I only learn 2 years of white belt of aikido, but i love how works, playing with the weight and the limitations of the articulations, and the philosophy of this art, it's a pitty how people talk shit about it comparing with MMA..
Sensei Your Aikido is GREAT!! Something diferent, refreshing...and REAL, something what ii mean should work...Many haters of Aikido today but You are proove that Aikido is alive and excelent martial art!! Beseide Tai Qi Quan one of my lovest martial art's... I wissh You all luck in Your work.
For people who can't understand due to the somewhat lacking explanation via caption. The majority of the techniques rely on disrupting the grappler's balance by pushing their upper body's center of gravity towards a certain direction which is most often in an angle or towards where the spine and legs cannot handle the sudden shift in weight distribution. This is meant to be done fast as a reflex move (bad example, but imagine Steven Seagal in his movies. That kind of speed.) The natural counter to this would be to move your legs and feet and regain balance before you are thrown. However, the arm and hand movements take in consideration being grappled, and includes moves that serve to use the human joints' limitations and structure to get the upperhand and be able to destroy the opponent's balance via forcing certain movements. An example is when he threw the sumo guy by first pushing his grabbing arm towards his own shoulder's direction. Because sumo guy is intent on grabbing his arms strongly, the sumo guy's elbow bends into a position where he is forced to bend his upperbody backwards to make space, but failure to step backwards results in toppling over.
@@The_Savage_Wombat Not really. The need for weight classes in combat sports in general is due to fight-applied science with regards to force and mass. Muscle and bone mass in this case. More mass means more force can be created by the exact same physical attack. Technique in grappling may work around weight difference in getting the upper hand and being able to throw down the opponent. But that doesn't mean you can end the fight easier. That's why there's a countdown rule for grappling if I recall correctly. If there was too great a weight discrepancy the fight would no longer be fair, and thus cannot be "sport". The more muscularly large and powerful opponent could use that mass to overturn the grapple in a quick moment and then all that technique would be for nothing at that moment. Sports are called sports because they have standards or rules to allow for a balanced fair fight/play. Not having that is what makes one an "underground fighting tournament".
@@The_Savage_Wombat : weight classes actually helps make the sport be more accessible to most people. Without weight classes, only absolute true monsters will participate. Being too elitist may make a grand spectacle in the short term, but participation will fall sharply. No people = no money being made = dead sport.
That's cool and all but it's all theory that when applied in an actual scenario where the opponent is resisting it never works The only time any of these moves were ever even attempted to be resisted was at the end point. But what is forgotten is that person has more control over there arm than you as an aikidoka does.yet he never pulled his arm or resisted the arm movements themselves. You can't control an opponents arm from far away. It's literally not possible. Even if they're smaller than you. I'm gonna assume you train in aikido. If so my question to you is this, if aikido works where are there no videos of it being used in live self defense situations or even live sparring. Aikido was more popular than bjj for a time so it's not because there's not very many people who practice it. The answer is obvious. Every martial art that IS effective you can find videos of it being successfully used in self defense, boxing, kick boxing, jiu jitsu, muy Thai wrestling. Even ones that have glaring issues but moves that are effective like karate. You can find them being successfully used for actual self defense. But aikido, nothing, jkd, nothing. Aikido is pretty but that's about it. I highly recommend watching martial arts journey if you haven't. He's a former master aikidoka who quit after actually trying to put theory into practice with aikido
In shino-nage, it's interesting how nearly everyone instinctively resists, yet with decent shoulder flexibility, slipping underneath becomes a viable option. Twenty years ago, I continually frustrated my sensei until he developed a clever counter move in response. Thanks for your great channel. 🙇🏿♂️🙇🏿♂️🙇🏿♂️
It was really great to hear Chang Edmund say that he first thought that the Aikido uke fell willingly, but then he realized that they are really being thrown! They are just going with it to avoid injury. I also loved Shirakawa Sensei say that when someone is 4 times as heavy as you, it is not efficient to use Koshinage. We got to see that Shihonage and Tenchinage work very well, even with such a difference in weight. Thank you for another amazing collaboration!
“They are going with it” to allow the technique to work. You have to hold on, attack predictably with telegram. You have to react to the throw as expected. Just like you can block, dodge and parry a strike you can defeat these attacks by not going along, by pulling the strike back or following through with another. You can move your body!! The principles are good but no different than reality..
A lot of people (myself included when I was a kid) used to see a lot of Aikido and Jujutsu throws and think they look so fake and theatrical like the people are literally throwing themselves and it must just be nonsense. Then I realized half the time they are throwing themselves or letting themselves be thrown and it's to avoid the pain of a lock or being thrown in a way that would be even more uncomfortable and debilitating than the way they're currently being thrown. Locks are very uncomfortable to say the least.
Bruce Lee said:" If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life." It's excellent that Shirakawa Shihan doesn't impose any limits on himself. He's always surprising and he's always great. Thank you sensei.
@@annadickson3097 I want these guys as my bodyguards. Being a huge muscular guy always causes someone to try to pick a fight to prove themselves. I don't have time for it. I want some normal looking guys to kick their asses.
@@The_Savage_Wombat I agree. That's how testosterone works... and men. 😉As a bodyguard, I would choose someone ordinary, whose strength cannot be judged by appearances. It's practical because such a person does not attract attention. There is no threat to be seen, so there is no temptation to test.
Nunca curti um vídeo com tanta satisfação. Nunca vi um professor tão simpático, na verdade fiquei muito impressionado com esses dois japoneses, nunca vi japoneses assim tão simpáticos e agradáveis. Meus parabéns aos dois.
I fully agree. The sumo smiling and asking for more. Whilst getting back up from off the floor . So pleased to be uke and happy to learn. Strength in body and mind with ample energy to burn. A tai chi master who is standing in awe , as he watches the sumo being thrown to the floor . Then get up politely and ask ... Please!? Once more . Now it is time for the tai chi man . To resist from falling , only if he can . Alas to find that no matter what he may try . In this matter , the laws of gravity... He cannot defy .
