thanks for explaining so clearly how clubs get away with this.
We need rules for sure but it's a shame for academy players that clubs are doing this kind of thing to try and game them. Hopefully we'll one day have rules that reflect their 'spirit' in their letter more closely.
I’d like to see an academy quota like the home grown player quota be implemented
That would never work, not all PL academies are equal in classification. Prior to the Newcastle takeover most of our catchment area was located off the coast, where there are not many young players and not all clubs want the expense of maintaining an academy to the required levels. All a rule like that would do is cement the existing big 6 as the best clubs even more so than the current rules as they have the best academies.
@grmthmpsn that's absolute bs - newcastle has one of the biggest catchment areas by virtue of being the only club in a large city with loads of area north and south as well. Liverpool however share their area with Everton (and tranmere) AND the 2 manchester clubs are very close (vs borough to newcastle) as well as loads of aller clubs (bolton, wigan, stoke etc etc)
Difference between “area where they are the biggest club” and “area they can legally recruit from”.
There is a huge advantage for having London in your catchment area - it’s part of the reason Reading’s academy does so well - but also more competition. Coastal teams like Newcastle, Liverpool, and Portsmouth have half their potential area off the coast, whereas Forest and Derby can recruit from an entire circle. Anyway, in this day and age, catchment areas mean less because Cat A clubs can sign from a wider area at a reasonable age.
Glad someone got on this! I did the sums on these transfers last summer and semi published it for Fantasy Football content. People continue to be surprised by the greed is good league 😂
Am I missing something or does this not just kick the can down the road? The amoritised cost will still come out of the books, just over 5 years. If you keep this up for 5 years, you'd essentially expect to have a full window's worth of transfer fees amortised into year 5, no?
Basically yes... I do suppose the clubs are expecting the inflation of player prizes to keep this current model going on and being a feasible strategy allowing them basically to access future revenue as long as the the transfer fees keep on growing.
No, the money is divided per year, so if I paid 100 million for a player and gave him a 5 year contract, I actually only paid 20 million for that player that year and it goes on until the 5 years/the full amount is paid. The reason why this is an exploit even at a 5 year limit is because you can stack multiple 100 million players within one window and thus build a super team in less time without breaking any rules or going broke. Say the transfer budget was 100 million, with this "amortization" plan you can get 5 of those type of players aka 5 Bellingham quality players. Now long term this will suck, because you can't stack too many expensive players together, although we need to remember that every year clubs get a lot of money from tickets, merch, sponsors, partnerships, league finishes, Champions league progress and other revenue, that's is a mad amount of CASH. In that regard you could technically do this indefinitely, but that is obviously not realistic.
Anyway, point is that "amortization" makes it easier to get players for the now, especially if they are expensive and even more especially if the selling club doesn't want to sell. Prime example was Enzo Fernandez to the mighty Blues, Benfica didn't want to sell and put a 100 million price tag on him to scare us away, but because of PSR and amortization and the way we used it by adding on another 5 years aka 10 years total, that 100 million quickly became 10 million for that year and basically every other year that his contract runs.
Additionally, the team that sold that player actually gets all of that money ready to spend immediately, in the books of course. In other words, they only get 10 million per year in actual cash, but since it's a contract, they and the entire transfer system puts all their faith in the security of that contract and thus the system allows the selling club to pay with "ghost" money. Again, we need to add on here that if the selling club buys a player, they will also be able to amortize, so that amortization ability is literally what keeps the current football market afloat, remove it and every club in the world goes bankrupt.
*fixed 1 dang typo
@@Noble910 I understand how the process works fundamentally, but if you sign 100 mil of players every summer and amortise over 5 years, year 1 you're paying 20m, year 2 40m, year 3 60m, year 4 80m, year 5 100m, and this does show up in the books and limit your spending in those years. So while it's better in the now, in 3 years time your budget is limited.
1:46 Alfie: "What could possibly go wrong?"
Bubsy the Bobcat: "Hey, that's my catchphrase!"
Ah, a man of culture I see
@@guguy00 Thank you.
Iroegbunam has a long term injury layoff. He was starting matches and playing well prior to his injury.
Even though you talked about Cole Palmer you missed the only reason why he was sold. He was sold on the last day of transfer window, even though he did not want to leave and after spending 13 years at Manchester City (he was City player since he was 8 years old) just because clubs can sell academy graduates as full profit and since the 115 charges dropped City is extremely conscious to stay far away from even getting close to PSR breach. As far I am aware Palmer even propose that he can go on loan and get back to City after a season, but City declined telling that his wages were not really an issue, but they needed cash.
