I agree with this completely. Classic was never designed to be minmaxed, but I'd be foolish to assume the playerbase wouldn't try to pick the best class. I did try to be fair and rank everything and explain the pros and cons. I wish it was more viable though.
Warning, if you want to play feral Druid in high level raiding you will be spending way too much time farming the stupid Manual Crown Pummeler from Gnomeregan, at least until you get AQ40 weapon.
@@Danny_79why would anyone take or give gear to a feral who doesn’t want to farm the best possible dps increase they can get? Even better than any piece of raid gear you would want.
@@Danny_79 not only do you need it, you can only use the effect on it once and it only lasts 30 seconds.. So you have to farm it over and over and over so you can keep bringing 20 new ones to raid. On top of any other consumables you need for raid. It’s one of the worst ‘optimizations’ that anyone ever discovered for a class for raiding in Classic. But without it, feral is barely viable for raiding.
I just love druids too much to not play them lol. But I hate healing. That's why I'll go only for honor gear till I can get to BWL or AQ without the very much stupid MCP farming. I'm not a kid anymore to have such time to waste doing this sh*t.
”play what you want” doesn’t apply when 90% of the community are sweatlords who won’t invite you. Play what you want but don’t be surprised if you can’t get content done
@@TheWowzz pretty much why i might be planning to make a guild of my own and bring anyone and anything in the raids "play what u want and how u want" would be a good moto
@ believe it or not, most guilds don’t want to just waste all that leather and mail loot so there’s definitely room for a couple meme specs It’s not ideal like it was in SoD and mostly the reason I will be quitting Classic after SoD is done
Very fair ranking of the classes and specs. The only thing I would add is that things like Faerie Fire(druid) and Curse of Recklessness(warlock) will guarantee those classes at least 1 raid spot in every guild, even in "bad" spec. Even true of Shadow Vulnerability(Shadow Priest) although not as much.
I think you're wrong about feral druids. Prot warriors may take less damage because of their shield, but they're nowhere near the same level of threat output. At the same time, feral druids do nearly as much threat (albeit not for AOE) as fury prots, but they take less damage. Overall I do think I'd want a fury prot MT, but after that a capable feral tank at 2 or 3. Deep prot really shouldn't be a thing anymore unless your heals just suck.
I agree with this. I was basing this off average player skill. As the requirements for a good bear are drastically higher than that of a good Deep Prot
Based on what I can see, it has been removed as one of the few changes they've done for Classic. But I don't want to officially confirm that till the servers go live and people can test it.
In Naxx, Enhancement Shaman is 3rd behind rogues on singleboss fights and around the same dps as feral overall in the raid. That's about double the ret's perf 🔥
I freaking love boomies, but the truth is that they suck in PVE. Now, PVP it's one of the funnest specs to play. Druids in general. Because of their hybrid nature, good druid players are a nightmare to beat.
Good video. Never seen anything like it before 😂 We should be talking about player restrictions as a game mode. We know this turned into hardcore wow so we have “history”. I think it should be “meta raiding”. Since each faction has 8 classes and raids are 40 man.. then it seems we should have 5 of each class to make a “meta raid”. If we do this we can create an entire new raid structure for players who want to do their own thing. Since the content will be harder; if not the hardest since you have to find the exact number of each class; you get 1 extra item per boss. Making a higher drop rate IS something we know they can do. All they would have to do is put a trigger to check for raid comp at time of boss kill. We would see shadow priests because you would not bring 5 healing priest; it’s not efficient. You would want warrior DPS so you would need other tanks. This fixes the stale meta of raiding. If blizzard embraced this; it could change classic forever.
I love the base idea in theory, but not a fan of each boss awarding 1 more item, that's too many items in one night. Maybe 33-50% more chance of 1 extra item dropping per boss, but still idk. Regardless Blizzard will never do that, BUT, I will write that idea down and add it to my list for the upcoming private server I will create in the future.
@ I like the % thing. What would be baller is if they could make it so spec diversity increases that upto 100%. So you might want to run a survival hunter and enhance shaman to increase that % of an extra drop. We will all be geared each phase just by showing up. I think the most important part is slowing us down and creating new situations; like a enhancement shaman and survival hunter arguing over who is better DPS 😂
@@wartome3196 Not sure how a system could enforce that, besides counting the amount of talent points each players have in any given talent try. I guess... a player would need to allocate the last point of a talent tree for it to count.
