More Porridge ^ Awe min ma sides Seriously young guys that age group should not be travelling such distances G Strachan has it right ..and all young guys developing should be all done in their own regions from say age 12 to 16 yrs and if good enough at age say 16 yrs then taken up by a club side in Scotland and with training in which shall benefit them even more so along with very good senior players in training learning the way ahead ..I agree with both Kris Boyd and G Strachan has it right , id rather Strachan was Celtic manager over Rodgers , certainly got Celtic to the last 16 and on a shoe string of a budget , and much better than Rodgers in Europe Also some celtic fans did not take to the guy what i seen via social media way back why not , they said he wasnt one of them ..This the idiots among them who would rather be oirish . Youll notice also they never call down Scales , he worst Cdefender at club and who is not an accident waiting to happen BUT more so an accident which always happens . Yet GB never call him down at all , they take their outbursts to Taylor . Last i checked Glasgow was a city within Scotland or has it relocated to the land of nod and make belief ?
Here's a hypothetical timeline for you: We all see the dire financial straits that Rangers are in. All the outward signs are that they continue to haemorrhage money - trying to keep pace with Celtic - and they can't survive, if the green side of Glasgow continues its relentless trophy hunt; they need the prize money and participation bonuses for the CL. They can't afford to buy players, they can't afford to pay for the ones they said they would, they can't afford to sack their manager. They keep creating more and more shares, to generate revenue, just to keep the lights on. In the absence of a miracle and the way things are spiralling, they'll be dead by 2030, in my opinion... Regardless of when the inevitable specifically happens, they're certainly dying. That leaves you with 11 teams who are smaller than Rangers were VS one of the most successful, well-run, well-supported clubs on the planet - a gulf of a gap, compared to the clubs left in 2012, when similar happened. Hugely unfair and, arguably, an existential risk to the Scottish game. So, whether it requires a few years of Celtic winning everything by embarrassing margins or not, Rangers death will set the wheels turning on the mechanism which brings Celtic into the English leagues. Celtic are a draw. They would generate billions down there. There's no complication with being, in any way, obliged to bring an obviously-struggling Rangers down because they won't exist - I don't think anyone will let them put-on another false nose and moustache. It allows the SPFL - and the Premiership, specifically - to equalise, financially, in Celtic's absence. It'll give those same, remaining clubs the opportunity to grow and use their homegrown talent, in a less brutal environment... Plus, you'd still have the draw of going to play for bigger clubs, like Celtic, who would then permanently be in the shop window, down the road. Celtic sell-out their home games due to full away section. The English clubs have a full away end every game. Celtic benefit from the English money (along with the Scottish talent they can develop) and we finally get to stop asking each other "what if...?".
In terms of expansion, Craig hit the nail on the head. Premiership: 20 Teams Championship: 22 Teams Yes, we'll have semi-pro teams in the league, but top teams will benefit because they can use their younger Scots. Semi-pro will benefit because they get to play against top opposition as well as get more money for gate receipts. It's a win-win for everyone.
@sandersson2813 it's not too big. Look at small nations similar to ours like Netherlands. Plus smaller league of 16/18 doesn't add up to the 42 teams we currently have.
@WolfmansGotNards You're missing the point. 42 teams is TOO MANY for a small country like Scotland. There's absolutely no case for "villages" like Brechin, Elgin, Stranraer, Cowdenbeath etc having so called "professional teams". They aren't professional. They aren't viable "professional teams" and so should be demoted to an amateur league or merge with other local teams to make a bigger team. Look at south Fife. It's got Raith, Dunfermline, East Fife and Cowdenbeath. They aren't viable clubs. It's ridiculous for Scotland to run 4 leagues. League One barely get a thousand fans and League 2 doesn't get anywhere near it. The Netherlands has 3.5x the population of Scotland. Norway is a better comparison, it has two main leagues and a number of smaller regionalised amateur leagues.
Best one yet. Bigger league and kids should only be allowed to be signed to teams in their region until the ages of 14. This would mean the best players would come through in a local environment. Ayrshire would have 2 academies at Ayr and Killie. Then you'd have Morton and St Mirren. Motherwell and Hamilton and so on. The bright lights will shine brighter and then have options after the age of 14 to move further afield if good enough.
100%. This gives clubs from all areas the potential to benefit from having diamonds in the rough and claim their own development fees if a big club snags their boys.
I’d form some sort of agreement with England that no players can be signed by them until they are 18, same as signing any other player from a foreign league. Then keep them playing local to 14 and then the best players go into the U16 at clubs throughout Scotland. Terms being signed should mean players cannot leave until they are 18 without a large fee. Allow players to develop and hopefully get near the first team. Then they have a choice of going to a big club or staying for first team football. Too many go to England or Old Firm at 15/16 and disappear.
