I had no idea Fire was an abbreviation and that it was built by robots. Fiat really should´ve milked it more in adverts. You know, liked Saab did with aircraft in the 80s, too. Back in the day the engines came out the pun was that the thing would burn down and that the maker was just being honest about how shite they were. How wrong the naysayers were eh?
Oooh, I had a 2012 Panda! I absolutely loved it! It had been badly neglected and the entire engine was slushed up. I did 3-4 engine flushes and had the rocker cover and oil pan off to scrape as much gunk as possible out of it. In the end I had to replace all the ignition coils, sparks, spark wires and also the catalyst that got damaged by misfires. I got that one from a scrapyard and thankfully it worked. While I was in there I also did the alternator belt, cambelt, oil seal and I also had to replace the oil pan, because it's glued on so tight that it's all but impossible to remove without damaging it. I bought a cheap oil pan and I never got that damn thing to seal properly. Do not buy a cheap oil pan for that car. 😁 Fun details about that car, to remove the oil pan, you need to remove the exhaust. To remove the exhaust, you need to remove the radiator. Which I also renewed because the old one was rotten and leaking. The cambelt, I put in the car's VIN and I still got offered two different belts. You have to contact Fiat to find out which one it is. Because they had both belts lying around when the car was manufactured and what belt is fitted depends on whatever belt was nearest. After all that I had to sell the car for a pittance, because the effing oil pan WOULD NOT stop leaking! And I had no desire to rip it all apart again! I'm still mad about that! But I still loved that car for the time I had it, because I think they're cool and having done all that work, they're relatively easy to work on.
Well said about useable cars being scrapped because the repair cost is deemed more than the value after minor accidents - it's the same here in the UK & such an unacceptable norm to arrive at 🤔 Great little cars those Pandas - I ran a Multijet diesel one for 2 years, it was frugal & fun to drive👍
I've only ever done one cambelt, four years ago on my Renault Grand Scenic 1.6. I replaced the dephaser pulley at the same time because I suspected it was clattering when I started the engine. I took me hours and hours because I worked through it very slowly, checking and rechecking everything. I was still really nervous when I finally started the engine afterwards.
My first experience with the FIRE engine was with a 80's Lancia Y10 in the early 90's. It was a very smooth running unit with very good efficiency. The Y10 was a nice car to drive and could happily cruise at a decent speed.
In complete agreement on the scrapping cars thing. I'll never get comfortable with that logic. I used to daily a yaris for like 15 years and almost 500,000km before the rust got it. Now I daily a Volvo 850 in winter and a Saab 900 in summer.
@1:36 Unless you want that particular car and it isn't available anywhere else. Let alone that you know the exact history of the car and its maintenance condition. If it is just a commodity to you and you couldn't care less, that is different. @18:10 Chances are that OEM parts are revised after the cease of production as long as the parts are relevant.
These small, compact cars are wonderfull. They are economical and when taken care of and serviced on time with good parts and lubes, will give years of happy motoring. The Hondas, Fiat Pandas, Nissan Micras, Toyota Corollas etc, are the best.🌿
Thanks, this is helping me no end to build up the confidence to change the timing belt, water pump and water pump belt on a VAG CPWA. I´ve the parts and even the locking tool kit but as you rightly said this is the sort of job that really does put the fear of dog into you. At the end I´ll go for a walk and let my son turn the key...
Got my first belt change on my punto soon . Got everything together ready . Will be doing it in a public carpark opposite my house . This video has given me abit more confidence cheers .
Shame about the Zafira but these Panda's are great little cars. We brought one for my Sister here in the UK, a 2006 4x4 1.2 for just £350! At that price it needed work, none working wipers, broken trim, servicing plus tyres. It's repaid itself though with miles of smiles. 😁 Hope your parents enjoy there new Panda too.
These are cracking cars - peak FIAT - small cars done at their best. Not sure about anywhere else but the 500 has been the dominant seller in the UK presumably due to cutesy looks and inventive finance packages but if you stand back and look, 5 doors, more space and practicality the Panda should win out every time.