Aikido is the propably the strongest martial art in the world. I've met these guys and they are hella strong. With a judo black belt you can apply pressure for a while and againts a great muay thai fighter you can block a few strikes but aikidoka is like fighting a ghost. You just get sucked into some torrent and there is nothing to push againts and nothing to pull. I trained aikido over 10 years ago and got yellow belt, but I can still pull off a rokkyo on my knees in judo ne waza againts green belts and took down a mma fighter with wrestling backround using ikkyo. I train judo and karate, but aikido will have a special place in my heart and I would love to learn it for good sometime. You have to know mainstream fighting first like ueshiba to get it right
This so so much why I love Aikido. It's not just the "techniques", there is so, so much more. And aspects of that shine through in everyone's attitude in the video. Thank you 🙏 And loved Chang Edmund (the Sumo person) saying that he had thought aikido partners fell on their own accord. He was surprised!
@@metronex360 sounds like we might be looking for different things from martial arts, and their impacts on our life more broadly. There's a useful venn diagram highlighting the overlaps, and differences, between martial arts, fighting and self defence. And, with self defence there's a lot more than the point of contact that makes a difference.
@@zeebest1004 helps enormously having experienced and inexperienced ukes. That's why I liked that we swapped after a few minutes onto someone different. It helps enormously. And also a great opportunity to try out atemi with different people, if you want to take the initiative.
@@metronex360Aikido by itself is not for fighting in an mma match. It does what it's supposed to do really well and takes a lot of time and practice to master. Not every martial arts are made for real fight, and the master is not saying he would actually beat the sumo fighter in a real fight, because that's not the point
You gotta be kidding me that’s gotta be the best joke I ever heard that sty is trash if you’re so all hype about it, I challenge at least four of these masters in the octagon with me, they’re all pathetic. Only one master took the offer knocked him out in 22 seconds. I should’ve put my six-year-old kid in there and he has 83 KO in his age group for real that style is pure trash unless you are kickboxing judo regular boxer Olympic wrestler Kim po Then you get my respect, but yeah, you are a jokester. Are you that beat the shit out of him
what's amazing is how a 220 kg guy could be so agile and could take falls without damage. if you take a regular 220 obese person (non sumo wrestler, junk-food-powered), they probably won't be able to get up after being thrown.
He isn't taking much damage because he's doing good Ukemi. Ukemi, if you didn't know what it is, is a way to break your fall by hitting/slapping the ground with your hand before your body falls and hits the ground. Doing this will disperse all of the energy/momentum your body has in the air, while falling towards the ground, into the ground itself. Then it'll feel just like falling towards the ground from only an inch or two above the ground. A bunch of martial arts use this in order to stay safe while practicing with a partner :D
With a Similar experience I realised Aikido is formidable. Sensei stands in the middle of class and we all attack without warning, order, rules. We try to make him leave a square marked by two belts ! Yes I felt its power as I flew through the air ; two fingers caused a choke , a second strike winded /emptied my lungs and a simple trip ment I landed bouncing on my face half doubled over in pain and unable to break my fall in any way. I landed like a pizza upside down ! Teacher was 63 🤔 just realised that was 47yrs ago. Your lessons were not wasted 🙏.
That was amazing. Seeing how sumo handles throwing the other's center of gravity and how Aikido does it differently, and the tai-chi comparisons was great.
Its so amazing to watch.3 master of their own craft openly discuss and experience aikido technique, there is still lack of understanding towards aikido technique and its meaning, which cant be explain without personally experiencing it. Aikido is great set of tools to all in any martial art u are practicing, it helps u grasp more understanding of the dynamic of energic and force changes.
Me dirigió a ti maestro porque me pareces que eres una persona humilde con tu arte marcial y que te gusta la investigación en otras artes marciales a las cuales respetas y reconoces sus virtudes. Se que este comentario no lo van a leer tanto por su idioma como por su extension, pero llega un momento que uno se harta de oír el desprestigio del Aikido sin que la gente que lo hace sepan verdaderamente de que va la cuestión. Atención: NO me refiero a la gente que hace los comentarios de este video. Ellos están valorando y ensalzando el Aikido. Me refiero a la gente que lo desprestigia en otros canales. Yo no soy Aikidoka, soy judoka y por tanto en mi humilde opinión conozco BASE de diferentes técnicas (proyecciones, golpes por Atemi-waza, luxaciones etc). Estoy cansado de oír decir que el Aikido no sirve para situaciones reales etc. Vamos a ver: El Aikido trata de una técnica muy difícil de desarrollar y son las LUXACIONES o ARM LOOK. Un judoka puede desarrollar al 100% su técnica de proyeccion con un tatami, tambien el estrangulamiento o incluso luxación sin llegar a luxar al adversario (el famosos Juji Gatame), un karateka actualmente con medios de protección adecuados también puede desarrollar su técnica al menos en un 80% en combate deportivo y así sucesivamente, pero en Aikido ¿ Como va ir a luxar de forma total o resistirse Uke a la misma luxación. ¡¡¡POR eso NO PUEDE HABER COMBATES DE AIKIDO, POR ESO UKE TIENE QUE SEGUIR EL MOVIMIENTO DE TORII!!! sino habría brazos rotos y muñecas rotas en combate real. Tal vez el problema del Aikidoka sería que en una situación de lucha real en calle cambiase su espíritu y fuese a luxar de verdad, no lo sé, pero que se sepa que el Aikido trabaja con una de las técnicas más dañinas y mortíferas en combate real y que es precisamente por esta técnica que tiene que "acordar y suavizar en el entrenamiento". No entro ha hablar del lado "místico" de Uehisba (perdón si no lo escribo correctaamente) pero que se sepa que la técnica del Aikido es casi brutal y que la ética la pone el Aikidoka de la misma manera que en el Judo una proyección contundente en asfalto es de tetraplejia pero la ética la pone el judoka. Ganas tenía de aclarar este asuntos a los que critican tanto el Aikido. No volveré a hacer aclaraciones al respecto y pido perdón por la extensión del comentario. Salud y suerte a los practicantes del Aikido de parte de un "viejo judoka".
