My great-grandfather tried to warn everybody that the Titanic would sink. He tried to tell them over and over but everyone just ignored him and treated him like a loon. He kept trying until they dragged him kicking and screaming from the movie theatre.
Thomas Andrews was an engineer, as such he analyzed the situation, the damage to the ship and gave an engineers analysis. Titanic was going to sink. No apologies.
My fave vignette in the '97 movie is where Andrews, alone in the First Class Dining Room whose deck is already listing visibly, pauses to adjust the hand of the mantle clock by a minute or so, to match the time shown on his no doubt impeccably-correct pocketwatch. Now THAT's an engineer.
@@ColdWarShot True, but of course by the time he gave that assessment there'd been discussions between Captain Smith & his officers, afterwards Andrews was sent for and went to the bridge, then he went below and conducted a tour of the lower levels of the forward section of the ship and returned to the bridge. All of that must've taken some time...
@@ColdWarShot she stayed afloat longer because the engineers stayed in the engine rooms pumping the water out until the pumps were overwhelmed. I always wondered why the lights stayed on right until the last minute. I found out later the engineers kept moving back into the dry boiler rooms stoking the fires and keeping the electricity working. They fought tooth and nail to keep her afloat as long as possible. If they literally did nothing to try and stop the flooding, Andrew's prediction of an hour and a half would have been spot on
@@iangarner8857 There was an Electrical Generation "Room" Aft, and near the top of the Engineering spaces (it had an auxiliary petrol motor, so even as the boilers lost steam, they were able to keep the Lights on, and the Radio-Telegraph in operation until the last minutes! All the Electrical Engineers and technicians Died doing their Duty! 78% of the Crew died! Only 3 of 8 Officers were ordered to take charge of a Lifeboat, the others remained behind. By a near miracle, Second Officer Lightoller also survived (blown into the icy waters, standing on the capsized hull of collapsible lifeboat "D" until picked up by another lifeboat several hours later. Only the 3 Royal Mail, and 2 US Post Office employees, and All of the Cabin Boys (under 16 years of age), and the Electrical Division of the Engineering Department had All Men and Boys die! They died, that Others might Live!
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 the captain and crew were disgraceful. Look up the Andrea Doria. The captain and crew behaved excellently and the captain left last.
The dedication of those two is unbelievable. They both know they will be dead within the next couple of hours but continue to focus on their responsibilities with complete calmness.
True. Unless someone hears the distress signal and gets there in time to get everyone else who can't get into a lifeboat both Captain Smith and Mr. Andrews know they're doomed. But they keep their composure just as thinking men of their station were expected to do. "When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout!" wasn't an option.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706I think this is the sanitised CAPT. Smith. Irl, the poor bloke was overwhelmed with the gravity of the situation and didn't really command strongly during the evacuation. One of the officers - either Murdoch or Lightoller - found him staring into space when they informed him that the lifeboats were prepared. The officer told Smith that he will load the boats with the women and chillun, but Smith just nodded silently, clearly in shock. It was up to the officers to take the initiative. Smith was stoic and s sympathetic figure, but I think he was complacent and expecting an easy crossing as his swan song. Arthur Peuchen, an officer of the British empire and first class passenger, didn't think much of Smith's abilities as commander, as you can read on his wiki page. I think he was too harsh, but see above.
I believe I have seen all sound versions of the Titanic films. As much as I enjoyed and was pleased by the financial success of the latest film (starting Leonardo DiCaprio), A Night to Remember still remains my favorite.
All you need to know about "A Night to Remember" is that this is the version of the story that the Titanic Society believes is most overall accurate to the actual sinking of the Titanic.
Yep. The only thing that they are missing is the hard list to port and the ship breaking in half, but of course they didn't know it back then. In fact, the Titanic 1953 version is the first one to accurately get the hard list to port right. Towards the end it developed a hard list but it wasn't shown in the 1958 or 1997 versions.
@john b. The question is what is more realistic. Modern movies often exaggerate in both directions - either the protagonists are hyperactive or they are way to cool super-heroes (or at least try to pretend to). From what I read, Mr Andrews really looked very concerned even to passengers who only watched him passing by during his inspection tour, so I would suggest that his portrayal by Victor Garber in the Cameron movie is more realistic than the calm and dry analysis portrayed in the 1956 movie. But none of us was there and witnessed the events.
People complain that they didn't show her breaking in half... That's because we didn't know ( for sure) that she did break in half til Dr Robert Ballard found her. 🤷♀️
Captain Smith stepping out, hearing the roar of the releasing steam, hearing the death throes of his command...knowing he will die, and many of the passengers of his command will die. Can you imagine a situation like that? Of course you can't. Neither can I.
It's no wonder there are reports that Captain Smith was initially paralyzed with fear and Lightoler had to urge him to start getting people into the boats. That's a huge weight to have on your shoulders knowing that no matter what you do, you much of your crew and many of your passengers are going to die.
CAPTAIN: "She can't sink!" ANDREWS: (deadpan) "She can't float." Love this movie. A documentary-like feel, excellent performances from everyone, and a creeping sense of suspense and terror even though you know the outcome. Hard o believe that director Roy Ward Baker went from this jewel down to 'The Monster Club' (1981.)
If you're fond of Roy Ward Baker there's currently a film of his up on UA-cam called 'The One that got Away' starring a young Hardy Kruger. It's about a Luftwaffe pilot who became the only man to escape a British WWII POW camp. It's quite a wry tale, and newcomer Kruger gives it a sort of engaging James Dean swagger. Not as good as A Night to Remember (but what is?) but it is still a pretty entertaining film.
This scene is excellent, it contains one detail that James Cameron got wrong in his movie: when the Titanic hit the iceberg, not five, but actually SIX watertight compartments were flooding. The sixth one, the boiler room number five, was only slightly damaged and the pumps were immediately put into action, so, combined with the fact that watertight doors were closed, that was enough to keep the level of incoming water under control, at least initially...
Love the moment when Captain Smith pauses at 2:40 to pull himself together before telling his staff the terrible news. The real Captain Smith must've wanted to curl up in the fetal position. Sadly, this was to be Smith's last voyage before retiring. He had a great record as a captain. Imagine being Captain Smith and knowing that this massive screw-up, and all the needless deaths will be what you'll be known for. Neither Smith nor Andrews appear to have even tried to save themselves. The last time Andrews was seen, he was sitting in the dining hall staring at a painting. The enormity of the tragedy must have been soul destroying for the guy who designed the ship. Walter Lord, author of "A Night To Remember", summed it up beautifully: "If she had seen the berg 15 seconds sooner--or 15 seconds later....if she had hit the ice any other way...if her watertight bulkheads had been one deck higher...if she had carried enough boats...if the Californian had only come. Had any one of these "ifs" turned out right, every life might have been saved. But they all went against her---a classic Greek tragedy."
The book called On A Sea Of Glass has some great information regarding Captain Smith and Thomas Andrews in the latter stages of the sinking. There are several witness accounts of Smith and Andrews appearing to swim off from the boat deck, with Andrews saying something along the lines of "We have to go, she's going down". Andrews was never seen again. It's a shame A Night To Remember does not show this. However, there are some suggestions that it was Captain Smith who swam up to the overturned boat and was told there is no space, to which he responded "goodnight, god bless you" before swimming off, never to be seen again. This scene was also depicted in the film, though as possible as it is that such an exchange happened between two people and that it could indeed have involved Captain Smith, it has never been confirmed and most likely now never will be. The film does well to show the scene but not assume who the individual was. I agree that there are many "what ifs" about the sinking, but I do not believe more lifeboats would have helped in the Titanic's case, providing all other potential variables remained unchanged. Keep in mind that the crew only just had enough time to launch all of the lifeboats from the davits in time, and did not have enough time to launch the collapsibles properly. More lifeboats in this situation only would have slowed their efforts to get the boats ready, and could even have led to fewer boats being launched safely instead of more. Clearer, more accurate information from the stewards to the passengers, however, including letting men into the lifeboats as was procedure (women and children first, not only), thereby increasing the number of people in the boats, would definitely have saved more lives though.