I absolutely loved this video. Everyone had great points. I can resonate with all these points as my son is in kids football just now. He's 13 and we've experienced everything you've all mentioned.
na not after his comment about some managers being risk averse,has he forgotten the prague debacle?cos i certainly havent and niether has my bank balance lol
This was genuinely as great conversation to listen to. The insights on youth development and the league’s potential improvements is a topic that doesn’t get enough attention, and the discussion here was absolutely spot on!
A 16/18 team Premier League to take the pressure of the number of games played, pressure of managers, no split. This would allow young players to get senior game time. Also, reinstate U21 games to develop these young ayers.
Strachan had some good ideas. Recreate the time when it worked as best as possible, and that's school & local boys club football. A 16 team top league is essential too.
@Hunhater what like suggesting a SPFL super league so sponsers for the likes of hearts and hibs can secure better sponsor with the garuentee of never being relegated... 😂 hoe far fetched and pointless can he be
Love the warm up and specifically Gordon’s Scottish football coverage. However had to pull the plug 10 minutes in, Strachan not allowing anyone else to compete a sentence was unbelievably grating
Only 10 minutes in but I know I could’ve listened to this much longer, least a couple of hours. Discussion about bringing youth players through is really necessary for Scottish teams, we’re getting it all wrong. From a rangers fan, have wee Strachan on again he speaks well and clearly knows his stuff.
it really is crazy that hibs brought through brown,thomson,whittaker,murray,fletcher,riordan and o'conner at roughly the same time,dundee utd also have an impressive list but its abit more spread out
As I have said about my Nephew, my Dad drove him everywhere due to his my brother dying and his mum in prison. But he gave everything for my Nephew to get there.
Maximising time with a ball. Football outside of school hours has become for those with financial means and ability to travel. Some our best young players do not get a chance because family cannot support it out of school. Keep all football for the young very local. (Walking/local bus) distance. Local liaison link with families just to support maximising number of families letting their kids play.) Too many families/kids are being missed / excluded because of personal circumstances. Plenty of kids who would love a chance to play do not-get that chance to play.
Good discussion. We all care about Scottish football . The Italians seem to appreciate boys who weren’t appreciated in our league . Let’s evolve and develop.
Iceland has professional coaches at school level football. They also have all weather pitches & indoor pitches for most schools. Funded by government & UEFA
Promising players that look like getting exposure at Scottish clubs are often snapped up for low cost by English clubs or clubs abroad, sometimes before pro contracts are signed. Many sadly stagnate in academies of larger clubs stockpiling youth. This removes the incentive for smaller clubs to invest time and money in development.
someone should create a coaching app that allows top coaches to create training programs for youth players/teams so every team can train like the best. When poker coaching websites took off 15 years ago the level of competition at all stakes got exceptionally more difficult pretty quickly because your average joe suddenly had access to the mindsets of elite poker players. If youth players had access to the best minds teaching them not only how to be technically better but also how to think like a professional early on, the level of competition would also be way higher.
Top league of 16 teams and play 30 game season. If you are in the top league it is mandatory that you have a reserve team that plays in the league structure, however the reserve team cannot go higher than the Championship. (Like the Spanish do), Below the top tier, have 4 leagues of 10 teams that play a 36 game season. To ensure there are an appropriate amount of games introduce a seeded League Cup with the 42 league teams. The lowest seeded 20 teams play a home and away aggregated qualifier. That would then leave 32 teams which would split into 8 groups of 4. Again, play home and away fixtures and the top team from each league qualify for the last 8. Play a straight 2 leg home and away aggregated knockout from there. That format ensures that lesser teams get a share of gate money to develop players.
@ Precisely why I said about expanding the League Cup to ensure that gate receipts are spread around all teams and that there is an opportunity to give opportunities to fringe / young players. In addition, it allows teams to get ready for European football formats (should they qualify). The biggest hindrance currently is the crap tv deal and lack of money in the game. Scottish football sits between League One and Championship. That is not economically sustainable..
@@scooter0012 yeah i get that mate but most teams rely on the season ticket money being garaunteed,i suppose you could add the cup games in your model to the season tickets so the fans know exactly how many games they'll get on it,it could work ,whatever we do your right about the tv deal,we have to make our game more attractive to sponsors,there is so much that can be done i could talk about it all day
@@simonpeyton-n3h Hear hear! Unless teams in the lower echelons are given monetary support then player pathway progression will never occur. Andy Robertson is probably a great example of this. In addition, it is so important that our top teams have reserve teams playing in the lower leagues. There is far more benefit to a Rangers and Celtic B team playing against Cove, Montrose etc, as a team rather than farming players out on loan. These teams would also get a bigger gate from these games as supporters of Celtic, say that live in Montrose, would go and watch that. I also believe that Dundee or Dundee Utd B v a local team like Arbroath would pick in a decent gate that is higher than the current Div 1 or 2 average. Without redistribution of money within our league structures we can forget improving.
