dm53 is actually perfect representation, when you get random numbers like flat 750 it's mostly because some people interpolate 60degree numbers without accounting that shell type is more about defeating sloped armour instead of flat one
Yep and not just DM53 but all APFSDS penetration performance is quoted using Line of Sight (LOS) penetration, or 60 degree penetration, so comparing to War Thunder's 0 degree penetration is meaningless.
@@cpthrki5852 it can depending on the material, but in terms of RHA and it's equivalents, a round penetration values are on RHA penetration, so if a DM53 round hits an RHA block that it's 685mm thick at 0°, the round won't go through for 2 main reasons. -the muzzle speed doesn't reach the point so the round is 1:1 to penetration and round length, that's a pretty dificult and not worth feat to achieve. -rounds cannot penetrate more RHA armor once they have been desintegrated in the process of penetration, no mass = no penetration, and while a round penetrates, it losses both mass and speed, so once they lost all of their mass the penetration goes back to 0.
DM63 is literally the same penetrator as 53 with a different propellent composition that grants a more consistent combustion than DM53 across a wider variety of temperatures. Gaijin models ideal performance for ammunition propellent as a blanket stat anyways so there's literally nothing to be gained by swapping in DM63
@@Spougggaato138 if i remember it right, DM63 is worse than perfect conditions DM53, so it will be a little bit less perfomant, yet if gaijin start to account map temperature like for planes than stuff may become interesting
JustinPlays please talk about the issues that Gaijin is ignoring or the mess that is the QnA. If no one talks about it or acts as a pivot to a movement (similar to Phly for the Parts/FPE change) nothing is going to happen and the game is just going to keep getting worse and worse.
It's a forum type of thing, making a video about it wont really change, because gaijin doesn't take it in or look at unless it is provided in the forum thread. That's how gaijin works - in order to change something, you have to write a forum post and argument it. Additionally you can provide videos of youtubers talking about it in depth or having it as an additional opinion or something. You basically need to understand the issue, aspects of it, perspective, and to have some supporting fix or improvement.
@@BIOSHOCKFOXX I completely agree with you, however, no one's done that yet and had the post get enough views to gain traction. Trust me, I've tried, a couple of my friends tried, we simply need a single post where everyone pushes for change rather than hundreds of smaller posts.
Hey Justin! (and also anyone reading this) i just played a couple rounds of top tier with this beautiful piece of german OP engineering and i can honestly say it’s the most frustrating thing to play against because of that turret armor and i died just 1 time in 4 games. One time i even faced 2 seperate M1A2s out in the open with my breach and engine knocked and they couldn’t kill me and i lost no crew while i made them both rage quit after i repaired while taking those shots to the face :) the problem with top tier is an unfixable one that i think is also true in real life: yeah u get those “gaijin moments” but in reality we also do have dud rounds and malfunctions or other stuff that makes a shell bounce or not penetrate or whatever...so realistic settings and getting gaijined is something i’ve rather adapted to and accepted as a part of reality rather than getting stuck on and complaining all the time about it. but a huge part of top tier gameplay is the grind and honestly it’s the most frustrating part specially when you’ve grinded through the whole tree going from a lower paced play style with lots of armor and shell meta to a brain dead shoot n scoot kinda play where u NEED the AP and the laser rangefinder and the smoke and all of those upgrades and all those juicy modifications to make a tank work as intended BUT spading a tank in top tier comes at either the cost of your sanity or pocket and most war thunder players opt for the mentally easier option and those absolute chads that grind hours upon hours with no talisman no boosters no money no lube they get frustrated because of those modifications that they had to grind for which is 3 times harder than the grind for the vehicle itself. top tier players are not rewarded enough even if they play a tank so well with so many kills. i’m a raw kinda guy you know; and i’ve grinded this game without spending a single penny on it or using boosters and i get max 4.5k RP from top tier games that i get 1-3 place on the team if i have over 5 kills. This is insanity and i’ve gotten used to it (or rather numb) after rage quitting so much that now i enjoy the game even when i die and lose 50k SL. I really wanna know how this top tier situation can be fixed because my fun tier is definitely 6.7 to 9.7 but gaijin always finds a way to ruin the fun by adding pt-76-57 which has almost the same issue as something like the leopard 2 (superior in design and effectiveness to all adversaries when used by a skilled player) so yeah i’m glad i have 6 leo2 variants that i enjoy but knowing that it comes at the cost of everyone else’s suffering and the lack of competition makes it so dull i forget about them and go back to playing stupid stuff like dardo or amx50 or t55 playing a spaded leo2a5/6 is like having a wife. it’s fun for a couple months but soon you feel the urge to burn your house down. I would like to know your opinion on fixing top tier and the problems with it! thank you in advance!
I'm not gonna lie, those M1A2 players must be absolutely braindead because the only places on the entirety of a leopard 2 that they cannot pen are the turret cheeks, and if they actually just kept shooting the single spot that they cannot penetrate over and over while you repaired as you say; they deserved to lose that fight.