Be carefull with too much sealant on the waterpump, one thing that could happen is excesive material could fall of and it could get stuck on the radial seal and damage it. But i think that u have more chance that the new pump will leak from new than the sealant damaging the seal :D
Great video to see how to do the timing belt change, not sure I'm brave enough to tackle the one on my Fiat myself but maybe next time! Shame about the Zafira, seems to be the way that perfectly good old cars get written off for nothing 🙄
It's funny to see old engines in modern cars, as it's like they've been assimilated by the Borg, with wired and hoses and tubes and whatnot added on to adapt and assimilate to modern standards, just to keep an older design going because it's cheaper than going all out and desinging a new one, just like the average US V8 engine, some of them go back as far as the 40s and 50s... :P
And look now some makers immerse them in hot engine oil to disintegrate and clog up oil pick up dropping oil pressure and trashing engine….progress eh!!!
FIRE = Fully Integrated Robotised Engine . Production started in 1985 and ask seen many different FIAT LANCIA models. Maintanance 30.000 km or every 2 years: Check belt tension and condition. Check and adjust the valve clearance*. 60.000 km or every 4 years: Check the belt tension and condition + *. 105.000 km: Change the belt + *. *Please note that the valve clearance must be checked and adjusted every 30.000 km! The cam sprocket must be aligned at its markings: one on the sprocket and one on the block. It’s located on the left when standing in front of the sprockets. If both sprockets are aligned with the markings on the block you can place the belt. If valve clearance must be adjust then give the crankshaft half a turn forward. Thus after TDC. This way the valves won’t get damaged when adjusting.
My last car purchase, came down to a Fiat panda 4x4 versus a Suzuki Jimny. I ended up going Jimny but it was very close. Also I totally agree on how it feels wrong thay insurance companies scrap vehicles. I had one scrapped as twice in 2 years id had my exhaust stolen.
I've been tinkering with the cars about 30 years and changed the timing belt only once. That was Citroen GS that had got two belts. Usually my cars die before the belt is due or have chains (CX).
Its new on the top but underneath it is nearer to the original design. These are a safe engine anyway. The F I R E engine is one of the best built engines ever made. OOOOO Take note the air con pump leaks water onto the alternator which can kill them. Apart from that a great car, loved mine until it got written off!
The VVT engine is not a safe engine... In terms of failed cambelt that is... :) But yes I was very happy to recognise so much from my cinq, and panda..
Given the astronomical registration taxes on new cars in Denmark, I'm surprised Danes (apart from you, of course!) don't keep their old cars going forever. I read a few years ago that the average car in Britain is scrapped at just under 15 years old, so pretty similar.
Unless I missed something, I can't see the relevance of transferring marks from one belt to the other. The only thing that should be relevant is the relationship of the positions of the crank sprocket and cam sprocket to each other. You identified the crank marker and you made your own mark for the camshaft. Assuming the new belt is exactly the same as the old belt and you've ensured the sprockets didn't move (which they didn't), why do you worry about the belt position in relation to the sprockets?
The only reason is to be certain I got it right... a mark on the camshaft sprocket would have been enough.. But IF the sprocket turned under tension from the valvetrain, then it could be hard both to turn the sprocket AND put on the belt in the correct position.. and getting it a tooth out would be very possible.. therefore... better to be safe than sorry... :)
Although I'm confident enough to service my Panda in the form of yearly Oil, Oil filter, spark plugs and air filter. It would be impractical to do stuff like cam belt and water pump replacement, simply due to lack of a decent car lift. Working on a driveway and trying to do what you've done here, would be physically crippling. To enjoy the fruit of your own labour is a good thing for sure, but for most of us it is way beyond budget.
Even though "it's not worth it" sometimes it's better to repair a known car that you know not another new car which even though has MOT and low K's there may be other hidden things... Just my opinion... I guess repairing the Zafira would have been more than 5k Euros?
@@SeasideGarage that's a pity! And buying it and keeping it stored? Is worth doing it because you can think about it and... In a future repairing it. It can be great content and can encourage people to not trow away cars that could be perfectly fine...
Pretty pointless putting paint marks all over the belt, just align the engine's own timing marks (if it has them) then for peace of mind you only need to put paint marks on the cam and crank pulley if does not have timing marks after putting cylinder N°1 at TDC, Then rotate the engine twice and check alignment of the timing marks or paint marks, then recheck the belt tension, i think it's every 5 years/50000 miles (80k) the timing belt change on the F.I.R.E engine.
no mark on the camshaft sprocket.. but yes your are right... I only do it this way so that I can double check... in case the camshaft moves, it can be hard to align it precisely using a painted marking.