A move to a summer football league is the first move better playing conditions with a better TV deal only MLS competing against teams up to speed in Europe with more income clubs can address the youth players, We have always had good youth team's and still have the players they just need the opportunity.
Scrapping reserve football was criminal it was so important in a players development. And also I agree travelling the country to play games is a joke as well
League expansion 100% needs to happen Bigger clubs adding ie Falkirk, raith Dunfermline Partick More chances for youngster and for manager to develop ideas Not playing same team 4 x ( aye including old firms ) Because a bigger game if it’s just home and away
Personally would like to see an 18-18-18 pyramid, plenty of lowland and Highland league teams are professional, then make it 3 relegated from Prem, 2 automatically promoted to the Prem, 1 via playoff, same relegation from and promotion to the championship then 2 teams relegated from league 1 with 1 team from the Highland and lowland league respectively being promoted to league 1. There is a reason we don't get big TV deals is because we don't have enough teams playing high level football
I Coached Primary School P1 - P7 Football, for a few Years, P6 and a P7 team, One of the biggest issues is why put up to age 11 in Pro Youth Leagues, The training alone is to much aswell as school work on their developing body's and mind. Then comes the issue of they have to get permission to play for the school team, but if they show signs of quality they wont be allowed. At this developing age, take the Pro Elitist away till High School. just a thought
It is worse than what Gordon is saying as these youngsters often go to school in a different area from where they live, so they have to travel to school as well. I know a kid from Greenock who attended school in Glasgow. He had to get the train from Greenock to Glasgow every day. Due to the time school finished he would miss the train and have to wait for the next one. On the days he trained with his club, he would travel to Glasgow for school, travel home to Greenock for his dinner. He would then get train back to Glasgow and then bus to training and then home again. We should be getting our top coaches into youth football and keeping these players in their area and playing football. I also think we should bring back reserve football, so the young players have a place to play against men but are under less pressure.
Very weird rivalry between Gordon and Craig surrounding their circumstances when they were young in football doing paper rounds and what age they played mens football 😂
Great episode, od course yiuth development affects national team. Clubs arebt bringing through anyone. Most of our ckubs are signing English boys on loan, foreigners from the chamoionship and other dross. Its so poor and nobody is doing a thing
I agree with Strachan! An American style system, teams locked in for 10 years and a draft style system. Lets try something different, what we have obviously doesnt work.
2 leagues of 20, no 3 leagues of 10 and a 12, potentially more opportunity for lower leagues who spend more money than some league 1 teams, builds stability in the top league, more derbies means more televised games in the league with high gate receipts, but how do you even make this happen?
Having a folder probably means that he rehearses everything he says beforehand, like it's a script he's written of all the things he'll say. Probably the reason why he comes off as being too forced on tv. He needs to chill out and just be himself.
There are too many teams in Scotland pretending to be "professional". We can handle 2 leagues maximum. The likes of Raith, Dunfermline, East Fife and Cowdenbeath and Brechin, Montrose, Arbroath, Forfar etc should be merging. They aren't commercially viable as they stand and shouldn't be in the league. The likes of Stranraer, Elgin, Clyde etc simply shouldn't exist. The biggest problem with Scottish football is 4x fixtures per year. That plays into Celtic and Rangers hands and is directly responsible for a lack of competition and keeps it a two horse race. Should consider playing summer football, ditching League Cup and actually playing LESS football.
14:50 did pro footballers making thousands per week just say the couldn’t afford to take 3-4 years off at the end of their career and couldn’t afford a £3000 license?
When they retire their mortgage payments and lifestyle expenses will still be based off their previous earnings. They need to find work that will continue to fund that level of lifestyle and be sensible with money.
Think he meant to do the full set of licenses you need A Is just the starting block. And to manage in the prem and europe leauges probs cost 30 grand for all combined. And as he says they still have bills to pay b4 they sign up for the course. Its poor set up theres 3 guys thers could be on a caoching roal in a scotland academy without any license just on merit as they all are characters great players and have been there and done it. You dont need a peace a paper to tell you that. Its like been with your gd lady for 15 year and not been married whats that bit of paper going to change 😅 but more needs done for the young teams and the answers have been spoke about on here
Pro youth set ups/ Academies should be scrapped and let the kids play boys club up to 16, then sign them as apprentices if they're good enough and bring back the reserve league.