Current Man City crisis shows how badly things may become if you have a short bench and that usually money spent equals success and money earn (unless you are Manchester United, off course :D), just because they had few conservative transfer Windows and the squad aged more rapidly than the higher-ups hoped so. And due to PSR if club is short on money they best "get out of jail free card" is selling club homegrown players, even if nobody wanted Cole Palmer (including Cole Palmer himself) to go.
Really agree.
While watching the video I realised that Cole Palmer was an academy player & his move was pure profit. It really does show that even a club like City has to really watch where it steps and how does steps are affecting the way we are right now.
Edit: thinking about it more, a lot of clubs have been doing it. Just that in this video's Alfie only focused on six clubs when it could have been more. This video would definitely had been longer.
No, he left to play.
This isn't the version of events told by Palmer or Guardiola. He wanted guarantees of playing time Pep wasn't willing to give him, he did indeed offer to go on loan but Pep gave him a stay or go ultimatum! And in very Palmer like fashion he be like "yeah alright, bye" lmao
This is one City fans just have to accept they got wrong. Happens to the best clubs & managers, City wouldn't have reaped the benefits of De Bryune if we hadn't ballsed up 10 years ago.
conservative transfer window means spending 200m/year instead of 500m/year
are you listening to yourself?
@@Freestyle80 Conservative I would say that club earn more on selling than then bought.
Day 6 of asking Alfie to make another "Sorry, we need to talk about Hull City" video
We just had one just the other day
@@FisherAthleticFanAnd they hired a new manager, if anything a 15 minute or 10 update video. Maybe even on his alfie potts harmer channel
@@n0body550you obviously know about it. Why do you need a video ?
@@n0body550 Let's see how well the manager does first, if Hull's form doesn't improve, we'll get one by March or April.
Multi club ownership models shouldn’t be allowed to sell to each others clubs. It just smells of money laundering with extra steps lol.
Omari Kellyman has been injured since he joined Chelsea, would love to know how he is supposed to have got goals assists and minutes while injured. Sure paid massive money for him but that doesn't change the fact he was unavailable to play due to injury
Its murky, to say the least. Only speakin for my club, Villa. Ok, Douglas Luiz actually wanted to leave England, but part deal with Juve (but kind of not..) was Illing Jr and that Argentina guy in a 'separate deal'. Both was loaned out fast. Ramsey have constantly been rumours about, but JJ has a big star at the Holte End faithfulls. The worst one; Cam Archer was sold to Burnley, bought back when Burnley was relegated to a fixed fee, THEN sold to Saints for 5 mill more about 2-3 weeks later.
I have no clue anymore to who the U21 is anymore, since they have sold all that had a future. Philogene was sold, and bought back with a 30 % next sale-clause meaning Villa got 5 mill pure profit.
And when they discover that Finn Azaz is running rampant with Middlesbrough, I expect a cut price return, just like Jaden Philogene
The purpose of a system is what it does.
Top-flight Football needs a reboot. All these snidey deals to sidestep regulations. I'm glad to support a lower league team.
We still need that AS Roma video alfie❤❤brilliant video as always
As a Benfica fan, I'm sad for Vlachodimos who did a very good job for us for years.
As a football fan I'm sad to see what are already the richest clubs I'm the world bending rules to be able to spend even more.
Everton signing Iroe might actually make the most sense here, he’s played great until he got injured and we were absolutely empty in midfield, especially before Mangala joined
we only sold Connor coz he had a year left on his contract and turned down 3 contract offers and Mount wanted to leave
Amortisation for the buying price before the deadline wouldn't be a cost of 1 year out of 3 , it would be done on day by day cost so it would be a even bigger profit on psr
For the teams involved in the swapping players for psr reasons
They won't even have incurred the one year of cost in their 23/24 accounts. Amortisation will start on the day the asset is 'in use' - i.e. when their contract starts. So if the transfer is completed on 30th June and the accounts are for the year to 30th June, they'll record 1 day's worth of expense in those accounts (not one year's).
