@@weirdautumn ummm well u have to kinda expand your mind about what self help is. Like IMO self help books are books that remind and reinforce beliefs you already have. So even the manifesto is in a way a self help book
plot twist: the garbage advice is garbage because vaush is interpreting them in the most bad faith way possible. "Set your house in order" isn't about being perfect in absolute terms, it's about doing what you CAN do, which is obviously a very good idea. But I guess it would be bad optics to agree with every rule, so gotta pick some to misrepresent.
Well... The rule is clear, and since Jordan Peterson exists as well as the Internet then I shall repress my urges to satisfy my morbid curiosity and NEVER Google those things. Ignorance is total bliss!
It's because conservative men (and, counterintuitively, many women) view women as lesser beings to be controlled and to have sexual relations with rather than equals to work with or befriend.
As a lesbian, I am 100% capable of working with women I find personally attractive without arousal or being distracted. He talks like a horny teenager who just saw a bra strap in science class.
"Do not let your children do anything you dislike." "Do not bother children while they are skate-boarding." But what if I don't like that my children are skate-boarding?? What am I supposed to do then?
@@miigi-p4939 As stated in the anti-woke ACT 2021, I will be placing you under arrest in relation to breaching section 2 : 11 which specifically states that no person is to glorify or mention weird sexualities that don't exist. Please come quietly or I may use some toxic masculinity to subdue you.
#6 is the one that really gets me. I can't count the number of times a conservative or anti mask or anti vaxxer has realized I wasn't falling for their bullshit so they try and tell me I'll be happier if I stop focusing on the world and focus on myself.
Another reason this is bullshit is because the rule is just a deflection, the goalpost just gets moved further and further. They tell you to "focus on yourself" and "set your house in perfect order", but there's no endpoint on what "perfect order" means. Oh, you wanna change X, Y and Z? But what about completely unrelated things A, B & C in _your own_ life? Looks like you can't do social activism after all, honey, sorry"
@@nob2243 "A March Against Cancer? But what about your heart disease?" "Yeah, I'm not exactly suited to walking very far in the march, but that's not really the point, Jacob..."
@@nob2243 It's against poor people, mentally ill and just people in general. People are going to fall into terrible circumstantial bad times at least a few times in their life that doesn't mean because their life falls apart they can't criticize the world.
We should distinguish between good advice and useful advice. "Be confident" is a good advice, but it's not a useful one, because just telling someone to be confident won't make that someone to actually be confident.
I work in mental health and am in school to get my masters and become a therapist. What you said was accurate, Peterson "advice" is a mixture of vacuous nothingness and obvious things most people understand without being told it. His self help on the surface is relatively benign, but when mixed with his solcial commentary and ideology is dangerous. Most people don't just stop listening to Peterson after 12 rules for life, they find his lectures and interviews. Also listening to his lectures it is almost unintelligible, a lot like some of his responses to questions. His debate with Matt Dillahunty has some great moments where Matt asks a question and Peterson just rambles meaninglessly.
"Grow a backbone" is another example of this. It can be good, even in some cases necessary, advice, but can be difficult if not impossible to execute for a lot of people. Not to mention it's important to grow the right kind of backbone, so - at least in the long term - you don't end up replacing being a shrinking violet with being a Karen.
@@greywolf7577 Err...no? Make up exists to make people look different, regardless of in what way. That's why it's used in movies and in theatre. In personal use, it's especially not for other people because it's usually not put on when other people are around (and thus is inherently based on personal preference). As for people using make up when they're home alone, do you have a source for that? Just consider for a moment the claim you made. Unless you specifically surveyed people on that with some mechanism for keeping them honest, that'd be impossible to know.
Peterson's advice in and of itself isn't bad, but the worst part is what he actually writes. From the pretentious metaphors involving biblical and mythological references, as well as the "women are serpentine chaos dragons." Not to forget the guy's a hypocrite from not cleaning his room/office, not speaking precisely, and not lying.
Also his daughter seems to wear a lots of red lipsticks for someone whose daddy have some really perverted theories about women wearing makeup(red lipsticks specifically). He said that he was accused of sexual assault 3 times. His statements seems like self report. Lol.
@@wayln2591 Are you talking about the theory of how make up was made to boost sexual caracteristics? Because he’s right. Have you ever read a book about body language or anthropology in your life dude? It’s funny how leftist try to find a way tal about Jordan Peterson about a very logical point, but defend vaush when he talk about how child porn should be legal since we buy iPhones and clothes, or how conservatives should be killed.
Rule 10: Be precise with your language “Yup, good... I get it, I understand. Simple enough. Sounds good to me” Rule 11: Avoid the chaos dragon “Wait wuh?”
His language is so absurdly _imprecise_ it's laughable to hear him say this. Thought Slime dissected passages from "Maps of Meaning," it was a hot mess.
A good thing to remember when talking to new people, especially when socializing with strangers….. people are so wrapped up in their own world so if you come across awkward or they don’t want to talk to you, they will most likely forget the whole encounter an hour later. All this means is it’s ok to try to talk to new people. If it doesn’t go well the other person won’t even remember by the end of the day. Just get out there and talk to people more despite the fear.
@@FreyjaHerself I know. It’s easier to deal with when you can remember that basically everyone out there is as weird and messed up as anyone else. Hope you can get more comfortable getting out of your own head. It’s not easy but it’s valuable. Best wishes
Truly. We have to remember that screwing up harmlessly is okay. When it comes to personal interaction, sometimes mistakes happen. Get over what people think of you, because often enough, they won't even remember your name
Unless someone is being malicious, creepy, or offensive, I generally have positive feelings about interactions with others, even if they are weird or awkward. It’s nice when someone tries to connect with you, so I won’t judge them, and I think a lot of people probably have a similar mindset. So if you are awkward, it’s okay- it doesn’t necessarily ruin people’s impressions of you.
Laugh at Jordan Peterson all you want, but when I ended up in a coma in a Russian hospital after eating nothing but salt and meat, his rules really came in handy. thanks JP!
I never understood why my life was going so badly until he told me about Apple Cider Vinegar. I no longer live with an overwhelming sense of impending doom!
If you spent most of your life guiding others you would see patterns of successful happy people. Our current day point of view that any way of living your life is valid doesn't mean that it will lead to success or happiness
@@sandcastledx of course, but JP doesn’t often engage in a meta-analysis of why that pattern arises. As OP hinted in their comment, JP simply gestures vaguely at ‘the natural order’ rather than reflecting on the history of societies changing, how feudalism caused people to see ‘the natural order’ completely differently, and thus how an altered civilization is the most likely cause of altered views of ‘nature.’ JP’s “is-ought” fallacy is that he calls this era’s version of “success” the timeless natural form of success. It is a grave error that causes societies to wallow in their status quo indefinitely.
@@Sprite_525 we see tons of examples of how specific behaviours are bad for outcomes that we value in society. Married people are happier than people who do random hook ups, they also earn more income. Any observation about society can see that certain values and cultures are better for success. If we were to say that some cultures are just "different" that's fine but you can't also turn around and complain when they don't have the same life outcomes and blame that on racism. There's a reason that Asian and Indian people in the US out earn the white population. That reason is the kind of advice Peterson gives in this book
@@Sprite_525 to summarize. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to say all cultures and values are valid forms of expression that's fine but you can't also compare them to measures of success that have been found to best come from conventional behaviours that Peterson suggests following
What I usually dislike about self help books is that they make a shit ton of assumptions about you then throw advices accordingly. If half of them hits you're really lucky, or really impressionable.
Haven’t watched yet but I heard a lot of self help authors use the same method as horoscopes. You make broad generalizations that everyone can see themselves being, and then give individualized answers. It doesn’t matter what the answer is if people identified with the horoscope, they’ll believe the answer.
Seven habits of highly effective people is an example of self help literature that doesn’t have this problem, it’s also way older than most other self help books, a lot of the rhetoric seems to be rooted in ancient Stoicism, it focuses more on universal principles of human behavior that pretty much everybody can identify with unless they’re a psychopath.
Yeah, I used to be a self-help addict, until I realized that these books aren’t geared toward me, and even if they were, books don’t talk back when you start to veer off into illness. That’s why friends, community, and therapy are way better than self help books. Even Socrates said that books about wisdom are bad compared to irl connection, because books don’t talk or care about you at all. But self help books don’t admit this, since it would end their profits.
@@sloga5804 Another one that I love is Atomic Habits by James Clear. I pretty much recommend that book to anyone who tells me they're going through a tough time. James Clear is very clear that he is simply providing the tools that helped him and maybe you can find some information that helps you as well.
I always befriend cats on the street. I made a cat friend who lives next to where I work, his name is hero and he walks with a limp. He visits me on my lunch break every day. He’s a very good boy.
As an ex-JW the bit about speaking up and taking up space Vaush is very relevant to me. Religion somehow blows up ego but makes you feel physically and mentally small.
Former Christian here. I always felt a strange level of kinship with people like you, even if they dont. I know this is odd to suddenly say, but I dislike the anti-furry retoric I have heard Jimmy Snow say recently, I would recommend for new athiests and new apostates of any faith to be welcoming to others, as its the "elitist" behavior from some athiests that prevent its spread.
Oh an exjw here :D I watch a lot of John Cedars/Lloyd Evans because I find it very interesting, but was never religious. Props for leaving man, cults are one of the worst things humanity can create. I hope you can walk in a room and take up some space, just to make you and your surroundings smile
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Jimmy's going on a campaign against furries? Man, that's disappointing, what did he say about them? I used to watch his stuff, wouldn't expect it from him.
@@LeSyd1984 "Organized religions" is a way broader net than "Abrahamic" (which btw is probably the word you want to use, rather than "Judeo-Islamic", after all, JW is a branch of christianity). Don't go discounting Hinduism, Sikhism, ...
"Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world" This is absolute garbage. We should always be able to criticize our leaders and the system in which we live in no matter what our house looks like.
Also an effective way of continually gatekeeping and goal post moving in order to silence people. You can’t address issues and complain about oppressive systems, you’re homeless/you live in a shitty apartment/you can’t get a job etc. etc. It’s an extension of the means for keeping the privileged people within the systems of their privilege and oppressed people within the systems of their oppression, while attempting to undermine their credibility in even speaking on these systems.
Also it just reeks of Gen X conservative Dad pissed because his 20 something leftist kid told him not to tell a racist joke at Thanksgiving dinner and he’s remembering that time they had a messy room at age 14
I’m actually with JBP on this advice but not for the reasons you maybe suspecting. Changing the world or a society is an extremely daunting task that requires a extreme amount of patience and resilience. If you’re not taking care of yourself or your mental health, you are not going to make it far. Look at the leftist discourse on mental health, it’s almost like we’re more inclined to excuse, cuddle and massage mental disorders instead of finding ways and advice to cope with them. If you’re experiencing major bout of depression and anxiety, your first priority is yourself. Also this rule can be connected to the first rule on confidence and posture, if you’re not confident and you showing off signs of uncertainty how you possible even fathom the idea of you helping to change the world?
