Terrence Deacon - Philosophy of Biological Information

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  • Опубліковано 26 лис 2024

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  • @imaginaryuniverse632
    @imaginaryuniverse632 27 днів тому +1

    This is freaking me out 3:33 into it! I think it's knowing what he is going to say and knowing what it means about the truth of our reality as being a story derived from our communication with our self, the one self appearing as many and all the non self stuff is the self also some kind of way. I'm sure this is why Einstein found entanglement spooky!

  • @gettingstuffdoneright5332
    @gettingstuffdoneright5332 28 днів тому +3

    There is something very interesting about the distinction between biological information and all other kinds of information, and that's of course the signal of life, it's aboutness being, well, who knows, but maybe cl oser to truth! Thanks for all the great work these years I hope you and yours are well, take care

  • @helicalactual
    @helicalactual 27 днів тому +3

    But dna sequence and structure are literally causally linked ie when there’s a mutation in the DNA sequence, the structure can be catastrophically affected, thymine dimers.
    So structure and sequence are recognizably similar.
    They are in fact, unable to produce one without the other.
    It’s unwise to say that DNA shape has nothing to do with information.

    • @mrmotl1
      @mrmotl1 27 днів тому

      Plus the fact that it's a double helical structure, relates to how it is created. It's just as an electromagnetic field is focused in the center of itself as a double Helix, in relation to the bipolar field. This is how the intelligence develops itself and you have to be able to relate these patterns in the more complex developments to the more general state of it all.
      Notice symmetries are always transparent, where as the differences are what are particularly defined. This means that the symmetries lead back to earlier states of development and tell the story of how it all came to be and reveal the truth at its core. You follow the symmetries to the source, where as you see the particular through the differences they represent outside of that shared source. Just as we all share the same body, but we wear different skins. We all possess the same focus (gravity), we just see from different points of view outside of it.

    • @mrmotl1
      @mrmotl1 27 днів тому

      Also if you look at the pattern of its structure in the center there's hexagonal molecules of thymine, cytosine, or uracil. Then directly outside of that are pentagon molecules adenine, guanine. Followed by the square in the phosphate group of the sugar backbone. From there it generalizes into the two poles of the sugar backbones of which connect together through the rungs making three and resolving to one in the complete DNA of it all.
      Now the body has symmetries like this as well and it also relates to those shapes within the DNA. You have a dual symmetry of your body, mirrored in your organs as well.
      You have five fingers and toes, except it's really four fingers and thumb. This is resolving to Your four limbs and head, Plus notice the fingers have three bones, three sections, whereas your thumb has two. Your limbs have three sections and your head has a dual mirror symmetry. Even the bones from the limbs the first section has one bone, The second section has two bones and the third section is the hand which is the microcosm of the whole body and on the extending fingers has three bones.

  • @0-by-1_Publishing_LLC
    @0-by-1_Publishing_LLC 28 днів тому +4

    (3:00) *TD: **_"And that tells us that information the concept of information is actually a hierarchic concept."_* ... I would add to Deacon's third level of biological information with *value judgments.* Although he did reference good and bad information (which is a type of value assessment), all of the multilevel interactions Deacon spoke of are subservient to value judgments.
    Discerning _good information_ from _bad information_ can be as simple as issuing a binary response, but establishing a "spectrum of value" for both good and bad information takes it all step further. Within a "dynamic spectrum of _Good Information"_ all information held within this spectrum organized from top to bottom based on overall "value."
    *Example:* Food, safety, and the ability to utilize resources would be located near the top of the spectrum with playfulness, curiosity, and social interaction located somewhere below the former. There would also need to be an *internal mechanism* that is able to issue these types of judgments.

  • @r2c3
    @r2c3 28 днів тому +2

    3:27 formation of complex functional structures, capable of forming, storing, and conveying certain forms of information, seem to require a higher degree of complexity than the constituent parts alone... unless, the part/s have such innate quality, to begin with 🤔

  • @mintusaren895
    @mintusaren895 26 днів тому

    Undressed us you have next gen .you to love.

  • @MarkPatmos
    @MarkPatmos 28 днів тому +2

    Is the ‘aboutness’ he is referring to another word for purpose? But how does purpose emerge out of a lack of purpose without involvement of any preceding form of intelligence, design or intent?

    • @RichardOmier
      @RichardOmier 27 днів тому

      I'd say the aboutness is actually the seed of consciousness. What's an organism has to start making judgement calls. It has to not about the environment. About itself and what is good for it.

  • @sujok-acupuncture9246
    @sujok-acupuncture9246 28 днів тому +2

    Textbook Biology class.