@@SeasideGarage it's the centre of the pulley on VVT engine you've to be wary of because it can move independently of the pulley itself and that of course means the camshaft has moved hence using timing pins, but in your case it all stayed in position, so it was a bit of a gamble but nothing wrong with using a belts and braces approach with timing belts !! 😁👍🏻
I have a 1986 Fiat Uno with the FIRE engine, 45 hp. 180k km's and still runs like a clock.
I had no idea Fire was an abbreviation and that it was built by robots. Fiat really should´ve milked it more in adverts. You know, liked Saab did with aircraft in the 80s, too. Back in the day the engines came out the pun was that the thing would burn down and that the maker was just being honest about how shite they were. How wrong the naysayers were eh?
You mean makes a constant ticking noise and boings on the hour every hour ha ha ha ha
Oooh, I had a 2012 Panda! I absolutely loved it!
It had been badly neglected and the entire engine was slushed up. I did 3-4 engine flushes and had the rocker cover and oil pan off to scrape as much gunk as possible out of it.
In the end I had to replace all the ignition coils, sparks, spark wires and also the catalyst that got damaged by misfires. I got that one from a scrapyard and thankfully it worked. While I was in there I also did the alternator belt, cambelt, oil seal and I also had to replace the oil pan, because it's glued on so tight that it's all but impossible to remove without damaging it. I bought a cheap oil pan and I never got that damn thing to seal properly. Do not buy a cheap oil pan for that car. 😁
Fun details about that car, to remove the oil pan, you need to remove the exhaust. To remove the exhaust, you need to remove the radiator. Which I also renewed because the old one was rotten and leaking.
The cambelt, I put in the car's VIN and I still got offered two different belts. You have to contact Fiat to find out which one it is. Because they had both belts lying around when the car was manufactured and what belt is fitted depends on whatever belt was nearest.
After all that I had to sell the car for a pittance, because the effing oil pan WOULD NOT stop leaking! And I had no desire to rip it all apart again!
I'm still mad about that! But I still loved that car for the time I had it, because I think they're cool and having done all that work, they're relatively easy to work on.
Well said about useable cars being scrapped because the repair cost is deemed more than the value after minor accidents - it's the same here in the UK & such an unacceptable norm to arrive at 🤔
Great little cars those Pandas - I ran a Multijet diesel one for 2 years, it was frugal & fun to drive👍
I've only ever done one cambelt, four years ago on my Renault Grand Scenic 1.6. I replaced the dephaser pulley at the same time because I suspected it was clattering when I started the engine. I took me hours and hours because I worked through it very slowly, checking and rechecking everything. I was still really nervous when I finally started the engine afterwards.
My first experience with the FIRE engine was with a 80's Lancia Y10 in the early 90's. It was a very smooth running unit with very good efficiency. The Y10 was a nice car to drive and could happily cruise at a decent speed.
The Pand 4X4 is a definite classic. Andthey are actually pretty good off road too.
In complete agreement on the scrapping cars thing. I'll never get comfortable with that logic.
I used to daily a yaris for like 15 years and almost 500,000km before the rust got it. Now I daily a Volvo 850 in winter and a Saab 900 in summer.
Nice work! I live in the US. I’ve always wanted a Panda but of course, hard to find here and be supported. Love your videos! 😊
@1:36 Unless you want that particular car and it isn't available anywhere else. Let alone that you know the exact history of the car and its maintenance condition. If it is just a commodity to you and you couldn't care less, that is different.
@18:10 Chances are that OEM parts are revised after the cease of production as long as the parts are relevant.
My daughter has a 2012 panda 1.2 without air con as her first car. I didn't know they had vvt 😮
Happy to see you working on a 169 🤗👍🇮🇪
The vvt is mainly for economy / helps engine warm up faster I believe.
@@davidrobert2007 you can adjust power curve with vvt. it does help to achive more torque in lower and higher rpm range
These small, compact cars are wonderfull. They are economical and when taken care of and serviced on time with good parts and lubes, will give years of happy motoring. The Hondas, Fiat Pandas, Nissan Micras, Toyota Corollas etc, are the best.🌿
I like Panda's... Cute lil' car, easy to work on and quite roomy for a small car...
Top tip- don't but a 1.1... they are gutless lol...
I have one 4x4 2011 with 77000 km on the clock, here i Norway, and i love it
nice!