@@chain_of_nothing you are Correct but hear is what it is called and what it does. Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin Tū quoque, for "you also"), is an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior as being inconsistent with the argument's conclusion(s). This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack.
So you can’t criticize the world unless your house is in PERFECT order? I’ve seen JBP’s house, and he seems to be playing a little fast and loose with the term “perfect.”
I disliked this video. Not because I didn't like it, but because "Frodo ... Last Name..." is the most offensive statement you've ever said aloud. Tolkien just rolled in his grave.
The Lord Of The Rings is supremely influential but it's overly worshipped and overrated. Like seriously, why can't he write it like a normal person? The Hobbit was so much better as a book. The Hobbit movies sucked tho.
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 take your valid criticisms & tidy your room. You can’t criticise *anything* unless your house is in perfect order. And that’s not even a metaphor for having skeletons on the closet or acting in bad faith. It literally means you can only voice your opinion if your house is neat & tidy SO GET CLEANING!
the moment i heard vaush say “pegs” i quickly picked up my phone to check what the chat was saying because i just knew what to expect- and i was not disappointed
I've been a male nurse for 7 years where I'm out numbered 1 male to 9 females.... I can tell Jordan with absolute 💯 confidence that no female nurse wears red lipstick to work.
vaush is 100% right on just going to a place and interacting with people. just off the top of my head, some of the most fulfilling interactions i’ve had with people were a balls off the wall conversation with an old man at the dog park, and a brief period where i helped a grandma watch her grandsons in line for and on a rollercoaster. it’s not necessarily a way to make friends, but positive social interactions with strangers are just as important in my opinion. it’s less related to the overall point but i have to mention how insane the conversation with that old man was. he had like ten pomeranians (which is how the convo started - they were all very mean to any approaching dogs, but when my pomeranian approached they were chill. these were some very racist dogs.) and he talked about his dogs, how he bred them, how he had MORE AT HOME. and then the convo drifted to just. the craziest stuff i just stood there and nodded so he’d keep talking. he said he isolated the exact part of the brain stem where the soul is located and that this knowledge could cure autism. an objectively awful take but the experience was FASCINATING
What counts as success and "natural" has varied between years, generations and centuries. Remember how it was just a "natural fact" that certain people had divine right to rule over a population?
@aa b Natural selection, aka "Survival of the fittest" is determined by numerous genetic and environmental factors (and luck), not the dictate of something like a sun god protecting a specific bloodline.
@aa b It's not "survival of the fittest" but "survival of the good enough to reproduce and (in case of pack animals like humans) create a more or less functioning group" That's why colour blind people exist. Their ancestors' disability didn't stop them from having children and their friends as well as family helped them when needed
That interview about lipstick was ridiculous, to the point I'm pretty sure Peterson vets all of them for what interviewers can and cannot say in response to the absurd nonsense he spews. His stance can be so easily deconstructed, it barely qualifies as a stance at all.
That's because he is not taking a stance, he is just asking questions! He is a real modern day Socrates. Or at least that's how he wants to present himself, I guess. But seriously, "I am just asking questions" is around the same level of non-commitment and plausible deniability as "it's just a joke" and "this is not political, it's just entertainment."
She wears makeup(red lipsticks specifically) almost everytime but then jp is a huge girfter and hypocrite so obvi he won't say anything about his daughter wearing it. But it's interesting how is incel following doesn't question this. How easy it is to brainwash young men. Lol.
@A Ryzen still makes him a hypocrite. He didn’t *have* to make that a rule in one of his books, but he chose to do so. Which means he absolutely played himself on this one.
@A Ryzen Nobody will ever be perfect, not even JP, and that is why his rule of "fix your house before fixing the world" makes no sense and is hypocritical.
@A Ryzen I mean…Vausch literally explains how in the video, I’m not sure why you need it explained twice. Being hooked on benzos doesn’t make JP a hypocrite. Being hooked on benzos while telling ppl they shouldn’t engage in any type of activism or political outreach (JP’s whole career) until you’ve gotten your own house in order (a goal that is never truly attainable and he knows that) makes him a hypocrite b/c JP’s house is *FAR* from “in order.” It’s all about the worldview he promotes. He preaches an ideology where addicts and poor ppl should be dismissed or ignored because they lack the discipline and strength of character to be taken seriously. Meanwhile JP’s own life is a goddamn mess. By his own logic, no one should listen to him. It’s a good thing most leftists don’t agree with this approach. I don’t think being addicted to benzos makes JP unworthy of consideration, I don’t think having a messy personal life invalidates someone’s arguments or worldview. But Jordan Peterson does.
If my workplace would allow it, I would show up in a potato bag. Though most modern potato bags being translucent, my workplace would frown on it. Unenlightened heathens!
Anyone notice ZERO of Jordan Peterson's rules tell you to go to therapy? And what to look for in a therapist? And yet Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychiatrist? ... It's almost like Jordan Peterson does not want his followers to get better!
@Blue Skies Media I'm sorry that happened to you. That please understand Jordan Peterson is not a good alternative. He teaches you to isolate yourself and be paranoid about an imaginary Boogeyman called post modern neoliberal Marxist Boogeyman. I don't know what you're struggling to and I'm not going to pretend I know the answer. And I know I'm just some random person on the internet so I know my tone cannot be expressed but I truly feel sympathetic for you. I really hope one day you can find what you need maybe not in therapy maybe in something else but regardless of what it is I hope you find will help you.
Do ppl know therapy in certain countries suck bc the healthcare is unaffordable due to over privatisation and overburdened? An universal tax funded healthcare means easier access to all types of healthcare and pay back long term. My friends got better with therapy bc they can choose and don't have to worry about financing it. The robust public education + free colleges means more ppl can become qualified therapists and further studies in the field. I- It's so frustrating to see people pushing against their own best interests thanks to conservative "intellectuals".
So by Jordan Peterson's logic, 2001: A Space Odyssey is a bad movie that shouldn't be taken seriously, because there is a lot of sexual symbolism in it. Like he would be horrified at how phallic the space ship is.
But was the space ship made to be phallic on purpose by the director of the movie, or is that just something that people interpreted later about the movie?
Well jp the fool thinks frozen is a feminist propaganda and guess what his male following believed it...did u expect something better from him and his incel following??no wonder male virginity is skyrocketing...i am actually concerned if a date is a jp fan. It's a huge flag and that person should be avoided 😂😂😂😂😂
I told my friend everything bad about JP and he STILL read his 12 rules and listened to his self-help lectures. Now he has called himself a Sigma Male unironically, and keeps telling me this Masculine Sigma Male shit is a universal truth.
I am dealing with the same thing but i am trying to get him back. I will lose him to JP maybe by introducing him to better " self help" reading that don't turn him against women
@aa b I wish i could , but he keeps bringing it up everytime we watch a movie that has sligh critics of the system and start talking about how genuis jp is. It's so annoying
The "treat yourself like your body is on loan from future you" thing is great on paper and it makes a lot of sense to me, but that's something I really struggle with because of my ADHD. I want to work on this though.
I've managed to make it my new hyperfixation. I'm not working out daily but I feel fantastic all things considered. Maybe try to become obsessed with health and see if it works out for you too?
ah yea, adhd has "now" and "not now" when it comes to time management. my advice is to not see it as a future goal, but instead a bunch of right now goals. if you can make healthy eating and working out enjoyable itself (which it can be), you dont need to fight your adhd and try to plan for the future. i use this for school. i want to be top of my class with really great grades, but even a few months feels like too long of a goal to really work out. so instead, i give myself the goal of doing as good as i can on every project, which has the same effect as doing good for the entire class but its more digestable for my brain. if youre struggling with something, try breaking it down into smaller tasks, even if it means breaking your essay down sentence by sentence. another comment suggested making that thing a hyperfixation, which also works great dont try to fight against your adhd so you can pretend to have a neurotypical brain, because itll just be a constant battle and end up making you feel exhausted. work with what you have, use your weaknesses to your advantage. having adhd is like driving somewhere just to find out a tree fell on the road. you can give up, or you can try to drive through the tree, but neither will help you get to where you need to go and itll feel like the worlds against you. just remember that you can take the scenic route, and sure itll take longer but its better than trying to overpower a tree blocking your way
It shouldn't be an ADHD struggle, it's a mindset to internalize, not a task to focus on. Well, it's partly a task but if you practice that sugma grindset™ it's gonna positively affect you anyway.
I just want to point out, while the first book was "an antidote to chaos" then the second book's theme was "some chaos is good actually," but then the first rule in the *pro-chaos* book includes "hey guys don't be too hasty to criticize the existing social order."
@@livery955 what a dumb way to frame this. You should read the book. You personally would likely benefit from listenining to a conservative, actually. I habe a feeling your life is a disaster currently.
@@lukem7464 I ain't spending money on a book written by a hypocrite who tells people to clean their rooms and be personally responsible whilst having his own house like a chicken nest and got himself addicted to drugs. But you keep projecting onto other people, as long as it makes you sleep better at night.
I really like your analysis of different neighborhoods and different socialization. My family is working/middle class, and the neighborhoods we've lived in have always been pretty community oriented. When I am visiting my dad's apartment, I always hear kids playing outside and people chatting. It helps that we live in Minneapolis, which has so many amazing public parks and events. Also, it feel like upper/middle class people that keep a garden in their front yard are way more likely to be social than people who have lawns.
That stuff about the good neighborhoods vs the bad neighborhoods is so true. When I moved up a social class, this was very difficult to adjust to. I was used to just running outside and playing with whatever kids happened to be out. Other kids would hear us and then they would run out. In the suburbs I was alone and miserable the majority of the time.
I would argue that "allowing kids to be kids and enjoy their hobbies, even if you don't understand" and "take time to appreciate the little things" as very solid rules
As someone from a city that was built on the textile industry, it always annoys me when JP claims that men and women have only worked together for 50 years 🙄 It wasn't just the women and men working together, the children were too and this industry has gone on for Millennia
My main issue with these rules is that they are kind of useless. Be confident? Tell the truth? Do what you like? Really? I get it that some people need very basic stuff beign told to them in order to fully grasp those ideas, but these Aunt's Facebook Page-tier advices are so lame.
@aa b I saw some good faith comments from you and I hope you can just stop it? Facts or not facts aren't the binary matrix to determine whether or not an argument or position is valuable or logically consistent. They can be separate. Aka I don't need facts to disagree and reject JP's philosophy/ideology (see his chaos vs order, for some ppl his order = police are in fact chaos and horror). Some if his points can be dismantled with facts like statistics quicker. You might resonate with his self help bc his life experiences map up to yours or you like the way his advices are presented (with intellectual language) and that's okay, but pls recognise he's selling his political ideology with it to you.