Should ex professional football players not be having more of an input to produce and structure youth development , Scottish football needs massive change ,Strachan and Levein would do a better job than those in charge
Bigger league will never be voted for, too many of the other SPL teams rely on Celtic and Rangers games for revenue. Sky or whoever else buys the package also won’t swap 4 old firm games for 2 a season. Strachan makes a good point about 1 superstar but I’m sure Bale/Ibra were developed elsewhere (England/Netherlands) at a young age, which goes against his point of travelling/moving from your local area to develop.
As a Celtic fan who respects what Strachan did for my club, some of his points here are nonsensical. Eliminating relegation in favour of maintaining "elite" Scottish clubs is both anti-meritocracy but also snobbish. Generally speaking I think there's a case for expanding the league, but think 18 or 20 teams is too far. Why not a 16 team league? Each team plays each other twice = 30 games. Then a split whereby the table is divided into quarters, (1st-4th, 5th-8th, 9th-12th, 13th-16th), where each team then plays their 3 opponents home & away for an extra 6 games. Total = 36 games. You could have 14th as relegation play off position with 15th & 16th place for automatic relegation
If the league expands it will create empty stadiums. Nobody wants to watch games that don’t mean anything. That is the reason our top league splits with 5 games to go. Hospitality revenues would collapse from the top to bottom. Season ticket sales would suffer as a result. Schoolboy football where every child, rich or poor gets a chance. Training 2 afternoons a week after school and a game on Saturday morning if your good enough. The best of these players then get to play with boys clubs and amateur sides before academies coach out any natural ability. Elite Academies take a young player and mould him into one position. If he’s not the best in his year he’s binned. Boys clubs can only attract so many players and they would have to fill different positions on different occasions. Young boys are not going to attend boys clubs too long if they’re not getting a game……..natural selection. How many kids would play with jerseys as goalposts, back in the day, hoping to improve. Nowadays if there not paying to attend coaching they don’t get a chance.
What on earth is Gordon talking about with taking away relegation? What is a "good club"? You're just going to shut down the league at a random point in history and close it out to everyone else? Bizarre suggestion for me, takes away so much of what is good about football.
Kris Boyd is chatting shite here. Every study has shown that’s hat develops young players is first team football. Whatever the level. If teams aren’t willing to take the risk and play young players they don’t develop and they don’t make it. If they DO then a good percentage of them will progress to being good players. We can’t wait until we have a generational talent like Gilmour or Doak until we play young players. We have to play far more and let them become top players. It’s why the old firm kill the careers of the best youngsters.
This is a terrible podcast. Boyd and Strachan are some of the least thoughtful thinkers in football, just full of emotional opinions. Levein is more thoughtful but wasn't allowed to speak. I'm trusting Gordon Duncan to run a football youth setup before Strachan and Boyd.
Put pro youth teams in a pyramid with community youth teams. Both pro youth and scheme lads, Play a different type of football Difference being The money families have to spend on football,
What do you think can be done to promote and develop more young Scottish players? Share your ideas below! 👇
More Porridge ^ Awe min ma sides Seriously young guys that age group should not be travelling such distances
G Strachan has it right ..and all young guys developing should be all done in their own regions
from say age 12 to 16 yrs and if good enough at age say 16 yrs then taken up by a club side in Scotland
and with training in which shall benefit them even more so along with very good senior players in training learning the way ahead ..I agree with both Kris Boyd and G Strachan has it right , id rather Strachan was Celtic manager over Rodgers , certainly got Celtic to the last 16 and on a shoe string of a budget , and much better than Rodgers in Europe
Also some celtic fans did not take to the guy what i seen via social media way back why not , they said he wasnt one of them ..This the idiots among them who would rather be oirish . Youll notice also they never call down Scales , he worst Cdefender at club and who is not an accident waiting to happen BUT more so an accident which always happens . Yet GB never call him down at all , they take their outbursts to Taylor . Last i checked Glasgow was a city within Scotland or has it relocated to the land of nod and make belief ?
Here's a hypothetical timeline for you:
We all see the dire financial straits that Rangers are in. All the outward signs are that they continue to haemorrhage money - trying to keep pace with Celtic - and they can't survive, if the green side of Glasgow continues its relentless trophy hunt; they need the prize money and participation bonuses for the CL. They can't afford to buy players, they can't afford to pay for the ones they said they would, they can't afford to sack their manager. They keep creating more and more shares, to generate revenue, just to keep the lights on. In the absence of a miracle and the way things are spiralling, they'll be dead by 2030, in my opinion... Regardless of when the inevitable specifically happens, they're certainly dying.