Чтобы прокачать ОСНОВНЫЕ МОДУЛИ на Леопард 2А5/2А6 я потратил всего несколько рублей. У меня ушло несколько кликов и я получил DM-53, запчасти, дымовые гранаты и огнетушитель. Всё остальное я прокачал буквально за 1-2 дня. Я считаю, что игра на 11.0 - это финал, пропадает необходимость стремиться к прокачке более высоких рангов, потому что их просто нет. Ты ведь ради них и начинал играть, не так ли? Лично я скачал эту сразу игру после того, как увидел в ней Т-80У. Прокачав советскую танковую нацию до 10.7 я забросил игру, она мне стала неинтересной. Во второй раз я вернулся в неё в октябре 2021-го, чтобы прокачать немецкую танковую нацию до 11.0 и вот буквально неделю назад я это сделал и наслаждаюсь игрой. Я просто играю, не смотрю на тайминги и цифры за бой, я играю и получаю удовольствие, кайф. Именно игра на топах даёт это чувство финала, чувство бесконечной игры, того, чего ты и хотел.
@@genossevomkgb1601 I have a similar experience. Honestly if you are addicted like me to the game, buying premium to speed up the grind is definitely worth it, as well as a premium such as the T72AV. The grind still takes a lot but not enough to kill the fun completely.
Its just a shame they nerfed the CL3143 APFSDS round on the Italian top tiers, Italy lost their main advantage, which was the best APFSDS before the Leo 2A6, they should reverse the nerf and give back the ol 625mm of pen, also they should get the new B2 Centauro (or just call it Centauro 2), C1 Ariete Hitfact Mk.II (equiped with the same autoloading turret and gun as the B2 Centauro), C2 Ariete (up-armored Ariete with new engine) and the M60A3 Leonardo (a heavily modernised M60A3 with some great armor package and the 120/45 120mm gun), OF-40 Mk.3 (basicly just an upgraded OF-40 mod.2) along with the WW2 Hungarian vehicles (Toldis, Turáns, Nimróds, Csabas, Zrínyis) to fill up some gaps, since this whole tech tree meant to be a pseudo Italian-Hungarian tech tree In short here: -B2 Centauro (120mm gun) -C2 Ariete (120mm gun) -C1 Ariete Hitfact Mk.II (120mm gun) -M60A3 Leonard(120mm gun) -OF-40 Mk.3 (105mm gun) -38.M Toldi I / 42.M Toldi II / 43.M Toldi III (20mm --> 40mm guns) -40.M Turán / 41.M Turán II / 43.M Turán III (1 prototype was made) (40mm --> 75mm short --> 75mm long guns) -40.M Nimród AA (40mm Bofors AA gun) -39.M Csaba armored car (20mm gun) -40/43.M Zrínyi SPG / 44.M Zrínyi SPG (105mm howitzer --> 75mm long gun) -44.M Tas (1 prototype was made) (either the 75mm KwK 42 L/70 or the 80mm Bofors AA gun refited as an AT gun)
Especially when you have the likes of Italy/France/China/Britain stuck on the top tier struggle bus. The big three didn't need any help with their on-meta MBT's - yet gaijin threw better shells at them anyways because lmao why not.
having the same opinion here. German main as well. I mean, yea i f*ckin like that but DM43 for the 2A5 was def good enough. I mean, i even butt f*cked most tanks with DM33 back then :D
As a main german user, DM53 is not a big deal, let me elaborate, most of the top tier tanks (except Russia) has a hull which can be penetrated with 560mm or less (added that most of the time are small or medium maps), so Abrams can pen every tank, Russia, Italy, Great Britain, etc. can do it too, (Japan so far max pen is 481mm, they will get Type 10 and we hope it will get a better dart shell). So every tank can be penetrated in the hull, but T90 and the others with ERA, even the DM53 can't pen that. So if you have any doubts, go check every tank and do the protection test with a "standard 5xx mm dart shell" for example de Abrams or Challenger dart shells and you'll find why it is not a big deal.
Yes they can pen but they then dont have the energy left over to do significant damage, by giving 3 nations new upgraded rounds its the post penetration that matters. The shot at 8:39 in the vid if you go for that shot with the L27A1 on Challenger 2, it kills the driver and doesnt one shot the tank, thats the difference.
Miss when mbts were more "balanced." Back then 2a5s with their high mobility/extreme turret armor were held back by lower pen rounds. Yeah some tanks got more love then others, but it made each tank have a unique style. Areite had the god gun but had nothing else, t-80 and the Abrams were the well rounders. Leclerc got to be everything though, which was a bit off.
To be fair the reason the BVM is stomping top tier is truly cause of the flock of experienced players playing it. Against the BVM you still have to aim at the same small weak spots but against any leopard you just have to hit the hull anywhere.
Shooting barrels and breach is the only reliable tactic at top tier, so I wouldn't say it's dirty. At lower tiers I'll go for weak spots because no one has stabilizers or crazy panning guns, so it's more satisfying. Top tier every one seems to be crack shots who'll hit your barrel/breech immediately, and with the introduction of commander controls if you dont get both you're screwed. Plus they've nerfed post pen on the APFSDS so much that half the time I can't kill enough crew if I'm off by a little bit on my shot
I believe the reason people go for shots below the turrent and LFP, is mostly because top tier MBTs are more protected on useless areas which would not kill more than 2 crew members if fully penetrated. now, driver port, LFP and gun mantlet will either kill 3 members in a single shot or disable enemy fire which is pretty nice. I think APFSDS spall is ok IMO, i simulated a L/44 DM23 shot on an Abrams side and when it penetrated the "yellowed" shrapnel killed the commander who were not even close to the impact, the tip of that yellow shrapnel just hit him and he dead. one thing that annoys me is when i'm behind a target and he's angled, i shoot the center of mass but it only disable tracks and kill like 2 crew members, might as well just shoot the ammo rack pannel in these situations. I mean, you can explode it's fuel but sometimes it only catches fire so it's not really reliable.