(unless amortisation is treated differently in football to other industries, it may be)
Can you please make a video on Ghana's downfall 🙏🏽 especially now that they're out of the AFCON(Day 20)
Ghana haven't won anything since 1982 unless you class west African cup(which is like a 4 team cup not FIFA recognised)🤔 not much of a downfall
@@petesmart1983 yes but until the 2020s they were still one of the best african teams ,they arrived second in 2006 in a group stage that had Italy ,prime czech Republic and the USA ,they also almost made it to the semis and arrived in the AFCON final in 2015 and 2010,while now they are losing and struggling against Sudan,Niger,comoros and Mozambique
@@petesmart1983 While now they are losing and struggling against Sudan,Niger,comoros and Mozambique
While now they are losing and struggling against Sudan,Niger,comoros and Mozambique@@petesmart1983
@@petesmart1983While now they are losing and struggling against Sudan,Niger,comoros and Mozambique.
13:01 its true for Chel to sell Corrno. now they have a depth squad with lots of choices with same form and level
Kellyman is a very talented young player that was just breaking through to the first team & had been in the squad for a couple of seasons, Villa didn't really want to sell him,but were forced into this situation by the farce rules,any player/thing is worth what the buyer is prepared to pay, that's the way it works in reality. 🤐
Kellyman is the next Messi, just you wait
Alfie about time you started thinking about making a video on Enzo Maresca
I don't know about the other teams, but if it was judged on the "harsher" UEFA rules, then Villa wouldn't have needed to do these transfers. Which is why they would have passed the UEFA rules without making these swap deals, according to the owners. The current rules are punishing Villa a bit for being in a poor part of the country. A situation where a club has their most successful season in the 21st Century, with an average fee of £10m a player spent and then have to sell their best players is not indicative of "Financial Fair Play". I can't remember the last player we sold for a loss, it's not like we're pissing money up the wall like we were in 2010-16 times. I'm biased, but it doesn't feel fair for clubs to be judge on income alone, when there is such massive income inequality between different parts of the country. Villa Park is having it's lowest attendances since we were in the Championship, despite fans all being happy, because people can't afford the tickets and tourists won't come to Aston to fill the seats that regular people can't sell. So we end up with lower "match day revenue" than Fulham which is used against the PSR calculations.
While i don't disagree about anything you said, what would you like the ownership do about all this? Surely moving away from Birmingham isn't the preferred option?
@@konzza Of course not. But the point is, the Premier League PSR rules shouldn't mandate high ticket prices.
@@DansBoringChannel Not really an expert about anything, probably least of all about British domestic policitics. I would be inclined to put the blame on the financial plight of Birmingham to Thacher.
While it certainly may feel harsh, the situation will more likely be changed by the politiacians, rather than governing body of a sports league.
While the current system doesn't seem super fair, and I'm sure there are some compelling arguments against FFP rules altogether, I find your argument here pretty strange. Isn't the whole idea that clubs shouldn't be able to spend much more money than what they make? So if a club is making less money (for example because of low ticket sales due to relative poverty in the population) then ANY reasonable FFP system would force them to spend less, right? Your argument sounds like "we make less money on tickets, so we should be allowed to make higher losses". That's pretty much the opposite of what FFP systems are for.
@@davydbubbles7613 The issue is that the biggest most successful clubs in the premier league already have the biggest revenue streams that were established and enshrined back when they could spend whatever they wanted. This has lead to a situation where the clubs at the top are allowed to spend more than those beneath them enshrining their position at the top and further ability to generate revenue. There is no world where a club with 0 debt like Villa have their most successful season in the modern era and are then mandated to sell the players that have made us competitive so as not to breach the rules when our spend is still dramatically less than those above us. The system is made to bake in the ‘Big 6’ in perpetuity, it has nothing to do with fairness or sustainability or debt levels would be a consideration and honestly a larger one than revenue.
You explain this very well, although I don't think anybody doesn't understand why it was done?
As a Forest fan. Anderson has been one of my favourite signings.
Money well spent by us 😂
yeah I was impressed. I did think the fee was a bit excessive at the time, but it was the same with Gibbs-White and I think he's shown you can make a case for this kind of amount. Think Anderson is the same even without the PSRinflation
You're welcome
I think there's going to have to be a review at Newcastle on how badly we stuffed that up to have to do the insane Vlachidimos deal to avoid an FFP breach
@@chlcrk yeah forest had Newcastle by the bollocks for that transfer. Anderson will be an England regular in the next season I think.
@@maciejbala477 long term investment isn’t it. We paid £25M plus £8M of guaranteed add ons.
In form, he’s worth double that
@@chlcrkone word - Howe. More specifically he is crappie, cost you a place in Europe by being crap. And therefore your income dropped by a load
Is there any way these players could be loaned back to their boyhood clubs, presumably for the same price as the one they were essentially swapped with, and not impact the balance sheet?
