As a SP fan since ‘92 (when I was 8 and first appreciated music for the first time) I argue this is borderline my fav SP album. So good... Yet different to original SP that’s for sure. billy desire for technical perfection is strong on this album.
One of my all time favorite albums. Deep lyrics , extremely moody, melancholic and sensual yet so powerful. I’m kind of glad that It didn’t make too mainstream - I don’t want to share this with too many people 😅
the movements in this piece are straightforward and brilliant. i love this album. reminds me a bit of machina but with a deeper sense of reflection and hope to rise above. amazing songs here. if people can just listen to it for what it is and not for what they want it to be; siamese dream, then they can stop short changing themselves and see this album is extremely relevant and can show the indie scensters how they too need not be afraid of turning the guitar amps above 4 and break a string or 2
No one can love you 'Cause no one can free you Lovers can't touch you 'Cause lovers might reach you, yeah I'm so alone, so alone But better than a wretched world Better than a broken pearl I'm so alone, so alone Better tha I ever was Better than a just laid cause Night may keep you sworn May bring you storms From chest to stern The jouney's blessed The warnings circumspect With dreams I've had With dreams I've had And still she's gone And still she's gone Night will fill your rest Negate you best With dreams I've had With dreams I've had Oh would I follow you How could I have ever doubted you? Sweet baby, nuture me Sweet lady, if you please Try the way on me Try the way on me Try the way on me Try the way... Skirt the cliffs of your illusion Find the faith on me My mistake as the last remaining soldier Was to take the place of you Love the way love the way and learn Try the way Cast off your indecision Face to face we breathe Try the way Cast off your indecision Face to face we breathe
The Smashing Pumpkins never sound the same, they were awesome with their first line up, I love Gish, Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, but this is great as well, of course I miss D'Arcy, James and Jimmy ... but this album is just great!!!
To those wishing this was recorded with James, D'arcy, and Jimmy, please note that Billy did everything on Siamese Dream except for drums on a couple tracks. Mellon Collie was a different story, the band worked together on the entire thing. (though there are parts that Billy did on bass)
As he's essentially the person that wrote, composed, and arranged just about everything you know as a "Smashing Pumpkins song", I think you may want to reconfigure your world view, friend. He's not going to be making the same music he did 25 years ago, and while that does injure my nostalgia node, he's making some solid contemporary/modern music, and it's great to have him still around and giving us music. Right?
this album is getting me through my mothers breast cancer, and spreading the word about to cause, not just the cure. stay motivated and truth seeking everyone
Oceania must be about the oceanic power of the unconscious mind, as channeled through what in Jungian psychology is called the Anima (archetype of the true self represented in feminine form). what was started in Porcelina, and continued in Mary Star of the Sea, is completed here.
Ben Wherlock The title has a dual meaning, which is a product of good writing. I think it's meant to be suggestive of what it's like to live in a totalitarian society, but the imagery of the song itself is unmistakably Jungian in nature. I've read 1984 three times. There in nothing in it that references the Tao ("find the way. skirt the cliff of your illusions. find the faith on me"), and I have also extensively read Carl Jung, as I know Billy has. The principle of which is absolutely centered around integrating the insights of eastern mysticism into western psychology. He wrote about the importance of getting in touch with the intuitive, creative, feminine-unconscious, and saw the Anima archetype as the ultimate soul image of a man which is always in the likeness of a woman. This is what billy sees when he stops doubting himself "how could have I ever doubted you"... It's not as simple as I'm making it out to be of course. But this is principally what I take out of the song.
Fathoms2004 in my opinion, Billy is always singing to another version of "himself" which is the song coming to life through him. His words--his feelings for the music or its "spirit"--seem like dreamy, indirect graspings at connections between all sorts of intellectual and spiritual concepts (as you said) that have probably spoken to him and that he feels capture both his feelings about the song and what the song itself might represent. There's a tension there, though, as he seems to sense his very graspings, themselves, potentially getting in the way of the pure "feminine other" he is chasing after with everything he has. I take the line "My mistake as the last remaining soldier was to take the place of you" (and other similar lyrics from this album in particular) as a sort of realization of this dynamic and a commitment to let his art be about itself for its own sake, and to let that stay the priority even though he feels like he is the only one still doing so--not, y'know, self-indulgence or just Billy's direct thoughts on life or whatever. Billy is a true artist in every sense of the word. That's what I admire him most for.