Love the video! But be aware when throwing a larger person over your hips, it can be broken without warning, it will just snap. Two friend where wrestling about same size, one tried to throw the other over his hips and broke his left hip (the cartilage sphere part). Have a good one!
one of best aikido presentation i saw... i self study japanese so i am glad for japanese subtitles... for example i read perfectly the sumist saying "eu" in hiragana :))))) but sadly i have born with cutted nerve in my hand, but i cant stop want to do martial arts and i like aikido philosophy as i dont like "to be competing" personaly.
If you are skeptical about aikido, just read this comment. I am a former Aikido student. Didn't reach far, but i have experienced many of these techniques. You can't resist to this technique because of few things: 1. It uses your own strength against you. How? Imagine this: you are being asked to push a wall made of plastic, as hard as you can. When you're just about to hit the wall with all the force you have, the wall disappears. What's left is your huge striking power against nothing, which will cause you to trip down and fall to the ground although nothing has touched you, basically. Same technique here - with just the right timing, no force is needed to throw even the biggest guy in the room to the ground. 2. In static situations, the first thing the defender does is to lock one part of the attacker's body. Could be the wrist, the arm, the shoulder, whatever. At this point, the attacker has 2 optipns: do what the defender leads him to do, or break that bpdy part in an instant. Obviously the instinct will be to do what the attacker leads him to do. 3. All those flips you see the attackers doing are just a result of the 2nd point i made. They cannot move their locked body part so in order to not break anything they have to match the rest of their bodies with the body part that is twisted, which means to twist their entire body in order to not break their arms. Now, to tell you if this would work at a street fight? I honestly don't know. What i do know is that it needs to work only one time throighout the entire fight and the fight is over instantly due to a broken body part of the attacker.
I am an American. And here, people attack Aikido all the time for being ineffective and not practical for real self-defense. But I have to disagree with them. I think if Aikido is properly learned and properly executed it is one of the most effective martial arts in existence; Especially for people who are physically small are not as strong as someone else. I would like to hear from my Japanese friends if they agree with this or not.
I agree with you, but as a sumo guy said, "I did not understand how aikido works until I really experienced myself. I thought they must have choreographed between a master and a student". There are still many things which we actually do have to experiences to understand with our own bodies, no matter how much we watch videos, read and listen to explanatioin.
Ppl are just ignorant. I had a discussion with a friend and explained to him that the joint lock you see in kung fu are literally the same things u see aikido karate judo silat hapkido kali etc
In Aikido it takes a lot longer to become effective in a fight than anything else you learn in Judo, Karate, Jujutsu etc. This repells those that seek a quick way to inflict damage upon an enemy. Aikido seeks peace between the people, many other martial arts seek victory over an opponent.
Not Japanese, but I learned Aikido both in my country and during few months when I was in Japan. The thing about Aikido is that it is not meant for fighting, but if learned properly and if the person practiced for a really long time, I wouldn't wanna mess with them. Most of what people see is demonstration between a tori and uke and of course, they're trained to work together in the execution of techniques, so they both know how to follow through and how to fall without being hurt, so it looks fake. However, I personally would recommend combining Aikido with some other martial art like Karate to also build the strength of your punches and kicks because with punchs and kicks (especially fast ones), Aikido is much less effective.
Aikido must be THE most beautiful of the martial art type of sports! Engineering-type minds appreciate the application of laws of physics in the most fluid-like movements of this sport. It's just beautiful and very satisfying to watch.
It is logical that the techniques and principles developed by the Japanese would be most favorable to shorter stature. Most of my life, I have been more wary of short people who can use my height and weight against me.
I have always been curious of arts that use throwing techniques although that is not an accurate description of these arts as there are many factors that are involved i.e. body positioning, angles of force etc. I am intrigued and impressed . I am a student of jooklum gee tong long pai southern praying mantis and my art seeks to borrow the opponents force to use against them. Anyways a wonderful demonstration As I am most impressed with all involved and the humility and respect 🙏 for each other and respective systems. A beautiful demonstration and representation of your art Sensi, thank you.
Not all of us are stupid. Everything shown in this video is based on control of the wrist and control of the center of gravity, those two techniques are super important in any form of hand-to-hand fighting in one way or another.
Hay vídeos en el que el boxeo sirve, el aikido no. Todos los que practican aikido dicen que sí sirve, pero todo el resto dice que no. Al final en una pelea real el boxeo ayuda, el aikido no.
Man, a bodybuilder can beat talented aikido fighter but a talented boxer can eat the body builder so aikido is worthless to boxing and don't try to be smart not everybody have a gun in his hand
If someone simply stands there you can put your foot behind their leg and push to knock them over too. Do it with live resistance. There is a reason people don't use this in the cage.
ESTOU EM SÃO PAULO - BRASIL. QUE AULA TÃO AGRADÁVEL, GRAÇAS A SUA SIMPLICIDADE E PROFISSIONALISMO POR EXCELÊNCIA! PARABÉNS! SUA APRESENTAÇÕES PRENDE ATENÇÃO DE TODOS. PARABÉNS! SUCESSO E FIQUE BEM.
Truly fantastic. Outstanding mastery and it was clear from the sumo wrestler's expressions that the experiences were authentic. Allowing each master to demonstrate their techniques is a great idea that made the video more impactful and interesting. Excellent!