@ yeah it’s not perfect but it was add something unique to the guilds who wanted to complete the raids in this way. Too late now but we really needed a guild pvp rating system so guilds could challenge one another and set times for the battle grounds. Post the scores and times online so everyone can look for cheating.
I love to have a guide which tells what spells which specs are using. If I got this right boomkin is there for a reason since you only have 2 buttons to press. Not sure if this is fun, even if you would deal dmg.
Im middle aged with no time for min/maxing. Whos starting a fun guild on the PVP server that lets people play whatever the fuck they want and still raid? Im going druid bear tank/healer.
All teh people talkign about why people need to min max a 20 year old game, when it is clearly teh job of the developer to adjust systems to the playstyle of current generations. teh whole argument woudl be mute if the dps woudl be balanced. It is the absolute easiest answer to this whole debate. Saying it is ok to suck is mute because the whole uneven balance just stemms from teh developer not beign able to polish. Why else woudl teh balance in the first expansion already be sooooo much more even?
dont even care about raiding in vanilla been doing that for 5 years nowjust want tbc. WHAT MORE IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY LET US STAY IN TBC ERA FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Seriously people, just play what you find fun, or the class fantasy you enjoy No way I'm joining a guild that will be stacking warriors, just saying. Game is more fun with a balanced group where people play what they want, it doesn't matter it a boss takes 1 minute instead of 30 seconds ! :)
Find my post above about meta raiding and start spreading the idea. 5 of each class per raid for 1 more item of loot. It’s a player made “heroic raid” with minor dev support.
this is just dumb. Vanilla can be played with one foot. on the keyboard lol. It is the most simplistic version of the game. Play what class you want, no one cares, and if anyone does then they take this 3rd time release way way to serious lol
I understand its only parsing in raid but putting ele shaman below boomkin is criminal. More dmg, more utility, best mana efficiency, can offheal... 1global noobs lol
I’m seeing tons of “play what you want” comments yet people are living in fantasy land. Your raid will be 50%+ warriors and if you want to do damage - you play fury warrior. Copium is strong.
Classic will only be good when they do micro changes to some classes or gear to make them more viable in raids and other areas... and no, not to SODs extent of changes. Can easily be done
@@ponds812giving Paladin a taunt and a shield wall would be more than enough to make them work for raiding and not really have any effect outside of the color of the raid frame the healer sees….
Buddy these videos have been done a fucking million times and all they do is make the game worse. Just play the damn game and enjoy it for what it is, raiding in vanilla is almost as easy as breathing oxygen.
This is what I dislike the most about todays classic community. Focused entierly on dps, parses, whats the best, what is bis, etc....
Many games are like that, but in the case of Classic, we're talking a 20 year old game. I'd be surprised if people weren't trying to min max.
I agree with this completely. Classic was never designed to be minmaxed, but I'd be foolish to assume the playerbase wouldn't try to pick the best class. I did try to be fair and rank everything and explain the pros and cons. I wish it was more viable though.
There is nothing stopping you from forming a group of like minded players.
I think this video was a very fair and accurate depiction of what to expect in fresh, hate it or not, it is what it is.
That's one of the reasons why Season of Discovery exists. Give a more balanced approach to the game and make more playstyles viable.
Best advice: play what ever you enjoy the most, it’s not a damn job.
I completely agree. Step 1: Play what you want. Step 2: Find a group that isn't sweaty af to play w/
Warning, if you want to play feral Druid in high level raiding you will be spending way too much time farming the stupid Manual Crown Pummeler from Gnomeregan, at least until you get AQ40 weapon.
Possible to play feral dps without that weapon?
@@Danny_79why would anyone take or give gear to a feral who doesn’t want to farm the best possible dps increase they can get? Even better than any piece of raid gear you would want.
@@Danny_79 not only do you need it, you can only use the effect on it once and it only lasts 30 seconds.. So you have to farm it over and over and over so you can keep bringing 20 new ones to raid. On top of any other consumables you need for raid. It’s one of the worst ‘optimizations’ that anyone ever discovered for a class for raiding in Classic. But without it, feral is barely viable for raiding.
@@Slyons89 think I will run resto ty :D
I just love druids too much to not play them lol. But I hate healing. That's why I'll go only for honor gear till I can get to BWL or AQ without the very much stupid MCP farming. I'm not a kid anymore to have such time to waste doing this sh*t.