It is not, the penetration is calculated with lanz-odermatt formula by Gaijin using size, speed and density of APFSDS, so DM53 will not be buffed because is correct, the 700 mm penetration thing in real life is at 60 degrees not at 0 degrees, 360 mm at 60 degrees is equivalent to 720 mm of RHA penetration, in real life is always used the penetration at 60 degrees when they say 700, 800 or 900 millimiters of penetration of an APFSDS, M829A3 which is one of the most powerful APFSDS in real life will have about 680 mm of pen at 0 degrees in War Thunder if it will be added, the CL3143 was nerfed because was fixed, it was wrong, they previously used wrong size of APFSDS to calculate the penetration, it was not a nerf for balance.
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOM i made it into an amazing video!!!!!!! wohooo, even tho i was fully potato and justin carried that match XD, also DM 53 for the 2A5 feels so good and i'm slowly getting the RP for the Leo 2PL so i'm exited for DM 53 on that tank too
I got to tell you. You are an amazing guy that got all the time to Experiance all the differances with these vehicles. IN game? If I´m lucky and not blown away after my 2 tanks. I live for like 3 seconds. That is thanks to the flying machines. OK I play 4.0. I know. Please enlight us smaller players how to come by the extreme I got to say it. Extreme flight bias at 4.0. I play as Sweden btw. A bit of a challenge. Should I try to change nation and do something to get that 1 million Lions or what? I´ve played on and off since 2012. I have of course unlocked a lot of nations as you might imagine. SO help plz. I love you´re videos btw. Keep it up mate. No I do not spend real money on the game, I just pay my monthly bill. ;)
Hey Justin! Would you mind shring the link for that custom reticle? It looks dope and would actually make me take the plunge to try them after 700 hours!
I don't understand this change. It just completely ruins the 2a6's entire gimmick. Now I basically just have two leopard 2a6s in my lineup at top tier.
I did a few test runs comparing the UFP performances between the l44 and l55 and for some odd reason, i couldnt pen the kontakt 5 ufp's even from 50m in matches(granted i only played like 11 or 12 battles). Could it be a latancy issue? Although i did try it in test runs afterwardsand couldnt pen the 90A there either Also, current ammo mechanics doesnt include the so called LOS perforation(usually penetration at 60° x2) and if you take this into consideration, the rounds have accurate estimations compared to irl. For balancing reasons, apfsds round's angled penetration isnt included in ammo penetration, instead flat pen is directly responsible of your propable perforation/penetration, and i dont mind. I only wish gj would be more honest about it.
The ERA is massively over performing right now, I've been having ERA side skirts soaking up APFSDS a lot more recently. My T80-B is currently my best performer, as the Kontact 1 ERA is just soaking up everything frontally for some reason. Even against M1A2s and L2A6s
@@Dominator2930 guess there's our balancing factor. Its not like playability has been the main agenda for gj for the past 2 years. I hold hope that in a few years, when they run out of new hype vehicles to introduce, theyll have to focus on that aspect. Either that or theyll switch to enlisted MW
On that Jungle game where we were together , perfect representation of top tier in the long term battle with randoms ***who happen to be console plebs or chinese*** that just hide in random spots not helping the rest of the team whatsoever. Sorry of those spamm pings on them were annoying but holy fk is it annoying to have these people every single game , shame you cut that part out but understandable .. lmao
if they give DM53 to PL then they will also have to give DM33 to 2A4 and raise his br by .3 or .7 maybe even 1.0 if anything, PL is literally 2A4 with armor package that's all, same gun and i really mean the same gun, the barrel model isn't even different from 2A4 if compared with 2A5. we are in a situation which TAM 2C a light tank has 26mm more of penetration than 2A4 which is odd. Look, Type 90 is pretty much a 2A4 with autoloader and maybe less NERA? 1.0 BR above it, yet it gets "JM33" which is DM33, but 2A4 which is the vehicle with it as primmary KE ammo doesn't get it. Leo 2 maybe used DM23 on it's earlier variants, but 2A4 variant entered service when DM33 were already the primmary round... this is so boring.
@@FillyCheesteak Yeah, but the difference is that the Abrams comes with a 6.5 second base reload. Compared to a 7.8 second reload on the Strv 121 and 2A4. You have no right to complain about the Abrams shell when talking about the Leos. They are literally no worse than one another.
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ owh boy the stockgrind... At least the turret armor saves you a bit (except for the amount of times your breech get's shot)
Hello everyone! I have a question. How can i invite my friends to war thunder through link because yesterday i sent my own game link through what's app to my friend, from he downloaded the game but when i opened the game i didn't get 50 golden eagles! Please someone tell me how can i get that !
been playing quite a ot of french top tier recently, and really their lineup is POOR as hell the shell is good but not crazy good either, the reload rate is good but 6 seconds is a bit long sometimes armor is unconsitant and you have no lineup except the 2 leclercs ! backup tanks are shitty ones like the AMX 40 and 32 that have no business at top tier, and unstabilized stuff I won't even go over The only Nation I would not rank higher would be the Chinese maybe? but they have a lot of other vehicles than their MBTs so it brings fun to the mix. A 3rd leclerc will maybe get things better but hey seems like more of the same
France literally gets two very good MBTs, the ItO, the Tiger HAD and the Jaguar A. There isn't much to complain about with France. The only thing France could use is an IFV maybe. But not like those are particularly great at top tier. Just a throw-away-spawn. So France will actually be incredibly good next patch. With three competitive MBTs and excellent CAS.
i disagree. while the armour can be a bit lacking at times, the gun and sight make up for it in a way. i do like playing 11.0 russia and germany more but france isn’t exactly struggling at all.