@@irritatedmushroom2 More Life Boats could have helped- but ONLY if they were accompanied with additional training and and crew. the greatest enemy that night was not not having enough lifeboats but not enough time and preparedness. Many third class passengers did not speak English, many of the Crew were inexperience with launching and manning the boats- passengers did not want to follow orders to get into the boats in a timely manner. Titanic's lesson regarding lifeboats is not just about having enough boats but that Lifeboat Drills are every bit as important- As the Costa Concordia Disaster of 2012 showed.
It's also a lesson in safety engineering. This is known as the swiss cheese model. People assume that the number of of things that have to go wrong simultaneously is a protection--and it absolutely is. The problem is that you don't often hear or remember the stories where 10 protections worked and 10 failed, and you may hear the ones where 19 failed and one worked but they aren't as interesting or memorable. Because situations where most of the holes in the cheese line up, and one or a couple hold and prevent the worst of it, happen very often. Sooner or later, voyage after voyage, roll after roll of the dice, somebody is going to roll bankrupt on all 20 wheels.
In spite of all the DRAMATIC music, High Tech lenses & daft celebrity faces.. this scene with just mere words still manages to captivate & traumatize you.. that last line.. please god it won't come to that.. damn.
Best scene in the entire movie. The lighting fixture on the wall is still burning brightly. Reality hasn't set in yet. The office warm, high and dry, for now.
@@espnluver7525 in fairness though, they had help from some of the actual survivors for this movie, and not many of them were still around or old enough to remember what happened when it sank for the 97 movie
Youre thinking of the '97 version. This one has a bigger ensemble cast and focuses on multiple passenger stories including the head baker who was drunk during the whole night.
Victor Graber was the closest in resemblance to Thomas Andrews. Take a look at Victor in costume and look at archive photos of Thomas and see how close they look.
I agree. Rose gave me a pain in the neck with that phoney Lah-De- Dah accent. Jack looked about 12 yrs old. The only character I could tolerate was Molly Brown (Kathy Bates) ...and Victor Garber.. very believable character portrayal....
This version of titanic’s damage being explained is the most chilling version in my book, and i think because unlike other portrayals this one has Andrews completely resigned to what’s going to happen long before he even explains it to Smith all the while he gets to gradually resign himself to what’s to come.
This is SO well delivered and very likely the way they actually discussed their dilemma .. calm & collected and not falling apart till the last few minutes of their lives. More modern films would have them running around like their hair were on fire the moment someone said ice. It was a whole different mindset 100 years ago.
Yes, men's balls clanked whenever they walked and women's boobs clinked also. It's derided today but women back then as homemakers and mothers were the glue that kept families together. The glue is gone as great nations are built on the family unit.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Andrews wasn't nearly as calm as the film depicts, nor should he have been. Reports described him as pale, rushing throughout the ship trying to figure out what areas were/weren't flooding, having panic attacks (as any sane man would, Ismay and the captain were also having panic attacks throughout the night). He wasn't running around screaming "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" but no sane man would be so calm under the circumstances.
Half-Life Scientist probably true. Captain Smith certainly seems to have bee in a state of perpetual shock, judging by his seemingly delayed orders and general behaviour. But when all the facts are considered it is a miracle so many people survived. It was his last crossing before retirement and sinking was not on his to-do list.
@@half-lifescientist1991 quite true - but once reality settled in, he could have easily switched hats from practical troubleshooting engineer to facing larger scheme with certainty and serenity. Also: definitely, mindset of people - audience, creators, actors of the era - was closer to that of real Titanic than of today's audience.
@@half-lifescientist1991 Agree. I don't doubt the `stiff upper lip` has plenty of truth to it, and I'm sure was even more prominent back then. But it's also doubtless exaggerated in a rather self indulgent manner by the British at times. Exhibit A: the apocryphal stories spread post sinking re Smith's heroism and exhortations to `be British` etc. There is an element of mythmaking here I suspect. At any rate, Mr Andrews was a decent chap by all accounts and any with any feeling for the lives of others or his own, knowing 1000 plus are about to die etc, would show a little bit more affect than demonstrated here. He sounds more like he's presenting a documentary about the sinking here, not living it. He was hardly portrayed as panicking in Cameron's film either. Nor, aside perhaps from the at times 'strutting martinet' Lightholler, were the other officers.
For those saying how can they be that calm. First they are British and back in those days we were well known for not panic in the face of doom and for being very Calm and rigged on rules etc. Captain Smith is very scared but only when he alone did he show it. to his crew he projects calm. the crew knows something wrong but they have a duty to do and they will do it until they are released from the company.
Susan A. If they show concern it could spread and cause anxiety and tension. Remember they have hope at this time that rescue ship may come and be close by. There no reason to be that concerned. They now have a job to do to get passengers off the ship in most orderly way. Any sign of panic or nervousness will be picked up by the passengers and could start a panic. We know that officers that night where calm and the evacuation was an relatively orderly until the latter stages when people knew the lifeboats where nearly all gone and the ship bow was underwater. Some office didn’t even know the ship was sinking.
@@Autofleet4429 most of them been at sea before and even been on sinking ships so nothing strange. Being a seaman in the early 20th century was a dangerous job
@@jigartalaviya2340 After films have aged half a century (50 years if you didn't know) they are not remembered for their novelty value or all the hoopla they caused when they were new. Because most of who saw them are either dead or resting without a care in nursing homes. So who preserves the movies and decide which are respected classics and which are not after 50 or more years? Well, not the people. It's the real film enthusiasts and historians (not nerds fixated on a single movie or franchise) who get to watch these with open eyes and how they can be judged on their own merits. It's film scholars, writers, historians, enthusiasts etc. So this is my explanation to you why "A Night to Remember" will still be revered by film enthusiasts and historians whereas "Titanic" from 1997 won't be. Young people in 2050 won't care (fact is quite a lot of young people don't care today already) because they will have their 2050's film to get "fascinated" by. Understand? Cecil B. DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" was a enormous success back in 1956 and fact is that taken inflation into account it made *more* money than Titanic. Have *you* seen this movie? Or even heard of it? Neither would people like you care about some old 1997 movie in 2050. So which do you think has a higher chance to be revered by the film affecionados in 2050?
Almost 40 year career and this was his first major accident. Ironically James Cameron depicted him more accurately in that he kind of went into shock and sort of shut down.
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc actually that’s not true. He was the captain of the Olympic during the HMS Hawke collision. So his first major accident was 6 months prior to the Titanic.
Actually Thomas Andrews wasn't the designer, It was Alexander Carlisle. Mr. Andrews was dubbed the "designer of Titanic" by Hollywood because it made the movie more sensational by having the ships designer go down with her. But in all actuality it was Alexander Carlisle as stated earlier.
Think about the captain's situation at this moment. He realises that there aren't enough boats to save every passenger, with a shortage of 1,000 as a matter of fact. And since it's tradition for the captain to stay on board the longest, it's only mathimatical to know his fate.
Lots of people in the comments are saying that Mr. Andrews is emotionless when explaining the enormity of the situation to Captain Smith. I personally think deep down that Mr. Andrews is just as frightened as anyone else would have been, but had to force himself to stay as calm as possible so as not to worry himself or the captain, as well as to set a good example to all of the passengers and crew. Mr. Andrews knew that there were only enough lifeboats for just over half of the amount of people on board, but looking or acting so frightened would not have helped the situation at all. The best thing that could be done in any situation, as hard as it would have been, would have been to remain as calm as possible so the passengers would not be so scared. I know it was a very serious set of circumstances indeed, and it is easier said than done, I understand, but people panicking about the situation would have caused total chaos. In fact, this did indeed happen in the end shortly before the ship foundered. So many mistakes were made on that voyage. There were only twenty lifeboats on board that could only carry about sixty people each and a lot of these were launched barely half full. Captain Smith was so flabbergasted and shocked by what was going to happen that he did not direct the crew properly to organise the passengers into the lifeboats. Most wireless operators on nearby ships that could have come to the rescue had gone to bed. These days, ship radios have to be listened to twenty-four hours a day. The Titanic had also sailed through the calm yet icy Atlantic Ocean at nearly her full speed that night in spite of iceberg warnings received earlier that day and the fact that it was completely pitch black everywhere, save for the stars and the ship's own lights. However, in those days, sailing at full speed through ice fields was not unheard of and no situation was considered dangerous enough to sink a modern ship at that time. Additionally, the lookouts in the crow's nest had no binoculars due to some confusion of who was left in charge of them. When Captain Smith said, "But she can't sink... She's unsinkable!" I personally thought Mr. Andrews should've said, "No, she isn't, captain. *_No_* ship is unsinkable..." I highly doubt that *_ANY_* ship will be declared to be unsinkable again after this. The Titanic disaster was a tragic and cruel yet eye-opening event for everybody.