Kææææft en fed bil!❤😊 pas på, man kommer til at holde af de små Panda’er!
I remember hiring a Fiat Panda on holiday one year in Mallorca. It was very similar to yours and I absolutely loved driving it.
Thanks, this is helping me no end to build up the confidence to change the timing belt, water pump and water pump belt on a VAG CPWA. I´ve the parts and even the locking tool kit but as you rightly said this is the sort of job that really does put the fear of dog into you. At the end I´ll go for a walk and let my son turn the key...
My daily driver is a 2001 fiat seicento with the 1.1 fire engine its been a super reliable little car the fire engine is very nippy in the seicento
Got my first belt change on my punto soon . Got everything together ready . Will be doing it in a public carpark opposite my house . This video has given me abit more confidence cheers .
Shame about the Zafira but these Panda's are great little cars. We brought one for my Sister here in the UK, a 2006 4x4 1.2 for just £350!
At that price it needed work, none working wipers, broken trim, servicing plus tyres. It's repaid itself though with miles of smiles. 😁
Hope your parents enjoy there new Panda too.
Love these cars ❤
These are cracking cars - peak FIAT - small cars done at their best. Not sure about anywhere else but the 500 has been the dominant seller in the UK presumably due to cutesy looks and inventive finance packages but if you stand back and look, 5 doors, more space and practicality the Panda should win out every time.
Be carefull with too much sealant on the waterpump, one thing that could happen is excesive material could fall of and it could get stuck on the radial seal and damage it. But i think that u have more chance that the new pump will leak from new than the sealant damaging the seal :D
did the belt on a punto a few years back, £8 for oem belt !
I'm just about to change my cambelt on the same car, this was very helpful, thank you!
good video job for not the faint hearted them timing belts nice to see the old tricks of marking the belt and transferring to the new one 👍👍👌👌
Thanks for your invironmental introspeak - i do agree 100% - repair repair repair
Here in nz we don't have salted road. You would love it seppo we have lots of still daily driven that are 25 to 30 years old.
Great video to see how to do the timing belt change, not sure I'm brave enough to tackle the one on my Fiat myself but maybe next time! Shame about the Zafira, seems to be the way that perfectly good old cars get written off for nothing 🙄
It's funny to see old engines in modern cars, as it's like they've been assimilated by the Borg, with wired and hoses and tubes and whatnot added on to adapt and assimilate to modern standards, just to keep an older design going because it's cheaper than going all out and desinging a new one, just like the average US V8 engine, some of them go back as far as the 40s and 50s... :P
Thanks M.r Seaside, they say FIAT were the first to employ rubber cambelt in their engines, especially the FIRE (Fully Integrated Robotized Engine.)
Almost, it was in the Lampredi designed Twin Cam engine. From Fiat, indeed.
@@mehrzahl2219 Thank Merzah Yes it was, and such a lovely car
And look now some makers immerse them in hot engine oil to disintegrate and clog up oil pick up dropping oil pressure and trashing engine….progress eh!!!
@@eggy1962 They say that idea came from Ford. That is why in the UK we used tooke and made an acronym for FORD( Fix Or Repair Daily) 😊
@@andrewmusisi7147 ecoboom commonly associated esp the 1 lite
FIRE = Fully Integrated Robotised Engine . Production started in 1985 and ask seen many different FIAT LANCIA models.
Maintanance
30.000 km or every 2 years: Check belt tension and condition.
Check and adjust the valve clearance*.
60.000 km or every 4 years: Check the belt tension and condition + *.
105.000 km: Change the belt + *.
*Please note that the valve clearance must be checked and adjusted every 30.000 km!
The cam sprocket must be aligned at its markings: one on the sprocket and one on the block. It’s located on the left when standing in front of the sprockets.
If both sprockets are aligned with the markings on the block you can place the belt.
If valve clearance must be adjust then give the crankshaft half a turn forward. Thus after TDC. This way the valves won’t get damaged when adjusting.
This is not correct for the variable valve engines like this one... only 60hp one and the old ones...
My last car purchase, came down to a Fiat panda 4x4 versus a Suzuki Jimny. I ended up going Jimny but it was very close.
Also I totally agree on how it feels wrong thay insurance companies scrap vehicles. I had one scrapped as twice in 2 years id had my exhaust stolen.