Another episode of “what can gaijin do to compensate for the worst of the WT player base - the German mains”. What’s next lmao? 2A7 at 10.0? Or is the xm1 at 9.3 still too challenging there? Perhaps 8.0 👍
wdym russia is stomping right now at top tier, and other nations have just as good tanks. The strv122 is still better, m1a2 is better, M1HC is almost as good at a lower BR, type 10 will be much better etc.
dm53 is actually perfect representation, when you get random numbers like flat 750 it's mostly because some people interpolate 60degree numbers without accounting that shell type is more about defeating sloped armour instead of flat one
literally lmao, the rod of DM53 is 685mm in length which makes flat 750 impossible
Yep and not just DM53 but all APFSDS penetration performance is quoted using Line of Sight (LOS) penetration, or 60 degree penetration, so comparing to War Thunder's 0 degree penetration is meaningless.
@@ishiddddd4783 Why would it not be capable of penning more than its length though?
@@cpthrki5852 it can depending on the material, but in terms of RHA and it's equivalents, a round penetration values are on RHA penetration, so if a DM53 round hits an RHA block that it's 685mm thick at 0°, the round won't go through for 2 main reasons.
-the muzzle speed doesn't reach the point so the round is 1:1 to penetration and round length, that's a pretty dificult and not worth feat to achieve.
-rounds cannot penetrate more RHA armor once they have been desintegrated in the process of penetration, no mass = no penetration, and while a round penetrates, it losses both mass and speed, so once they lost all of their mass the penetration goes back to 0.
DM53's can penetrate 850 mm RHA steel at 90 degrees from 2000 meters IRL. Ofc penetration values gonna change towards the angle.
In the futur, gaijin will add dm63 to the leo 2pl. Mark my word
Not all that big performance difference compared to 53
@@yeshmmm4004 soon or later he will, mark my word
DM63 is literally the same penetrator as 53 with a different propellent composition that grants a more consistent combustion than DM53 across a wider variety of temperatures. Gaijin models ideal performance for ammunition propellent as a blanket stat anyways so there's literally nothing to be gained by swapping in DM63
@@nobleman-swerve soon or later even if dm63 has same pen as dm53, it will come in sure
@@Spougggaato138 if i remember it right, DM63 is worse than perfect conditions DM53, so it will be a little bit less perfomant, yet if gaijin start to account map temperature like for planes than stuff may become interesting
19:39 3BM60 and 3BM59(would have more pen as the 3bm60 becuse it uses DU) if the ever add it to
JustinPlays please talk about the issues that Gaijin is ignoring or the mess that is the QnA. If no one talks about it or acts as a pivot to a movement (similar to Phly for the Parts/FPE change) nothing is going to happen and the game is just going to keep getting worse and worse.
It's a forum type of thing, making a video about it wont really change, because gaijin doesn't take it in or look at unless it is provided in the forum thread.
That's how gaijin works - in order to change something, you have to write a forum post and argument it. Additionally you can provide videos of youtubers talking about it in depth or having it as an additional opinion or something.
You basically need to understand the issue, aspects of it, perspective, and to have some supporting fix or improvement.
@@BIOSHOCKFOXX I completely agree with you, however, no one's done that yet and had the post get enough views to gain traction. Trust me, I've tried, a couple of my friends tried, we simply need a single post where everyone pushes for change rather than hundreds of smaller posts.
Hey Justin! (and also anyone reading this)
i just played a couple rounds of top tier with this beautiful piece of german OP engineering and i can honestly say it’s the most frustrating thing to play against because of that turret armor and i died just 1 time in 4 games. One time i even faced 2 seperate M1A2s out in the open with my breach and engine knocked and they couldn’t kill me and i lost no crew while i made them both rage quit after i repaired while taking those shots to the face :)
the problem with top tier is an unfixable one that i think is also true in real life:
yeah u get those “gaijin moments” but in reality we also do have dud rounds and malfunctions or other stuff that makes a shell bounce or not penetrate or whatever...so realistic settings and getting gaijined is something i’ve rather adapted to and accepted as a part of reality rather than getting stuck on and complaining all the time about it.
but a huge part of top tier gameplay is the grind and honestly it’s the most frustrating part specially when you’ve grinded through the whole tree going from a lower paced play style with lots of armor and shell meta to a brain dead shoot n scoot kinda play where u NEED the AP and the laser rangefinder and the smoke and all of those upgrades and all those juicy modifications to make a tank work as intended BUT spading a tank in top tier comes at either the cost of your sanity or pocket and most war thunder players opt for the mentally easier option and those absolute chads that grind hours upon hours with no talisman no boosters no money no lube they get frustrated because of those modifications that they had to grind for which is 3 times harder than the grind for the vehicle itself.
top tier players are not rewarded enough even if they play a tank so well with so many kills.
i’m a raw kinda guy you know; and i’ve grinded this game without spending a single penny on it or using boosters and i get max 4.5k RP from top tier games that i get 1-3 place on the team if i have over 5 kills. This is insanity and i’ve gotten used to it (or rather numb) after rage quitting so much that now i enjoy the game even when i die and lose 50k SL.