I always tought that things like those seen in Baki where you can throw someone twice your size were stupid and unrealistic, i mean, i already use aikido when i grapple in BJJ or when i spar in MMA, but i still tought something like this was impossible, beautiful video, and sorry for my poorly writen english, i´m from Mexico
Aside from seagal jokes and shit,real aikido really is a thing. I've been training it in past and some things I've seen with trainer were amazing. But its just and strictly self defense art best combined with other offense arts. Talking about original japanese aikido,since today we have so much different aikido styles. Pretty much every trainer outside japan uses and gives a slightly or completely different styles.
I have had the chance to train with a lot of different martial artists. All keen to compare their techniques to Aikido. The common theme is them starting out serious and then ending up laughing because they can't believe that I can so easily throw them or get them off balance. Judo guys knew what to expect though.
When I was young in my teens I practiced Aikido and it saved my life many times. The streets of Philadelphia. State and county jails. Bar fights. Knife fights. Ppl pulling guns on you. It puts ppl down. And you can add shit to it to really mess up someone’s day. Very good video
■たくちゃんねるで【合気道vs相撲】の危険なガチバトル！▼
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■チャンさんのチャンネルのコラボ動画はこちら▼
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I only learn 2 years of white belt of aikido, but i love how works, playing with the weight and the limitations of the articulations, and the philosophy of this art, it's a pitty how people talk shit about it comparing with MMA..
Check the building for earthquake damage!
The guy only resisted after you already had him at pivot point of throw. Only certain moves of Aikido are useful in a real fight.
que legal , adoro as tecnicas de luta japonesas. e quanta educaçao dos mestres parabens ! from brasil
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Sensei Your Aikido is GREAT!! Something diferent, refreshing...and REAL, something what ii mean should work...Many haters of Aikido today but You are proove that Aikido is alive and excelent martial art!! Beseide Tai Qi Quan one of my lovest martial art's... I wissh You all luck in Your work.
「腰は強いので倍以上の体重の人を乗せることができる」というところで思い出したのですが、昔の米農家の女性が米俵を俵(300kg)担いでいる画像を見たことがあります。
正直半信半疑だったのですが、今回の動画を見て、鍛錬をコツさえつかめば可能なのかもと思わされました。
それでも歩くのはやっぱりすごいですが。
For people who can't understand due to the somewhat lacking explanation via caption. The majority of the techniques rely on disrupting the grappler's balance by pushing their upper body's center of gravity towards a certain direction which is most often in an angle or towards where the spine and legs cannot handle the sudden shift in weight distribution. This is meant to be done fast as a reflex move (bad example, but imagine Steven Seagal in his movies. That kind of speed.)
The natural counter to this would be to move your legs and feet and regain balance before you are thrown. However, the arm and hand movements take in consideration being grappled, and includes moves that serve to use the human joints' limitations and structure to get the upperhand and be able to destroy the opponent's balance via forcing certain movements. An example is when he threw the sumo guy by first pushing his grabbing arm towards his own shoulder's direction. Because sumo guy is intent on grabbing his arms strongly, the sumo guy's elbow bends into a position where he is forced to bend his upperbody backwards to make space, but failure to step backwards results in toppling over.
Sounds reasonable...with this line of thought there is no need for weight classes in MMA competition.
@@The_Savage_Wombat Not really. The need for weight classes in combat sports in general is due to fight-applied science with regards to force and mass. Muscle and bone mass in this case. More mass means more force can be created by the exact same physical attack.
Technique in grappling may work around weight difference in getting the upper hand and being able to throw down the opponent. But that doesn't mean you can end the fight easier. That's why there's a countdown rule for grappling if I recall correctly. If there was too great a weight discrepancy the fight would no longer be fair, and thus cannot be "sport".
The more muscularly large and powerful opponent could use that mass to overturn the grapple in a quick moment and then all that technique would be for nothing at that moment. Sports are called sports because they have standards or rules to allow for a balanced fair fight/play. Not having that is what makes one an "underground fighting tournament".
@@The_Savage_Wombat : weight classes actually helps make the sport be more accessible to most people. Without weight classes, only absolute true monsters will participate. Being too elitist may make a grand spectacle in the short term, but participation will fall sharply. No people = no money being made = dead sport.
@@kamikaze00007 We don't allow these rules in USA. Anyone can compete in women's sports and if you say it is not fair, you will be considered a bigot.
That's cool and all but it's all theory that when applied in an actual scenario where the opponent is resisting it never works
The only time any of these moves were ever even attempted to be resisted was at the end point. But what is forgotten is that person has more control over there arm than you as an aikidoka does.yet he never pulled his arm or resisted the arm movements themselves. You can't control an opponents arm from far away. It's literally not possible. Even if they're smaller than you. I'm gonna assume you train in aikido. If so my question to you is this, if aikido works where are there no videos of it being used in live self defense situations or even live sparring. Aikido was more popular than bjj for a time so it's not because there's not very many people who practice it.
The answer is obvious. Every martial art that IS effective you can find videos of it being successfully used in self defense, boxing, kick boxing, jiu jitsu, muy Thai wrestling. Even ones that have glaring issues but moves that are effective like karate. You can find them being successfully used for actual self defense. But aikido, nothing, jkd, nothing.
Aikido is pretty but that's about it. I highly recommend watching martial arts journey if you haven't. He's a former master aikidoka who quit after actually trying to put theory into practice with aikido
異色でもチャンの受け身がしっかりしていてさすがに相撲
お相撲さんって、受け身上手いし
関節柔軟だしで高スペックだ…！
チャンさんすごい！
In shino-nage, it's interesting how nearly everyone instinctively resists, yet with decent shoulder flexibility, slipping underneath becomes a viable option. Twenty years ago, I continually frustrated my sensei until he developed a clever counter move in response.