A part of me really feels like Jordan Peterson is just a Canadian version of Ben Shapiro. So instead of *angry whining* its just "uh, well, uh, you know, uh when the stars align, I think its best to become conservative, probably, I mean, you have your own choice to do what you want, but, uh, I would recommend...uh, maybe..."
Red lips? Rouged cheeks? Is Peterson stuck in the '50s...? Also: makeup is not a sexual invite. Also II: lack of makeup doesn't deter a man determined to hit on someone.
Yes and no. There is a difference between looking respectable and looking sexy. It´s kind of unfair to women, because most of their fashion choices are on the sexy side, even if they try to just look respectable. Skirts, tight blouses, push-up bras, heels, lipsticks etc. are all designed to directly elevate their sexual characteristics (and in case of the heels, also to destroy their feet, lol). The closest male equivalent is a tight tank top on a muscular dude, or tight pants to show a nice-looking ass, none of which is usually a part of a male outfit at work. It´s kind of hard to compare the two.
@@chend2713 so many males wear suits that women find attractive...tatoos that women find attractive....those mras shouldn't get mad about those men being sexually assaulted coz they were asking for it by looking good.
@@jirkazalabak1514 ik I'm late but i think this isn't objectively true, it just seems intuitive because women are more sexualised in general. And on the flip side: ties, fitted shirts, etc are all considered sexy from women's pov too - the fact that you would arbitrarily make a distinction between these clothes by deeming one "respectable" and the other "sexy" (as if the two are mutually exclusive, too) is super weird and indicative of your biases way more than any real sociological phenomenon.
Vaush, he didn’t crank out the second book after the Russia stuff. He originally wrote 42 rules on Quora, which went viral on that site in like 2015. The 24 rules from the two books came from that list of 42, and the second book was well underway long before the Russian coma.
So when I wear blue lipstick it's because I'm signalling that I'm hyperthermic in an attempt to attract warm snuggly blankets? I mean I'm not saying that's not the case but to be honest it doesn't really work that often :p
I don't understand people who make fun of his drug addiction. All of you bleed your hearts out for murderers and criminals from inner cities who have done nothing but cause destruction to society. But if someone has done an enormous amount of good but made the wrong noises about trans people you lose your shit. You are all truly children mentally. Also the drug addiction has nothing to do with anything he is saying. To believe it does is actually a logical fallacy. But again.. Children thinking
Since you're all pretty stupid I'll actually lay out why it doesn't make any sense. His point with putting your house in order is that you should learn how to solve simple problems in your own life because those are actually a subset of societies larger problems. If we actually take responsibility for our lives then we largely don't need government or others to take care of us and we can start to help other people. It's the same logic of putting on your air mask on a plane before helping others. His drug addiction is completely understandable given what he went through and he did resolve it even though it almost killed him. The rule doesn't apply to him because he is already a very competent person. He is able to help others. Simplistic reading of these rules shows how they went completely over your head. You basically boiled it down to an ad hominem fallacy
@@sandcastledx Because he's a pompous moralizing ass who pretends he's found a better way. And makes money setting himself up as an example of what to think and how to live. The junkie on the street is preaching to no one. Given the choice, I'd prefer the junkie's company to that of a false prophet.
@@JeffRebornNow so your problem is that you don't agree with him? Everything you said can be true of anyone who gives advice to others. His advice is very sound and people seek it out because they are lost. Finding your own way through the world when you have no role models is a horrible idea and exactly what leads to the junkie on the street
has Jordan Peterson ever held on office workplace with women? and wtf is with "we don't know the rules of sexual harassment", dude the rules are there plastered on the walls.
when I was 16 or something, I loved Jordan Peterson. I don't even know why, I am female and he obviously is misogynistic. At that time my mental health was very bad and I didn't know what I had. It felt like I was on drugs all the time. His talks about IQ are horrific, and very questionable for someone who considers themselves a psychologist
I mean, I have never come across a psychologist I trust. Well, one-ish. But because they didn't see me as something to be fixed. Or didn't come across that.
@@shis1988 yeah it's difficult to find one that fits you and knows enough to help you. Or even finds the right diagnosis. Sometimes you have to help yourself and read a lot of books about psychology
Peterson is like that professor that may be entertaining to watch and may even have some points that will make you say "hmm well that's true" but the true intelligence lies in being able to sift out the garbage. Not to mention that it's also completely bs to dismiss any criticism of him by telling the critic that he should first watch 100 hours of his lectures.
“Pet a cat” and “don’t bother skateboarding kids” sound like shitposts. It feels like he’s trolling us. 😂 Like, I get that they’re metaphors. But at face value they sound like shitposts.
Which is why Ian needs to read the book rather than continuing to fulfill his own caricature as a wikipedia scholar / ridiculous purveyor of straw man.
As pointed out by the Vaush, rule 13-24 would automatically fall in the lowest tier. 1st book was interesting but the 2nd one looks quite unuseful at best.
vaush, JP's "rules" might sound good but when you read the chapter you see just how shit his advice actually is. I recommend Hannah and Jake's review of his book. Great review, great time!
"Abandon Ideology": I can't believe a doctor in psychology came up with a quote so stupid Ferris Bueller said it as a joke. "isms, in my opinion, are not good" - Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Virtually, identical in meaning.
Having suffered through reading the entire book, and ALSO listening to [Hannah] and Jake's review where they read the whole book ad verbatim, I can say that the worst part about his 12 rules book is half the chapters have NOTHING to do with the title, or make the advice even worse. If you want to go read the book, pirate it, it's hot garbage if viewed through even the slightest critical lens at all. There are maybe a few nuggets that are great, that you could also just get from a cheesy motivational poster.
Take a look at the Blizzard fiasco if you want to see how much you should trust HR. HR isn’t looking out for employees, they’re out to avoid lawsuits and bad PR for the company.
@@aaronjohnston2751 While it's true that HR is there to protect the company, an HR department that isn't just mind-blowingly incompetent does this in part by imposing rules to at least theoretically prohibit abuse. So while HR is unlikely to be of any help to you if these rules are actually broken, we do know what the rules are. Most jobs I've worked have either a little training or a thing in the break room that says like "No lewd comments. No racist comments. Try not to rape people."
IIRC by his own admission Peterson has had multiple allegations of sexual impropriety, so he's probably plenty familiar with dealing with HR departments.
@@JallyJam As a biology major, it never ceases to amaze me just how childish and down right wrong Peterson's followers are on their understanding of biology. Animal kingdoms aren't influential on how we behave, they are just a way to classify organisms. There are only three animal kingdoms and they are distinguished on their way of nutrition. Humans also don't have hierarchies, Peterson who is supposed to be a respected figure in academia literally regurgitates a debunked wolf study (which was retracted and denounced by the author themselves) as some form of valid world view. I hate to break it to you but wolves don't act that way the debunked study states and we aren't wolves, we don't piss and shit on one another or eat raw meat. Also "gender" (which I'm assuming you don't consider different from sex) doesn't have the effect you think it does. Does sex have an effect on behavior? Yes. What influences our bodies and behaviors as a whole? Chromosomes. Small changes to chromosomes (pre or post natal) can have big impacts on our behavior and bodies as well. Although this may seem overboard, I just wanted to address all your flawed arguments. I also want to say this genuinely but read a biology textbook instead of taking biology lessons from a conservative psych professor with a outdated understanding of it.
It's an obvious guess that this "Rules" grift that Peterson has going on isn't over and 12 more are coming after the second set, which were only possible because he needed a way to cover the bills coming from the predictable disaster that was his drug addiction. You'd think he had things figured out. 😩
12 Rules for Life started from an Answer from Quora he posted there in 2014 if I remember right. The whole Post had something like 99 Rules. Soooooo.... He still has enough rules he can turn into books for 6 more ^^'
It's self help bro. People find a lot of value in what he has to say which is why these books are best sellers. You can't say someone is a grifter because you don't agree with them politically. That's just being stupid
@@shis1988 this isn't a thought. I have nothing to respond to. If you think that you've learned everything you can you are seriously mistaken. Self help and advice books are so valuable to have new tools to think about and solve your problems.
"does sexual harassment happen in the workplace? yes, but will it end? not yet, because we don't know what the rules are" i'm not exactly sure why jordan peterson doesn't immediately spot "dont sexually harass women in the workplace" as a rather obvious rule, really makes you think 🤔
I grew up in a smallish town and had the same friends all growing up. Went to college in a bigger city where I didn’t know anybody, and started to learn to get over my initial shyness. What REALLY got me to the point where I can talk to anybody was becoming a bartender. Among the best lessons I’ve learned is that I can get along with pretty much everybody. Even a person who i totally disagree with on pretty much everything. I just have to find the level where we DO agree and stick with that. Although some of the best conversations I’ve had were with people who I don’t agree with who were willing to exchange ideas in a civil way, we didn’t have to change each other’s minds, just sharing thoughts. Not everybody is capable of that, in which case I stick with talking about weather or music or whatever. TLDR; everybody doesn’t have to agree about everything, it’s fine that we all have different viewpoints. We can still coexist just fine, as long as we try to be respectful of each other.
The other day I was thinking about how I don’t let myself be genuine, and I was just thinking “god some day I want to be me.” And then I realized I don’t want to be me, I want to be better.
You'll get there~ Do what you're capable of in the moment; give yourself the grace to fail sometimes, don't be ashamed to seek a professional's help [whether coaching or full on therapy], and just keep trying! You can do it!
I think Vaush going over these points and critiquing them was useful and in some small way enlightening for young men watching this. His views in the ending segment are important. This was a strong video for Vaush, I hope a lot of guys who need it get to watch it.
@Lukas Nero 🤣 classic "not enough context" jbp defence. Don't you guys get tired? Do i need to read every single word of his benzo brain rot to criticise one thing? Maybe such a visionary genius philosopher poet like him should find it easier to express his points more cogently. Maybe it's not everyone's fault that the shit he writes and says sounds like it does, maybe it's his fault for being duplicitous (or the literal brain rot).
Cass Eris did a full review of each of the first 12 rules and what ol' Peterson uses to exemplify those rules. Some of that stuff is scary, some of it is judgemental, some of it is outright wrong and a lot of it reeks of Christian conservatism. The rules might see fine at face value but what lies underneath is waaay worse.
ive seen a couple minutes of cass eris. I hope things really get better because the impression I have now of her is that she seems to understand what she wants to understand just like vaush. And before you tell me about her background in psychology, I remind you that Jordan Peterson also has a background in that, and looking at cass, it seems that if you even added up the time she has been walking on the earth, it would be insufficient to compare it with the time jordan peterson has been practicing psychology, and I don't think that should be taken lightly..