Actually, the unsinkable epitaph is a myth. It was never claimed to be unsinkable outside the media, no one from the White Star company ever made this claim. It was said that it was a s unsinkable as humanly possible, ie, all the modern technology available, but never completely unsinkable as is often thought
Your comment is very true, but to even use the word "unsinkable" in any sense to describe any vessel is a grave mistake. The White Star Line may not have declared it to be *COMPLETELY* and *SCIENTIFICALLY* unsinkable, but they certainly thought it was unsinkable enough to only carry enough lifeboats for about 60% of the passengers on board. They also thought it was unsinkable enough to sail at nearly full speed through a dangerous ice field in complete darkness. Lots of lives could have been saved that night if the White Star Line had put the correct safety procedures into practice. Of course, this wasn't realised at the time, but they certainly looked beyond their biggest safety precaution: Expect the unexpected...
@@wt8012 If you read the British and American Inquries, you'll see that it was customary at that time for ships to go into an area of ice at full speed. It was generally thought that unless there was fog, an iceberg or obstacle would have been seen in plenty of time. A few Captain's gave evidence saying it was routine to go at full speed.
@Muttley It was indeed customary for ships to travel at full speed through ice fields. As we have seen, however, this was anything but sensible. The seas and oceans may be vast and wide, but they are still nonetheless extremely dangerous and should have never have been underestimated.
In 2006 I was on a ferry heading home from a summer holiday and the sea was rough, moving all about, I could not hold my balance, and I was nearly sick. Rough seas made me every scared.
Out of all 3 films this was the most detailed explanation on how and why the titanic would sink The 1997 movie was too quick The 1996 TV movie was a bit more clear but also said how they could have reduced the sinking or prevent it all together but this scene Mr. Andrews goes into exact detail on how the ship sinks.
i feel like the 97 one was the most realistic, it was right after it happened and they rushed to tell the captain that the very ship they’re standing on is going to be gone before sunlight. don’t think anyone would be this calm trying to explain in detail why she won’t stay afloat, but rather that she will not and we need to move quickly
I can't help but notice Andrews' words here - "It's a mathematical certainty." He said the same thing in James Cameron's Titanic - was that a coincidence, was it a nod to this movie, or did Andrews actually say that?
I can't believe the interior is that of a ship. It's like an house with the wooden ceiling edges. This vessel was top notch comfort levels for the time. I watched this as a kid in the 80s and was drawn in start to finish and I detested b&w films at the time. Not now though.
Minimize panic to provide the Maximum Opportunity to Evacuate the Women and Children. Once the Lifeboats were launched (except the four collapsible lifeboats), he released the Officers, remaining crew, and passengers to attempt to save themselves. Captain Smith (and everyone else) did not realize there was an extraordinary circumstance that would swiftly kill nearly everyone in the water in a half hour or less! In most circumstances many of the survivors could have survived until dawn, and the arrival of the Carpathia (and other ships coming to the rescue...
Just a shame they did not get his accent correct. Thomas Andrews was born and raised in Northern Ireland, born in Comber, County Down and lived in Belfast for most of his life, so he would most certainly have had a polite, reserved Northern Irish Belfast accent, not a standard RP English accent used here.
@@johnking5174 - In fairness, his education would likely have made sure any hint of a regional accent was lost. Obviously there's no existing audio of Thomas Andrews' voice, but here's a clip of his brother later in life : ua-cam.com/video/e5_Tlo5mv1I/v-deo.html
A lot of people seem incredulous that Capt. Smith and Mr. Andrews could have been so self-possessed in the face of danger. But people in those days were not the self-absorbed hysterics that we are today. They were trained to regard their private emotions as secondary to their duty -- which in this case was to keep calm and save as many people as possible. And the plain historical evidence is that this is how most of the men on the Titanic, crew as well as passengers, did behave.
William S. Yeah it's ammirable those men were incredibly calm and cold blooded during such an emergency, unlike the J.Cameron movie where the Capt and Andrews after realizing Titanic was going to end, get shocked showing clearly their worried looks. I don't know which one of the versions is more accurate
This film is far more realistic, especially as the book it was based upon by the same title drew its narrative from eyewitness testimony. Also, Titanic's Fourth Officer Joseph Boxhall was technical adviser for this movie and himself of course was a direct witness to the events depicted. We can take its depiction of Capt. Smith and Thomas Andrews as credible - or at least more so than James Cameron's drippy romance-in-a-tragedy chick flick version of the sinking.
Captain Smith did not say several times that the ship was unsinkable. There were passengers who repeated that chestnut, but the captain said it only that one time, in the talk with Andrews. As for the christening scene, yes that was pure invention. Partly a concession to popular expectation and partly to showcase the men responsible for the Titanic at the outset of the film. On the podium was Thomas Andrews and J. Bruce Ismay, the director of International Mercantile Marine, owners of White Star Lines. The old geezer in the Gilbert-and-Sullivan commodore's costume behind the podium was Lord Pirrie, the chairman of Harland & Wolff shipbuilders. And yes, ANTR does make the common error of depicting the Titanic sinking in one piece, which had been the conclusion of Lord Mersey's inquiry, despite the testimony of several eyewitnesses that the ship had broken up on the surface, and had become accepted as fact in the years since the tragedy. Robert Ballard's discovery of the wreck in 1985 put that issue beyond all doubt.
Stiff upper lip in the face of adversity, , as is the British way. Or at least it used to be. If there is anything British Protestantism did right, it's introducing this time honored concept.
There's a story from the Korean War. A British unit, the Gloucestershire Regiment of 650 men were holding out against a Chinese division of 10,000 and when an American commander asked about their situation, he was told 'A bit sticky, things are pretty sticky down there." Which if you're British you know means 'Things are bad; send help immediately'. Obviously, the American thought it meant the situation was stable. The regiment was either killed or captured after putting up a ferocious defence but they could have been saved if it hadn't been for the British manner of staying calm and underplaying the seriousness of a situation which was so contrary to our hotblooded cousins across the Pond.
Regarding the lifeboat capacity: the principle at the time was that in the time taken for large ships to sink, a nearby ship could be called, and the lifeboats used to ferry passengers onto the other ship. Problem was, Carpathia was four hours away. Californian was likely much closer, but their sol wireless operator had gone to bed. I'm not defending the 1912 regulations, just saying what they were and why. After the Titanic disaster, I believe it was made a requirement that all ships should carry enough lifeboats for all on board.
This is such a great movie! Every bit as good if nit better than the James Cameron 1997 film. This one still tells the story and shows how horrific that night was.
Even better yet, it has the young man who will later play Dr. Ducky Mallard in "NCIS". I like this version better anyway. More historical. I have a lawyer friend named Morgan Robertson. That was the name of the man who wrote the fictional story of "Futility: Wreck of the Titan", a ship that hit an ice berg and sank before the Titanic did.
What is truly unimaginable is that an author in that same year, i think which was 1912, wrote a book called The Fall of The Titan, the Titan sank exactly the same way as Titanic.