Villa fans perspective here but we made the champions league and still had to sell Douglas Luiz arguably one of our best players while trying to strengthen for the champions league.
If other teams needed help getting through PSR too then it shows how inadequate the system is that a CL league side has to sell and middle table teams are struggling.
Brilliant video, explained well and with enough sarcasm to make entertaining. Nice job
Marc Guehi is such a legend!!! do a video on him! We need more legends like him to stand up!!
Your analysis of the Aston Villa-Everton situation doesnt take into account they both play at either end of the park. Not a straight swap in anyone's imagination.
These deals are obviously dodgy but there's no real way to stop them. As a Forest fan, I can say Vlach was worth every penny of that £20m from Newcastle 😆
I am a West Brom fan. Dobbin is terrible. Pure money laundering.
Also Iroegbunam came from our academy, not villas which alfie kept saying
What is suspicious about Man City wanting to sign Cancelo and Juventus wanting to sign Danilo? Danilo is still at Juve and Cancelo was unbelievable at City and a successful deal 26:45
Keeping certain clubs afloat is paramount, especially come June 30th. Just imagine the controversy if teams were deducted points, fined and relegated. Where would that put the PL standings, what number and quality of promoted teams, how competitive would the PL remain with more than 3 newcomers?
Begs the transparency: Late deals close to June 30 deadline, questionable valuation swaps, academy players or pure profit, very little playing time or no progressive development. " Reasonable benchmark valuations". Hmm.
Worked for Forest
Haven't watched the video but still feel justified in commenting that it's really unfair to use Omari as thumbnail as he has been injured since Chelsea bought him. You can't, OF COURSE, play when you are injured.
He hates Chelsea. There's never context added when it comes to that club.
The fee is still way too high (and the injury just adds more pressure for him to come good) for someone, who has good chance of never getting a real shot at Chelsea, they have like four squads worth of players lol
@StillAwesome21 Yeah but that's just not true in December 2024, is it? Youth players aren't senior players.
Kellyman will most likely play u21s until he's ready for a loan, where he'll most likely impress and leave for profit. You don't have to like it, but when your stadium seats 40k, you have to find other ways to generate revenue. It's a pretty simple concept.
Like it or not, the main issue is all the restrictions and regulations, which are not even applied equally to all teams
0:58 love the voicecrack 😭
I rated Palmer before Chelsea but I didn’t expect him to explode the way he did
Very interesting video Alfie!
To me, if a club buys a player and that player is sold before the club as paid for him , they should have to pay the full price for the player sold before adding more players
The rules around transfers should be changed so that the buying team have to report the full transfer costs (including payments to player, agents, a players parents, their pets etc) plus the timescale for those payments. It should be those figures that both the selling and buying club should reflect in their accounts. If a buying club is found to have lied about those figures then they should be punished with the ultimate punishment being that a players contract to the buying club is terminated and the player has to be resigned or can join another club for free.
I sorta get why teams sell youth players. Because theres no real incentive to keep them really other than the fact you can brag about how good your club is at giving their youth team a chance. And football club owners dont really care about that, I doubt most managers will even be that fussed. What they should do if the club has so many academy players in their team then maybe that £105 million PSR rule can be increased by so much percent to give teams a reason to keep and play their youth players. And play is a big part of it. So sorry Scott Carson you wont go towards it.
Dodgy dealings yes, but it’s the only way teams can hope to trade at anywhere near the level of the top clubs. This wouldn’t happen if PSR wasn’t so restrictive
Bit unfair on Tim Iroegbunam there Alfie... he was class if a little raw in the games he played for Everton before he got injured, a bit unfair to just say he "hasn't made the squads"
How dare these clubs try to find an edge over their rivals. They should be totally complacent and ignore all the flaws in the rules.
Alfie, whilst I am not going to say there isn't a whiff of convenience about our signing of Tim Iroegbunam and sale of Lewis Dobbin to Villa, you really need to look at some facts about Iroegbunam's involvement at Everton before tarring us with the same brush. Tim started the season in our side and has only missed the last 8 matchdays because he got a rather nasty injury. Indeed, he's become a very integral part of our squad, so much so that Dyche is regularly asked about his return to our squad at recent press conferences, which we are hopefully will be for the Arsenal game. I can guarantee you that once Tim is fit again, he'll be straight back in the matchday squad with a real opportunity to be starting games, especially in January when Gana will be at the Afcom.