Thanks for your great channel. 🙇🏿♂️🙇🏿♂️🙇🏿♂️
It was really great to hear Chang Edmund say that he first thought that the Aikido uke fell willingly, but then he realized that they are really being thrown! They are just going with it to avoid injury. I also loved Shirakawa Sensei say that when someone is 4 times as heavy as you, it is not efficient to use Koshinage. We got to see that Shihonage and Tenchinage work very well, even with such a difference in weight. Thank you for another amazing collaboration!
It's simple - the greater the resistance, the more effective the reception.
@@andreynapalkow5520 but it's a different story with Koshinage, if the weight difference is substantial, as was demonstrated.
The ex sumo wrestler in this video is a very polite person... I like him...
“They are going with it” to allow the technique to work. You have to hold on, attack predictably with telegram. You have to react to the throw as expected.
Just like you can block, dodge and parry a strike you can defeat these attacks by not going along, by pulling the strike back or following through with another.
You can move your body!!
The principles are good but no different than reality..
A lot of people (myself included when I was a kid) used to see a lot of Aikido and Jujutsu throws and think they look so fake and theatrical like the people are literally throwing themselves and it must just be nonsense. Then I realized half the time they are throwing themselves or letting themselves be thrown and it's to avoid the pain of a lock or being thrown in a way that would be even more uncomfortable and debilitating than the way they're currently being thrown. Locks are very uncomfortable to say the least.
Bruce Lee said:" If you always put limits on everything you do, physical or anything else, it will spread into your work and into your life." It's excellent that Shirakawa Shihan doesn't impose any limits on himself. He's always surprising and he's always great. Thank you sensei.
Perfection is the enemy of the practical.
@@The_Savage_Wombat Fortunately, Shirakawa Shihan has both perfection and practice...
@@annadickson3097 I want these guys as my bodyguards. Being a huge muscular guy always causes someone to try to pick a fight to prove themselves. I don't have time for it. I want some normal looking guys to kick their asses.
@@The_Savage_Wombat I agree. That's how testosterone works... and men. 😉As a bodyguard, I would choose someone ordinary, whose strength cannot be judged by appearances. It's practical because such a person does not attract attention. There is no threat to be seen, so there is no temptation to test.
Why doesn’t the aikido guy compete in Sumo then? Wouldn’t he win the competition?
投げられたあとすぐ立ち上がれるチャンさんすごい
Technics of "how to fall" also in Judo
これは素晴らしい動画！合気道だけでなく最後相撲の技術を披露されたのも相撲ファンとしては嬉しい。西山先生が倒れるという貴重な姿も拝見出来ました。
ただデカく重いだけでは無い、鍛えられた力士をなんだから改めて尊敬。
白川先生初見の知らない投げ技に対しての受け身うますぎるだろ...
Nunca curti um vídeo com tanta satisfação. Nunca vi um professor tão simpático, na verdade fiquei muito impressionado com esses dois japoneses, nunca vi japoneses assim tão simpáticos e agradáveis. Meus parabéns aos dois.
I fully agree. The sumo smiling and asking for more. Whilst getting back up from off the floor . So pleased to be uke and happy to learn.
Strength in body and mind with ample energy to burn.
A tai chi master who is standing in awe , as he watches the sumo being thrown to the floor . Then get up politely and ask ... Please!? Once more .
Now it is time for the tai chi man . To resist from falling , only if he can .
Alas to find that no matter what he may try . In this matter , the laws of gravity... He cannot defy .
Aikido is the propably the strongest martial art in the world. I've met these guys and they are hella strong. With a judo black belt you can apply pressure for a while and againts a great muay thai fighter you can block a few strikes but aikidoka is like fighting a ghost. You just get sucked into some torrent and there is nothing to push againts and nothing to pull. I trained aikido over 10 years ago and got yellow belt, but I can still pull off a rokkyo on my knees in judo ne waza againts green belts and took down a mma fighter with wrestling backround using ikkyo. I train judo and karate, but aikido will have a special place in my heart and I would love to learn it for good sometime. You have to know mainstream fighting first like ueshiba to get it right
In the United States for every 20 aikido gyms maybe one is legit no one really trains that at all
投げられてるのに楽しそうなチャンさんが良い！
Very good video and I love that atmosphere of respect between all of you. Thanks for the video!
This so so much why I love Aikido.
It's not just the "techniques", there is so, so much more. And aspects of that shine through in everyone's attitude in the video.
Thank you 🙏
And loved Chang Edmund (the Sumo person) saying that he had thought aikido partners fell on their own accord. He was surprised!
No, it's pure bullshido. I wanna see this 'master' fighting some real mma fighter.
@@metronex360 sounds like we might be looking for different things from martial arts, and their impacts on our life more broadly. There's a useful venn diagram highlighting the overlaps, and differences, between martial arts, fighting and self defence. And, with self defence there's a lot more than the point of contact that makes a difference.
@@AndrewUKLondon It works as long as the uke is ok!
@@zeebest1004 helps enormously having experienced and inexperienced ukes. That's why I liked that we swapped after a few minutes onto someone different. It helps enormously.
And also a great opportunity to try out atemi with different people, if you want to take the initiative.
@@metronex360Aikido by itself is not for fighting in an mma match. It does what it's supposed to do really well and takes a lot of time and practice to master. Not every martial arts are made for real fight, and the master is not saying he would actually beat the sumo fighter in a real fight, because that's not the point
合気道が凄いって言うより白川先生が凄すぎて別次元の人間だと思います。他の5、6段の有段者でも220キロの元大相撲の力士相手にこんな簡単に投げれる人は殆どいないと思います。
You gotta be kidding me that’s gotta be the best joke I ever heard that sty is trash if you’re so all hype about it, I challenge at least four of these masters in the octagon with me, they’re all pathetic. Only one master took the offer knocked him out in 22 seconds. I should’ve put my six-year-old kid in there and he has 83 KO in his age group for real that style is pure trash unless you are kickboxing judo regular boxer Olympic wrestler Kim po Then you get my respect, but yeah, you are a jokester. Are you that beat the shit out of him
チャンさん、受け身上手いな！
流石、元力士。
I am an Indian and have been practicing Karate for 32 years but your techniques are very useful and practical.Thank you master
It as useless as your karate
Karate punches are weak as.
no you didnt, otherwise you wouldnt claim bs like "your techniques are very useful and practical", you would know better.