@@Fathoms2004 5 years ago you wrote this so I might not be finding an ear but this paragraph caught me at the right moments to bring me back into the fold. I stayed longer than so many through the mid 2000's and almost up into 2010 when I was discovering some of Machina and other music I had written off was actually worth listening to. (I was so far from home that to even FIND SP was sort of titanic effort) but I'm home and I feel the call but I wasnt sure until I read this so I hope this finds you.
i always LOVED that thing where it faded out, you thought the song was over...then the drums started slowly coming in around 5 minutes. soooo fantastic!!
This is the best song on this album. I absolutely love this song and the harmonies are excellent and so spot on. Everything about this song draws you in and keeps you there through the entire song!!! Billy Corgan is a musical genius!!! I've been listening to the Smashing Pumpkins for years.
such grace in this song and the fact that it is 9 minutes just keeps it special it one of those songs that has to played over and over next to the gish vinyl reissue im getting the vinyl of this keep up the good work Pumpkins!!!!
werideatdusk at least he put monuments with monuments and oceania with oceania, you know what im saying. different albums tha give very different experiences.
i would love for them to go full prog rock for the next album. i wish they had recorded gossamer. i have absolutely no problem with long songs so long as they keep twisting and morphing and don't do the same thing for TOO long. like this little beauty!!
A wonderful musical journey, traveling 9 breathless minutes in an unknown world. Then, at the end, you open your eyes and say to yourself: again, I want to leave again..
i'm so in love in this song that i'm almost cryng listening it. SP and it's songs heped me so many times to nreak through the hard times of my life. it's a hapiness too see i'm not alone and there so many people like you sharing the same feelings.
love love love this song. really want to get my hands on the guitar tab. it really hurt my heart the first time i listened through - oh, would i follow you, how could i have ever doubted you. so aching and beautiful
I think Billy was playing Final Fantasy VII lately! (The opening melody of this song has an unmistakable similarity to a leitmotif from that game's music) Great song!
''I'm so alone, so alone but better than a wretched world, better than broken pearl'' honestly Gotta say this album finds meaning to the sense of solitude I think more and more individuals are feeling with everyday growing struggles, And giving us a sense of how to Cope with them, And this is helping for me.....alot.
This song makes me want to drive down to Florida and put my feet in the salty water and frolic in the waves...love the drumming...awesome song Pumpkins!!
I actually have allot of relatives there, but I havn't been there for a long time. Usually go for weddings and funerals....but it is a great, great city! My cousin used to race jet engine dragsters there and we'd go to the track occasionaly as well. My nephew travels there for anamai (whatever) conventions where they dress up. And my other cousin is a great bowler and travels to Chicago allot..home of the Pumpkins, right?? Its gotta be great!
(P.S. I see the Cure-ish producing you're doing...love it.) What an homage while preserving the SPs.... artistry at its finest. ...(If only we could chat: I'm in WeHo youre in Malibu.)
Honestly, the soundscaping on this album is the best on any SP album. It's SO good. It's like a perfect mix of noisy, poppy, ambient. Just damn good. Only thing that holds it down abit is the vocals. I think they might be abit too loud throughout the album or some such. But the music and soundscaping is SO unique.
C'est du très bon SP. On retrouve dans ce morceau le génie de Billy Corgan, la même force émotionnelle que dans Mellon Collie, une pléthore d'instruments en harmonie, une alchimie parfaite entre le rock et l'émotion.
One of my favorite Pumpkin songs of all time😍 I can't believe how underrated this album though.
lol omfg
Just discovered this album top 3 for sure ❤
@@spiralmind9589 care to explain?
@@ninja_tony probably a siamese dream zombie 🧟♂️ 🧟♂️
Same
This song is like if The Cure did a jam session with Led Zeppelin. Billy Corgan is a genius. Just sheer brilliance❤️
Perfect description!
haha your right it really is like that
Hi =)
a true genious...this album won't fully be appreciated for years.
I appreciate it very much 🎸😎
Yest lak Ava Adore brü !
fax
The irony in your spelling of genius!
A stunning title track...back to epic SP...this album is so underrated it's a crime.
It's his proggiest album after Machina, people don't like prog, especially alt-rock fans. I think it's his second best after Machina, but I love prog!
As a SP fan since ‘92 (when I was 8 and first appreciated music for the first time) I argue this is borderline my fav SP album. So good... Yet different to original SP that’s for sure. billy desire for technical perfection is strong on this album.