By "She understands what she wants to understand" do you mean the fact that Peterson's language is so extremely vague and flowery (despite what of his rules being about precise expression... Funny that) that you can infer just about anything you want from? The eternal "That's not what I meant" defense? Personally, my impression of the man is so low at thins point that if he told me the earth orbited the sun, I'd double check with an astronomer. Also, a lot of people have been on this planet a long time, that hardly makes them wise or correct by default.
@@e.j.d.rorchea6467 I'm in agreement with Victor here. While I don't think one should take anyone's impression as fact, Cass Eris at the very least tries to provide thorough context for anything she examines. Jordan Peterson just has a habit of speaking in very flowery language that is tough to understand. As for the comment about age, Cass Eris is actually in their 30s while Jordan Peterson is not even 60 years old, so the age difference is not as severe as it might appear. Worth considering, but Cass does have experience.
This video is absolutely true when Vaush talks about not being taught to be vulnerable and human until they’re 18 and thrown out into the world to learn it or be miserable
JPs position on working with women has real "what were you wearing when the man sexually harassed you in the workplace" vibes. The idea that no king has assaulted a scullery maid is laughable. Also, not to be harsh, but the maid that the Govenator cheated on his wife with, wasn't exactly a glamour model. More she was, proximate.
Honestly, shonen anime actually saved me and helped me construct a more compassionate masculinity for myself, no joke. Then again, I was also reacting against the dipshit misogynists online and was trying to stitch together something else that fit with my already-held values. That, the isolation of COVID, and the sheer self-hatred I had to work through finally allowed me to make peace with myself, construct a healthy self-concept, and become a leftist. EDIT: I also came across Vaush on accident while looking for UA-cam takes on the Smash Bros sexual assault stuff.
I don't think the rules in themselves are the issue with Peterson. If you watch Jake and Hannah's review of the first book... what he writes in each chapter is very yikes.
I straight up don't know how to be confident anymore. I spent my entire childhood building up this idea that everyone near me had these massive expectations because I coasted through high school. I destroyed any hope to meet those expectations (due to things in and out of my control) and now I live in a future that didn't exist in my mind. I fear that it will take another childhood-length of time to get back to the point where I think I deserve to take up space, and my physical health suffered so much from my depression I fear I won't live that long. Idk why anyone would still be reading this cause I mean who cares, but I don't have anywhere else to say it. I wish the thing making me worse wouldn't make it so hard to do anything to get better.
I care, friend, and I’m hoping you success in your recovery. I understand how oppressive and frustrating that cycle can be, but I think you can get out of it, and I want you to
i was there a few months ago and im better now and have large goals and am working towards them again. the thing that helped was having someone believe in me . im lucky.
it’s so funny to see Jordan Peterson’s character arc from “Be precise in your speech” to “Do not hide unwanted things in the fog”. Like damn creative writing class take it down a notch
So... Jordan Peterson doesn't want women wearing high heels in the workplace? So... wouldn't he be in agreement with the feminists fighting against women being *required* to wear high heels in many workplaces?
No. The difference is JP wants to *limit* women's choices of professional wardrobe and makeup vs feminists wanting to *expand* women's choices to wear more casual clothing or no makeup and not be devalued in workplace.
Some advice for my fellow aspies and other people who need help with social skills; try working or volunteering in aged care or disability. I'm an aspie and I've been working in aged care for six years. It's helped me develop my social skills, confidence and small-talk skills tremendously. It's hard work and intimidating, but so worth it. That and you build relationships with people who are really interesting, but ignored by society because they're old and/or disabled.
One thing I will say - and I think this is why it’s so popular - the little things like “make one room as beautiful as possible” and “do one thing and try to see how it goes” is really good for people that have depression and anxiety, where tasks can seem daunting and overwhelming. Sometimes compartmentalizing that can make it easier to actually follow through with, over taking on your entire home all at once. Especially if you have let things get bad
Jordan Peterson is like: *says a normal, useful thing (clean your room) then immediately says the weirdest misogynistic shit you’ve ever heard* . . . :0
It's nice to hear someone nowadays express new and interesting ideas, like Christian conservatism.
@@darrenmims Clearly a joke.
@@darrenmims you gotta trust yourself more
I heard conservatism is the *new* punk.
@The 4th Reich Nazis were atheist bro
XD
It's always the worst when some decent advice is mixed in with pure garbage advice, because it can ease people in to accepting the garbage.
Exactly, like mixing lies with truth
And now you know how indoctrination works!
And this is exactly how I wasted 2 years of my fucking life
@@weirdautumn ummm well u have to kinda expand your mind about what self help is. Like IMO self help books are books that remind and reinforce beliefs you already have. So even the manifesto is in a way a self help book
plot twist: the garbage advice is garbage because vaush is interpreting them in the most bad faith way possible. "Set your house in order" isn't about being perfect in absolute terms, it's about doing what you CAN do, which is obviously a very good idea. But I guess it would be bad optics to agree with every rule, so gotta pick some to misrepresent.
Let's hope that there won't be a 3rd book of Jordan Peterson's 12 rules, or people will be googling "Jordan Peterson rule 34" one day...
OH NO
BASED
This reply chain is indicative of the dichotomy of man.
Lol
Well...
The rule is clear, and since Jordan Peterson exists as well as the Internet then I shall repress my urges to satisfy my morbid curiosity and NEVER Google those things. Ignorance is total bliss!
It's weird how obsessed Jordan is with framing women in a sexualizing manner with most things.
It's because conservative men (and, counterintuitively, many women) view women as lesser beings to be controlled and to have sexual relations with rather than equals to work with or befriend.
@The 4th Reich Keep boosting the algorithm comrade
As a lesbian, I am 100% capable of working with women I find personally attractive without arousal or being distracted. He talks like a horny teenager who just saw a bra strap in science class.
@The 4th Reich don’t you mean reich?
I’ll see myself out
@@JallyJam You basically just agreed that conservatives want to maintain a more animalistic relationship, between men and women.
"Do not let your children do anything you dislike."
"Do not bother children while they are skate-boarding."
But what if I don't like that my children are skate-boarding?? What am I supposed to do then?
Kill them, JP has no rule against that
If you are curious then maybe consider reading a chapter instead of a headline.. Dont be like Vaush, read a book
Use jp's book as toilet paper.
@@tommj4365 well he literally advocates violence for controlling children so no doubt. Lol.
@@Borrelaas watch hannah and jake's and cass eirs's analysis on that garbage books. His advice is trash just like him.
Vaush I think you're being really culturally insensitive Jordan is merely describing the makeup of his people, the clowns.
A group known to be incredibly sexually attractive
🤡
@@turbosonic7219 ace people are going to be happy then
I am placing you under arrest.
@@miigi-p4939 As stated in the anti-woke ACT 2021, I will be placing you under arrest in relation to breaching section 2 : 11 which specifically states that no person is to glorify or mention weird sexualities that don't exist. Please come quietly or I may use some toxic masculinity to subdue you.
#6 is the one that really gets me. I can't count the number of times a conservative or anti mask or anti vaxxer has realized I wasn't falling for their bullshit so they try and tell me I'll be happier if I stop focusing on the world and focus on myself.
It's such bullshit because conservative policy is too often about casting judgment on some undesirable group
Conservatives don’t understand that making the world a better place can be a major source of happiness.
Another reason this is bullshit is because the rule is just a deflection, the goalpost just gets moved further and further. They tell you to "focus on yourself" and "set your house in perfect order", but there's no endpoint on what "perfect order" means.
Oh, you wanna change X, Y and Z? But what about completely unrelated things A, B & C in _your own_ life? Looks like you can't do social activism after all, honey, sorry"
@@nob2243 "A March Against Cancer? But what about your heart disease?"
"Yeah, I'm not exactly suited to walking very far in the march, but that's not really the point, Jacob..."
@@nob2243 It's against poor people, mentally ill and just people in general. People are going to fall into terrible circumstantial bad times at least a few times in their life that doesn't mean because their life falls apart they can't criticize the world.
We should distinguish between good advice and useful advice. "Be confident" is a good advice, but it's not a useful one, because just telling someone to be confident won't make that someone to actually be confident.
I work in mental health and am in school to get my masters and become a therapist. What you said was accurate, Peterson "advice" is a mixture of vacuous nothingness and obvious things most people understand without being told it.
His self help on the surface is relatively benign, but when mixed with his solcial commentary and ideology is dangerous. Most people don't just stop listening to Peterson after 12 rules for life, they find his lectures and interviews. Also listening to his lectures it is almost unintelligible, a lot like some of his responses to questions. His debate with Matt Dillahunty has some great moments where Matt asks a question and Peterson just rambles meaninglessly.
It’s not always even good advice. Only for people who lack confidence. Horrible advice for a self-aggrandizing narcissist, or an overconfident nimrod.
Those advices could be poison for his fans' minds who often are narcissistic aka overconfidence on the surface and crumbling down underneath.
"Be confident, especially when being wildly incorrect about something."
"Grow a backbone" is another example of this. It can be good, even in some cases necessary, advice, but can be difficult if not impossible to execute for a lot of people. Not to mention it's important to grow the right kind of backbone, so - at least in the long term - you don't end up replacing being a shrinking violet with being a Karen.
Does Jordan Peterson think women put on makeup for the sake of guys? I shudder to think of what his clinical practice is like.
Jordan Peterson thinks women EXIST for the sake of guys.
No he doesn't.
Make up exists to make people more attractive to those around them. People generally don't put on makeup when they are home alone.
@@greywolf7577 Err...no? Make up exists to make people look different, regardless of in what way. That's why it's used in movies and in theatre. In personal use, it's especially not for other people because it's usually not put on when other people are around (and thus is inherently based on personal preference). As for people using make up when they're home alone, do you have a source for that? Just consider for a moment the claim you made. Unless you specifically surveyed people on that with some mechanism for keeping them honest, that'd be impossible to know.
@@hopsonkim4952 😒typical
Peterson's advice in and of itself isn't bad, but the worst part is what he actually writes. From the pretentious metaphors involving biblical and mythological references, as well as the "women are serpentine chaos dragons."
Not to forget the guy's a hypocrite from not cleaning his room/office, not speaking precisely, and not lying.
Also his daughter seems to wear a lots of red lipsticks for someone whose daddy have some really perverted theories about women wearing makeup(red lipsticks specifically). He said that he was accused of sexual assault 3 times. His statements seems like self report. Lol.
Plus, y’know, he’s a vile incel-baiting cryptofash in his private life.
@The 4th Reich Keep boosting the algorithm comrade
@The 4th Reich everyone knows he is right... wing grifter. Why you stating the obvious???
@@wayln2591
Are you talking about the theory of how make up was made to boost sexual caracteristics? Because he’s right.
Have you ever read a book about body language or anthropology in your life dude?