    • @evaadam3635
      @evaadam3635 28 днів тому

      Once upon a time, Biology and Faith in the Creator were both part of School's Curriculum, where Darwin's Toxic Garbage was out of the picture...

    • @sujok-acupuncture9246
      @sujok-acupuncture9246 28 днів тому

      ​@@evaadam3635 😅😂

  • @S3RAVA3LM
    @S3RAVA3LM 28 днів тому +2

    Most don't really care about how the universe and cosmos actually work - truth seekers do - they're more concerned in finding a way to fit their conditioned understanding and modulation of it into the cosmos itself, or rather shoehorning the principles and universals into their boot as a truth so reifying themselves - and if it doesn't fit they discard it; this implies a denial, as it is well known man's carnal mind or ego seeks to self preserve itself. There's parables of such in Cain vs. Abel in the bible, and the countless cardinal Hindu texts. People aren't just skeptical in finding their way in the darkness, between what is true and that which is untrue, but in how a new and possibly a universal truth is affecting their paradigm, of which they cleave to and seek to reify and protect - for what is familiar becomes what is normal, thus is conventional, and that which is conventional becomes what is true and what right, thus we have tradition.

    • @helicalactual
      @helicalactual 27 днів тому

      You’re confusing the fact that religion was the first social contract, for some mumbo jumbo about fitting our models.
      Not all of us do. You ironically shoehorn, theorists and others when you do so. our models are derived directly from the universe. Our construct of morality is derived directly from entropy which I believe comes from God there’s no shoehorning not if you’re actually good at what you do.

  • @Maxwell-mv9rx
    @Maxwell-mv9rx 28 днів тому +1

    Important to know about information It is NOT go first. But experiences is inportant proceendings . So information is consequencies. He shows rubbish rethoric. Iol.

  • @tedgrant2
    @tedgrant2 26 днів тому

    There are many things that I don't understand.
    It follows immediately that Jesus died for me.

  • @infinitygame18
    @infinitygame18 21 день тому

    A DIRECT MESSAGE TO ALL HAWA BAAZO, GYAN KI POOCH SAMBHALO PYAR AUR IZZAT SE, BINA MEMORY YOU ARE A *HIT CREATING EGO I RUNNIN AFTER WOW LIKE CHOTA BACCHA CHOTI , MARUTI TRANSLATE IT IN ANGREZI TO ALL GORA AND KALA GODDESSES AND GODS

  • @S3RAVA3LM
    @S3RAVA3LM 28 днів тому +1

    Wisdom, Understanding, Knowledge, opinion and then information.
    Wisdom - true concentration and union with the Divine at rest; no agitation, no modulation. Therefore, no confusion, delusion, or duality.
    Understanding - of the Intellectual realm, a realizing by non thinking i.e. intution, the noetic, the principle of all congnitive methodologies.
    Knowledge - not merely apprehending sense perception objects but seeing into the very Forms, essence, nature(s), relations, and degrees of such knowledge objects, in capacity of going forth upstream to their causes and principles.
    Opinion - arbitrary.
    Information - that which is most certainly and without doubt not fundamental but last, least and most dross. Bits and pieces of relative existential information in phenomena, of division, contrast, convolution, duality, agitation, vexing. Ultimately, it is ignorance, agnosis, or avidya, as it is what's 'downstream' as opposed to what's 'upstream', i.e. implying the Source, that which is Wisdom, at rest, no agitation, pure potential, immutable, compared to what's low and dross, that which is transient, ephemeral, subject to change, thus vexed and suffers, that which is acted upon, and participate.
    Only he of a poor fund of knowledge claims information is fundamental. In truth, it is the exact antithesis to Wisdom and what is the Primordial Cause of all causes.

    • @optimusprimevil1646
      @optimusprimevil1646 28 днів тому +1

      well done if you thought that up yourself. i'm sure theists like jordan peterson would love it as argument for religion.

    • @S3RAVA3LM
      @S3RAVA3LM 28 днів тому +1

      ​@@optimusprimevil1646 I'm a disciple of Bill Donahue here on youtube, and a student of platonics, Indian and egyptian metaphysics too. I share not as copy and paste but what settles as foundational in my understandings. Tomorrow it may be a little different from yestarday - my theories that is, for the principles do not change

  • @LuuLuong-bn8iy
    @LuuLuong-bn8iy 28 днів тому +1

    😅😂😂😂

  • @infinitygame18
    @infinitygame18 21 день тому

    VERY DOON YOUR ENTIRE FOUNDATION OF SCIENCE AND PHYSICS WILL COLLAPSE, START PHILOSOPHY OF BIOLOGY FOR FUTURE GENERATIONS GROWTH, RATHER THAN LICKING AND WASTING RESOURCES ON PHILOSOPHY OF PHYSICS