@@amaxamonhey I love both Prog and Alt Rock! Lol
One of my all time favorite albums. Deep lyrics , extremely moody, melancholic and sensual yet so powerful. I’m kind of glad that It didn’t make too mainstream - I don’t want to share this with too many people 😅
1:26 The wall of mellotron behind that soaked-through guitar was genius.
the movements in this piece are straightforward and brilliant. i love this album. reminds me a bit of machina but with a deeper sense of reflection and hope to rise above. amazing songs here. if people can just listen to it for what it is and not for what they want it to be; siamese dream, then they can stop short changing themselves and see this album is extremely relevant and can show the indie scensters how they too need not be afraid of turning the guitar amps above 4 and break a string or 2
sounds progressive! this is very cool. The drums are absolutely great.
There's a Cure vibe to this song.
I found it interesting how one of the Cure albums was very influenced by Adore.
emtom1966 early Smashing Pumpkins are post-punk/new wave
ABSOLUTELY!
For sure!! Right off the get lol
Smashing Pumpkins roots are in The Cure and Depeche Mode. It shows
Amazing music...Way to go Billy and new crew!!! Top echelon artist IMHO.
I couldn't agree more.
No hyperbole, no idol-worship. Just a great song, and a great new album. Thank you.
but i wana hear how big his rims are and how much bling he is currently wearing
This might be the first lyrically brilliant song I've heard in years and years.
Listen to TOOL
i love how the song completely changes at 3:30 absolutely stunning
Amazing song!!!
The drums!!!
Hard to believe it's not Jimmy
No one can love you
'Cause no one can free you
Lovers can't touch you
'Cause lovers might reach you, yeah
I'm so alone, so alone
But better than a wretched world
Better than a broken pearl
I'm so alone, so alone
Better tha I ever was
Better than a just laid cause
Night may keep you sworn
May bring you storms
From chest to stern
The jouney's blessed
The warnings circumspect
With dreams I've had
With dreams I've had
And still she's gone
And still she's gone
Night will fill your rest
Negate you best
With dreams I've had
With dreams I've had
Oh would I follow you
How could I have ever doubted you?
Sweet baby, nuture me
Sweet lady, if you please
Try the way on me
Try the way on me
Try the way on me
Try the way...
Skirt the cliffs of your illusion
Find the faith on me
My mistake as the last remaining soldier
Was to take the place of you
Love the way
love the way and learn
Try the way
Cast off your indecision
Face to face we breathe
Try the way
Cast off your indecision
Face to face we breathe
Props to you and every person ever who posts the lyrics in the comments.
Belleza pura....
This song is my favorite song by this band to date.
I love the keyboards in this song. I wish Billy had more piano works because what he's done so far with the keys are so beautiful.
The Smashing Pumpkins never sound the same, they were awesome with their first line up, I love Gish, Siamese Dream and Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness, but this is great as well, of course I miss D'Arcy, James and Jimmy ... but this album is just great!!!
D'Arcy was fantastic.. the real formula of Smashing Pumpkins.. now is too late..however Oceania I agree is a great album!
Samyaza Shemyazaz
she was so hot
stiggyh early days she was. then... ewww..
That is Billy, rarely ever had the same chorus in a song let alone the sound from album to album.
Wonderful, this is what a dream sounds like!
This album is fucking amazing. Anyone who says different likes the smell of their own farts.
Andrew Zobava What's wrong with liking the smell of my own farts?
Scottish Accent - "Everyone loves their own brand"
To those wishing this was recorded with James, D'arcy, and Jimmy, please note that Billy did everything on Siamese Dream except for drums on a couple tracks. Mellon Collie was a different story, the band worked together on the entire thing. (though there are parts that Billy did on bass)
Love the ambiance on this album! It works so well.
this album is just fantastic!!!!
As he's essentially the person that wrote, composed, and arranged just about everything you know as a "Smashing Pumpkins song", I think you may want to reconfigure your world view, friend. He's not going to be making the same music he did 25 years ago, and while that does injure my nostalgia node, he's making some solid contemporary/modern music, and it's great to have him still around and giving us music. Right?
this album is getting me through my mothers breast cancer, and spreading the word about to cause, not just the cure. stay motivated and truth seeking everyone
How did your mother turn out to be?
@@LuisMiranda-go7kx she's great. Beat breast cancer then melanoma. Never give up
@@indie0gal Awesome! It's nice to know that! Thanks for sharing.