It’s funny how leftist try to find a way tal about Jordan Peterson about a very logical point, but defend vaush when he talk about how child porn should be legal since we buy iPhones and clothes, or how conservatives should be killed.
Rule 10: Be precise with your language
“Yup, good... I get it, I understand. Simple enough. Sounds good to me”
Rule 11: Avoid the chaos dragon
“Wait wuh?”
Hey, it's important to avoid the chaos dragon. It's got 4000 attack points and cannot be targeted or destroyed by card effects.
@@omechron It even deals double piercing damage!
Chasing the dragon (wink wink) is what got him into that whole Russian hospital mess lol 😆
His language is so absurdly _imprecise_ it's laughable to hear him say this. Thought Slime dissected passages from "Maps of Meaning," it was a hot mess.
See, Rule 11 just doesn't apply to you. You haven't sigma grinded enough to raise your Insight level high enough to see the Chaos Dragon.
JP when he* finds out that not everyone blushes during arousal: 👁👄👁
JP learmed everything he knows about womz from anime
I have rosacea and I literally always look like I’m blushing. Lmaooo
Or that makeup, dresses, wigs and heels were extremely popular for men in various points throughout history.
Or that lipstick comes in more than just red, like purple or blue
I mean... I don't know how that would effect his point?
"I am glad to be here with you, Sam, here at the End of All Things." - Frodo Lastname
"I intend to meet them, there, in the Divide, we will have an ending to things."
-Ulysses, last Twisted Hair member who still remembers their history.
"A wizard is never late, Frodo Lastname..."
Lastname? What is Lastnames, precious?
“Be precise in your speech”
“Don’t hide unwanted things in the fog”
Thats the chapter title. He elaborates in the book.
A good thing to remember when talking to new people, especially when socializing with strangers….. people are so wrapped up in their own world so if you come across awkward or they don’t want to talk to you, they will most likely forget the whole encounter an hour later. All this means is it’s ok to try to talk to new people. If it doesn’t go well the other person won’t even remember by the end of the day. Just get out there and talk to people more despite the fear.
They might forget me being a fool, but I can't and thats the problem
@@FreyjaHerself I know. It’s easier to deal with when you can remember that basically everyone out there is as weird and messed up as anyone else. Hope you can get more comfortable getting out of your own head. It’s not easy but it’s valuable. Best wishes
@@FreyjaHerself Perfect, then you know not to act a fool next time and they won't even remember your fuck up.
Truly. We have to remember that screwing up harmlessly is okay. When it comes to personal interaction, sometimes mistakes happen. Get over what people think of you, because often enough, they won't even remember your name
Unless someone is being malicious, creepy, or offensive, I generally have positive feelings about interactions with others, even if they are weird or awkward. It’s nice when someone tries to connect with you, so I won’t judge them, and I think a lot of people probably have a similar mindset. So if you are awkward, it’s okay- it doesn’t necessarily ruin people’s impressions of you.
Laugh at Jordan Peterson all you want, but when I ended up in a coma in a Russian hospital after eating nothing but salt and meat, his rules really came in handy. thanks JP!
I will avoid making any decisions that would lead me to being coma in Russian hospital eating only salt and meat but thanks for the advice.
I never understood why my life was going so badly until he told me about Apple Cider Vinegar. I no longer live with an overwhelming sense of impending doom!
@@ProcyonMPanda-zo2vu then you are smarter than JP
That was a low blow.
It seems like most of JP's arguments come down to the "is-ought" fallacy.
Or the "I like it, so it must be natural" fallacy.
If you spent most of your life guiding others you would see patterns of successful happy people. Our current day point of view that any way of living your life is valid doesn't mean that it will lead to success or happiness
@@sandcastledx of course, but JP doesn’t often engage in a meta-analysis of why that pattern arises. As OP hinted in their comment, JP simply gestures vaguely at ‘the natural order’ rather than reflecting on the history of societies changing, how feudalism caused people to see ‘the natural order’ completely differently, and thus how an altered civilization is the most likely cause of altered views of ‘nature.’
JP’s “is-ought” fallacy is that he calls this era’s version of “success” the timeless natural form of success. It is a grave error that causes societies to wallow in their status quo indefinitely.
@@Sprite_525 we see tons of examples of how specific behaviours are bad for outcomes that we value in society. Married people are happier than people who do random hook ups, they also earn more income. Any observation about society can see that certain values and cultures are better for success.
If we were to say that some cultures are just "different" that's fine but you can't also turn around and complain when they don't have the same life outcomes and blame that on racism.
There's a reason that Asian and Indian people in the US out earn the white population. That reason is the kind of advice Peterson gives in this book
@@Sprite_525 to summarize. You can't have your cake and eat it too. If you want to say all cultures and values are valid forms of expression that's fine but you can't also compare them to measures of success that have been found to best come from conventional behaviours that Peterson suggests following
What I usually dislike about self help books is that they make a shit ton of assumptions about you then throw advices accordingly. If half of them hits you're really lucky, or really impressionable.
Haven’t watched yet but I heard a lot of self help authors use the same method as horoscopes. You make broad generalizations that everyone can see themselves being, and then give individualized answers. It doesn’t matter what the answer is if people identified with the horoscope, they’ll believe the answer.
Seven habits of highly effective people is an example of self help literature that doesn’t have this problem, it’s also way older than most other self help books, a lot of the rhetoric seems to be rooted in ancient Stoicism, it focuses more on universal principles of human behavior that pretty much everybody can identify with unless they’re a psychopath.
Yeah, I used to be a self-help addict, until I realized that these books aren’t geared toward me, and even if they were, books don’t talk back when you start to veer off into illness. That’s why friends, community, and therapy are way better than self help books. Even Socrates said that books about wisdom are bad compared to irl connection, because books don’t talk or care about you at all. But self help books don’t admit this, since it would end their profits.
Sounds kind of like astrology
@@sloga5804 Another one that I love is Atomic Habits by James Clear. I pretty much recommend that book to anyone who tells me they're going through a tough time. James Clear is very clear that he is simply providing the tools that helped him and maybe you can find some information that helps you as well.
I always befriend cats on the street. I made a cat friend who lives next to where I work, his name is hero and he walks with a limp. He visits me on my lunch break every day. He’s a very good boy.
Love this
"Abandon ideology"? JP was on PragerU lmao
@The 4th Reich I hate breaking it to you, but we laugh at you, not with you, kiddy.
@The 4th Reich Keep boosting the algorithm comrade
@The 4th Reich it's crazy how Nazis are fixated on the aesthetics but can't align the white circle around the swastika with their avatar frame.
@The 4th Reich I hope you're just a kid otherwise I feel really bad for you
As an ex-JW the bit about speaking up and taking up space Vaush is very relevant to me. Religion somehow blows up ego but makes you feel physically and mentally small.
Former Christian here. I always felt a strange level of kinship with people like you, even if they dont.
I know this is odd to suddenly say, but I dislike the anti-furry retoric I have heard Jimmy Snow say recently, I would recommend for new athiests and new apostates of any faith to be welcoming to others, as its the "elitist" behavior from some athiests that prevent its spread.
Oh an exjw here :D I watch a lot of John Cedars/Lloyd Evans because I find it very interesting, but was never religious. Props for leaving man, cults are one of the worst things humanity can create. I hope you can walk in a room and take up some space, just to make you and your surroundings smile
That's probably exclusive to "Judeo-Islamic" religions though...
Or at least similarly "Organized" Branches of spirituality.
@@jakespacepiratee3740 Jimmy's going on a campaign against furries? Man, that's disappointing, what did he say about them? I used to watch his stuff, wouldn't expect it from him.
@@LeSyd1984 "Organized religions" is a way broader net than "Abrahamic" (which btw is probably the word you want to use, rather than "Judeo-Islamic", after all, JW is a branch of christianity). Don't go discounting Hinduism, Sikhism, ...
"Set your house in perfect order before you criticize the world"
This is absolute garbage. We should always be able to criticize our leaders and the system in which we live in no matter what our house looks like.
I'm pretty sure it's the ad hominem fallacy. "Your criticism is wrong because look at how you live."
Also an effective way of continually gatekeeping and goal post moving in order to silence people. You can’t address issues and complain about oppressive systems, you’re homeless/you live in a shitty apartment/you can’t get a job etc. etc. It’s an extension of the means for keeping the privileged people within the systems of their privilege and oppressed people within the systems of their oppression, while attempting to undermine their credibility in even speaking on these systems.
Also it just reeks of Gen X conservative Dad pissed because his 20 something leftist kid told him not to tell a racist joke at Thanksgiving dinner and he’s remembering that time they had a messy room at age 14
I’m actually with JBP on this advice but not for the reasons you maybe suspecting. Changing the world or a society is an extremely daunting task that requires a extreme amount of patience and resilience. If you’re not taking care of yourself or your mental health, you are not going to make it far. Look at the leftist discourse on mental health, it’s almost like we’re more inclined to excuse, cuddle and massage mental disorders instead of finding ways and advice to cope with them. If you’re experiencing major bout of depression and anxiety, your first priority is yourself. Also this rule can be connected to the first rule on confidence and posture, if you’re not confident and you showing off signs of uncertainty how you possible even fathom the idea of you helping to change the world?
@@chain_of_nothing you are Correct but hear is what it is called and what it does.
Tu quoque (/tjuːˈkwoʊkwi, tuːˈkwoʊkweɪ/;[1] Latin Tū quoque, for "you also"), is an informal fallacy that intends to discredit the opponent's argument by attacking the opponent's own personal behavior as being inconsistent with the argument's conclusion(s). This specious reasoning is a special type of ad hominem attack.
So you can’t criticize the world unless your house is in PERFECT order? I’ve seen JBP’s house, and he seems to be playing a little fast and loose with the term “perfect.”
Yeah, his home was a perfect shambling wreck. Specifics, man!
@Conservative Loli Waifu weird way to spell jordan peterson man but we all make mistakes
His communist stuff is hillarous.
yes, but also he doesnt want to change the world, he just give you advice (in case you need it) on how to face it in decent ways.
It’s so funny cause we all know damn well his wife probably does all the cleaning , literally and his brain is loitered with misogyny
I disliked this video. Not because I didn't like it, but because "Frodo ... Last Name..." is the most offensive statement you've ever said aloud. Tolkien just rolled in his grave.
The Lord Of The Rings is supremely influential but it's overly worshipped and overrated. Like seriously, why can't he write it like a normal person? The Hobbit was so much better as a book. The Hobbit movies sucked tho.
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 take your valid criticisms & tidy your room. You can’t criticise *anything* unless your house is in perfect order. And that’s not even a metaphor for having skeletons on the closet or acting in bad faith. It literally means you can only voice your opinion if your house is neat & tidy SO GET CLEANING!
@@prajwaljayaraj5887 He was well off English intellectual. Hobbit was for kids.