The Wreck of the Titan (Fulitilty) was originally written in 1898. It was later revised in 1912 I would look into reading it I you haven't. I had the pleasure to do so in 1998. 📚 🚢
"She can't sink!" "She can't float." I gotta say, I liked the exchange better in Titanic : "This ship can't sink!" "She's made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can."
@@vespelian5274 Not in the case of the comic book movies. BUT in this case, yes. There was absolutely NO guarantee that Titanic would make any money. Everyone knows how it ends. Everyone knows that every character will most likely die in the end. The fact that Titanic earned 1.8 billion dollars worldwide, drawing people in over and over is a testament to Cameron's skills. For a better detailed analysis of his skills, check this out: ua-cam.com/video/IwPYz9fSQZ4/v-deo.html
My favourite scene; I was very disappointed to see it had been slightly but badly re-arranged in the Cameron version which gives it less dramatic impact. To those commenting on the coolness of the exchange, let me point out that you are listening to two Englishmen of a certain class, schooling and time. Panic is not something the English do much - and certainly not 100 years ago.
manyk o-f the cameron scene was cut in the movie you can see in the collection edition of titanic by cameron s titaanic seems like titanic the night to remember is certainly does not seems like the titanic. you can not compare.
One of the great ironies is that Titanic had more boats than the regulations required for her day (her four collapsible lifeboats stored on the roof of the boat deck next to the funnels). Ships before Titanic were required to carry lifeboats based on tonnage and not passenger capacity, with the largest lifeboat requirements being open-ended for the largest category of tonnage.
In addition, it’s also 4 more lifeboats than what the Olympic and Titanic were originally designed with, since the earliest rendition of them that we know of (Design D, brought about in 1908) showcases only the 16 boats required by the law.
I cannot imagine the horror Capt. Smith felt when told of what was to come. Responsible for 2200 lives and only enough room in the boats for 1200 at most.
'It's a mathematical certainty'. That great line went straight into the later film.
My great-grandfather tried to warn everybody that the Titanic would sink. He tried to tell them over and over but everyone just ignored him and treated him like a loon. He kept trying until they dragged him kicking and screaming from the movie theatre.
Legitimately favourite UA-cam comment of the week.
Bravo! I have not laughed so hard in a long time.
Hahahaha! Fooled me completely!
High five mate
That is funny.
I've never seen a man so calmly calculating how much time he may have left to live.
Yeah I would have been way more frantic.
I was just thinking the same thing. Blimey he's freakin calmer than a cow in India.
They definitely were panicing, unfortunately there was no way to confirm that's because J. Bruce Ismay
Being the only one in that room who survived
this scene in the 97 version was a lot better
@@dutdut2.059 I Disagree with you. This scene is way more acurrate. But everybody is entitled to their own opinions.
Thomas Andrews was an engineer, as such he analyzed the situation, the damage to the ship and gave an engineers analysis. Titanic was going to sink. No apologies.
My fave vignette in the '97 movie is where Andrews, alone in the First Class Dining Room whose deck is already listing visibly, pauses to adjust the hand of the mantle clock by a minute or so, to match the time shown on his no doubt impeccably-correct pocketwatch. Now THAT's an engineer.
What’s even more incredible was that he gave the ship about 1-1.5 hours to sink, yet she was so well built that she lasted nearly twice that long.
@@ColdWarShot True, but of course by the time he gave that assessment there'd been discussions between Captain Smith & his officers, afterwards Andrews was sent for and went to the bridge, then he went below and conducted a tour of the lower levels of the forward section of the ship and returned to the bridge. All of that must've taken some time...
@@ColdWarShot she stayed afloat longer because the engineers stayed in the engine rooms pumping the water out until the pumps were overwhelmed.
I always wondered why the lights stayed on right until the last minute. I found out later the engineers kept moving back into the dry boiler rooms stoking the fires and keeping the electricity working.
They fought tooth and nail to keep her afloat as long as possible. If they literally did nothing to try and stop the flooding, Andrew's prediction of an hour and a half would have been spot on
@@iangarner8857 There was an Electrical Generation "Room" Aft, and near the top of the Engineering spaces (it had an auxiliary petrol motor, so even as the boilers lost steam, they were able to keep the Lights on, and the Radio-Telegraph in operation until the last minutes!
All the Electrical Engineers and technicians Died doing their Duty!
78% of the Crew died! Only 3 of 8 Officers were ordered to take charge of a Lifeboat, the others remained behind. By a near miracle, Second Officer Lightoller also survived (blown into the icy waters, standing on the capsized hull of collapsible lifeboat "D" until picked up by another lifeboat several hours later.
Only the 3 Royal Mail, and 2 US Post Office employees, and All of the Cabin Boys (under 16 years of age), and the Electrical Division of the Engineering Department had All Men and Boys die!
They died, that Others might Live!
When the Captain acknowledges that there aren't enough lifeboats, he's accepting his own fate as well.
Well obviously it is traditional for the captain 'to go down with the ship'. In other words Smith is supposed to be last person to leave the ship.
rstein926 to bad these days if a ship sinks you keep hearing stories of the captain being one of the first to the lifeboat
@@Sofia-bt4yo the Concordia?
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 the captain and crew were disgraceful. Look up the Andrea Doria. The captain and crew behaved excellently and the captain left last.
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The Concordia’s crew and captain was were a disgrace. Or at least the bridge crew were anyway.
The dedication of those two is unbelievable. They both know they will be dead within the next couple of hours but continue to focus on their responsibilities with complete calmness.
True. Unless someone hears the distress signal and gets there in time to get everyone else who can't get into a lifeboat both Captain Smith and Mr. Andrews know they're doomed.
But they keep their composure just as thinking men of their station were expected to do.
"When in trouble or in doubt, run in circles scream and shout!" wasn't an option.
@@wayneantoniazzi2706I think this is the sanitised CAPT. Smith. Irl, the poor bloke was overwhelmed with the gravity of the situation and didn't really command strongly during the evacuation. One of the officers - either Murdoch or Lightoller - found him staring into space when they informed him that the lifeboats were prepared. The officer told Smith that he will load the boats with the women and chillun, but Smith just nodded silently, clearly in shock. It was up to the officers to take the initiative. Smith was stoic and s sympathetic figure, but I think he was complacent and expecting an easy crossing as his swan song.
Arthur Peuchen, an officer of the British empire and first class passenger, didn't think much of Smith's abilities as commander, as you can read on his wiki page. I think he was too harsh, but see above.
I believe I have seen all sound versions of the Titanic films. As much as I enjoyed and was pleased by the financial success of the latest film (starting Leonardo DiCaprio), A Night to Remember still remains my favorite.
I must try to rent this movie or see it somehow on You Tube. I hear good things.
@@m.e.d.7997 Also the 1953 version with Clifton Webb and Barbara Stanwyck is terrific as well !!!!!
they are both good but I have to say this particular scene the 97 version does a much better job. the actor of andrew’s is phenomenal
@@scottmiller6495 I agree 100%. They were both excellent. Very touching at times.
I also prefer A Night to Remember Ship
All you need to know about "A Night to Remember" is that this is the version of the story that the Titanic Society believes is most overall accurate to the actual sinking of the Titanic.
I have heard that. Good to know!
Except the break up
Made before the discovery of the wreck confirmed that the ship had split in half.
Pretty interesting because the physical presentation of how it sank is the least accurate
unless there is a Titanic movie with the V-split theory
Yep. The only thing that they are missing is the hard list to port and the ship breaking in half, but of course they didn't know it back then. In fact, the Titanic 1953 version is the first one to accurately get the hard list to port right. Towards the end it developed a hard list but it wasn't shown in the 1958 or 1997 versions.
This movie explained the situation so well. I tip my hat to these filmmakers.
It's what happened in reality. From the beginning, about half a dozen people knew just how serious the situation was. And how doomed they were.
Especially when they were in the water waiting to be rescued they talked about everything that happened!!!!!
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Best version of the straight story. This actor playing Andrews is in less of a panic, and more like a true engineer.