While the joke has started with Chelsea and the insane contracts, comparing the academy graduates being sold is somewhat misleading. While there is some transfers that obviously being used to skirt around PSR rules, Chelsea for a long time viewed their academy as a revenue generation mechanism in order to sell them before they are the finished article in order to then buy known quantities for the 1st team, whereas Arsenal would view their academy as a way to develop their future 1st team players and prefer to spend heavily on home grown talent rather than spend £50-60 mil on a 1st team player.
Since the new ownership Chelsea seem to have changed their approach to player development, they now seem to want to buy lots of 18-21 year olds with somewhat known potential with the hope that 4 or 5 of them hit. They know they can generate decent loan revenue on them while they develop, those that don't pan out will still get sold for somewhat near the fees paid simply due to the market inflation & if they make a loss on them that is just a risk they take & is worth it to help balance the books
How do i get a job of being a £19m player to just be a rook in a chess game and you'll never need me to play.
Cos I'm down
respect rooks
As a motorsports and football fan I just find it funny when football fans point at clubs exploiting loopholes like they're the devil.
In motorsports exploiting loopholes is part of the game. Teams hire engineers to spend hours clawing through regulations to find holes to exploit to gain extra performance. Cheating exists and has been part of every level of motorsports since it's inspection.
I hope you answer this, but I wanna make a request. I would like you to make a video about Botafogo (Brazil team) I’ve noticed that many Ex MLS players were sent there, plus with some Ex European players there. And at the same time, they’ve made mergers with American soccer groups, and all of a sudden they’re top of Brazil Serie A and just won Copa Libertadores and qualify for the club World Cup this December. For me they came out of now where, especially knowing what the big teams in Brazil are and these weren’t one of them, so a video of you explaining to us of their rise is a MUST NEEDED. Please
The only problem with the video is that you stopped at 6 clubs
The problem here is the nonsensical rules which only actually serve to help the biggest richest clubs anyway.
Alfie, could you tell me whats your average video watch time. Just wanted to check, is it very few who watches the full video like i do.
Genuinely would think the watch time is quite high.
There used to be a lot less shorter form videos and now they’re all hitting 30+ mins.
The fanbase including you and I both all seem to love the longer vids
i watch his videos all the way thro
In fairness, the fact that PSR doesn't have a inflation cause during record high inflation it seem justifiable to game the system. Villa have no debt, requested a rise inline with inflation and was declined. Morally i see no issue with that.
Iroebunan wasn't an academy player, he signed from WBA at 17
Alfie, can we get your top 7 Bob Dylan songs, please? Maybe for an april fools video or for the next subscriber special q&a
A real eye-opener, sir.
@KidCudi72 Polite.
It would make a lot more sense for these owners to instead bribe Kier Starmer & Rachel Reeves to abolish FFP/PSR Rules in English Football.
It’s why I was glad to see the back of Dan Ashworth since he was the muppet who put us in this situation. We sold Maxi (a player much loved by the fans despite his flaws) to sign Harvey Barnes for £35m simply because the club didn’t trust Gordon who we signed for £45m 6 months earlier. So now we have two left wingers worth £80m when we desperately need a RW.
Selling both Anderson & Miniteh I wasn’t bothered about because I simply didn’t rate them and I think because our academy has been so poor in the last 30 years anyone who can kick a ball is deemed promising.
It’s why I much prefer Mitchell despite our deluded fans complaining, since he’s come in he’s signed a significant amount of youngsters for cheap fees which unless they can’t kick a ball will generate profit. Getting 4th was probably the worst thing that could have happened because it was far too early. Conference or Europa would have been much better suited in building the club up in a stable manor
Could not agree more. I was more upset about Anderson than Minteh as one is a local lad / boyhood fan. But it's still a business and I see Miley as much more promising in staying in the first team when fit than Anderson.
Minteh is better than Murphy or Almiron, I was less upset about Anderson because I think he's injury prone even though I do rate him
As a fellow Toon fan i 100% agree with this
@@anthonysmurthwaite6258 how do we know he’s better? Because he was good for Feyenoord? He spends most of his time on Brighton’s bench. I was upset at Anderson leaving but only because he was a local lad
Sounds like a cope to me mate, I was fuming that we had to sell two of our most promising youngster's,
Minteh was the worst cos he was one of the hottest properties in Europe after he tore it up at Feynoord last season, and he's a right winger where we keep saying needed to strengthening up.