Good. I like my racist monarchist rolling in graves
@@vukstefanovic5348 Anarcho-Monarchism destroyed.
the moment i heard vaush say “pegs” i quickly picked up my phone to check what the chat was saying because i just knew what to expect- and i was not disappointed
Same
'Jordan Peterson Is the Stupid Man's Smart Person' - that's the title of an article and it sums his up pretty well.
I've been a male nurse for 7 years where I'm out numbered 1 male to 9 females....
I can tell Jordan with absolute 💯 confidence that no female nurse wears red lipstick to work.
Don’t tell him or he’ll catch the sad from his fetishes being destroyed like that.
…
Do YOU wear red lipstick? =D
"what about concealer?"
Women are concealing the chaos dragon with their sorcerous makeup voosh. duh
Yes. I shall confirm. We have the responsibility to not unleash the chaos within onto thou weak men.
@@justalostlocal your noble restraint is noted and applauded, holder of the dragon chaos thingy
“If the men find out we can SHAPESHIFT they’re going to TELL the CHURCH”
@@SirThinks2Much you want to look like a pterodactyl, men looove pterodactyls
vaush is 100% right on just going to a place and interacting with people. just off the top of my head, some of the most fulfilling interactions i’ve had with people were a balls off the wall conversation with an old man at the dog park, and a brief period where i helped a grandma watch her grandsons in line for and on a rollercoaster. it’s not necessarily a way to make friends, but positive social interactions with strangers are just as important in my opinion.
it’s less related to the overall point but i have to mention how insane the conversation with that old man was. he had like ten pomeranians (which is how the convo started - they were all very mean to any approaching dogs, but when my pomeranian approached they were chill. these were some very racist dogs.) and he talked about his dogs, how he bred them, how he had MORE AT HOME. and then the convo drifted to just. the craziest stuff i just stood there and nodded so he’d keep talking. he said he isolated the exact part of the brain stem where the soul is located and that this knowledge could cure autism. an objectively awful take but the experience was FASCINATING
What counts as success and "natural" has varied between years, generations and centuries. Remember how it was just a "natural fact" that certain people had divine right to rule over a population?
@aa b That's not what survival of the fittest means lmao.
@aa b Natural selection, aka "Survival of the fittest" is determined by numerous genetic and environmental factors (and luck), not the dictate of something like a sun god protecting a specific bloodline.
@aa b
It's not "survival of the fittest" but "survival of the good enough to reproduce and (in case of pack animals like humans) create a more or less functioning group"
That's why colour blind people exist. Their ancestors' disability didn't stop them from having children and their friends as well as family helped them when needed
@aa b "the strongest rule over the weakest means survival of the fittest" Holy shit, no way you're not a troll
It's not survival of the strongest, it's survival of those that fit most to their environment.
That interview about lipstick was ridiculous, to the point I'm pretty sure Peterson vets all of them for what interviewers can and cannot say in response to the absurd nonsense he spews. His stance can be so easily deconstructed, it barely qualifies as a stance at all.
That's because he is not taking a stance, he is just asking questions! He is a real modern day Socrates.
Or at least that's how he wants to present himself, I guess.
But seriously, "I am just asking questions" is around the same level of non-commitment and plausible deniability as "it's just a joke" and "this is not political, it's just entertainment."
Meanwhile, JP's daughter is in the room wearing red lipstick... and distracting daddy.
She wears makeup(red lipsticks specifically) almost everytime but then jp is a huge girfter and hypocrite so obvi he won't say anything about his daughter wearing it. But it's interesting how is incel following doesn't question this. How easy it is to brainwash young men. Lol.
jordan peterson: "fix your bed"
also jordan peterson: *takes first flight out to russia for experimental procedures from getting hooked on benzos*
@A Ryzen still makes him a hypocrite. He didn’t *have* to make that a rule in one of his books, but he chose to do so. Which means he absolutely played himself on this one.
@A Ryzen because he’s not following any of the rules he lays out in his books lol
@A Ryzen Nobody will ever be perfect, not even JP, and that is why his rule of "fix your house before fixing the world" makes no sense and is hypocritical.
@A Ryzen Millions of people dies from cancer. You don't see their family getting hooked up on pills.
@A Ryzen I mean…Vausch literally explains how in the video, I’m not sure why you need it explained twice.
Being hooked on benzos doesn’t make JP a hypocrite. Being hooked on benzos while telling ppl they shouldn’t engage in any type of activism or political outreach (JP’s whole career) until you’ve gotten your own house in order (a goal that is never truly attainable and he knows that) makes him a hypocrite b/c JP’s house is *FAR* from “in order.”
It’s all about the worldview he promotes. He preaches an ideology where addicts and poor ppl should be dismissed or ignored because they lack the discipline and strength of character to be taken seriously. Meanwhile JP’s own life is a goddamn mess. By his own logic, no one should listen to him.
It’s a good thing most leftists don’t agree with this approach. I don’t think being addicted to benzos makes JP unworthy of consideration, I don’t think having a messy personal life invalidates someone’s arguments or worldview. But Jordan Peterson does.
It is chilling how he is able to be so confident with his views no matter how unfounded they are
"you wear clothes and put on make up to make yourself look better" yes. We all do that. Or do you go out in a potato bag.
If my workplace would allow it, I would show up in a potato bag. Though most modern potato bags being translucent, my workplace would frown on it. Unenlightened heathens!
Yeah and the way we find out what we would describe as good looking also happens through the feedback of other people.
Says the dude who wears a suit
Every time someone said red lip stick is inherently sexual just makes me think of Ronald McDonald
I kinda want to rewatch Joker now...
Thus proving them right.
Anyone notice ZERO of Jordan Peterson's rules tell you to go to therapy? And what to look for in a therapist? And yet Jordan Peterson is a clinical psychiatrist? ... It's almost like Jordan Peterson does not want his followers to get better!
@Blue Skies Media I'm sorry that happened to you. That please understand Jordan Peterson is not a good alternative. He teaches you to isolate yourself and be paranoid about an imaginary Boogeyman called post modern neoliberal Marxist Boogeyman.
I don't know what you're struggling to and I'm not going to pretend I know the answer. And I know I'm just some random person on the internet so I know my tone cannot be expressed but I truly feel sympathetic for you. I really hope one day you can find what you need maybe not in therapy maybe in something else but regardless of what it is I hope you find will help you.
Do ppl know therapy in certain countries suck bc the healthcare is unaffordable due to over privatisation and overburdened? An universal tax funded healthcare means easier access to all types of healthcare and pay back long term. My friends got better with therapy bc they can choose and don't have to worry about financing it. The robust public education + free colleges means more ppl can become qualified therapists and further studies in the field. I- It's so frustrating to see people pushing against their own best interests thanks to conservative "intellectuals".
So by Jordan Peterson's logic, 2001: A Space Odyssey is a bad movie that shouldn't be taken seriously, because there is a lot of sexual symbolism in it. Like he would be horrified at how phallic the space ship is.
There's only one way to make a giant space baby after all
But was the space ship made to be phallic on purpose by the director of the movie, or is that just something that people interpreted later about the movie?
@@greywolf7577 yes, it was purposefully supposed to be phallic. Kubrick used a lot of sexual imagery in his movies on purpose, and is great.
Well jp the fool thinks frozen is a feminist propaganda and guess what his male following believed it...did u expect something better from him and his incel following??no wonder male virginity is skyrocketing...i am actually concerned if a date is a jp fan. It's a huge flag and that person should be avoided 😂😂😂😂😂
@@wayln2591 yeah, him and his fans probably think dating women is too feminist, because they'd have to interact with a woman in a positive way.
I told my friend everything bad about JP and he STILL read his 12 rules and listened to his self-help lectures. Now he has called himself a Sigma Male unironically, and keeps telling me this Masculine Sigma Male shit is a universal truth.
I would cut ties honestly. Man is too far gone
I am dealing with the same thing but i am trying to get him back. I will lose him to JP maybe by introducing him to better " self help" reading that don't turn him against women
@aa b I wish i could , but he keeps bringing it up everytime we watch a movie that has sligh critics of the system and start talking about how genuis jp is. It's so annoying
@aa b i do, but then I become the " chaos" JP talks about . I am a girl so imagine how my emotions are used against me 😭😂
4th Reich troll hasn't reached here huh? He's off his game.
The "treat yourself like your body is on loan from future you" thing is great on paper and it makes a lot of sense to me, but that's something I really struggle with because of my ADHD. I want to work on this though.
@The 4th Reich Ok Buddy, I bet you live in your mom's basement with all the comments you post around here.
@The 4th Reich Keep boosting the algorithm comrade
I've managed to make it my new hyperfixation. I'm not working out daily but I feel fantastic all things considered.
Maybe try to become obsessed with health and see if it works out for you too?
ah yea, adhd has "now" and "not now" when it comes to time management. my advice is to not see it as a future goal, but instead a bunch of right now goals. if you can make healthy eating and working out enjoyable itself (which it can be), you dont need to fight your adhd and try to plan for the future. i use this for school. i want to be top of my class with really great grades, but even a few months feels like too long of a goal to really work out. so instead, i give myself the goal of doing as good as i can on every project, which has the same effect as doing good for the entire class but its more digestable for my brain. if youre struggling with something, try breaking it down into smaller tasks, even if it means breaking your essay down sentence by sentence. another comment suggested making that thing a hyperfixation, which also works great
dont try to fight against your adhd so you can pretend to have a neurotypical brain, because itll just be a constant battle and end up making you feel exhausted. work with what you have, use your weaknesses to your advantage. having adhd is like driving somewhere just to find out a tree fell on the road. you can give up, or you can try to drive through the tree, but neither will help you get to where you need to go and itll feel like the worlds against you. just remember that you can take the scenic route, and sure itll take longer but its better than trying to overpower a tree blocking your way
It shouldn't be an ADHD struggle, it's a mindset to internalize, not a task to focus on.
Well, it's partly a task but if you practice that sugma grindset™ it's gonna positively affect you anyway.
"Abandoning ideology" is a pretty post-modern idea lmao
yep lmao
I just did a debate in class on ubi and welfare and I was so tempted on pulling out the coconut analogy and making it work somehow
OMG if I was in a class and heard, "so let's say you crash land on an Island."
You should have, would've been worth the look on your opponents face
UBI sucks
I won't elaborate
Or will I?
@@AnimeFan9833 >”sucks” :pepe:
I just want to point out, while the first book was "an antidote to chaos" then the second book's theme was "some chaos is good actually," but then the first rule in the *pro-chaos* book includes "hey guys don't be too hasty to criticize the existing social order."
JP forgot one important rule: Don't hold in your pee so long your bladder burst. I know it sounds cool and fun but it's actually pretty painful.