Oceania must be about the oceanic power of the unconscious mind, as channeled through what in Jungian psychology is called the Anima (archetype of the true self represented in feminine form). what was started in Porcelina, and continued in Mary Star of the Sea, is completed here.
No. That's Oceanic. Oceania is from the novel 1984 by George Orwell.
Ben Wherlock The title has a dual meaning, which is a product of good writing. I think it's meant to be suggestive of what it's like to live in a totalitarian society, but the imagery of the song itself is unmistakably Jungian in nature. I've read 1984 three times. There in nothing in it that references the Tao ("find the way. skirt the cliff of your illusions. find the faith on me"), and I have also extensively read Carl Jung, as I know Billy has. The principle of which is absolutely centered around integrating the insights of eastern mysticism into western psychology. He wrote about the importance of getting in touch with the intuitive, creative, feminine-unconscious, and saw the Anima archetype as the ultimate soul image of a man which is always in the likeness of a woman. This is what billy sees when he stops doubting himself "how could have I ever doubted you"... It's not as simple as I'm making it out to be of course. But this is principally what I take out of the song.
I'm actually studying Carl Jung lately. How synchronic! I like your take.
Fathoms2004 in my opinion, Billy is always singing to another version of "himself" which is the song coming to life through him. His words--his feelings for the music or its "spirit"--seem like dreamy, indirect graspings at connections between all sorts of intellectual and spiritual concepts (as you said) that have probably spoken to him and that he feels capture both his feelings about the song and what the song itself might represent. There's a tension there, though, as he seems to sense his very graspings, themselves, potentially getting in the way of the pure "feminine other" he is chasing after with everything he has. I take the line "My mistake as the last remaining soldier was to take the place of you" (and other similar lyrics from this album in particular) as a sort of realization of this dynamic and a commitment to let his art be about itself for its own sake, and to let that stay the priority even though he feels like he is the only one still doing so--not, y'know, self-indulgence or just Billy's direct thoughts on life or whatever. Billy is a true artist in every sense of the word. That's what I admire him most for.
@@Fathoms2004 5 years ago you wrote this so I might not be finding an ear but this paragraph caught me at the right moments to bring me back into the fold. I stayed longer than so many through the mid 2000's and almost up into 2010 when I was discovering some of Machina and other music I had written off was actually worth listening to. (I was so far from home that to even FIND SP was sort of titanic effort) but I'm home and I feel the call but I wasnt sure until I read this so I hope this finds you.
i always LOVED that thing where it faded out, you thought the song was over...then the drums started slowly coming in around 5 minutes. soooo fantastic!!
This is the best song on this album. I absolutely love this song and the harmonies are excellent and so spot on. Everything about this song draws you in and keeps you there through the entire song!!! Billy Corgan is a musical genius!!! I've been listening to the Smashing Pumpkins for years.
Such a great album!
This is a perfect song and for me, this is one of the best album covers I have seen in a long time. It captures the music perfectly.
This album is alright! They're still on tour.
This is my 3rd favorite album of theirs ranked: (Siamese Dream, Mellon Collie, Oceania, and Gish)
Well said. I have been along for this journey as well. This song is beautiful. I love you Billy.
such grace in this song and the fact that it is 9 minutes just keeps it special it one of those songs that has to played over and over next to the gish vinyl reissue im getting the vinyl of this keep up the good work Pumpkins!!!!
i gotta say, this beats out anything on "Monuments"
By a country mile.
werideatdusk at least he put monuments with monuments and oceania with oceania, you know what im saying. different albums tha give very different experiences.
+werideatdusk I find One and All and Dorian to be amazing tracks. Really like'em
Aside from “One and All”, Monuments is by far their worst album. Oceania is definitely their best work post-Machina.
Tiberius is an excellent song.
It does actually feel like an "album within an album". This song just made my day
The arrangements here are just gorgeous.
love the toms!
Totally agree. I'm happy to have this album in my collection!
Corgan it is the heart and soul .....without him nothing was happened...
First Half: The Killers Hot Fuss Sound, Next Half Pink Floyd
@3:29 is “wish you were here”
Definitely Pink Floyd keyboards and bass, but not Pink Floyd drums. Maybe Rush or Tool?
Also getting some "you can't always get what you want" vibe from it from 3:29 till like 5!
Animals...