@john b. The question is what is more realistic. Modern movies often exaggerate in both directions - either the protagonists are hyperactive or they are way to cool super-heroes (or at least try to pretend to). From what I read, Mr Andrews really looked very concerned even to passengers who only watched him passing by during his inspection tour, so I would suggest that his portrayal by Victor Garber in the Cameron movie is more realistic than the calm and dry analysis portrayed in the 1956 movie. But none of us was there and witnessed the events.
t's a good thing he was onboard or no one would have realized the danger until it was too late.
Bad version, I'm an engineer and never seen one act so cold in urgent circumstances
@@amateur_football9751 You're a bad engineer. The man was doing his job. He took on personal responsibility for what was happening.
@@PRR5406imagine showing emotions. The horror. I can't take it when people fear for their lives😢 so unprofessional
The cast was the best. That era of British films where you told the story, no messing and the real life characters carry it.
Just remember for the lobsters in the ship’s kitchen, it was a day of liberation.
Not really, far below their survival depth.
@@goodshipkaraboudjan exactly. Lobsters can’t live 2.5 miles below the surface. Very few ocean creatures can and lobsters aren’t one of them.
Russell Coight who knows, maybe some of them were able to swim off the sinking ship and start a new life for themselves in the Atlantic
Hahahaha
I guess that is one way to look at it. lol
“Titanic” Movie: Jack falls in love with Rose. A romantic love story. Oh, by the way, a ship sinks.
“A Night to Remember”: Titanic and how it sank
Come on, that's an overstatement. There is plenty of room for the story of the tragedy, they just wanted another story to make it work together
@@isaywhateveriwantandyougot7421 Titanic had excellent production values and not much else.
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc If you prefer this movie over that one, than that's cool. It's all a matter of taste, just don't be so harsh on others opinions
To Make it more interesting.
People complain that they didn't show her breaking in half... That's because we didn't know ( for sure) that she did break in half til Dr Robert Ballard found her. 🤷♀️
The best and most respectful Titanic film of all 🕊🙏😇✝️💔
Captain Smith stepping out, hearing the roar of the releasing steam, hearing the death throes of his command...knowing he will die, and many of the passengers of his command will die. Can you imagine a situation like that? Of course you can't. Neither can I.
It's no wonder there are reports that Captain Smith was initially paralyzed with fear and Lightoler had to urge him to start getting people into the boats. That's a huge weight to have on your shoulders knowing that no matter what you do, you much of your crew and many of your passengers are going to die.
He had an almost 40 year career under his belt at that point. Nothing like this had happened to him up to that point.
CAPTAIN: "She can't sink!"
ANDREWS: (deadpan) "She can't float."
Love this movie. A documentary-like feel, excellent performances from everyone, and a creeping sense of suspense and terror even though you know the outcome. Hard o believe that director Roy Ward Baker went from this jewel down to 'The Monster Club' (1981.)
I forget the movie but the Catain says she can`t sink. And the engineer says, "She`s made of iron! She WILL sink!"
Also loved Monster Club
@@Kharkovkid That's from Cameron's Titanic.
This is an incredible ensemble movie.
If you're fond of Roy Ward Baker there's currently a film of his up on UA-cam called 'The One that got Away' starring a young Hardy Kruger. It's about a Luftwaffe pilot who became the only man to escape a British WWII POW camp. It's quite a wry tale, and newcomer Kruger gives it a sort of engaging James Dean swagger. Not as good as A Night to Remember (but what is?) but it is still a pretty entertaining film.
A good line: "I don't think the Board of Trade regulations visualized this kind of situation, do you?"
Seen this film so many times yet it still brings tears to my eyes.
This scene is excellent, it contains one detail that James Cameron got wrong in his movie: when the Titanic hit the iceberg, not five, but actually SIX watertight compartments were flooding. The sixth one, the boiler room number five, was only slightly damaged and the pumps were immediately put into action, so, combined with the fact that watertight doors were closed, that was enough to keep the level of incoming water under control, at least initially...
I think overall it's represented much better in this film as apposed to the 97 film.
I'll bet Andrews was really good at poker. No one would be able to read his emotions.
I've seen this film 3, maybe 4 times, I think it's really good for it's time.
A classic?
Vince Purpura No but very competent portrayal.
Definitely a classic.
Quentin Macaque I wash my mouth out at the suggestion it is anything but.
It is to this day the best telling of the whole tragedy !!!!!
I could say that for sure. Cameron's movie is a lot more epic and dramatic but once again, this was very impressive for the time
Love the moment when Captain Smith pauses at 2:40 to pull himself together before telling his staff the terrible news. The real Captain Smith must've wanted to curl up in the fetal position. Sadly, this was to be Smith's last voyage before retiring. He had a great record as a captain. Imagine being Captain Smith and knowing that this massive screw-up, and all the needless deaths will be what you'll be known for. Neither Smith nor Andrews appear to have even tried to save themselves. The last time Andrews was seen, he was sitting in the dining hall staring at a painting. The enormity of the tragedy must have been soul destroying for the guy who designed the ship. Walter Lord, author of "A Night To Remember", summed it up beautifully: "If she had seen the berg 15 seconds sooner--or 15 seconds later....if she had hit the ice any other way...if her watertight bulkheads had been one deck higher...if she had carried enough boats...if the Californian had only come. Had any one of these "ifs" turned out right, every life might have been saved. But they all went against her---a classic Greek tragedy."
The book called On A Sea Of Glass has some great information regarding Captain Smith and Thomas Andrews in the latter stages of the sinking. There are several witness accounts of Smith and Andrews appearing to swim off from the boat deck, with Andrews saying something along the lines of "We have to go, she's going down". Andrews was never seen again. It's a shame A Night To Remember does not show this. However, there are some suggestions that it was Captain Smith who swam up to the overturned boat and was told there is no space, to which he responded "goodnight, god bless you" before swimming off, never to be seen again. This scene was also depicted in the film, though as possible as it is that such an exchange happened between two people and that it could indeed have involved Captain Smith, it has never been confirmed and most likely now never will be. The film does well to show the scene but not assume who the individual was.
I agree that there are many "what ifs" about the sinking, but I do not believe more lifeboats would have helped in the Titanic's case, providing all other potential variables remained unchanged. Keep in mind that the crew only just had enough time to launch all of the lifeboats from the davits in time, and did not have enough time to launch the collapsibles properly. More lifeboats in this situation only would have slowed their efforts to get the boats ready, and could even have led to fewer boats being launched safely instead of more. Clearer, more accurate information from the stewards to the passengers, however, including letting men into the lifeboats as was procedure (women and children first, not only), thereby increasing the number of people in the boats, would definitely have saved more lives though.
@@irritatedmushroom2 More Life Boats could have helped- but ONLY if they were accompanied with additional training and and crew. the greatest enemy that night was not not having enough lifeboats but not enough time and preparedness. Many third class passengers did not speak English, many of the Crew were inexperience with launching and manning the boats- passengers did not want to follow orders to get into the boats in a timely manner.
Titanic's lesson regarding lifeboats is not just about having enough boats but that Lifeboat Drills are every bit as important- As the Costa Concordia Disaster of 2012 showed.
yesh its usually many small tings that go wrong that acumulate into a disaster. basically incompetence ovr n ovr caused vis.
It's also a lesson in safety engineering. This is known as the swiss cheese model. People assume that the number of of things that have to go wrong simultaneously is a protection--and it absolutely is. The problem is that you don't often hear or remember the stories where 10 protections worked and 10 failed, and you may hear the ones where 19 failed and one worked but they aren't as interesting or memorable. Because situations where most of the holes in the cheese line up, and one or a couple hold and prevent the worst of it, happen very often. Sooner or later, voyage after voyage, roll after roll of the dice, somebody is going to roll bankrupt on all 20 wheels.
1958: "She's going to sink, Captain."
2018: "You're fawked, Captain..."
More like "We're fawked, Captain..."
2021:"Hey...Its going down bro"
@@sanderkonto297 2024: ngl we’re cooked
107 years ago tonight, on April 14m 2019.
I’m still soo fascinated by titanic but I don’t let titanic stop me from enjoying/going on the cruises that I luv
109 years ago tonight, on April 14m 2021.