Both have been fantastic since their moves aswell
In fairness, Tim Alphabet has actually played a decent amount of first-team football for Everton, and was genuinely looking like one of our best midfielders before the injury.
Obviously the jury's still out as to whether or not he'll still have a place in the squad once he's recovered from said injury, but the transfer does appear to be a bit more than just a PSR convenience move.
While 9 million does seem to be a little steep for Lewis Dobbin, he showed plenty of glimpses of genuine talent last season (I was actually quite disappointed when he left), and I believe he could be a good long-term investment for Villa.
How is this any different from any other accounting gymnastics in any other field? Finding loop holes and grey areas is what good corp accountants are paid for. Shell companies and the like are not new nor limited to football. Unethical, perhaps, that’s subjective. But not against the rules as is/was.
“But that’s not how you are supposed to do it!” Isn’t going to fly in any boardroom, anywhere…
just got to 5:15 on the video...oh Alfie, alfie, alfie...make sure your research is correct before you undermine your (very valid) point. Tim Irgburuoughouhtuughhest, yes i think thats hoe its spelt) hasnt made Evertons last 7 match day line ups.... he was doing very well but he got injured mate. once again, not saying he wasnt a dodgey deal..he was....but he has been playing, hes very good and was taking his chance
Omari Kellyman is class. One of best in his age group. Absolute prospect. Villa didn't want to lose him. We didn't want carney to go either the guy is a baller.
I have no clue why we would play kellyman
You talk about “value” being hard to quantify in football. But objectively the Vladochimos transfer is just totally unjustified. And he is potentially a victim here. 😔 this is soooo bad!!
Refs, VAR, Court cases, Charges, Selling hotels to own self
What has football become man ?
Everton have been playing Tim Irg.....blaughhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh up untill he got injured...not saying he isnt a dodgy deal, just that everton seem to have gotten an actuall baller out of the deal
Unfathomably rich clubs whining about being victims of not being able to overspend their means even further than allowed by rules introduced to prevent dodgy owners from making small clubs go bust. It just goes to show how far out of touch the Premier League is with the entire sport of football
We upgraded on Gallagher, robbed united for Mason Mount and arsenal for Havertz. Sorry for setting good business standards for the league yet again 🤷♂️
I find it hard to believe the loophole that allows all this to go on is merely an oversight. It's just TOO convenient.
Probably be closed and investigated soon as there making it a farce
It’s not an oversight nor was it intended, it just wasn’t assumed or thought of because those making the laws have never been involved in football.
@@n0body550 if it "wasn’t assumed or thought of", then it WAS an oversight. that's literally what an oversight is.
@@T.E.S.S. Which you said was hard to believe that it was. I believe it was an oversight.
@@n0body550 oh my god. you said in the same comment "it's not an oversight" lmaoooo. can you pick one?
Such is the length of Alfie's video intros/caveats these days, I was still expecting a Top 7 Dodgy Tranfers, some 18 minutes into proceedings.
Somebody suggested a very interesting video idea of 7 greatest assistant managers. Although Im not quite sure how the "goodness" of assistant managers can be quantified ?? 🤔
We’re blaming clubs but it’s the ridiculous system that needs scrapping. It’s only designed to allow other leagues to catch up with the prem and we took the knee
Tim Iroegbunam for 9 mil after the sale of Onana makes perfect sense. He has only been out of the match day squad because he is injured and was the best player for the first 4 games of the season. Dobbin to Villa not so much, its actaully a rare example of everton getting the better end of a deal. But I take the point neither would have happened if it wasn't for PSR.
Amusing that you show Brighton when stating that clubs without oligarchs or nation states need strong rules to be able to compete. Their gambling-rich owner pumped over half-a-billion into Brighton. Not sure that’s all that different to oligarchs and nation states.
Just shows that PSR is an absolute mess, clubs are just going to do whatever they want to avoid these rules that aren't fit for purpose.
Either PSR is scrapped, or all the clubs are looked into these suspected 'deals'
Newcastle fan, but its an absolute farce, we had to sell one of our 'rated' younsters to avoid these rules, other clubs having to sell younsters who could become great for their home club have to leave.
If you don't want your team selling academy youngsters to comply with PSR regulations, maybe your team should not have tempted the PST regulations
You are wrong about Tim. He never looked right at Villa, and this season we have Kamara, Onana and Barkley who would be ahead of him, plus even Bogarde who has looked better. We didn't need Tim, so why not strike a PSR deal.