Just beautiful
completamente conmovido por este genial disco!! thank for make music again smashing!!!
i would love for them to go full prog rock for the next album. i wish they had recorded gossamer. i have absolutely no problem with long songs so long as they keep twisting and morphing and don't do the same thing for TOO long. like this little beauty!!
Bass and drums superb, Flawless
A wonderful musical journey, traveling 9 breathless minutes in an unknown world. Then, at the end, you open your eyes and say to yourself: again, I want to leave again..
Billy is a fantastic songwriter and performer! I give him all the credit for the smashing pumpkins success
This is the Orion of the Smashing Pumpkins.
1:09 Sounds like Mike Jagger voice...and I miss you uuuuhhuu huhuu
how i love this song
i'm so in love in this song that i'm almost cryng listening it. SP and it's songs heped me so many times to nreak through the hard times of my life. it's a hapiness too see i'm not alone and there so many people like you sharing the same feelings.
I've always love this album. I love this band. They are great. This album is very underrated.
The smashing pumpkins
Oh yes. Tim Burton's Batman.
It's funny how people don't remember the other Co-Founder of SP...James Iha!
This song makes my life much more awesome!!!!!
The middle acoustic part reminds me of the acoustic part at the end of thru the eyes of ruby
Thru the eyes of Ruby is my all time fave Pumpkins song
great song, love it
Incredible song!!
love love love this song. really want to get my hands on the guitar tab. it really hurt my heart the first time i listened through - oh, would i follow you, how could i have ever doubted you. so aching and beautiful
amazing album!
What an awesome album.
Love this song especially around 4:50 mark!!!!!!!
I think Billy was playing Final Fantasy VII lately! (The opening melody of this song has an unmistakable similarity to a leitmotif from that game's music)
Great song!
I'm listening to Final Fantasy VII now. I hear the similarity! Good one!
Stone Codfish
Lol
The beginning melody remind me a lot the Majora's Mask melody
Ahead On Our Way is what it sounds like.
Never played FF but the last time I've heard ff music was on cinematach i will give ff a try on box game pass in a few weeks.
so fantastic
''I'm so alone, so alone but better than a wretched world, better than broken pearl''
honestly Gotta say this album finds meaning to the sense of solitude I think more and more individuals are feeling with everyday growing struggles, And giving us a sense of how to Cope with them, And this is helping for me.....alot.
My Mind is blown by these guys. Billy is a genius!
Great song, I´ve started listening Smashing gain!
Great Great Album!
A beautiful prog rock track capable of competing with all the great ones!
This song makes me want to drive down to Florida and put my feet in the salty water and frolic in the waves...love the drumming...awesome song Pumpkins!!
Masterpiece.
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Going to see them Dec 2!!!
Just perfect!
What that was amazing !!
masterpiece
Grande entre los grandes!!
Pink Floyd vibe here. Can’t believe I don’t see other comments saying the same
I actually have allot of relatives there, but I havn't been there for a long time. Usually go for weddings and funerals....but it is a great, great city! My cousin used to race jet engine dragsters there and we'd go to the track occasionaly as well. My nephew travels there for anamai (whatever) conventions where they dress up. And my other cousin is a great bowler and travels to Chicago allot..home of the Pumpkins, right?? Its gotta be great!
Like rain on your windshield.
Supreme!
sick drums
Mélodieux ,énergique ,créatif et cette touche inimitable...très bon.
Awesome track. Best Pumpkins have been since Siamese era.
AMZING!!!!!!!!!!!!
Best song in the album
epic songs dude. i remember back in 99 flying so high with the mellon collie....
great great great !!
I LOVE IT !
♥ 4:57 ♥
thumbs UP for you! totally agree
greatest song of this century.
Brillan !
(P.S. I see the Cure-ish producing you're doing...love it.) What an homage while preserving the SPs.... artistry at its finest. ...(If only we could chat: I'm in WeHo youre in Malibu.)
One of the best Pumpkins songs in years..
Honestly, the soundscaping on this album is the best on any SP album. It's SO good. It's like a perfect mix of noisy, poppy, ambient. Just damn good.
Only thing that holds it down abit is the vocals. I think they might be abit too loud throughout the album or some such. But the music and soundscaping is SO unique.
super!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Way Epic
C'est du très bon SP. On retrouve dans ce morceau le génie de Billy Corgan, la même force émotionnelle que dans Mellon Collie, une pléthore d'instruments en harmonie, une alchimie parfaite entre le rock et l'émotion.