"Do not do what your hate"
Ok well I hate being a boy so i'm gonna be a girl instead :)
based and transpilled
JP with kermit screams: No- nOt liKe tHat
What he really mean is: Don't do what you hate, unless we conservatives approve them. We decide what you can and cannot do.
@@livery955 what a dumb way to frame this. You should read the book. You personally would likely benefit from listenining to a conservative, actually. I habe a feeling your life is a disaster currently.
@@lukem7464 I ain't spending money on a book written by a hypocrite who tells people to clean their rooms and be personally responsible whilst having his own house like a chicken nest and got himself addicted to drugs. But you keep projecting onto other people, as long as it makes you sleep better at night.
I really like your analysis of different neighborhoods and different socialization. My family is working/middle class, and the neighborhoods we've lived in have always been pretty community oriented. When I am visiting my dad's apartment, I always hear kids playing outside and people chatting. It helps that we live in Minneapolis, which has so many amazing public parks and events.
Also, it feel like upper/middle class people that keep a garden in their front yard are way more likely to be social than people who have lawns.
That stuff about the good neighborhoods vs the bad neighborhoods is so true. When I moved up a social class, this was very difficult to adjust to. I was used to just running outside and playing with whatever kids happened to be out. Other kids would hear us and then they would run out. In the suburbs I was alone and miserable the majority of the time.
Lol at the JP fan who says "It's not fair, you're taking him out of context!!!!"
1,488 Rules for Life is Peterson’s next masterpiece, coming soon in bookstores near you.
Don't bother skateboard kids? Pet cats? Feels like he ran out of ideas before he even got to 12 😅
Hey, those are good rules. Skateboard kids are like cryptids, or an endangered species
I would argue that "allowing kids to be kids and enjoy their hobbies, even if you don't understand" and "take time to appreciate the little things" as very solid rules
@@serpenking that rule goes against his earlier rule of not allowing your kids to do things that make you dislike them
@@ShantanuShinde1 never said jp was a genius😔
Those are literally some of the only rules I can agree with.
As someone from a city that was built on the textile industry, it always annoys me when JP claims that men and women have only worked together for 50 years 🙄 It wasn't just the women and men working together, the children were too and this industry has gone on for Millennia
My main issue with these rules is that they are kind of useless. Be confident? Tell the truth? Do what you like? Really? I get it that some people need very basic stuff beign told to them in order to fully grasp those ideas, but these Aunt's Facebook Page-tier advices are so lame.
@aa b I actually cannot listen to him for more than 5 minutes. His speeches contain so much fluff that you could supply the whole world with pillows.
You mean basically like the 10 commandments of the Bible? 😂
Live, Laugh, Love! in a nutshell
@aa b I saw some good faith comments from you and I hope you can just stop it? Facts or not facts aren't the binary matrix to determine whether or not an argument or position is valuable or logically consistent. They can be separate. Aka I don't need facts to disagree and reject JP's philosophy/ideology (see his chaos vs order, for some ppl his order = police are in fact chaos and horror). Some if his points can be dismantled with facts like statistics quicker. You might resonate with his self help bc his life experiences map up to yours or you like the way his advices are presented (with intellectual language) and that's okay, but pls recognise he's selling his political ideology with it to you.
A part of me really feels like Jordan Peterson is just a Canadian version of Ben Shapiro.
So instead of *angry whining* its just "uh, well, uh, you know, uh when the stars align, I think its best to become conservative, probably, I mean, you have your own choice to do what you want, but, uh, I would recommend...uh, maybe..."
Thanks for reminding me that we share the same citizenship...
This take makes too much sense jesus fucking christ.
This is literally the worst characterisation of him I think I’ve seen.
I give them overall a 69/420
OMG DID YOU JUST SAY..... THE SEX NUMBERS??????
Nice
Chill Goblin rules.
@@ieatcereal5232 yea yo
Red lips? Rouged cheeks? Is Peterson stuck in the '50s...?
Also: makeup is not a sexual invite.
Also II: lack of makeup doesn't deter a man determined to hit on someone.
Yes. Yes he is.
he could've shut down the whole argument by just saying to JP "why are you wearing that tie?"
Yes and no. There is a difference between looking respectable and looking sexy. It´s kind of unfair to women, because most of their fashion choices are on the sexy side, even if they try to just look respectable. Skirts, tight blouses, push-up bras, heels, lipsticks etc. are all designed to directly elevate their sexual characteristics (and in case of the heels, also to destroy their feet, lol). The closest male equivalent is a tight tank top on a muscular dude, or tight pants to show a nice-looking ass, none of which is usually a part of a male outfit at work. It´s kind of hard to compare the two.
@@jirkazalabak1514 eh, as far as i'm concerned, ties CAN be sexy. so can makeup. if you're banning sexy, then it's all got to go
@@chend2713 so many males wear suits that women find attractive...tatoos that women find attractive....those mras shouldn't get mad about those men being sexually assaulted coz they were asking for it by looking good.
@@jirkazalabak1514 ik I'm late but i think this isn't objectively true, it just seems intuitive because women are more sexualised in general. And on the flip side: ties, fitted shirts, etc are all considered sexy from women's pov too - the fact that you would arbitrarily make a distinction between these clothes by deeming one "respectable" and the other "sexy" (as if the two are mutually exclusive, too) is super weird and indicative of your biases way more than any real sociological phenomenon.
Vaush, he didn’t crank out the second book after the Russia stuff. He originally wrote 42 rules on Quora, which went viral on that site in like 2015. The 24 rules from the two books came from that list of 42, and the second book was well underway long before the Russian coma.
So when I wear blue lipstick it's because I'm signalling that I'm hyperthermic in an attempt to attract warm snuggly blankets? I mean I'm not saying that's not the case but to be honest it doesn't really work that often :p
Accurate, as a men, I always have a snuggly blanket ready for whenever I see a women with blue lipstick
@@goodluckgorsky3413 You are doing gods work my friend 😇
@@goodluckgorsky3413 hey.....what about green lipsticks???
is it coral blue #5?
Do these rules include copious amounts of benzodiazepines?
Anything includes copious amounts of benzodiazepines if you try hard enough.
I don't understand people who make fun of his drug addiction. All of you bleed your hearts out for murderers and criminals from inner cities who have done nothing but cause destruction to society. But if someone has done an enormous amount of good but made the wrong noises about trans people you lose your shit. You are all truly children mentally.
Also the drug addiction has nothing to do with anything he is saying. To believe it does is actually a logical fallacy. But again.. Children thinking
Since you're all pretty stupid I'll actually lay out why it doesn't make any sense.
His point with putting your house in order is that you should learn how to solve simple problems in your own life because those are actually a subset of societies larger problems. If we actually take responsibility for our lives then we largely don't need government or others to take care of us and we can start to help other people. It's the same logic of putting on your air mask on a plane before helping others.
His drug addiction is completely understandable given what he went through and he did resolve it even though it almost killed him. The rule doesn't apply to him because he is already a very competent person. He is able to help others.
Simplistic reading of these rules shows how they went completely over your head. You basically boiled it down to an ad hominem fallacy
@@sandcastledx Because he's a pompous moralizing ass who pretends he's found a better way. And makes money setting himself up as an example of what to think and how to live. The junkie on the street is preaching to no one. Given the choice, I'd prefer the junkie's company to that of a false prophet.
@@JeffRebornNow so your problem is that you don't agree with him? Everything you said can be true of anyone who gives advice to others. His advice is very sound and people seek it out because they are lost. Finding your own way through the world when you have no role models is a horrible idea and exactly what leads to the junkie on the street
has Jordan Peterson ever held on office workplace with women? and wtf is with "we don't know the rules of sexual harassment", dude the rules are there plastered on the walls.
i wish Vaush was around when i was at the peak of my admiration of Jordan B. Peterson so i could see how flawed he actually was sooner than i did.
@@jimbob9407 this would take far too long to explain, if you want, there are a few hours of videos i can link you?
when I was 16 or something, I loved Jordan Peterson. I don't even know why, I am female and he obviously is misogynistic. At that time my mental health was very bad and I didn't know what I had. It felt like I was on drugs all the time. His talks about IQ are horrific, and very questionable for someone who considers themselves a psychologist
I mean, I have never come across a psychologist I trust. Well, one-ish. But because they didn't see me as something to be fixed. Or didn't come across that.
@@shis1988 yeah it's difficult to find one that fits you and knows enough to help you. Or even finds the right diagnosis. Sometimes you have to help yourself and read a lot of books about psychology
I love how JP just can't handle hot women just existing XD
Peterson is like that professor that may be entertaining to watch and may even have some points that will make you say "hmm well that's true" but the true intelligence lies in being able to sift out the garbage. Not to mention that it's also completely bs to dismiss any criticism of him by telling the critic that he should first watch 100 hours of his lectures.
Don't do what you hate? Great advice, that's why I transitioned.
“Pet a cat” and “don’t bother skateboarding kids” sound like shitposts. It feels like he’s trolling us. 😂
Like, I get that they’re metaphors. But at face value they sound like shitposts.
Which is why Ian needs to read the book rather than continuing to fulfill his own caricature as a wikipedia scholar / ridiculous purveyor of straw man.
Now I want a Jordan Peterson life rule tier list 😂
As pointed out by the Vaush, rule 13-24 would automatically fall in the lowest tier.
1st book was interesting but the 2nd one looks quite unuseful at best.
vaush, JP's "rules" might sound good but when you read the chapter you see just how shit his advice actually is. I recommend Hannah and Jake's review of his book. Great review, great time!
@Pride - They, Them - Wow, what an even-keeled and not at all supremely biased take that makes you seem like an insufferable lunatic.
@Pride - They, Them - I am placing you under arrest, for the crimes of: Using weird pro-nouns that make no sense at all and insulting JP.
@@benjamin9120 This is satire, right?
Jordan Peterson literally just opened up 24 fortune cookies and used those as a baseline to write two books.
"Abandon Ideology": I can't believe a doctor in psychology came up with a quote so stupid Ferris Bueller said it as a joke. "isms, in my opinion, are not good" - Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Virtually, identical in meaning.
Having suffered through reading the entire book, and ALSO listening to [Hannah] and Jake's review where they read the whole book ad verbatim, I can say that the worst part about his 12 rules book is half the chapters have NOTHING to do with the title, or make the advice even worse. If you want to go read the book, pirate it, it's hot garbage if viewed through even the slightest critical lens at all. There are maybe a few nuggets that are great, that you could also just get from a cheesy motivational poster.
imagine reading a chapter title and coming up with your own independent theory to the intentions behind the text.
Jordan Peterson looks like what I would imagine a live action version of Rick from Rick & Morty would look like.
The Incels carry Jordan Peterson’s 24 rules of life just like how Moses carried the Ten Commandments.
This is like someone trying to take a test in school having only read the title of the book. lol.
Vaush: "Do not carelessly denigrate somebody..." yes I agree.