I really wanna know how this top tier situation can be fixed because my fun tier is definitely 6.7 to 9.7 but gaijin always finds a way to ruin the fun by adding pt-76-57 which has almost the same issue as something like the leopard 2 (superior in design and effectiveness to all adversaries when used by a skilled player)
so yeah i’m glad i have 6 leo2 variants that i enjoy but knowing that it comes at the cost of everyone else’s suffering and the lack of competition makes it so dull i forget about them and go back to playing stupid stuff like dardo or amx50 or t55
playing a spaded leo2a5/6 is like having a wife.
it’s fun for a couple months but soon you feel the urge to burn your house down.
I would like to know your opinion on fixing top tier and the problems with it!
thank you in advance!
I'm not gonna lie, those M1A2 players must be absolutely braindead because the only places on the entirety of a leopard 2 that they cannot pen are the turret cheeks, and if they actually just kept shooting the single spot that they cannot penetrate over and over while you repaired as you say; they deserved to lose that fight.
Чтобы прокачать ОСНОВНЫЕ МОДУЛИ на Леопард 2А5/2А6 я потратил всего несколько рублей. У меня ушло несколько кликов и я получил DM-53, запчасти, дымовые гранаты и огнетушитель. Всё остальное я прокачал буквально за 1-2 дня. Я считаю, что игра на 11.0 - это финал, пропадает необходимость стремиться к прокачке более высоких рангов, потому что их просто нет. Ты ведь ради них и начинал играть, не так ли? Лично я скачал эту сразу игру после того, как увидел в ней Т-80У. Прокачав советскую танковую нацию до 10.7 я забросил игру, она мне стала неинтересной. Во второй раз я вернулся в неё в октябре 2021-го, чтобы прокачать немецкую танковую нацию до 11.0 и вот буквально неделю назад я это сделал и наслаждаюсь игрой. Я просто играю, не смотрю на тайминги и цифры за бой, я играю и получаю удовольствие, кайф. Именно игра на топах даёт это чувство финала, чувство бесконечной игры, того, чего ты и хотел.
@@genossevomkgb1601 I have a similar experience. Honestly if you are addicted like me to the game, buying premium to speed up the grind is definitely worth it, as well as a premium such as the T72AV. The grind still takes a lot but not enough to kill the fun completely.
I’d prefer if it kept dm43 and the 2a6 would move to 11.3. Instead gaijin makes both vehicles as similar to one another as possible.
Very true but look all the soviet MBTs at top tier, they're pretty much the same too
@@APPLECAKEPIE3477 in all fairness, the soviets didn't get a new shell until the arrival of the T80BVM.
@@raizencore germans didnt get one till the 2a6
I would like to see dm33 for leo 2a4
@@Spougggaato138 Nah
Its just a shame they nerfed the CL3143 APFSDS round on the Italian top tiers, Italy lost their main advantage, which was the best APFSDS before the Leo 2A6, they should reverse the nerf and give back the ol 625mm of pen, also they should get the new B2 Centauro (or just call it Centauro 2), C1 Ariete Hitfact Mk.II (equiped with the same autoloading turret and gun as the B2 Centauro), C2 Ariete (up-armored Ariete with new engine) and the M60A3 Leonardo (a heavily modernised M60A3 with some great armor package and the 120/45 120mm gun), OF-40 Mk.3 (basicly just an upgraded OF-40 mod.2) along with the WW2 Hungarian vehicles (Toldis, Turáns, Nimróds, Csabas, Zrínyis) to fill up some gaps, since this whole tech tree meant to be a pseudo Italian-Hungarian tech tree
In short here:
-B2 Centauro (120mm gun)
-C2 Ariete (120mm gun)
-C1 Ariete Hitfact Mk.II (120mm gun)
-M60A3 Leonard(120mm gun)
-OF-40 Mk.3 (105mm gun)
-38.M Toldi I / 42.M Toldi II / 43.M Toldi III (20mm --> 40mm guns)
-40.M Turán / 41.M Turán II / 43.M Turán III (1 prototype was made) (40mm --> 75mm short --> 75mm long guns)
-40.M Nimród AA (40mm Bofors AA gun)
-39.M Csaba armored car (20mm gun)
-40/43.M Zrínyi SPG / 44.M Zrínyi SPG (105mm howitzer --> 75mm long gun)
-44.M Tas (1 prototype was made) (either the 75mm KwK 42 L/70 or the 80mm Bofors AA gun refited as an AT gun)
3:26 same vibe as the type 90 video when he say he's the fastest reload then he face hstl
Leopard 2A5 gets DM53.
Meanwhile the strv 122 (with a higher repair cost might I add) is still stuck with DM33.
True that's not fair. Btw note the Strv 122 has more armour
I mean, the hull armor is buffed up (dont they have better thermals as well)? but yea, at least give them DM43, gaijin
@@BKBCrAnK slpprj/m95 would be appreciated.
@@aleksanderf4672 slpprj m/95 is the only ammunition used by strv 122, they never use shells DM23 or 33. Only Swedish shells
it has russian front armor with german turret and all other nato advantages. its perfectly fine with dm33 at 11.0
That Heli shot was super perfect!