白川先生がお二人に合気道の技を紹介するだけでなく西山先生の太極拳ならどう対処するのかとか220キロを投げるとどんな感じかとか、そして最後の相撲の技=力士の力も体験してみたいという白川先生の探究心が半端ない
Learning and laughing at the same time. I remember learning these long ago. But it's always good to see an expert execute these.
チャンさんと西山先生が楽しそうでした。白川先生にぶん投げられる方たち皆さんなぜか楽しそうなんですよね^^
西山先生の太極拳と合気道には共通するものがあって、あ、この武術にも、と驚きました。
チャンさんは関節が柔らかくて理解が早くて運動神経がよくて受け身ができて、合気道との親和性が高そうですね。
受け身ができるのがまず凄い。白川先生の崩しが厳しくて素晴らしいです。
It was a pleasure observing such a group of noble, well mannered and knowledgeable gents. Great clip!
what's amazing is how a 220 kg guy could be so agile and could take falls without damage.
if you take a regular 220 obese person (non sumo wrestler, junk-food-powered), they probably won't be able to get up after being thrown.
Yeah haha
Something is telling me you know nothing about sumo ...
i mean, sumo wrestlers are sportsmen, with a big muscle mass
😄😄😄😆😅👍
He isn't taking much damage because he's doing good Ukemi. Ukemi, if you didn't know what it is, is a way to break your fall by hitting/slapping the ground with your hand before your body falls and hits the ground. Doing this will disperse all of the energy/momentum your body has in the air, while falling towards the ground, into the ground itself. Then it'll feel just like falling towards the ground from only an inch or two above the ground. A bunch of martial arts use this in order to stay safe while practicing with a partner :D
チャンさんが流石に安定してるから、即座に少し工夫して崩しにいく応用性の高さとかが
やっぱり次元がちがいますね。
I cant stop watching videos of you sensei.
Keep it up 🎉🎉🎉
With a Similar experience I realised Aikido is formidable.
Sensei stands in the middle of class and we all attack without warning, order, rules. We try to make him leave a square marked by two belts !
Yes I felt its power as I flew through the air ; two fingers caused a choke , a second strike winded /emptied my lungs and a simple trip ment I landed bouncing on my face half doubled over in pain and unable to break my fall in any way. I landed like a pizza upside down !
Teacher was 63 🤔 just realised that was 47yrs ago. Your lessons were not wasted 🙏.
Man you were hypnotized...
Дякуємо! Гарне і повчальне відео!
西山先生がしれっと受け身取るのかっこいいな！！！！
That was amazing. Seeing how sumo handles throwing the other's center of gravity and how Aikido does it differently, and the tai-chi comparisons was great.
体が遥かに重くても結局人体の構造は変わらないというのを改めて思い知らされました。
そして初対面だからか古コンさんみたいに関節フルコースまでは行きませんでしたね😁
Its so amazing to watch.3 master of their own craft openly discuss and experience aikido technique, there is still lack of understanding towards aikido technique and its meaning, which cant be explain without personally experiencing it. Aikido is great set of tools to all in any martial art u are practicing, it helps u grasp more understanding of the dynamic of energic and force changes.
Without a doubt you are the greatest Aikido master of our time.
Probably lol
no o sensei or saotome or ikeda
Me dirigió a ti maestro porque me pareces que eres una persona humilde con tu arte marcial y que te gusta la investigación en otras artes marciales a las cuales respetas y reconoces sus virtudes.
Se que este comentario no lo van a leer tanto por su idioma como por su extension, pero llega un momento que uno se harta de oír el desprestigio del Aikido sin que la gente que lo hace sepan verdaderamente de que va la cuestión.
Atención: NO me refiero a la gente que hace los comentarios de este video. Ellos están valorando y ensalzando el Aikido.
Me refiero a la gente que lo desprestigia en otros canales.
Yo no soy Aikidoka, soy judoka y por tanto en mi humilde opinión conozco BASE de diferentes técnicas (proyecciones, golpes por Atemi-waza, luxaciones etc).
Estoy cansado de oír decir que el Aikido no sirve para situaciones reales etc. Vamos a ver: El Aikido trata de una técnica muy difícil de desarrollar y son las LUXACIONES o ARM LOOK.
Un judoka puede desarrollar al 100% su técnica de proyeccion con un tatami, tambien el estrangulamiento o incluso luxación sin llegar a luxar al adversario (el famosos Juji Gatame), un karateka actualmente con medios de protección adecuados también puede desarrollar su técnica al menos en un 80% en combate deportivo y así sucesivamente, pero en Aikido ¿ Como va ir a luxar de forma total o resistirse Uke a la misma luxación. ¡¡¡POR eso NO PUEDE HABER COMBATES DE AIKIDO, POR ESO UKE TIENE QUE SEGUIR EL MOVIMIENTO DE TORII!!! sino habría brazos rotos y muñecas rotas en combate real. Tal vez el problema del Aikidoka sería que en una situación de lucha real en calle cambiase su espíritu y fuese a luxar de verdad, no lo sé, pero que se sepa que el Aikido trabaja con una de las técnicas más dañinas y mortíferas en combate real y que es precisamente por esta técnica que tiene que "acordar y suavizar en el entrenamiento". No entro ha hablar del lado "místico" de Uehisba (perdón si no lo escribo correctaamente) pero que se sepa que la técnica del Aikido es casi brutal y que la ética la pone el Aikidoka de la misma manera que en el Judo una proyección contundente en asfalto es de tetraplejia pero la ética la pone el judoka. Ganas tenía de aclarar este asuntos a los que critican tanto el Aikido.