* goes ahead and denigrates Jp*
Ah but it was much needed
Something tells me Peterson has never heard of an HR department if he's seriously questioning what the rules are for people in a work environment.
Take a look at the Blizzard fiasco if you want to see how much you should trust HR. HR isn’t looking out for employees, they’re out to avoid lawsuits and bad PR for the company.
@@aaronjohnston2751 While it's true that HR is there to protect the company, an HR department that isn't just mind-blowingly incompetent does this in part by imposing rules to at least theoretically prohibit abuse. So while HR is unlikely to be of any help to you if these rules are actually broken, we do know what the rules are. Most jobs I've worked have either a little training or a thing in the break room that says like "No lewd comments. No racist comments. Try not to rape people."
@@omechron Also, it can be used as a place of documentation.
IIRC by his own admission Peterson has had multiple allegations of sexual impropriety, so he's probably plenty familiar with dealing with HR departments.
@@JallyJam As a biology major, it never ceases to amaze me just how childish and down right wrong Peterson's followers are on their understanding of biology. Animal kingdoms aren't influential on how we behave, they are just a way to classify organisms. There are only three animal kingdoms and they are distinguished on their way of nutrition. Humans also don't have hierarchies, Peterson who is supposed to be a respected figure in academia literally regurgitates a debunked wolf study (which was retracted and denounced by the author themselves) as some form of valid world view. I hate to break it to you but wolves don't act that way the debunked study states and we aren't wolves, we don't piss and shit on one another or eat raw meat. Also "gender" (which I'm assuming you don't consider different from sex) doesn't have the effect you think it does. Does sex have an effect on behavior? Yes. What influences our bodies and behaviors as a whole? Chromosomes. Small changes to chromosomes (pre or post natal) can have big impacts on our behavior and bodies as well. Although this may seem overboard, I just wanted to address all your flawed arguments. I also want to say this genuinely but read a biology textbook instead of taking biology lessons from a conservative psych professor with a outdated understanding of it.
Jordan Peterson wrote a book giving the kind of advice a 10 year old would be able to come up with... in less than 15 seconds.
You haven't read the book
@aa b Oh no, Jordan Peterson minions are salty.
@@ryanvandermerwe5587 Oh no, Jordan Peterson minions are salty.
It's an obvious guess that this "Rules" grift that Peterson has going on isn't over and 12 more are coming after the second set, which were only possible because he needed a way to cover the bills coming from the predictable disaster that was his drug addiction.
You'd think he had things figured out. 😩
12 Rules for Life started from an Answer from Quora he posted there in 2014 if I remember right. The whole Post had something like 99 Rules.
Soooooo.... He still has enough rules he can turn into books for 6 more ^^'
It's self help bro. People find a lot of value in what he has to say which is why these books are best sellers. You can't say someone is a grifter because you don't agree with them politically. That's just being stupid
@@sandcastledx imagine believing self-help books in 2021.
Edit: best seller doesn't mean good, incel.
what drug addiction are you talking about?
also, as a lefite, why mock drug addicted people? wtf.
@@shis1988 this isn't a thought. I have nothing to respond to. If you think that you've learned everything you can you are seriously mistaken. Self help and advice books are so valuable to have new tools to think about and solve your problems.
I want to see jesse lee peterson's 12 rule of life
"does sexual harassment happen in the workplace? yes, but will it end? not yet, because we don't know what the rules are"
i'm not exactly sure why jordan peterson doesn't immediately spot "dont sexually harass women in the workplace" as a rather obvious rule, really makes you think 🤔
Because it's such an obvious thing to say that it's useless as "advice."
@@ihsahnakerfeldt9280 it's not very obvious to Jordan Peterson apparently, he's really struggling with this one
I grew up in a smallish town and had the same friends all growing up. Went to college in a bigger city where I didn’t know anybody, and started to learn to get over my initial shyness.
What REALLY got me to the point where I can talk to anybody was becoming a bartender.
Among the best lessons I’ve learned is that I can get along with pretty much everybody. Even a person who i totally disagree with on pretty much everything. I just have to find the level where we DO agree and stick with that.
Although some of the best conversations I’ve had were with people who I don’t agree with who were willing to exchange ideas in a civil way, we didn’t have to change each other’s minds, just sharing thoughts. Not everybody is capable of that, in which case I stick with talking about weather or music or whatever.
TLDR; everybody doesn’t have to agree about everything, it’s fine that we all have different viewpoints. We can still coexist just fine, as long as we try to be respectful of each other.
I got a Mormon advert before this video about totally not religious not far right figure Jordan Peterson. Make of that what you will.
The other day I was thinking about how I don’t let myself be genuine, and I was just thinking “god some day I want to be me.” And then I realized I don’t want to be me, I want to be better.
You'll get there~ Do what you're capable of in the moment; give yourself the grace to fail sometimes, don't be ashamed to seek a professional's help [whether coaching or full on therapy], and just keep trying! You can do it!
I think Vaush going over these points and critiquing them was useful and in some small way enlightening for young men watching this. His views in the ending segment are important. This was a strong video for Vaush, I hope a lot of guys who need it get to watch it.
@Lukas Nero
as if he's going to read out entire chapters, get a grip man
@Lukas Nero 🤣 classic "not enough context" jbp defence. Don't you guys get tired? Do i need to read every single word of his benzo brain rot to criticise one thing? Maybe such a visionary genius philosopher poet like him should find it easier to express his points more cogently. Maybe it's not everyone's fault that the shit he writes and says sounds like it does, maybe it's his fault for being duplicitous (or the literal brain rot).
Cass Eris did a full review of each of the first 12 rules and what ol' Peterson uses to exemplify those rules. Some of that stuff is scary, some of it is judgemental, some of it is outright wrong and a lot of it reeks of Christian conservatism. The rules might see fine at face value but what lies underneath is waaay worse.
Cass Eris deserves a ton more views!
She did good there.
ive seen a couple minutes of cass eris.
I hope things really get better because the impression I have now of her is that she seems to understand what she wants to understand just like vaush. And before you tell me about her background in psychology, I remind you that Jordan Peterson also has a background in that, and looking at cass, it seems that if you even added up the time she has been walking on the earth, it would be insufficient to compare it with the time jordan peterson has been practicing psychology, and I don't think that should be taken lightly..
By "She understands what she wants to understand" do you mean the fact that Peterson's language is so extremely vague and flowery (despite what of his rules being about precise expression... Funny that) that you can infer just about anything you want from? The eternal "That's not what I meant" defense? Personally, my impression of the man is so low at thins point that if he told me the earth orbited the sun, I'd double check with an astronomer.
Also, a lot of people have been on this planet a long time, that hardly makes them wise or correct by default.
@@e.j.d.rorchea6467 I'm in agreement with Victor here. While I don't think one should take anyone's impression as fact, Cass Eris at the very least tries to provide thorough context for anything she examines. Jordan Peterson just has a habit of speaking in very flowery language that is tough to understand.
As for the comment about age, Cass Eris is actually in their 30s while Jordan Peterson is not even 60 years old, so the age difference is not as severe as it might appear. Worth considering, but Cass does have experience.
This video is absolutely true when Vaush talks about not being taught to be vulnerable and human until they’re 18 and thrown out into the world to learn it or be miserable
Jordan is gonna be absolutely mindblown that I was creeped on at work and I wear literally no makeup. Lol
Peterson would simply state that you are too emotional, checkmate
JPs position on working with women has real "what were you wearing when the man sexually harassed you in the workplace" vibes.
The idea that no king has assaulted a scullery maid is laughable.
Also, not to be harsh, but the maid that the Govenator cheated on his wife with, wasn't exactly a glamour model. More she was, proximate.
Honestly, shonen anime actually saved me and helped me construct a more compassionate masculinity for myself, no joke. Then again, I was also reacting against the dipshit misogynists online and was trying to stitch together something else that fit with my already-held values. That, the isolation of COVID, and the sheer self-hatred I had to work through finally allowed me to make peace with myself, construct a healthy self-concept, and become a leftist.
EDIT: I also came across Vaush on accident while looking for UA-cam takes on the Smash Bros sexual assault stuff.
What has helped me change my positions on a lot of things is my diagnosis and gradual acceptance of myself.
King shit
I don't think the rules in themselves are the issue with Peterson. If you watch Jake and Hannah's review of the first book... what he writes in each chapter is very yikes.
I straight up don't know how to be confident anymore. I spent my entire childhood building up this idea that everyone near me had these massive expectations because I coasted through high school. I destroyed any hope to meet those expectations (due to things in and out of my control) and now I live in a future that didn't exist in my mind. I fear that it will take another childhood-length of time to get back to the point where I think I deserve to take up space, and my physical health suffered so much from my depression I fear I won't live that long. Idk why anyone would still be reading this cause I mean who cares, but I don't have anywhere else to say it. I wish the thing making me worse wouldn't make it so hard to do anything to get better.
as long as it takes you’ll recover. good luck
I care, friend, and I’m hoping you success in your recovery. I understand how oppressive and frustrating that cycle can be, but I think you can get out of it, and I want you to
I can understand that fear. You done it once you can do it again. I have done it and still doing it. 25 of my 30 years felt like a waste.
i was there a few months ago and im better now and have large goals and am working towards them again. the thing that helped was having someone believe in me . im lucky.
it’s so funny to see Jordan Peterson’s character arc from “Be precise in your speech” to “Do not hide unwanted things in the fog”. Like damn creative writing class take it down a notch
So... Jordan Peterson doesn't want women wearing high heels in the workplace? So... wouldn't he be in agreement with the feminists fighting against women being *required* to wear high heels in many workplaces?
No. The difference is JP wants to *limit* women's choices of professional wardrobe and makeup vs feminists wanting to *expand* women's choices to wear more casual clothing or no makeup and not be devalued in workplace.
idk this somehow feels similar to right-wingers complaining about headlines of news articles, when they haven't even read the article.
Why sigmas are more attractive to alphas, stay tuned….
Some advice for my fellow aspies and other people who need help with social skills; try working or volunteering in aged care or disability. I'm an aspie and I've been working in aged care for six years. It's helped me develop my social skills, confidence and small-talk skills tremendously. It's hard work and intimidating, but so worth it.
That and you build relationships with people who are really interesting, but ignored by society because they're old and/or disabled.
One thing I will say - and I think this is why it’s so popular - the little things like “make one room as beautiful as possible” and “do one thing and try to see how it goes” is really good for people that have depression and anxiety, where tasks can seem daunting and overwhelming. Sometimes compartmentalizing that can make it easier to actually follow through with, over taking on your entire home all at once. Especially if you have let things get bad
"Kids are real ass people. Like there going to be annoying"
- Vaushis maximis
Jordan Peterson is like: *says a normal, useful thing (clean your room) then immediately says the weirdest misogynistic shit you’ve ever heard* . . . :0