In spite of all the DRAMATIC music, High Tech lenses & daft celebrity faces.. this scene with just mere words still manages to captivate & traumatize you.. that last line.. please god it won't come to that.. damn.
Oh my God what brilliant acting and telling of one of the most horrible ship disasters of all time !!!!!
Such a well acted scene. Thank you for posting this. +1
Best scene in the entire movie. The lighting fixture on the wall is still burning brightly. Reality hasn't set in yet. The office warm, high and dry, for now.
I like how Lightoller, Moody and Ismay look at each other at 3:09 as though they are thinking ‘Is the Captain joking?’
Shut up
I saw the Cameron movie in 1997 three times, that was enough. A Night To Remember, I can never see enough times.
Amazing considering a movie from 1958 is a whole lot more accurate than a movie from 1997
@@espnluver7525 Agreed!!!!!
@@espnluver7525 in fairness though, they had help from some of the actual survivors for this movie, and not many of them were still around or old enough to remember what happened when it sank for the 97 movie
Same here. I watched Cameron's film maybe 3 times: Once in the theater and twice on video. I always go back to A Night To Remember.
The look on Capt Smith face (even though was acted) is superb- he knew this was it for him and many others.
This movie is about a ship sinking. 'Titanic' is a love story in which a ship sinks.
not that there's anything wrong with that, it just depends on taste
A piss poor "love story".
Youre thinking of the '97 version. This one has a bigger ensemble cast and focuses on multiple passenger stories including the head baker who was drunk during the whole night.
What a pleasure to not have to see Rose and Jack. But the I enjoy the 1997 version of this scene. Victor Garber does a wonderful job.
Victor Graber was the closest in resemblance to Thomas Andrews. Take a look at Victor in costume and look at archive photos of Thomas and see how close they look.
There's nothing wrong with Jack and Rose. How juvenile. That's like bitching about Rick and Ilsa or Scarlet and Rhett.
ktpinnacle Rose and Jack were terminally annoying and got in the way of a good sinking.
I agree. Rose gave me a pain in the neck with that phoney Lah-De- Dah accent. Jack looked about 12 yrs old. The only character I could tolerate was Molly Brown (Kathy Bates) ...and Victor Garber.. very believable character portrayal....
"She's made of iron sir, I assure you she can, and will."
Amazing movie! This book/movie kept interest in the Titanic alive. The sets are also great for the 1950’s
This version of titanic’s damage being explained is the most chilling version in my book, and i think because unlike other portrayals this one has Andrews completely resigned to what’s going to happen long before he even explains it to Smith all the while he gets to gradually resign himself to what’s to come.
Sometimes you just can’t beat this black n white golden oldies!!!
This is SO well delivered and very likely the way they actually discussed their dilemma .. calm & collected and not falling apart till the last few minutes of their lives.
More modern films would have them running around like their hair were on fire the moment someone said ice.
It was a whole different mindset 100 years ago.
Yes, men's balls clanked whenever they walked and women's boobs clinked also. It's derided today but women back then as homemakers and mothers were the glue that kept families together. The glue is gone as great nations are built on the family unit.
Zaphod Beeblebrox Andrews wasn't nearly as calm as the film depicts, nor should he have been. Reports described him as pale, rushing throughout the ship trying to figure out what areas were/weren't flooding, having panic attacks (as any sane man would, Ismay and the captain were also having panic attacks throughout the night). He wasn't running around screaming "WE'RE ALL GONNA DIE!!!" but no sane man would be so calm under the circumstances.
Half-Life Scientist probably true. Captain Smith certainly seems to have bee in a state of perpetual shock, judging by his seemingly delayed orders and general behaviour. But when all the facts are considered it is a miracle so many people survived. It was his last crossing before retirement and sinking was not on his to-do list.
@@half-lifescientist1991 quite true - but once reality settled in, he could have easily switched hats from practical troubleshooting engineer to facing larger scheme with certainty and serenity. Also: definitely, mindset of people - audience, creators, actors of the era - was closer to that of real Titanic than of today's audience.
@@half-lifescientist1991 Agree. I don't doubt the `stiff upper lip` has plenty of truth to it, and I'm sure was even more prominent back then. But it's also doubtless exaggerated in a rather self indulgent manner by the British at times. Exhibit A: the apocryphal stories spread post sinking re Smith's heroism and exhortations to `be British` etc. There is an element of mythmaking here I suspect.
At any rate, Mr Andrews was a decent chap by all accounts and any with any feeling for the lives of others or his own, knowing 1000 plus are about to die etc, would show a little bit more affect than demonstrated here. He sounds more like he's presenting a documentary about the sinking here, not living it.
He was hardly portrayed as panicking in Cameron's film either. Nor, aside perhaps from the at times 'strutting martinet' Lightholler, were the other officers.
For those saying how can they be that calm. First they are British and back in those days we were well known for not panic in the face of doom and for being very Calm and rigged on rules etc. Captain Smith is very scared but only when he alone did he show it. to his crew he projects calm. the crew knows something wrong but they have a duty to do and they will do it until they are released from the company.
It is just a little too calm and unconcerned.
Susan A. If they show concern it could spread and cause anxiety and tension. Remember they have hope at this time that rescue ship may come and be close by. There no reason to be that concerned. They now have a job to do to get passengers off the ship in most orderly way. Any sign of panic or nervousness will be picked up by the passengers and could start a panic. We know that officers that night where calm and the evacuation was an relatively orderly until the latter stages when people knew the lifeboats where nearly all gone and the ship bow was underwater. Some office didn’t even know the ship was sinking.
A classic combination of shock, early 20th century macho, and also possibly Asperger's syndrome with the way Andrews presented
You also need to remember most of the officers are Navy men, the vast majority of them were in the RNR at the time of the sinking.
@@Autofleet4429 most of them been at sea before and even been on sinking ships so nothing strange. Being a seaman in the early 20th century was a dangerous job
Still the best Titanic movie.
Nah..i like the 1997 better.
@@jigartalaviya2340 After films have aged half a century (50 years if you didn't know) they are not remembered for their novelty value or all the hoopla they caused when they were new. Because most of who saw them are either dead or resting without a care in nursing homes. So who preserves the movies and decide which are respected classics and which are not after 50 or more years? Well, not the people. It's the real film enthusiasts and historians (not nerds fixated on a single movie or franchise) who get to watch these with open eyes and how they can be judged on their own merits. It's film scholars, writers, historians, enthusiasts etc.
So this is my explanation to you why "A Night to Remember" will still be revered by film enthusiasts and historians whereas "Titanic" from 1997 won't be. Young people in 2050 won't care (fact is quite a lot of young people don't care today already) because they will have their 2050's film to get "fascinated" by. Understand? Cecil B. DeMille's "The Ten Commandments" was a enormous success back in 1956 and fact is that taken inflation into account it made *more* money than Titanic. Have *you* seen this movie? Or even heard of it? Neither would people like you care about some old 1997 movie in 2050.
So which do you think has a higher chance to be revered by the film affecionados in 2050?
jigar talaviya….moron
+jigar talaviya….very mature - did your mommy help you with your reply?
@@tucoramirez4558 dftly the 1997 one and i like The Night to Remember
"It is a mathematical certainty"
Capt "Well it's a good thing I was never good at math then"
I feel so bad for The Captain. What a terrible hurt that must have been.
Ikr finding out ur ship is doomed
Almost 40 year career and this was his first major accident. Ironically James Cameron depicted him more accurately in that he kind of went into shock and sort of shut down.
@@Thunderchild-gz4gc actually that’s not true. He was the captain of the Olympic during the HMS Hawke collision. So his first major accident was 6 months prior to the Titanic.
Best scene from the entire movie!
On this day, February 7, 1873 , Thomas Andrews, Titanic designer , was born.
Beautiful, thank you for that! RIP Mr. Andrews.