D53 for leopard 2a5 is accurate
T-90A 3BM60 vid next ?
cuz its overrated
Leopard2a4 needs dm33 now
No it doesn't at all
Are you that bad that this is not enough? German players man…
Leo2a4 is good with current setup why do you even need a buff
@@ImTooota just because a notorious Russian premium has a much better round at a bit lower br
Wow german mains must suck so bad
I'm really looking forward to watching Type 10 that will show up in your channel:)))
Perfect timing o.o
Refresh the channel >:D
bro the 2a5 wasn't struggling at all. I'm maining Germany rn too the 2a5 did not need this shell whatso ever.
It did according to the wehraboos. They buff the M1A2, and then they buff Germany's 2nd best MBT to be better than the M1A2. I just don't get it.
Yet german win rate is less than 40%
Especially when you have the likes of Italy/France/China/Britain stuck on the top tier struggle bus. The big three didn't need any help with their on-meta MBT's - yet gaijin threw better shells at them anyways because lmao why not.
having the same opinion here. German main as well. I mean, yea i f*ckin like that but DM43 for the 2A5 was def good enough. I mean, i even butt f*cked most tanks with DM33 back then :D
As a main german user, DM53 is not a big deal, let me elaborate, most of the top tier tanks (except Russia) has a hull which can be penetrated with 560mm or less (added that most of the time are small or medium maps), so Abrams can pen every tank, Russia, Italy, Great Britain, etc. can do it too, (Japan so far max pen is 481mm, they will get Type 10 and we hope it will get a better dart shell). So every tank can be penetrated in the hull, but T90 and the others with ERA, even the DM53 can't pen that. So if you have any doubts, go check every tank and do the protection test with a "standard 5xx mm dart shell" for example de Abrams or Challenger dart shells and you'll find why it is not a big deal.
Yes they can pen but they then dont have the energy left over to do significant damage, by giving 3 nations new upgraded rounds its the post penetration that matters.
The shot at 8:39 in the vid if you go for that shot with the L27A1 on Challenger 2, it kills the driver and doesnt one shot the tank, thats the difference.
You want dm43 to be t1 research?
I agree
But gaijin need to make 3bm46 to be a t1 research too
Miss when mbts were more "balanced." Back then 2a5s with their high mobility/extreme turret armor were held back by lower pen rounds. Yeah some tanks got more love then others, but it made each tank have a unique style. Areite had the god gun but had nothing else, t-80 and the Abrams were the well rounders. Leclerc got to be everything though, which was a bit off.
and now the leclerc is the worst only before ariete and challanger 2
Justin: puts the toilet papers inside the holy in the rear of the turret
Me: *proceeds to put my foldable bike in it
I love how the Leopard 2A5 is from 1990 and Gaijin thinks its equal to T80BVM from 2018, 28 year difference
To be fair the reason the BVM is stomping top tier is truly cause of the flock of experienced players playing it. Against the BVM you still have to aim at the same small weak spots but against any leopard you just have to hit the hull anywhere.
5:51 I love seeing kamovs to get slapped like this.
with this ammunition it is about as powerful as a 2a6
5:56 Every dead Ka-50 is satisfying to see, at least to me.
Leo 2a5 getting dm53.
Me: hehe boi.
Shooting barrels and breach is the only reliable tactic at top tier, so I wouldn't say it's dirty. At lower tiers I'll go for weak spots because no one has stabilizers or crazy panning guns, so it's more satisfying. Top tier every one seems to be crack shots who'll hit your barrel/breech immediately, and with the introduction of commander controls if you dont get both you're screwed. Plus they've nerfed post pen on the APFSDS so much that half the time I can't kill enough crew if I'm off by a little bit on my shot
I believe the reason people go for shots below the turrent and LFP, is mostly because top tier MBTs are more protected on useless areas which would not kill more than 2 crew members if fully penetrated.
now, driver port, LFP and gun mantlet will either kill 3 members in a single shot or disable enemy fire which is pretty nice.
I think APFSDS spall is ok IMO, i simulated a L/44 DM23 shot on an Abrams side and when it penetrated the "yellowed" shrapnel killed the commander who were not even close to the impact, the tip of that yellow shrapnel just hit him and he dead.
one thing that annoys me is when i'm behind a target and he's angled, i shoot the center of mass but it only disable tracks and kill like 2 crew members, might as well just shoot the ammo rack pannel in these situations.
I mean, you can explode it's fuel but sometimes it only catches fire so it's not really reliable.
Justin you gotta teach those tactics
If they can do this please update the round for the sweden strv 122 it's the only 11.0 mbt with below 500pen
It’s mainly because it has really good armor
@@Demo-nv4lo but it's just the front I mean the russian have decent armour and good pen talent give a but more
Nice to see LEO "2A5 age this well
As an strv122 main I’m pissed
It is not, the penetration is calculated with lanz-odermatt formula by Gaijin using size, speed and density of APFSDS, so DM53 will not be buffed because is correct, the 700 mm penetration thing in real life is at 60 degrees not at 0 degrees, 360 mm at 60 degrees is equivalent to 720 mm of RHA penetration, in real life is always used the penetration at 60 degrees when they say 700, 800 or 900 millimiters of penetration of an APFSDS, M829A3 which is one of the most powerful APFSDS in real life will have about 680 mm of pen at 0 degrees in War Thunder if it will be added, the CL3143 was nerfed because was fixed, it was wrong, they previously used wrong size of APFSDS to calculate the penetration, it was not a nerf for balance.
the people saying X shell has X much pen are just fanboys
Best duo Leopard & Abraham
MOOOOOOOOOOOOOM i made it into an amazing video!!!!!!! wohooo, even tho i was fully potato and justin carried that match XD, also DM 53 for the 2A5 feels so good and i'm slowly getting the RP for the Leo 2PL so i'm exited for DM 53 on that tank too
2PL didnt get DM 53
" i'm slowly getting the RP for the Leo 2PL so i'm exited for DM 53 on that tank too"
Uhm......, should we tell him?