That leaves you with 11 teams who are smaller than Rangers were VS one of the most successful, well-run, well-supported clubs on the planet - a gulf of a gap, compared to the clubs left in 2012, when similar happened. Hugely unfair and, arguably, an existential risk to the Scottish game. So, whether it requires a few years of Celtic winning everything by embarrassing margins or not, Rangers death will set the wheels turning on the mechanism which brings Celtic into the English leagues.
Celtic are a draw. They would generate billions down there. There's no complication with being, in any way, obliged to bring an obviously-struggling Rangers down because they won't exist - I don't think anyone will let them put-on another false nose and moustache. It allows the SPFL - and the Premiership, specifically - to equalise, financially, in Celtic's absence. It'll give those same, remaining clubs the opportunity to grow and use their homegrown talent, in a less brutal environment... Plus, you'd still have the draw of going to play for bigger clubs, like Celtic, who would then permanently be in the shop window, down the road.
Celtic sell-out their home games due to full away section. The English clubs have a full away end every game. Celtic benefit from the English money (along with the Scottish talent they can develop) and we finally get to stop asking each other "what if...?".
In terms of expansion, Craig hit the nail on the head.
Premiership: 20 Teams
Championship: 22 Teams
Yes, we'll have semi-pro teams in the league, but top teams will benefit because they can use their younger Scots. Semi-pro will benefit because they get to play against top opposition as well as get more money for gate receipts. It's a win-win for everyone.
Will never happen as it makes too much sense and scottish football doesn't do sensible
@chris-mc4dg very true, sadly.
That is too big. 2 leagues of 16/18 max.
@sandersson2813 it's not too big. Look at small nations similar to ours like Netherlands. Plus smaller league of 16/18 doesn't add up to the 42 teams we currently have.
@WolfmansGotNards You're missing the point. 42 teams is TOO MANY for a small country like Scotland.
There's absolutely no case for "villages" like Brechin, Elgin, Stranraer, Cowdenbeath etc having so called "professional teams". They aren't professional.
They aren't viable "professional teams" and so should be demoted to an amateur league or merge with other local teams to make a bigger team.
Look at south Fife. It's got Raith, Dunfermline, East Fife and Cowdenbeath. They aren't viable clubs.
It's ridiculous for Scotland to run 4 leagues. League One barely get a thousand fans and League 2 doesn't get anywhere near it.
The Netherlands has 3.5x the population of Scotland.
Norway is a better comparison, it has two main leagues and a number of smaller regionalised amateur leagues.
Not sure I’ve heard Strachan or Boyd let someone else finish their sentence
Expand the league but cut FA Cup replays? 😆 fuck the premier league !
Best one yet. Bigger league and kids should only be allowed to be signed to teams in their region until the ages of 14. This would mean the best players would come through in a local environment. Ayrshire would have 2 academies at Ayr and Killie. Then you'd have Morton and St Mirren. Motherwell and Hamilton and so on. The bright lights will shine brighter and then have options after the age of 14 to move further afield if good enough.
100%. This gives clubs from all areas the potential to benefit from having diamonds in the rough and claim their own development fees if a big club snags their boys.
I’d form some sort of agreement with England that no players can be signed by them until they are 18, same as signing any other player from a foreign league. Then keep them playing local to 14 and then the best players go into the U16 at clubs throughout Scotland. Terms being signed should mean players cannot leave until they are 18 without a large fee. Allow players to develop and hopefully get near the first team. Then they have a choice of going to a big club or staying for first team football. Too many go to England or Old Firm at 15/16 and disappear.
I absolutely loved this video. Everyone had great points. I can resonate with all these points as my son is in kids football just now. He's 13 and we've experienced everything you've all mentioned.
Honestly Strachan loves the sound of his own voice, hes got good points but he needs to get to them
any chance eh letting Craig get a word in
na not after his comment about some managers being risk averse,has he forgotten the prague debacle?cos i certainly havent and niether has my bank balance lol
This was genuinely as great conversation to listen to. The insights on youth development and the league’s potential improvements is a topic that doesn’t get enough attention, and the discussion here was absolutely spot on!
A 16/18 team Premier League to take the pressure of the number of games played, pressure of managers, no split. This would allow young players to get senior game time. Also, reinstate U21 games to develop these young ayers.
you need the split mate for the jeapardy and excitement
Strachan had some good ideas. Recreate the time when it worked as best as possible, and that's school & local boys club football. A 16 team top league is essential too.
Strachan just talking over everybody 😂
As he always has.