Actually Thomas Andrews wasn't the designer, It was Alexander Carlisle. Mr. Andrews was dubbed the "designer of Titanic" by Hollywood because it made the movie more sensational by having the ships designer go down with her. But in all actuality it was Alexander Carlisle as stated earlier.
@@petergriffin383
You know what grinds my gears?
@@vincepurpura8905 People saying Thomas Andrews designed the Titanic really grinds my gears.
Terri Bey then he died on April 15, 1912
Think about the captain's situation at this moment. He realises that there aren't enough boats to save every passenger, with a shortage of 1,000 as a matter of fact. And since it's tradition for the captain to stay on board the longest, it's only mathimatical to know his fate.
Hence the line, "pray it doesn't come to that."
They explain this a lot better in this movie than in Titanic. A more detailed description
Lots of people in the comments are saying that Mr. Andrews is emotionless when explaining the enormity of the situation to Captain Smith. I personally think deep down that Mr. Andrews is just as frightened as anyone else would have been, but had to force himself to stay as calm as possible so as not to worry himself or the captain, as well as to set a good example to all of the passengers and crew. Mr. Andrews knew that there were only enough lifeboats for just over half of the amount of people on board, but looking or acting so frightened would not have helped the situation at all. The best thing that could be done in any situation, as hard as it would have been, would have been to remain as calm as possible so the passengers would not be so scared. I know it was a very serious set of circumstances indeed, and it is easier said than done, I understand, but people panicking about the situation would have caused total chaos. In fact, this did indeed happen in the end shortly before the ship foundered.
So many mistakes were made on that voyage. There were only twenty lifeboats on board that could only carry about sixty people each and a lot of these were launched barely half full. Captain Smith was so flabbergasted and shocked by what was going to happen that he did not direct the crew properly to organise the passengers into the lifeboats. Most wireless operators on nearby ships that could have come to the rescue had gone to bed. These days, ship radios have to be listened to twenty-four hours a day. The Titanic had also sailed through the calm yet icy Atlantic Ocean at nearly her full speed that night in spite of iceberg warnings received earlier that day and the fact that it was completely pitch black everywhere, save for the stars and the ship's own lights. However, in those days, sailing at full speed through ice fields was not unheard of and no situation was considered dangerous enough to sink a modern ship at that time. Additionally, the lookouts in the crow's nest had no binoculars due to some confusion of who was left in charge of them.
When Captain Smith said, "But she can't sink... She's unsinkable!" I personally thought Mr. Andrews should've said, "No, she isn't, captain. *_No_* ship is unsinkable..."
I highly doubt that *_ANY_* ship will be declared to be unsinkable again after this. The Titanic disaster was a tragic and cruel yet eye-opening event for everybody.
Actually, the unsinkable epitaph is a myth. It was never claimed to be unsinkable outside the media, no one from the White Star company ever made this claim. It was said that it was a s unsinkable as humanly possible, ie, all the modern technology available, but never completely unsinkable as is often thought
Your comment is very true, but to even use the word "unsinkable" in any sense to describe any vessel is a grave mistake. The White Star Line may not have declared it to be *COMPLETELY* and *SCIENTIFICALLY* unsinkable, but they certainly thought it was unsinkable enough to only carry enough lifeboats for about 60% of the passengers on board. They also thought it was unsinkable enough to sail at nearly full speed through a dangerous ice field in complete darkness.
Lots of lives could have been saved that night if the White Star Line had put the correct safety procedures into practice. Of course, this wasn't realised at the time, but they certainly looked beyond their biggest safety precaution:
Expect the unexpected...
@@wt8012 If you read the British and American Inquries, you'll see that it was customary at that time for ships to go into an area of ice at full speed. It was generally thought that unless there was fog, an iceberg or obstacle would have been seen in plenty of time. A few Captain's gave evidence saying it was routine to go at full speed.
@@wt8012 And also, the faster you go, the faster you get out of the area of ice.
@Muttley It was indeed customary for ships to travel at full speed through ice fields. As we have seen, however, this was anything but sensible. The seas and oceans may be vast and wide, but they are still nonetheless extremely dangerous and should have never have been underestimated.
The best Titanic movie!
Debatable.
I remember seeing this movie as a young child and it terrified me. I still won’t go on a cruise!
In 2006 I was on a ferry heading home from a summer holiday and the sea was rough, moving all about, I could not hold my balance, and I was nearly sick. Rough seas made me every scared.
A sad but great movie
Out of all 3 films this was the most detailed explanation on how and why the titanic would sink The 1997 movie was too quick The 1996 TV movie was a bit more clear but also said how they could have reduced the sinking or prevent it all together but this scene Mr. Andrews goes into exact detail on how the ship sinks.
i feel like the 97 one was the most realistic, it was right after it happened and they rushed to tell the captain that the very ship they’re standing on is going to be gone before sunlight. don’t think anyone would be this calm trying to explain in detail why she won’t stay afloat, but rather that she will not and we need to move quickly
I can't help but notice Andrews' words here - "It's a mathematical certainty." He said the same thing in James Cameron's Titanic - was that a coincidence, was it a nod to this movie, or did Andrews actually say that?
Proud to have this on blue ray best TITANIC movie!!!!
Ismay's face when Captain Smith acknowledges that there aren't enough lifeboats says it all
A night everyone involved would rather forget.
I can't believe the interior is that of a ship. It's like an house with the wooden ceiling edges. This vessel was top notch comfort levels for the time.
I watched this as a kid in the 80s and was drawn in start to finish and I detested b&w films at the time. Not now though.
As an intersting act, the interior was built based on the plans of the ship itself. It was a very expensive film.
No example is better portrayed than this, when it comes to the saying: "Silence before the storm"
Great film this
Remember these were different times to today
Men were frowned apon if they panicked
This scene was also in the 1997 film. "It's a mathematical certainty" is also in the 1997 film.
i prefer this one over the 97 one. this focused more on the titanic , not the corny love story
0:28, This is the turning point of this classic movie!
1.55 "there must be no panic" later on in the film through a megaphone "ABANDON SHIP EVERY MAN FOR HIMSELF"
Minimize panic to provide the Maximum Opportunity to Evacuate the Women and Children.
Once the Lifeboats were launched (except the four collapsible lifeboats), he released the Officers, remaining crew, and passengers to attempt to save themselves. Captain Smith (and everyone else) did not realize there was an extraordinary circumstance that would swiftly kill nearly everyone in the water in a half hour or less! In most circumstances many of the survivors could have survived until dawn, and the arrival of the Carpathia (and other ships coming to the rescue...
do not forget that this tragedy resulting that all ships now have life boats for all and 24-7 radio watch on all ships.
And how far technology and safety advanced ships have become since then
“But this ship can’t sink”
“She can’t float”
With that amount of underwater damage she can't stay afloat.
I can only imagine what these two men were thinking as they discussed their own demise.
This portrayal of Andrew actually...i prefer this one. More collected, calm and well-mannered, perfectly captures the real mr Andrew.
Just a shame they did not get his accent correct. Thomas Andrews was born and raised in Northern Ireland, born in Comber, County Down and lived in Belfast for most of his life, so he would most certainly have had a polite, reserved Northern Irish Belfast accent, not a standard RP English accent used here.
Lol it's awful
@@johnking5174 - In fairness, his education would likely have made sure any hint of a regional accent was lost. Obviously there's no existing audio of Thomas Andrews' voice, but here's a clip of his brother later in life : ua-cam.com/video/e5_Tlo5mv1I/v-deo.html
Crazy how calm this actor is.
"I Don't think the board of trade regulations visualized this situation......02:15
The Best Break Down Of The Devastation, & Demise Of One Of The Most Glamorous Ships Of Her Time.
David MaCallum and Kenneth Griffiths (playing Bride and Phillips respectively) would be reunited in an episode of Colditz many years later.
Before iceberg: She is unsinkable!
After Iceberg: She is sinkable!
0:30 As if in a classroom, Andrew said at leisure “Now I will teach you how titanic sank” “do you agree?”
The best Titanic movie made!!