Oldest car fleet in Europe is in Estonia and Greece- at 17 years old.
So my wife's 18.5 and my 15 year old car are in good company.
Are you sure it's not older?
I've been tinkering with the cars about 30 years and changed the timing belt only once. That was Citroen GS that had got two belts.
Usually my cars die before the belt is due or have chains (CX).
But now I have C5 and BX both with the timing belt due soon.
I have that exact same sweater.
Nice
I have a 2011 panda 🎉
Its new on the top but underneath it is nearer to the original design. These are a safe engine anyway. The F I R E engine is one of the best built engines ever made.
OOOOO Take note the air con pump leaks water onto the alternator which can kill them. Apart from that a great car, loved mine until it got written off!
The VVT engine is not a safe engine... In terms of failed cambelt that is... :)
But yes I was very happy to recognise so much from my cinq, and panda..
vvt pulley has a locking pin that locks the wheel when the car is turned off and the oil pressure drops👌
sounds clever!
Given the astronomical registration taxes on new cars in Denmark, I'm surprised Danes (apart from you, of course!) don't keep their old cars going forever. I read a few years ago that the average car in Britain is scrapped at just under 15 years old, so pretty similar.
Denmark got some of the most expensive car collections in the world... so for some reason the danes are not to frightened by the high taxes....
Unless I missed something, I can't see the relevance of transferring marks from one belt to the other. The only thing that should be relevant is the relationship of the positions of the crank sprocket and cam sprocket to each other. You identified the crank marker and you made your own mark for the camshaft. Assuming the new belt is exactly the same as the old belt and you've ensured the sprockets didn't move (which they didn't), why do you worry about the belt position in relation to the sprockets?
The only reason is to be certain I got it right... a mark on the camshaft sprocket would have been enough.. But IF the sprocket turned under tension from the valvetrain, then it could be hard both to turn the sprocket AND put on the belt in the correct position.. and getting it a tooth out would be very possible.. therefore... better to be safe than sorry... :)
I think it’s 5 years for the panda 69hp same as the fiat 500 and Ford ka
Although I'm confident enough to service my Panda in the form of yearly Oil, Oil filter, spark plugs and air filter.
It would be impractical to do stuff like cam belt and water pump replacement, simply due to lack of a decent car lift.
Working on a driveway and trying to do what you've done here, would be physically crippling.
To enjoy the fruit of your own labour is a good thing for sure, but for most of us it is way beyond budget.
I did it before owning a lift also... yes its more fiddly... but not something you do very often... :)
I daily a 2004 1.1 with only 67.000 Miles.
Even though "it's not worth it" sometimes it's better to repair a known car that you know not another new car which even though has MOT and low K's there may be other hidden things... Just my opinion...
I guess repairing the Zafira would have been more than 5k Euros?
Only elevant for Danes: Kunne du ikke forklare økonomien i at købe Opel'en af forsikringsselskabet nu de mener den er værdiløs.
Yes, I think it would make sense buying back the Zafira and repairing it! Is not a huge damage at all...
I do not know the price to buy it... did consider it, but I dont have the time.... :(
@@SeasideGarage that's a pity! And buying it and keeping it stored? Is worth doing it because you can think about it and... In a future repairing it. It can be great content and can encourage people to not trow away cars that could be perfectly fine...
true... but I have 13 projects atm... :P
A huge pox on cam belts.
Pretty pointless putting paint marks all over the belt, just align the engine's own timing marks (if it has them) then for peace of mind you only need to put paint marks on the cam and crank pulley if does not have timing marks after putting cylinder N°1 at TDC, Then rotate the engine twice and check alignment of the timing marks or paint marks, then recheck the belt tension, i think it's every 5 years/50000 miles (80k) the timing belt change on the F.I.R.E engine.
no mark on the camshaft sprocket.. but yes your are right... I only do it this way so that I can double check... in case the camshaft moves, it can be hard to align it precisely using a painted marking.
@@SeasideGarage it's the centre of the pulley on VVT engine you've to be wary of because it can move independently of the pulley itself and that of course means the camshaft has moved hence using timing pins, but in your case it all stayed in position, so it was a bit of a gamble but nothing wrong with using a belts and braces approach with timing belts !! 😁👍🏻
Older car's do have new cheap parts
Dont hit a fly with this car... It's a death trap....
Utter tripe.......
Troll Harder. 🤡👆🏼