Because he talks sense
@Hunhater what like suggesting a SPFL super league so sponsers for the likes of hearts and hibs can secure better sponsor with the garuentee of never being relegated... 😂 hoe far fetched and pointless can he be
He talks just to talk
Its all good talking about this, but we need to enact some change.
Really enjoyed the discussion and some great points on failures at youth level.
Love the warm up and specifically Gordon’s Scottish football coverage. However had to pull the plug 10 minutes in, Strachan not allowing anyone else to compete a sentence was unbelievably grating
Only 10 minutes in but I know I could’ve listened to this much longer, least a couple of hours. Discussion about bringing youth players through is really necessary for Scottish teams, we’re getting it all wrong. From a rangers fan, have wee Strachan on again he speaks well and clearly knows his stuff.
it really is crazy that hibs brought through brown,thomson,whittaker,murray,fletcher,riordan and o'conner at roughly the same time,dundee utd also have an impressive list but its abit more spread out
Just constant interrupting
22:52 the talking over each other 🤣🤣 some great points though in this episode
As I have said about my Nephew, my Dad drove him everywhere due to his my brother dying and his mum in prison. But he gave everything for my Nephew to get there.
My Nephew played for St.Johnstone for 6 years. They had a full squad of Glaswegians.
Maximising time with a ball. Football outside of school hours has become for those with financial means and ability to travel. Some our best young players do not get a chance because family cannot support it out of school. Keep all football for the young very local. (Walking/local bus) distance. Local liaison link with families just to support maximising number of families letting their kids play.) Too many families/kids are being missed / excluded because of personal circumstances. Plenty of kids who would love a chance to play do not-get that chance to play.
Good discussion. We all care about Scottish football . The Italians seem to appreciate boys who weren’t appreciated in our league . Let’s evolve and develop.
This the best era for Scottish talent since the 90’s.
Iceland has professional coaches at school level football. They also have all weather pitches & indoor pitches for most schools. Funded by government & UEFA
Promising players that look like getting exposure at Scottish clubs are often snapped up for low cost by English clubs or clubs abroad, sometimes before pro contracts are signed. Many sadly stagnate in academies of larger clubs stockpiling youth. This removes the incentive for smaller clubs to invest time and money in development.
What theyre sayin is right. A bigger league is a must.
that travel comment is spot on and i agree kids should play in their area
someone should create a coaching app that allows top coaches to create training programs for youth players/teams so every team can train like the best. When poker coaching websites took off 15 years ago the level of competition at all stakes got exceptionally more difficult pretty quickly because your average joe suddenly had access to the mindsets of elite poker players. If youth players had access to the best minds teaching them not only how to be technically better but also how to think like a professional early on, the level of competition would also be way higher.
Decent vid, but Strachan loves the sound of his own voice, followed closely by Boydy!
21:50 love Strachan but no, removing relegation worsens the product as clubs will get lazy.
Top league of 16 teams and play 30 game season.
If you are in the top league it is mandatory that you have a reserve team that plays in the league structure, however the reserve team cannot go higher than the Championship. (Like the Spanish do),
Below the top tier, have 4 leagues of 10 teams that play a 36 game season.
To ensure there are an appropriate amount of games introduce a seeded League Cup with the 42 league teams. The lowest seeded 20 teams play a home and away aggregated qualifier.
That would then leave 32 teams which would split into 8 groups of 4. Again, play home and away fixtures and the top team from each league qualify for the last 8.
Play a straight 2 leg home and away aggregated knockout from there.
That format ensures that lesser teams get a share of gate money to develop players.
30 games is just not enough,no team would go for it because of the loss of gate reciepts
@ Precisely why I said about expanding the League Cup to ensure that gate receipts are spread around all teams and that there is an opportunity to give opportunities to fringe / young players.
In addition, it allows teams to get ready for European football formats (should they qualify).
The biggest hindrance currently is the crap tv deal and lack of money in the game. Scottish football sits between League One and Championship. That is not economically sustainable..
@@scooter0012 yeah i get that mate but most teams rely on the season ticket money being garaunteed,i suppose you could add the cup games in your model to the season tickets so the fans know exactly how many games they'll get on it,it could work ,whatever we do your right about the tv deal,we have to make our game more attractive to sponsors,there is so much that can be done i could talk about it all day
@@simonpeyton-n3h Hear hear!
Unless teams in the lower echelons are given monetary support then player pathway progression will never occur. Andy Robertson is probably a great example of this.