No volveré a hacer aclaraciones al respecto y pido perdón por la extensión del comentario.
Salud y suerte a los practicantes del Aikido de parte de un "viejo judoka".
白川先生、最後に相撲の強さを身を持って見せてるのが、優しいなぁ…😆👍
白川先生の、
「あともう一個あって～」
「それと似てる技で～」
はいつも笑ってしまうｗ
白川先生技すご...張り手受けてうれしそうw
The humility shown by both masters is as great as their martial skills.
Agreed. All 3 masters, in fact.
Love the video!
But be aware when throwing a larger person over your hips, it can be broken without warning, it will just snap.
Two friend where wrestling about same size, one tried to throw the other over his hips and broke his left hip (the cartilage sphere part).
Have a good one!
世界一カッコイイ合気道家！
最高です。
チャンさんの受け身が素晴らしい😊
チャンさんもヤバいってすぐ受け身にいけるの凄いですね
異色コラボだと、いつか合気道と引っ越しプロのコラボを見てみたい。
重いもの持ったり動かしたりする技術で共通するところあるか
甲野先生がお好きそうなネタですね
Learning through differences, nobody like you senseiss what a good example of martial arts
２２０キロを投げる白川先生の呼吸は平常で、投げられるチャンさんの方が呼吸を乱しているのを見ると
合気道ってすごいなと改めて思い知らされますね
one of best aikido presentation i saw... i self study japanese so i am glad for japanese subtitles... for example i read perfectly the sumist saying "eu" in hiragana :))))) but sadly i have born with cutted nerve in my hand, but i cant stop want to do martial arts and i like aikido philosophy as i dont like "to be competing" personaly.
天地投げの時4:04 かかった時点で倒れる前に白川先生笑っていらっしゃるし😆
色んなことにチャレンジされる先生は合気道会のスターですね☆
If you are skeptical about aikido, just read this comment.
I am a former Aikido student. Didn't reach far, but i have experienced many of these techniques.
You can't resist to this technique because of few things:
1. It uses your own strength against you. How? Imagine this: you are being asked to push a wall made of plastic, as hard as you can. When you're just about to hit the wall with all the force you have, the wall disappears. What's left is your huge striking power against nothing, which will cause you to trip down and fall to the ground although nothing has touched you, basically. Same technique here - with just the right timing, no force is needed to throw even the biggest guy in the room to the ground.
2. In static situations, the first thing the defender does is to lock one part of the attacker's body. Could be the wrist, the arm, the shoulder, whatever. At this point, the attacker has 2 optipns: do what the defender leads him to do, or break that bpdy part in an instant. Obviously the instinct will be to do what the attacker leads him to do.
3. All those flips you see the attackers doing are just a result of the 2nd point i made. They cannot move their locked body part so in order to not break anything they have to match the rest of their bodies with the body part that is twisted, which means to twist their entire body in order to not break their arms.
Now, to tell you if this would work at a street fight? I honestly don't know. What i do know is that it needs to work only one time throighout the entire fight and the fight is over instantly due to a broken body part of the attacker.
I am an American. And here, people attack Aikido all the time for being ineffective and not practical for real self-defense. But I have to disagree with them. I think if Aikido is properly learned and properly executed it is one of the most effective martial arts in existence; Especially for people who are physically small are not as strong as someone else. I would like to hear from my Japanese friends if they agree with this or not.
I agree ☝️
I agree with you, but as a sumo guy said, "I did not understand how aikido works until I really experienced myself. I thought they must have choreographed between a master and a student". There are still many things which we actually do have to experiences to understand with our own bodies, no matter how much we watch videos, read and listen to explanatioin.
Ppl are just ignorant. I had a discussion with a friend and explained to him that the joint lock you see in kung fu are literally the same things u see aikido karate judo silat hapkido kali etc
In Aikido it takes a lot longer to become effective in a fight than anything else you learn in Judo, Karate, Jujutsu etc. This repells those that seek a quick way to inflict damage upon an enemy. Aikido seeks peace between the people, many other martial arts seek victory over an opponent.
Not Japanese, but I learned Aikido both in my country and during few months when I was in Japan. The thing about Aikido is that it is not meant for fighting, but if learned properly and if the person practiced for a really long time, I wouldn't wanna mess with them. Most of what people see is demonstration between a tori and uke and of course, they're trained to work together in the execution of techniques, so they both know how to follow through and how to fall without being hurt, so it looks fake. However, I personally would recommend combining Aikido with some other martial art like Karate to also build the strength of your punches and kicks because with punchs and kicks (especially fast ones), Aikido is much less effective.
投げられてるにも関わらず白川先生の受け身が美しいのが心憎いですね😄
These are real sports ambassadors. what friendly people, so nice to watch.
Aikido must be THE most beautiful of the martial art type of sports! Engineering-type minds appreciate the application of laws of physics in the most fluid-like movements of this sport. It's just beautiful and very satisfying to watch.
Always impressive technique ! Have good day from France !
It is logical that the techniques and principles developed by the Japanese would be most favorable to shorter stature. Most of my life, I have been more wary of short people who can use my height and weight against me.
Yeah, that used to get me every time in judo.
Impressive, well done👏💪
200kgが受け身取ってる！
流石は元プロ力士、チャン君の身体能力も凄いですね！
Люблю азиатских комедиантов, дуэт толстый и тонкий и все через поддавки и борьбу с мешком.
逆に掬い投げで投げていただく際の、きれーいな投げられ方。合気道とはすごいものなのだと、認識しました。
Excellent chapter. greetings from Mexico
白川先生の身のこなしが凄まじきこと
合気道という畑違いな分野でもちゃんと受け身がとれるチャンさんも凄い
個人的にはぜひ浅山一伝流 関先生とコラボしていただきたいですねぇ
合気道と 浅山一伝流の体術や 鉄扇術など 合気の技と通ずるところがありそうです
合気道はソーシャル ネットワーク上で非常に信用されていないため、合気道が自衛の練習に非常に効果的であることを理解するために、より多くの人々がデモンストレーションをどのように知っている必要があります。 素晴らしいビデオ、どうもありがとうございました!