Play whatever you want. Classic raids can easily be cleared with 20-30 competent players to be honest. At least up to AQ40
100% this. Classic Raids are very easy. I just wanted to make a guide for the best. I forgot to add a statement stating that any class is viable.
”play what you want” doesn’t apply when 90% of the community are sweatlords who won’t invite you. Play what you want but don’t be surprised if you can’t get content done
@@TheWowzz pretty much why i might be planning to make a guild of my own and bring anyone and anything in the raids "play what u want and how u want" would be a good moto
@ believe it or not, most guilds don’t want to just waste all that leather and mail loot so there’s definitely room for a couple meme specs
It’s not ideal like it was in SoD and mostly the reason I will be quitting Classic after SoD is done
First wow UA-camr I’ve seen that accurately describes bear tanks in classic 👏
Very fair ranking of the classes and specs. The only thing I would add is that things like Faerie Fire(druid) and Curse of Recklessness(warlock) will guarantee those classes at least 1 raid spot in every guild, even in "bad" spec. Even true of Shadow Vulnerability(Shadow Priest) although not as much.
I think you're wrong about feral druids. Prot warriors may take less damage because of their shield, but they're nowhere near the same level of threat output. At the same time, feral druids do nearly as much threat (albeit not for AOE) as fury prots, but they take less damage. Overall I do think I'd want a fury prot MT, but after that a capable feral tank at 2 or 3. Deep prot really shouldn't be a thing anymore unless your heals just suck.
I agree with this. I was basing this off average player skill. As the requirements for a good bear are drastically higher than that of a good Deep Prot
Has debuff cap removal been confirmed for non-hardcore? It was only mentioned in the context of a hardcore server in the big bluepost
Someone needs to check this on the PTR
Based on what I can see, it has been removed as one of the few changes they've done for Classic. But I don't want to officially confirm that till the servers go live and people can test it.
@@EbonhardtTV do we also know anything about HoT stacking being removed? Would help resto druids a bit without really changing the meta.
I believe it has been removed.
@@JustOneQuestion Where did you get that info?
I always play a tanking or healing class. I'm going to play human rogue this time. Gonna enjoy the ride this time, no race to max level.
Ive always played warrior pvp and dps, this time I’m going holy paladin
In Naxx, Enhancement Shaman is 3rd behind rogues on singleboss fights and around the same dps as feral overall in the raid. That's about double the ret's perf 🔥
Will I get a Raid Spot if I play a Boomkin?
In a lot of casual/mid level guilds, (in my arms) yes. Sweaty guilds, no.
@@EbonhardtTV Man...
What about Shadow Priest?
@SolheimGaming make your own guild brother ^^
@@SolheimGaming with boomkin also shadowpriest is a meme
I freaking love boomies, but the truth is that they suck in PVE. Now, PVP it's one of the funnest specs to play. Druids in general. Because of their hybrid nature, good druid players are a nightmare to beat.
Good video. Never seen anything like it before 😂
We should be talking about player restrictions as a game mode. We know this turned into hardcore wow so we have “history”.
I think it should be “meta raiding”. Since each faction has 8 classes and raids are 40 man.. then it seems we should have 5 of each class to make a “meta raid”.
If we do this we can create an entire new raid structure for players who want to do their own thing. Since the content will be harder; if not the hardest since you have to find the exact number of each class; you get 1 extra item per boss.
Making a higher drop rate IS something we know they can do. All they would have to do is put a trigger to check for raid comp at time of boss kill.
We would see shadow priests because you would not bring 5 healing priest; it’s not efficient. You would want warrior DPS so you would need other tanks. This fixes the stale meta of raiding.
If blizzard embraced this; it could change classic forever.
I love the base idea in theory, but not a fan of each boss awarding 1 more item, that's too many items in one night. Maybe 33-50% more chance of 1 extra item dropping per boss, but still idk.
Regardless Blizzard will never do that, BUT, I will write that idea down and add it to my list for the upcoming private server I will create in the future.
@ I like the % thing. What would be baller is if they could make it so spec diversity increases that upto 100%. So you might want to run a survival hunter and enhance shaman to increase that % of an extra drop.
We will all be geared each phase just by showing up. I think the most important part is slowing us down and creating new situations; like a enhancement shaman and survival hunter arguing over who is better DPS 😂
@@wartome3196 Not sure how a system could enforce that, besides counting the amount of talent points each players have in any given talent try. I guess... a player would need to allocate the last point of a talent tree for it to count.