In addition, it is so important that our top teams have reserve teams playing in the lower leagues. There is far more benefit to a Rangers and Celtic B team playing against Cove, Montrose etc, as a team rather than farming players out on loan. These teams would also get a bigger gate from these games as supporters of Celtic, say that live in Montrose, would go and watch that. I also believe that Dundee or Dundee Utd B v a local team like Arbroath would pick in a decent gate that is higher than the current Div 1 or 2 average.
Without redistribution of money within our league structures we can forget improving.
@@simonpeyton-n3h The other point of a lesser season is to promote a winter break and get away from a congested fixture list around internationals.
well said.
A move to a summer football league is the first move better playing conditions with a better TV deal only MLS competing against teams up to speed in Europe with more income clubs can address the youth players,
We have always had good youth team's and still have the players they just need the opportunity.
Scrapping reserve football was criminal it was so important in a players development. And also I agree travelling the country to play games is a joke as well
More of this guys, educate the fans
I think the underlying reason is the vast majority of supporters aren't as passionate about the national team than their own clubs
what you on about,how does that effect our youth intake?
League expansion 100% needs to happen
Bigger clubs adding ie Falkirk, raith Dunfermline Partick
More chances for youngster and for manager to develop ideas
Not playing same team 4 x
( aye including old firms )
Because a bigger game if it’s just home and away
Personally would like to see an 18-18-18 pyramid, plenty of lowland and Highland league teams are professional, then make it 3 relegated from Prem, 2 automatically promoted to the Prem, 1 via playoff, same relegation from and promotion to the championship then 2 teams relegated from league 1 with 1 team from the Highland and lowland league respectively being promoted to league 1. There is a reason we don't get big TV deals is because we don't have enough teams playing high level football
I Coached Primary School P1 - P7 Football, for a few Years, P6 and a P7 team, One of the biggest issues is why put up to age 11 in Pro Youth Leagues, The training alone is to much aswell as school work on their developing body's and mind. Then comes the issue of they have to get permission to play for the school team, but if they show signs of quality they wont be allowed. At this developing age, take the Pro Elitist away till High School. just a thought
It is worse than what Gordon is saying as these youngsters often go to school in a different area from where they live, so they have to travel to school as well.
I know a kid from Greenock who attended school in Glasgow. He had to get the train from Greenock to Glasgow every day. Due to the time school finished he would miss the train and have to wait for the next one.
On the days he trained with his club, he would travel to Glasgow for school, travel home to Greenock for his dinner. He would then get train back to Glasgow and then bus to training and then home again.
We should be getting our top coaches into youth football and keeping these players in their area and playing football. I also think we should bring back reserve football, so the young players have a place to play against men but are under less pressure.
Very weird rivalry between Gordon and Craig surrounding their circumstances when they were young in football doing paper rounds and what age they played mens football 😂
Great episode, od course yiuth development affects national team. Clubs arebt bringing through anyone. Most of our ckubs are signing English boys on loan, foreigners from the chamoionship and other dross. Its so poor and nobody is doing a thing
I agree with Strachan! An American style system, teams locked in for 10 years and a draft style system. Lets try something different, what we have obviously doesnt work.
2 leagues of 20, no 3 leagues of 10 and a 12, potentially more opportunity for lower leagues who spend more money than some league 1 teams, builds stability in the top league, more derbies means more televised games in the league with high gate receipts, but how do you even make this happen?
Expand the league, less must win games, more youth get a chance
Great insight. But please let craig finish his sentences haha
Does boyd always have his folder
Having a folder probably means that he rehearses everything he says beforehand, like it's a script he's written of all the things he'll say. Probably the reason why he comes off as being too forced on tv. He needs to chill out and just be himself.
Extend the league to 16. Take away the panic for every team below 3rd /4th and the will play more youth.
There are too many teams in Scotland pretending to be "professional".
We can handle 2 leagues maximum.
The likes of Raith, Dunfermline, East Fife and Cowdenbeath and Brechin, Montrose, Arbroath, Forfar etc should be merging. They aren't commercially viable as they stand and shouldn't be in the league. The likes of Stranraer, Elgin, Clyde etc simply shouldn't exist.
The biggest problem with Scottish football is 4x fixtures per year. That plays into Celtic and Rangers hands and is directly responsible for a lack of competition and keeps it a two horse race.
Should consider playing summer football, ditching League Cup and actually playing LESS football.
Strachan, I would excuse the guff talking if you let anyone else speak
whos paying for it celtic and rangers supporters .weve been treatied like sh.t by every club .but they need our cash .
Mandatory street football growing up.
Football is robotic now, data and stat driven, will only get worse.
14:50 did pro footballers making thousands per week just say the couldn’t afford to take 3-4 years off at the end of their career and couldn’t afford a £3000 license?