100% I respect Aikido Sensei, and I love Aikido Techniques you shared,
Very love to see people respect each other like this..
I have always been curious of arts that use throwing techniques although that is not an accurate description of these arts as there are many factors that are involved i.e. body positioning, angles of force etc. I am intrigued and impressed . I am a student of jooklum gee tong long pai southern praying mantis and my art seeks to borrow the opponents force to use against them. Anyways a wonderful demonstration As I am most impressed with all involved and the humility and respect 🙏 for each other and respective systems. A beautiful demonstration and representation of your art Sensi, thank you.
Wonderful demonstration! Thank you!
「合気道ではボクシング選手に勝てないので実践的ではなく無価値だ」と息巻いている外人たちは「盾では槍に勝てないので実践的ではなく無価値だ」「ボクシングでは銃に勝てないので実践的ではなく無価値だ」とでも言うのだろうか？
@@黒木誠-h9s大丈夫？義務教育受けた？
Not all of us are stupid. Everything shown in this video is based on control of the wrist and control of the center of gravity, those two techniques are super important in any form of hand-to-hand fighting in one way or another.
Hay vídeos en el que el boxeo sirve, el aikido no. Todos los que practican aikido dicen que sí sirve, pero todo el resto dice que no.
Al final en una pelea real el boxeo ayuda, el aikido no.
Man, a bodybuilder can beat talented aikido fighter but a talented boxer can eat the body builder so aikido is worthless to boxing and don't try to be smart not everybody have a gun in his hand
Both Judo and Aikido ARE beautiful arts!! I used to practice Aikido! So scientific!
220㎏を持ち上げる白川先生の大幹の強さと運動神経があるから出来る数々の達人技。
白川先生以外で出来ません。
凄すぎます。
If someone simply stands there you can put your foot behind their leg and push to knock them over too. Do it with live resistance. There is a reason people don't use this in the cage.
Très impressionnant ! Ça impose le respect !
220㌔でこんだけ投げられてすぐ起き上がれるチャンさんがスゲーっす
西山先生を落とした時の音の大きさにびっくり
ダメージ全部地面に流してそう
Greetings from an ex-Aikidoka and Kendoka from Kodokan school, Alessandria, Italy 🇮🇹 😊
ESTOU EM SÃO PAULO - BRASIL. QUE AULA TÃO AGRADÁVEL, GRAÇAS A SUA SIMPLICIDADE E PROFISSIONALISMO POR EXCELÊNCIA! PARABÉNS! SUA APRESENTAÇÕES PRENDE ATENÇÃO DE TODOS. PARABÉNS! SUCESSO E FIQUE BEM.
My deep respect to sensei of Aikido for sharing those move so nice.thanks you
Aikido is a way of going through cracks in our balance, as my sensei used to say: “it’s like judo, fighting against empty clothes”
I like that! .... but it's actually a scary concept.
Truly fantastic. Outstanding mastery and it was clear from the sumo wrestler's expressions that the experiences were authentic. Allowing each master to demonstrate their techniques is a great idea that made the video more impactful and interesting. Excellent!
That koshinage was the final straw that broke the camel’s back.
I always tought that things like those seen in Baki where you can throw someone twice your size were stupid and unrealistic, i mean, i already use aikido when i grapple in BJJ or when i spar in MMA, but i still tought something like this was impossible, beautiful video, and sorry for my poorly writen english, i´m from Mexico
Excellent sensei! Very impressive indeed! Thank you for the videos!
自分から逃げないと折れるって感じか。凄え面白い
You guys are having so much fun in this video!
Just looking at how the Sumo man takes the fall, I think Sumo wrestlers do learn how to fall down safely. Great respects!
Have you seen how high the dohyo (sumo ring) is from the floor?
Beautiful technique
As Mike Tyson said "nobody in a street fight is going to grab you like that."
And...
"everybody has a plan until they get punched"
Aikido is the plan!
Street fight is the reality!
Fuck you UA-cam
Great video! Thank you very much for sharing, all of you!
There is truth in Aikido !
Very positive and very interesting demonstration! Thanks!
Aside from seagal jokes and shit,real aikido really is a thing. I've been training it in past and some things I've seen with trainer were amazing. But its just and strictly self defense art best combined with other offense arts. Talking about original japanese aikido,since today we have so much different aikido styles. Pretty much every trainer outside japan uses and gives a slightly or completely different styles.
Wow so cool!
Thank you for amazing video. Such a good vibes and respect for each other.
Peace
練習台として福地道場の花原さんを連れ帰ろうとしていたのを思い出しますね😊
شكرا لهذه الفيديو لقد تعلمت الكثير ....❤
I have had the chance to train with a lot of different martial artists. All keen to compare their techniques to Aikido. The common theme is them starting out serious and then ending up laughing because they can't believe that I can so easily throw them or get them off balance. Judo guys knew what to expect though.
I took Judo and never fully understood the spectrum of balance until Aikido.
@@geraldremington2262 you probably weren't taught Judo that well tho. I'm glad you found the way
When I was young in my teens I practiced Aikido and it saved my life many times. The streets of Philadelphia. State and county jails. Bar fights. Knife fights. Ppl pulling guns on you. It puts ppl down. And you can add shit to it to really mess up someone’s day. Very good video
チャンさんが素直なコメントで、好感度爆上がり(^o^)
さすがです。
Fascinating, you are all so skilled and knowledgeable.
素直に投げられるイコール受け身がとれるは、経験､力がある方です｡素人が受ければ関節が壊れます