@@quocvinhnguyen2063 It prob will get it in near future
@@quocvinhnguyen2063 XDD don't ruin my dreams,i know it doesn't get it XD
@@APPLECAKEPIE3477 lol :)
I need an updated M1A2 how to play it effectively because I don’t have the knowledge necessary to play it “effectively”
I got to tell you. You are an amazing guy that got all the time to Experiance all the differances with these vehicles. IN game? If I´m lucky and not blown away after my 2 tanks. I live for like 3 seconds. That is thanks to the flying machines. OK I play 4.0. I know. Please enlight us smaller players how to come by the extreme I got to say it. Extreme flight bias at 4.0. I play as Sweden btw. A bit of a challenge. Should I try to change nation and do something to get that 1 million Lions or what? I´ve played on and off since 2012. I have of course unlocked a lot of nations as you might imagine. SO help plz. I love you´re videos btw. Keep it up mate. No I do not spend real money on the game, I just pay my monthly bill. ;)
Review the Leclerc! A new one is coming out soon!
which sight are you using Justin?
Germany is suffering. Where is the 2a7 or dm53 for the 2pl
You know what? I really miss your outro, have you thought about bringing it back, does that song have copyright now?
i love sniping helis with apfsds
Top tier italy suffers while gaijin gives Leo 2A5 a better round
Hey Justin! Would you mind shring the link for that custom reticle? It looks dope and would actually make me take the plunge to try them after 700 hours!
I wonder if Justin would play the baby leopard
It's 2021, I beg of you please use youtube chapters/parts for the video, so that its split up into gameplay and talking about the tank in the hangar.
how are you so good at the game? in realistic battles i'd die instantly cuz of my poor eye sight and sound detection, teach me how to be good pls
Every tank is a bad boy
hey nice video, I really like your CARC camo, the leo looks 👌 compare to the default values, can you give me your values???
oh Ariete, how far have you fallen
it makes no sence that dm-43 is not a tier 1 upgrade Dm-33 should be either removed or be stock ammo.
please do Challenger 2 or Leclerc since they will get new series
Rip the leop 2 PL lol I understand why not but still 😂
I like your customized optics, do you have a link please?
Here ya go :D
live.warthunder.com/post/913542/en/
@@JustinPlaysTV Thank you very much.
Hi Justin! What’s your PC setup? I’m thinking to move to PC
Why Did they get rid of it on the 2PL?
Yo, that's a pretty nice gun sight, what mod did you use?
hello dear, what is your monitor and graphics settings?
Meanwhile the M1A1HA and M1A2 still dont have their DU armor and are missing 80% Effective thickness on the parts with composite armor kek
Hc* HA is actually heavy armour version not in game
@@marek9028 its literally the same thing dude. HC is the production version of the HA prototype/test vehicles
@@TheAngriestGamer. oh
How do you have so many golden eagles
why gaijin didnt add a new shell for swedish top MBTs?? cus got better armor??
Hey!! You answered yourself that question xD
Good 4 you, buddy. You just answered your own question. Bravo
Well its armour is getting more useless för ever single patch. Gaijin just gives everyone lolpen round that has no problem dealing with the 122s.
ZTZ 99 WHEN
i wish i would get teammates like you men i always get new players that just bought premiums and cant do shit
may italian top tier rest in peace
just got this thing and i hate it, everything fucking sucks except the cheek armor i guess
Is it already in game?
I don't understand this change. It just completely ruins the 2a6's entire gimmick. Now I basically just have two leopard 2a6s in my lineup at top tier.
What's the name of his/your sight?
As a german main i appreciate and love this vid
I did a few test runs comparing the UFP performances between the l44 and l55 and for some odd reason, i couldnt pen the kontakt 5 ufp's even from 50m in matches(granted i only played like 11 or 12 battles). Could it be a latancy issue? Although i did try it in test runs afterwardsand couldnt pen the 90A there either
Also, current ammo mechanics doesnt include the so called LOS perforation(usually penetration at 60° x2) and if you take this into consideration, the rounds have accurate estimations compared to irl. For balancing reasons, apfsds round's angled penetration isnt included in ammo penetration, instead flat pen is directly responsible of your propable perforation/penetration, and i dont mind. I only wish gj would be more honest about it.
The ERA is massively over performing right now, I've been having ERA side skirts soaking up APFSDS a lot more recently. My T80-B is currently my best performer, as the Kontact 1 ERA is just soaking up everything frontally for some reason. Even against M1A2s and L2A6s
@@Dominator2930 guess there's our balancing factor. Its not like playability has been the main agenda for gj for the past 2 years. I hold hope that in a few years, when they run out of new hype vehicles to introduce, theyll have to focus on that aspect. Either that or theyll switch to enlisted MW
JUSTIN KNOWING ABOUT DBD! WAHHH
Germany needed this apparently
On that Jungle game where we were together , perfect representation of top tier in the long term battle with randoms ***who happen to be console plebs or chinese*** that just hide in random spots not helping the rest of the team whatsoever. Sorry of those spamm pings on them were annoying but holy fk is it annoying to have these people every single game , shame you cut that part out but understandable .. lmao
If the 2PL is to stay at 10.7, it shouldn't get DM53. But if it was put back to 11.0 it could get it imo.
i dont think it was ever 11.0. but thats not a bad idea
if they give DM53 to PL then they will also have to give DM33 to 2A4 and raise his br by .3 or .7 maybe even 1.0 if anything, PL is literally 2A4 with armor package that's all, same gun and i really mean the same gun, the barrel model isn't even different from 2A4 if compared with 2A5.
we are in a situation which TAM 2C a light tank has 26mm more of penetration than 2A4 which is odd.