The greatest of all titanic films
A lot of people seem incredulous that Capt. Smith and Mr. Andrews could have been so self-possessed in the face of danger. But people in those days were not the self-absorbed hysterics that we are today. They were trained to regard their private emotions as secondary to their duty -- which in this case was to keep calm and save as many people as possible. And the plain historical evidence is that this is how most of the men on the Titanic, crew as well as passengers, did behave.
William S. Yeah it's ammirable those men were incredibly calm and cold blooded during such an emergency, unlike the J.Cameron movie where the Capt and Andrews after realizing Titanic was going to end, get shocked showing clearly their worried looks. I don't know which one of the versions is more accurate
This film is far more realistic, especially as the book it was based upon by the same title drew its narrative from eyewitness testimony. Also, Titanic's Fourth Officer Joseph Boxhall was technical adviser for this movie and himself of course was a direct witness to the events depicted. We can take its depiction of Capt. Smith and Thomas Andrews as credible - or at least more so than James Cameron's drippy romance-in-a-tragedy chick flick version of the sinking.
Captain Smith did not say several times that the ship was unsinkable. There were passengers who repeated that chestnut, but the captain said it only that one time, in the talk with Andrews.
As for the christening scene, yes that was pure invention. Partly a concession to popular expectation and partly to showcase the men responsible for the Titanic at the outset of the film. On the podium was Thomas Andrews and J. Bruce Ismay, the director of International Mercantile Marine, owners of White Star Lines. The old geezer in the Gilbert-and-Sullivan commodore's costume behind the podium was Lord Pirrie, the chairman of Harland & Wolff shipbuilders.
And yes, ANTR does make the common error of depicting the Titanic sinking in one piece, which had been the conclusion of Lord Mersey's inquiry, despite the testimony of several eyewitnesses that the ship had broken up on the surface, and had become accepted as fact in the years since the tragedy. Robert Ballard's discovery of the wreck in 1985 put that issue beyond all doubt.
Stiff upper lip in the face of adversity, , as is the British way. Or at least it used to be. If there is anything British Protestantism did right, it's introducing this time honored concept.
There's a story from the Korean War. A British unit, the Gloucestershire Regiment of 650 men were holding out against a Chinese division of 10,000 and when an American commander asked about their situation, he was told 'A bit sticky, things are pretty sticky down there." Which if you're British you know means 'Things are bad; send help immediately'. Obviously, the American thought it meant the situation was stable.
The regiment was either killed or captured after putting up a ferocious defence but they could have been saved if it hadn't been for the British manner of staying calm and underplaying the seriousness of a situation which was so contrary to our hotblooded cousins across the Pond.
This remains the best Titanic movie out there. Black and white photography is very effective.
Regarding the lifeboat capacity: the principle at the time was that in the time taken for large ships to sink, a nearby ship could be called, and the lifeboats used to ferry passengers onto the other ship. Problem was, Carpathia was four hours away. Californian was likely much closer, but their sol wireless operator had gone to bed.
I'm not defending the 1912 regulations, just saying what they were and why. After the Titanic disaster, I believe it was made a requirement that all ships should carry enough lifeboats for all on board.
The chill of Andrews here ir great
And unreal
This is such a great movie! Every bit as good if nit better than the James Cameron 1997 film. This one still tells the story and shows how horrific that night was.
I'll be honest, I prefer this film over the James Cameron one.
Very accurate the radio operator did come down in pajamas after impact. He lived.
Andrew's explanation in this movie is much better than in the Cameron movie.
Even better yet, it has the young man who will later play Dr. Ducky Mallard in "NCIS". I like this version better anyway. More historical. I have a lawyer friend named Morgan Robertson. That was the name of the man who wrote the fictional story of "Futility: Wreck of the Titan", a ship that hit an ice berg and sank before the Titanic did.
BY FAR the best movie ever made about the sinking of the Titanic. Laurence Naismith could have been the real Captain Smith - brilliant acting.
What is truly unimaginable is that an author in that same year, i think which was 1912, wrote a book called The Fall of The Titan, the Titan sank exactly the same way as Titanic.
Thanks for the thumbs up!
The Wreck of the Titan (Fulitilty) was originally written in 1898. It was later revised in 1912 I would look into reading it I you haven't. I had the pleasure to do so in 1998. 📚 🚢
The best Thomas Andrews ever...
"She can't sink!"
"She can't float."
I gotta say, I liked the exchange better in Titanic :
"This ship can't sink!"
"She's made of iron, sir. I assure you, she can."
"She can... and she will."
It's a mathematical certainty.
Except she was made of steel not iron.
@@hereandthere4763 Iron is the metallic element within steel.
@@Serotrance Yes I know but they're not the same thing and have very different characteristics.
This is by far the best Titanic movie and captures the attitude of the time perfectly infinitely superior to Cameron's effort
That's reaching. Titanic became the 6th most popular film ever made for good reason.
@@LukeLovesRose Popularity is not necessarily a testament of quality.
@@vespelian5274 Not in the case of the comic book movies. BUT in this case, yes. There was absolutely NO guarantee that Titanic would make any money. Everyone knows how it ends. Everyone knows that every character will most likely die in the end. The fact that Titanic earned 1.8 billion dollars worldwide, drawing people in over and over is a testament to Cameron's skills.
For a better detailed analysis of his skills, check this out: ua-cam.com/video/IwPYz9fSQZ4/v-deo.html
Vespelian are Academy Awards a testament of quality? Because I think Titanic won 12 including best director and picture.
John Bruce Ahhhh. Therefore it is certainly a better film! Flawless logic, as opposed to actually criticising each film on their specific merits.
My favourite scene; I was very disappointed to see it had been slightly but badly re-arranged in the Cameron version which gives it less dramatic impact. To those commenting on the coolness of the exchange, let me point out that you are listening to two Englishmen of a certain class, schooling and time. Panic is not something the English do much - and certainly not 100 years ago.
OMG. Really? Why the fuck is this a competition with you people? You sound like Marvel Comics fanboys bitching at DC fanboys.
It's also worth pointing out that Thomas Andrews was not English.
He was Scots!
@@LukeLovesRose calm down jesus fuck
manyk o-f the cameron scene was cut in the movie you can see in the collection edition of titanic by cameron s titaanic seems like titanic the night to remember is certainly does not seems like the titanic. you can not compare.
the far better movie
This clip should be used in documentaries about the Titanic.
I think this movie is better than the 1997 version!!
Titanic 1997 and A night to remember
Both are masterpiece❤
Great movie. Great stars...
One of the great ironies is that Titanic had more boats than the regulations required for her day (her four collapsible lifeboats stored on the roof of the boat deck next to the funnels). Ships before Titanic were required to carry lifeboats based on tonnage and not passenger capacity, with the largest lifeboat requirements being open-ended for the largest category of tonnage.
In addition, it’s also 4 more lifeboats than what the Olympic and Titanic were originally designed with, since the earliest rendition of them that we know of (Design D, brought about in 1908) showcases only the 16 boats required by the law.
I cannot imagine the horror Capt. Smith felt when told of what was to come. Responsible for 2200 lives and only enough room in the boats for 1200 at most.
Sort of like Lord Jim. 800 people, six lifeboats..
Andrews:she’s going to sink
smith:she cant sink..she unsinkable
me:shes going to sink
This IS the real Titanic movie, not the new love story Decappio hollywooded version. This is the historical one to watch. A masterpiece.
@Sarah who asked you ?
Captain. Edward. J.S: but she can’t sink, she is unsinkable.
Masterdesigner Thomas Andrews: But she can’t stay afloat.
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Kenneth Griffiths is Phillips the radio operator.
Great actor. Lots of young future famous stars here. James Bond and Q are both here.
Me: We're gonna f***"*g sink captain we're gonna sink 😭
Andrews: let's go to the drawing board and I'll slowly explain how we're gonna die
Brilliant acting and brilliant script forget about titanic 1997 this is the movie to watch
UA-cam Viewer Agreed it was the best telling of this disaster!!!!!
Horse's Ass...
That is hands down the best icon I've seen. Well done old man!
Thank you!