When they retire their mortgage payments and lifestyle expenses will still be based off their previous earnings. They need to find work that will continue to fund that level of lifestyle and be sensible with money.
Think he meant to do the full set of licenses you need A Is just the starting block. And to manage in the prem and europe leauges probs cost 30 grand for all combined. And as he says they still have bills to pay b4 they sign up for the course. Its poor set up theres 3 guys thers could be on a caoching roal in a scotland academy without any license just on merit as they all are characters great players and have been there and done it. You dont need a peace a paper to tell you that. Its like been with your gd lady for 15 year and not been married whats that bit of paper going to change 😅 but more needs done for the young teams and the answers have been spoke about on here
We should have expanded to a 16 league decades ago. The 12 team, 4 division, is an awful setup.
A friend told me the club he is at a boy under 14 turned up with his parents and agent best of it was he wasn’t very good
Pro youth set ups/ Academies should be scrapped and let the kids play boys club up to 16, then sign them as apprentices if they're good enough and bring back the reserve league.
Ex footballers are taking £30 a month of parents to take kids in there academy’s it’s shocking name and shame them .
Should ex professional football players not be having more of an input to produce and structure youth development , Scottish football needs massive change ,Strachan and Levein would do a better job than those in charge
Bigger league will never be voted for, too many of the other SPL teams rely on Celtic and Rangers games for revenue.
Sky or whoever else buys the package also won’t swap 4 old firm games for 2 a season.
Strachan makes a good point about 1 superstar but I’m sure Bale/Ibra were developed elsewhere (England/Netherlands) at a young age, which goes against his point of travelling/moving from your local area to develop.
Boyd moaning about the cost of a coaching licence
Off of touch
Gordon and Boyd rambling and trying to prove how tough they are. Want to improve young players? Don’t ask these arrogant dinosaurs
As a Celtic fan who respects what Strachan did for my club, some of his points here are nonsensical. Eliminating relegation in favour of maintaining "elite" Scottish clubs is both anti-meritocracy but also snobbish. Generally speaking I think there's a case for expanding the league, but think 18 or 20 teams is too far. Why not a 16 team league? Each team plays each other twice = 30 games. Then a split whereby the table is divided into quarters, (1st-4th, 5th-8th, 9th-12th, 13th-16th), where each team then plays their 3 opponents home & away for an extra 6 games. Total = 36 games. You could have 14th as relegation play off position with 15th & 16th place for automatic relegation
Playing the same teams up to four times a season is boring. The spilt is a farce and half the league play survival football. Expand the league.
Glad Strachan is back makes show lot better without a certain person great show guys
If the league expands it will create empty stadiums. Nobody wants to watch games that don’t mean anything. That is the reason our top league splits with 5 games to go. Hospitality revenues would collapse from the top to bottom. Season ticket sales would suffer as a result.
Schoolboy football where every child, rich or poor gets a chance. Training 2 afternoons a week after school and a game on Saturday morning if your good enough.
The best of these players then get to play with boys clubs and amateur sides before academies coach out any natural ability.
Elite Academies take a young player and mould him into one position. If he’s not the best in his year he’s binned. Boys clubs can only attract so many players and they would have to fill different positions on different occasions. Young boys are not going to attend boys clubs too long if they’re not getting a game……..natural selection.
How many kids would play with jerseys as goalposts, back in the day, hoping to improve. Nowadays if there not paying to attend coaching they don’t get a chance.
What on earth is Gordon talking about with taking away relegation? What is a "good club"? You're just going to shut down the league at a random point in history and close it out to everyone else?
Bizarre suggestion for me, takes away so much of what is good about football.
To short, need nore
Kris Boyd is chatting shite here. Every study has shown that’s hat develops young players is first team football. Whatever the level. If teams aren’t willing to take the risk and play young players they don’t develop and they don’t make it. If they DO then a good percentage of them will progress to being good players. We can’t wait until we have a generational talent like Gilmour or Doak until we play young players. We have to play far more and let them become top players. It’s why the old firm kill the careers of the best youngsters.
Kris Boyd needs to breathe, slow down man. Gives me anxiety.
This is a terrible podcast. Boyd and Strachan are some of the least thoughtful thinkers in football, just full of emotional opinions. Levein is more thoughtful but wasn't allowed to speak. I'm trusting Gordon Duncan to run a football youth setup before Strachan and Boyd.
Put pro youth teams in a pyramid with community youth teams. Both pro youth and scheme lads, Play a different type of football
Difference being The money families have to spend on football,
This shite is just another old firm podcast 😴
Who invited Boyd ?.. He was SO far out of his depth , that he Nearly Drowned !!!
Strachan likes than sound of his own voice! 🥱 get to the point