@ yeah it’s not perfect but it was add something unique to the guilds who wanted to complete the raids in this way.
Too late now but we really needed a guild pvp rating system so guilds could challenge one another and set times for the battle grounds. Post the scores and times online so everyone can look for cheating.
Broski’s what is a chill easier to move dps for PvP and achievement with maybe a bit of raiding?
Any chance you do one for PvP? 😁
So excited to play Warriors of Warriorcraft again.
I love to have a guide which tells what spells which specs are using. If I got this right boomkin is there for a reason since you only have 2 buttons to press. Not sure if this is fun, even if you would deal dmg.
Will a guild let me sp stack sor pally?????
Im middle aged with no time for min/maxing. Whos starting a fun guild on the PVP server that lets people play whatever the fuck they want and still raid? Im going druid bear tank/healer.
Wish they would add Draenei and blood elf from start. Would definitely try blood elf paladin, but I’m not gonna level again when tbc launches
Is there no debuff limit in this classic ?
the only thing I heard was warrior, warrior and more warrior
why tf do you have a female human model when you were talking about hunter O.O
High quality PNG lmao
Played Warrior tank last time around, I’m thinking to change up and go Bear tank or shaman for this
Ele shaman does more dps than shadow and boomkin no?
Warlock best everything
we as a wow community really need to stop going off whats best and just play the game
will classic fresh servers be without debuff cap?
I think it will be like it was the last time it was launched. Higher dots then normal. If they don’t do that; the server will be meh.
Love your videos ❤
All teh people talkign about why people need to min max a 20 year old game, when it is clearly teh job of the developer to adjust systems to the playstyle of current generations. teh whole argument woudl be mute if the dps woudl be balanced. It is the absolute easiest answer to this whole debate. Saying it is ok to suck is mute because the whole uneven balance just stemms from teh developer not beign able to polish. Why else woudl teh balance in the first expansion already be sooooo much more even?
dont even care about raiding in vanilla been doing that for 5 years nowjust want tbc. WHAT MORE IMPORTANT IS THAT THEY LET US STAY IN TBC ERA FOREVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Human Demonology warlock it is!
Seriously people, just play what you find fun, or the class fantasy you enjoy
No way I'm joining a guild that will be stacking warriors, just saying. Game is more fun with a balanced group where people play what they want, it doesn't matter it a boss takes 1 minute instead of 30 seconds ! :)
Find my post above about meta raiding and start spreading the idea. 5 of each class per raid for 1 more item of loot. It’s a player made “heroic raid” with minor dev support.
My goals just get best in slot gear not be the best lol
this is just dumb. Vanilla can be played with one foot. on the keyboard lol. It is the most simplistic version of the game. Play what class you want, no one cares, and if anyone does then they take this 3rd time release way way to serious lol
My brother, I wholeheartedly agree, but this is the Classic playerbase we're talking about lmao
This just helps people decide. A lot of people don’t know about endgame and might be playing for the first time.
I understand its only parsing in raid but putting ele shaman below boomkin is criminal. More dmg, more utility, best mana efficiency, can offheal... 1global noobs lol
Warlock out dps every mage single target
oh, please! Not again!...
What happened to Classic Plus bro? 🤣🤣🤣🤣
Oh boy another classic class picking guide because that's what we need more of.
Just milking at this point. Bad content and you should feel bad.
Warrior, rogue, or mage. There, you don't have to watch the video
I’m seeing tons of “play what you want” comments yet people are living in fantasy land. Your raid will be 50%+ warriors and if you want to do damage - you play fury warrior.
Copium is strong.
Good luck gearing.
Classic will only be good when they do micro changes to some classes or gear to make them more viable in raids and other areas... and no, not to SODs extent of changes. Can easily be done
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@@TheWowzz I have same amount of subscribers as you and 100x less videos lmao! Cope more loser
That would be sod. Classic Classic is no changes
@@ponds812 You do realize this fresh has changes? lmao.... low IQ
@@ponds812giving Paladin a taunt and a shield wall would be more than enough to make them work for raiding and not really have any effect outside of the color of the raid frame the healer sees….
Buddy these videos have been done a fucking million times and all they do is make the game worse. Just play the damn game and enjoy it for what it is, raiding in vanilla is almost as easy as breathing oxygen.
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