Look, Type 90 is pretty much a 2A4 with autoloader and maybe less NERA? 1.0 BR above it, yet it gets "JM33" which is DM33, but 2A4 which is the vehicle with it as primmary KE ammo doesn't get it.
Leo 2 maybe used DM23 on it's earlier variants, but 2A4 variant entered service when DM33 were already the primmary round... this is so boring.
DM33 for Leo 2A4, when?
DM23 is getting oooooold
@@FillyCheesteak Yeah, but the difference is that the Abrams comes with a 6.5 second base reload. Compared to a 7.8 second reload on the Strv 121 and 2A4. You have no right to complain about the Abrams shell when talking about the Leos. They are literally no worse than one another.
Nah.
Jesus every single update they buff existing vehicles and/or add new ones for Germany
Ironic with your profile picture :)
Satisfying indeed
Anyone else noticed the Toilet paper at the back of the turret?
Then what’s the point of the A6 🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿🗿
I just want gen 2 thermal on my leos 🥺😭
He made us understand what BM is, but never told us what DBD is.
maybe we will never know...
If you wondering aswell, is prob 'Dead by Daylight"
Im about to get the 2A5 and im hyped!!!!!
@⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻⸻ owh boy the stockgrind... At least the turret armor saves you a bit (except for the amount of times your breech get's shot)
Fair and balanced
Got mine today
Hey! Thats me! Twice!
Yeah no the 2a5 did not need this at all. Kinda dumb that the best US tank is equal to or worse than the German back up MBT...
Hello everyone! I have a question. How can i invite my friends to war thunder through link because yesterday i sent my own game link through what's app to my friend, from he downloaded the game but when i opened the game i didn't get 50 golden eagles! Please someone tell me how can i get that !
Why do you have toilet paper on your tank
Imagine when they add m29a4 for da Abrams
No update but see in Mod they put new Shell and make game broken with Ghost Shell.. What stupid gaijin..
Great so everyone has 600+ pen so fun
the swedes are far from 600+ pen. sadly
@@BKBCrAnK true but make up with armour
gErMaNy SuFfErS
When ariete had 625 mm it was game breaker, ridicolous
Game breaker indeed, a minor nation with such firepower, shame on Italy and Italians.
Quick to the NERF MACHINE!
(E io dico, ma andassero in mona!)
@@Sh-epard infatti! rimpiango il tempo passato a giocare con quei magnifici 625 mm di pen :(
Leopard 2A6 much better
TAM 2 DM 63 Leopard's 53. why?
TAM 2 has a 105mm Barrel, Leopard has 120mm. 105mm 63 = 120mm 53
@@iachievednothingsim. Na Reinhmetal aparece essa munição DM53, mas vai até a DM 93.
been playing quite a ot of french top tier recently, and really their lineup is POOR as hell
the shell is good but not crazy good either, the reload rate is good but 6 seconds is a bit long sometimes
armor is unconsitant
and you have no lineup except the 2 leclercs ! backup tanks are shitty ones like the AMX 40 and 32 that have no business at top tier, and unstabilized stuff I won't even go over
The only Nation I would not rank higher would be the Chinese maybe? but they have a lot of other vehicles than their MBTs so it brings fun to the mix.
A 3rd leclerc will maybe get things better but hey seems like more of the same
France literally gets two very good MBTs, the ItO, the Tiger HAD and the Jaguar A. There isn't much to complain about with France. The only thing France could use is an IFV maybe. But not like those are particularly great at top tier. Just a throw-away-spawn. So France will actually be incredibly good next patch. With three competitive MBTs and excellent CAS.
i disagree. while the armour can be a bit lacking at times, the gun and sight make up for it in a way.
i do like playing 11.0 russia and germany more but france isn’t exactly struggling at all.
Hi Justin
German buffed round, Italy nerfed round…. Why and how? The leopard 2a5 hasn’t been suffering at all
The vehicle is good but German mains are bad. Hence the state we are in
@@ImTooota yeaaa no. We German mains did not ask for this at all and German teams aren't that bad. But we do often lose when teamed up with the US
Another episode of “what can gaijin do to compensate for the worst of the WT player base - the German mains”. What’s next lmao? 2A7 at 10.0? Or is the xm1 at 9.3 still too challenging there? Perhaps 8.0 👍
wdym russia is stomping right now at top tier, and other nations have just as good tanks. The strv122 is still better, m1a2 is better, M1HC is almost as good at a lower BR, type 10 will be much better etc.
still weak. why not add DM73?
hey I'm sorry but i got to dislike, a good % of players hate the leos for a good reason. your just proving why the brs need to be higher
Cope
Wow... "the brave adventures of a spawn camper".
Stop with the boring new mbts.. review Leopard 1